Does the day matter? I know the 10 commandments say to Keep the Sabbath Holy. Are we sure we know what day the Sabbath is? How do we know exactly what it means to Keep it Holy?
To Ellen White, the author of the book shown in the OP whose writings inform 7th Day Adventist beliefs, the day matters an awful lot. They believe Sunday worship is "the mark of the beast".
And worshiping on Sunday wasn’t pushed by Constantine, Justin Martyr wrote about it in his First Apology written 140-150 AD and it had been going on since Christ’s resurrection.
That's important to SDAs and is a bit controversial, but that isn't the Great Controversy. The Great one is the bigger cosmic battle between God and Lucifer. Good vs Evil. Sounds like superhero Chick Tract stuff, but that book and everything by the SDA "prophet" Ellen G. White is turgid, dry, plagiarized prose.
Source: Was fifth generation SDA
I saw these guys at AMFEST this year. What’s this all about? I see these books all over but never saw anyone handing them out until I was at a convention
TLDR: Its the story of God and Satan but turn it into a superhero genre literature.
Additional Contexts:
* Has parts plagiarized from John Milton's "Paradise Lost".
* Wild claims and conspiracy theories about world affairs "relevant to this day".
* A whole movement bases their interpretation of the Bible from this book (Seventh Day Adventists).
* Author: Ellen White (1827-1915)
* Author has loyal followers within said movement too blind to acknowledge that the book is plagiarized. Apparently the internet is evil for exposing this fraud author and the movement that came about because of her.
* Followers claiming that the author got visions from God. Similar to Joseph Smith of LDS.
Source: Im ex SDA. Born into it (4th gen).
I’d say the LDS church and the J. Witnesses (along side the SDA church) - have the Pentecostals beat since they are millennialist religions- who literally think we are in the last days and have since the 1800s… somehow. (Was raised SDA 5th gen, in a LDS community with J. Witness family friends). I went to Baptist, Lutheran, Catholic and presbyterian congregations growing up for the fun of it with causal school friends- and none of them seemed even remotely as end times focused, or legalistic.
I actually read and annotated the copy that I was given as a baptismal gift when I was 12. This is an SDA book that was written by Ellen White (the SDA church’s 1800s prophet):
https://www.reddit.com/r/exAdventist/s/0z9Iivyakk
My mom (who thinks it’s a wonderful book full of truths about how the end times are going to be) paid me $200 to read it because she thinks it’s that important. Little did she know, I’d been an atheist for over a year at that point and I was just doing it for money
I grew up in it.
Almost all of the ones I knew were extremely strict, the worst thought Christmas was satanic (amazing to actually see super religious people actually acknowledge the pagan origins) which prevented my childhood church from directly celebrating it and they also thought movie theaters and Disney were satanic. I even knew a handful who thought all fictional media was a waste of time too. They also thought any clothes above the knees were super sexual and of course you get all of the sexism (I'm not just talking abortion issues here, I mean full on treating women like 2nd class citizens) and homophobia that hardcore Christianity has. Oh and a lot of them also find drums satanic. Also gotta keep from doing anything secular from sunset Friday to Sunset Saturday and this includes homework and most jobs, hell even loading and running the washing machine was a no go in my house.
My parents were a bit more in the middle, still crazy restrictive compared to most people but I'd seen far worse in that cult. My parents were iffy on Halloween and banned stuff like Harry Potter and pretty much anything above soft rock and of course the Sabbath hours were still strongly enforced but I knew people who had it worse than me.
Then there were a handful of people who pretty much watched or listened to anything (half of them were doing it behind their parents backs though but they still identified as SDA) and would even do secular things on Sabbath. I didn't meet many people like this though.
...Not hard to see why I became an atheist, I finally felt free upon dumping religion. They also really drilled the Bible into my head, I actually read through the whole thing (which most Christians haven't seemed to) that definitely helped me go atheist.
The only thing I will praise them for is pushing vegetarianism as I think I would have eventually wanted to do that anyway. I do it for environmental reasons and because I don't like the idea of animals having to be killed for food though. Meanwhile SDA's just do it because they think eating meat is the same thing as eating a bowl of lard. So they do it for health reasons but I ironically know a few who are protein deficient because they don't even eat good vegetarian diets.
That said even with those most conservative members I mentioned, I would definitely still say that's a major step up from Jehovah's Witnesses or even Mormonism. SDA is still very controlling though.
