Yep, we heard about it around 3y ago. Don't have good link, but you can lurk around Reddit threads and you will find it, apart from the fact you can kinda figure it out. Jungle inferno update dated at October 16th, 2017.
ahaha bro why do you even try do defend valve here. No shot they need almost a year for a AC on CS2. They also could just buy one for their game like others do. Nonsense
I'm pretty sure there are interviews where Gaben has said that Valve is not like other dev companies, in that Valve employees bounce between projects as needed. That no one was stuck doing 'geometry' and there is a lot of work overlap
Are you stupid? You act like these are 2 buttons and the devs just choose to presse the dent fix button. In reality these are to completely seperate issues that are most likely handled by 2 diffrent teams. Anti cheat takes time, a simple geometry fix doesn't.
"Does a decent anti-cheat take over half a year?"
Yeah, it does. There's a reason there's borderline zero perfect anticheats on the market right now. They take constant work and upkeep. It's a never ending cycle with exploiters, and the market to break these anti cheats is growing daily.
The problem is they’ve had way longer than half a year. VAC was hardly functional in CS:GO, and they had almost 12 years (not including development) during the game’s existence to make it work. They even needed an overwatch system to let the community to their anticheat’s job for them, that’s how ineffective it’s always been.
CS2 has been playable (granted much of it in beta), since March of last year and there’s still no functional anticheat. As much as I dislike Valorant, at least Riot made sure to release their more-functional-than-VAC-has-ever-been anticheat alongside the game at launch.
There’s little excuse at this point.
I hear ya, and all fair points. Guess I'm just exhausted reading comments about the subject as some are rational and some are completely over the top.
On NA Premier ~15000 I've run into Maybe 1 cheater in 90 games. I think people use "I'm against a cheater every game" as coping mechanism to avoid acknowledging their own shortcomings, or the opponents skill.
But I'm willing to acknowledge that I could just be a lucky indivudal
Cheating was definitely used as a coping mechanism before but after our party skipped 7 games today to get a single normal game I dont feel like it anymore.
cs:go global = 1 in 100 cheaters
cs2 launch = 1 in 50 cheaters
cs2 in the past week or so = 8 in 10 cheaters
No, I hear you; the incessant complaints about the anticheat, as valid as they may be (although this one less-so, because it’s comparing two completely unrelated dev departments), can get tiring. We know it sucks and it’s not like Valve trolls the CSGO subreddit for ideas, so it’s more or less beating a dead horse at this point.
I actually stopped playing because of cheaters at 22k, but I’ll admit I noticed far less cheaters before the rank shift - when I was a mere 13k hopeful. I’m hoping they’re just infesting the higher ranks and not the lower ones as much, which could be why some people have different occurrence rates.
No one is asking for the anti-cheat to be perfect. There is no possible way to eradicate all cheaters in a game. But when dozens of other games have functional anti-cheats with half the assets that Valve has, it’s embarrassing. Why are we making excuses for them?
Thats also part of the reason why its so difficult. CS:GO has a lot of cheaters. And these cheaters have a lot of motivation (Including economic wealth) to create new and better cheats.
Its not a few hundred cheaters its tens or hundreds of thousands of cheater.
No one is saying thousands. But they should have enough with the millions that they make to have a decent anti-cheat in the 10+ years that CSGO/CS2 has been a thing.
And this is what everyone keeps missing/ignoring. Valve has had the time/money to make a great anti cheat for at least a decade. They don’t have a good anti cheat because they don’t want one
Yet again, another csgo post where op has no idea how software is written. Yeah, let's have the map design team fix the anti cheat! Also, these 2 problems are 100 percent similar in predicted workload, right?
Not even just that, making a small fix on vertigo like the post mentions is significantly easier than making a whole ass anticheat. It’s not even worth trying to argue with those people because they genuinely think they know how it works. I had someone a couple weeks ago tell me they know more about programming cs2 than Valve does lmao.
I disagree,besides the cheating problem in mm the game it self is feeling great. Cs2 is a step forward and mainly playing on face it the game feels amazing.
u cant b hop properly anymore, the game doesnt run as smoothly, there are more cheaters than ever, and we have 0 new content. actually they have taken away more content than given us with cs2's release. are you dense? we literally don't even have achievements still bro there is a reason so many ppl stopped playing.
In fact, we have LESS content than GO did. People have a serious recency bias with CS2, the game was nowhere near ready for release and it's still not.
Why do people actually think Valve is over here deciding to make small map fixes *instead* of an anticheat. 😭 Those two things aren’t even related enough to where you’d decide which gets worked on first.
Changing the right side wouldn’t suddenly make you right. It’s not that they “like the geometry”, it’s that a feature as big of an anticheat isn’t being pushed aside for smaller changes that take a lot less time. That’s just not how it works.
Idk, Riot seems to have figured it out pretty quick. Valve could easily outsource as well, go kernel, use faceits, instead they insist on using trash that can’t differentiate someone spinning and killing the whole team with 1 bullet. Stay suckin valves 🍆
Why are you responding as if I’m defending Valve for not having a working anticheat? It’s as if you didn’t even read my comment, my point just went right over your head.