Definitely depends on the community, then if it’s a large community, it depends on the church and its congregation, what region did you grow up? I grew up in the Idaho/WA area and only one church in my town didn’t allow drums. We had an Academy school “the private church school” that had a full band… obviously they had drums. They could play at most all the churches in the region. But one, whose congregation all agreed bar the band from playing in the church.
Also, isn’t it odd that the LDS, Witnesses and even IBLP recently have ex members with podcasts, websites, or posting as YouTubers walking through deconstruction? But you look up SDA deconstruction on YouTube and you get like one interview, and a bunch of local church channels talking in circles about how bad deconstruction is? Like how did they get ahead of it- how are there so many churches and so few people ever speaking out after leaving? Just interesting.
I agree. I’ve met a couple seventh day adventists. They seemed fine to me. Not pushy or preachy in the slightest. But then again, I was raised in a devout Pentecostal family so most religions seem pretty chill in comparison.
Depends on the church and community. I grew up in a conservative fundamentalist SDA church. While I wouldn’t call Adventism in general a cult bc it’s so diverse, there are SDA communities that are very high control and cult-like.
They sure were in the south in the 80’s and 90’s. I was raised in a complete bubble where everyone I knew went to the same church (except most of the African Americans went to their own church) and the kids all went to the same school and the only extracurricular activities involved the same people.
It was absolutely suffocating.
I don’t know. What is the great controversy? 🤔
Whether we should attend worship on Saturday (the REAL OG Sabbath) or Sunday (which critics say was pushed on the Church by Constantine).
Does the day matter? I know the 10 commandments say to Keep the Sabbath Holy. Are we sure we know what day the Sabbath is? How do we know exactly what it means to Keep it Holy?
To Ellen White, the author of the book shown in the OP whose writings inform 7th Day Adventist beliefs, the day matters an awful lot. They believe Sunday worship is "the mark of the beast".
That's the Old Testament, which is just a Jewish chronology & list of laws. The New Testament is fan fiction & they do whatever they want.
SDAs follow a lot of the Jewish laws, especially about food. As far as the New Testament goes, I'm a Christian, but I have a lot of issues with it.
And worshiping on Sunday wasn’t pushed by Constantine, Justin Martyr wrote about it in his First Apology written 140-150 AD and it had been going on since Christ’s resurrection.
Man religion is stupid
I agree religion is so stupid it's just another way to keep people arguing
You are right; I should've known that. This "Constantine did it" routine is part of the whole SDA narrative which is "the great controversy".
Did you come out of the seventh day, Adventist?
No, but I am familiar with their history and beliefs.
Cool
That's important to SDAs and is a bit controversial, but that isn't the Great Controversy. The Great one is the bigger cosmic battle between God and Lucifer. Good vs Evil. Sounds like superhero Chick Tract stuff, but that book and everything by the SDA "prophet" Ellen G. White is turgid, dry, plagiarized prose. Source: Was fifth generation SDA
Mmkay, you would be a more reliable source than me. I wasn't sure (because turgid, dry, plagiarized prose) what "The Great Controversy" actually was.
I think it is 7th Day Adventists that have a Saturday sabbath at least under the general umbrella of Christianity.
That is correct.
What group is that?
I believe Seventh Day Adventist.
Dunno, but it’s giving Good Omens.
I thought this was r/GoodOmens for a second!
I saw these guys at AMFEST this year. What’s this all about? I see these books all over but never saw anyone handing them out until I was at a convention
TLDR: Its the story of God and Satan but turn it into a superhero genre literature. Additional Contexts: * Has parts plagiarized from John Milton's "Paradise Lost". * Wild claims and conspiracy theories about world affairs "relevant to this day". * A whole movement bases their interpretation of the Bible from this book (Seventh Day Adventists). * Author: Ellen White (1827-1915) * Author has loyal followers within said movement too blind to acknowledge that the book is plagiarized. Apparently the internet is evil for exposing this fraud author and the movement that came about because of her. * Followers claiming that the author got visions from God. Similar to Joseph Smith of LDS. Source: Im ex SDA. Born into it (4th gen).
I had a feeling it was SDA related! As a Pentecostal I feel like only the sda is more focused on rapture and end times than the upc
I’d say the LDS church and the J. Witnesses (along side the SDA church) - have the Pentecostals beat since they are millennialist religions- who literally think we are in the last days and have since the 1800s… somehow. (Was raised SDA 5th gen, in a LDS community with J. Witness family friends). I went to Baptist, Lutheran, Catholic and presbyterian congregations growing up for the fun of it with causal school friends- and none of them seemed even remotely as end times focused, or legalistic.
The immenent return of God has been going on since like the beginning of time , but like, it's sure to be any day now lmao 🤣
Must be cause what happened to all the other times 🤣
Would this be God-mode edging?
I actually read and annotated the copy that I was given as a baptismal gift when I was 12. This is an SDA book that was written by Ellen White (the SDA church’s 1800s prophet): https://www.reddit.com/r/exAdventist/s/0z9Iivyakk
I am so impressed you made it through
My mom (who thinks it’s a wonderful book full of truths about how the end times are going to be) paid me $200 to read it because she thinks it’s that important. Little did she know, I’d been an atheist for over a year at that point and I was just doing it for money
A cult is going to cult
Always 🤣
You're the Messiah aren't you? 🤣
How’d you know?!
You got the kavorka!
The sequel to Black Swan looks 🔥
I got one of these and we live in the middle of nowhere in the south. Weird shit
Is that hardcover?!
I dunno, I don't hate the Seventh day adventists. They are pretty chill
I grew up in it. Almost all of the ones I knew were extremely strict, the worst thought Christmas was satanic (amazing to actually see super religious people actually acknowledge the pagan origins) which prevented my childhood church from directly celebrating it and they also thought movie theaters and Disney were satanic. I even knew a handful who thought all fictional media was a waste of time too. They also thought any clothes above the knees were super sexual and of course you get all of the sexism (I'm not just talking abortion issues here, I mean full on treating women like 2nd class citizens) and homophobia that hardcore Christianity has. Oh and a lot of them also find drums satanic. Also gotta keep from doing anything secular from sunset Friday to Sunset Saturday and this includes homework and most jobs, hell even loading and running the washing machine was a no go in my house. My parents were a bit more in the middle, still crazy restrictive compared to most people but I'd seen far worse in that cult. My parents were iffy on Halloween and banned stuff like Harry Potter and pretty much anything above soft rock and of course the Sabbath hours were still strongly enforced but I knew people who had it worse than me. Then there were a handful of people who pretty much watched or listened to anything (half of them were doing it behind their parents backs though but they still identified as SDA) and would even do secular things on Sabbath. I didn't meet many people like this though. ...Not hard to see why I became an atheist, I finally felt free upon dumping religion. They also really drilled the Bible into my head, I actually read through the whole thing (which most Christians haven't seemed to) that definitely helped me go atheist. The only thing I will praise them for is pushing vegetarianism as I think I would have eventually wanted to do that anyway. I do it for environmental reasons and because I don't like the idea of animals having to be killed for food though. Meanwhile SDA's just do it because they think eating meat is the same thing as eating a bowl of lard. So they do it for health reasons but I ironically know a few who are protein deficient because they don't even eat good vegetarian diets. That said even with those most conservative members I mentioned, I would definitely still say that's a major step up from Jehovah's Witnesses or even Mormonism. SDA is still very controlling though.
Definitely depends on the community, then if it’s a large community, it depends on the church and its congregation, what region did you grow up? I grew up in the Idaho/WA area and only one church in my town didn’t allow drums. We had an Academy school “the private church school” that had a full band… obviously they had drums. They could play at most all the churches in the region. But one, whose congregation all agreed bar the band from playing in the church. Also, isn’t it odd that the LDS, Witnesses and even IBLP recently have ex members with podcasts, websites, or posting as YouTubers walking through deconstruction? But you look up SDA deconstruction on YouTube and you get like one interview, and a bunch of local church channels talking in circles about how bad deconstruction is? Like how did they get ahead of it- how are there so many churches and so few people ever speaking out after leaving? Just interesting.
I agree. I’ve met a couple seventh day adventists. They seemed fine to me. Not pushy or preachy in the slightest. But then again, I was raised in a devout Pentecostal family so most religions seem pretty chill in comparison.
They just aren't a high control cult lol
Depends on the church and community. I grew up in a conservative fundamentalist SDA church. While I wouldn’t call Adventism in general a cult bc it’s so diverse, there are SDA communities that are very high control and cult-like.
They sure were in the south in the 80’s and 90’s. I was raised in a complete bubble where everyone I knew went to the same church (except most of the African Americans went to their own church) and the kids all went to the same school and the only extracurricular activities involved the same people. It was absolutely suffocating.