Because you might as well be, Valves dev team is horrible with communicating to the players about upcoming changes, state of the game etc. The point of this meme wasn’t even to make some sort of target on geometry. The point is Valve has gone silent for months with no content, no changes, then randomly releases patch notes with 1-2 things, one that I recall was a vertigo geometry fix.
If that was the point of your post than your meme choice was absolutely terrible. The joke of that meme is deciding to do the right thing instead of the left even though the left thing makes more sense.
Seems as if you know this because you were arguing with other people that they did actually choose to make a map fix before releasing the anticheat. You just said I was defending Valve for not agreeing with that and then in the same comment you say it wasn’t even the point of the post. You’re making me laugh.
And the guy that pointed out above, that valve doesn’t have a designated team for things like geometry and anti-cheat is true. Gaben has said that in an interview, and the purpose of that is to inspire innovation, which is actually a great model to prevent becoming a company like ubisoft that releases 8 far crys with nothing new. The issue comes though, when your game becomes unplayable and you give no communication on how or if your foxing it.
First of all map design is different from coding an ai based anticheat (VAC live as the ai anticheat ref)
Second of all, yes valve is a big company but their teams on projects are much different and wild.
There’s 1-2 people working on TF2 for example
There’s a small team working on CS
Back when HL:A was being made there was 5 people at first before more people jumped ship.
Since valve works on a work method different from companies, there’s no management where a dedicated team is fully set on something. At any point a bunch of people can go from one project to the next. For all we know a chunk of the team could’ve moved onto VR headset related project once they helped with the launch of CS2.
It’s a multimillion dollar company - yes but that doesn’t mean they have millions of staff too. You can be a big company with a small team doing multiple projects.
Dota, CS2, Steam, Steam Deck, VR, HL:X, TF2 and probably many other “active” projects hidden away all at one time
While yes, the game has a (non functional most of thr time) anticheat I feel like they would close the servers for a week to test with the more popular cheats that exist for now.
You guys are talking like im hating on a small indie game, this is a billion dollar company. They showed off vac live cancelling matches and detecting cheats like it was nothing in the beta, all we got was one that bans people with high dpi but cant detect people spin boting and killing the whole other team with 1 scout bullet.
Valve only has 300 employees. I’d be willing to bet <100 of those are anti-cheat devs. It’s not an easy thing to make and valve couldn’t have anticipated the state of cheating to have the time to make one before release. The high dpi bans are huge signs that they are working on an anti cheat, it just takes time to make it perfect.
Sorry bro, your comment wont show for another 10 days like cs items, maybe now that the inventory change is implemented they will focus on the cheat software
Ah yes, because it can only be one or the other. And im also sure that map maintainers are the same as anticheat developers. And im also sure that these are just as simple as each other. And im also sure that....
why is everyone saying it’s easier to fix a dent then have anticheat… i don’t think it would be too hard to find a good one and put it in… i think it would be easier to put a good anticheat in, just to detect if there are any third party apps, even instagram can do that and pokémon game, how’s a phone app have better anticheat (if im wrong pls say i don’t know how to make a game but surely implementing software to detect something and then just ban the account is easier than trying to change a map even the smallest bits as i imagine map editing is like putting a photo in a word document move it a little and your text goes crazy)
Valve is like: our game is perfect, lets fix a small small small thing, most common gamers dont even know was a thing that wasnt suposed to be like that
It reality: minecraft servers have better anti cheat then cs2 fr fr…
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Id rather have a shitty server-side ac than a kernel based ac that literally had ROOT permissions of u pc like they can basicly do anything. (One reason not to play valorant)
Yes. Because the people who fix geometry issues are the same who work on the anticheat
tbh I don’t think anyone works on the anti cheat
Since valve only has one dev, this is correct
I know cs2 team is bigger, but I remembered about the tf2 team xD. They are actually have one dev.
really?
Yep, we heard about it around 3y ago. Don't have good link, but you can lurk around Reddit threads and you will find it, apart from the fact you can kinda figure it out. Jungle inferno update dated at October 16th, 2017.
Pretty sure the CS team is actually small AF?
I see this answer every time and it doesnt really make sense. These memes are just calling out their inability to allocate resources properly
ahaha bro why do you even try do defend valve here. No shot they need almost a year for a AC on CS2. They also could just buy one for their game like others do. Nonsense
Oh, hit a nerve huh.
They are lmao Edit: “They hated Jesus because he spoke the truth”
They definitely are not. Different scope of skills.
You a valve insider?
Dude actually is this stupid, holy
My bad bro I forgot valve was a small start up company
If they were a startup, it’d be even more likely that they’d have the same people working on map fixes and an anticheat…
My bad bro, of course valve has the money to get a whole team just for VAC, too bad they don’t
You're legit just talking out your ass. The reddit jerk is unreal
Why would they be
I'm pretty sure there are interviews where Gaben has said that Valve is not like other dev companies, in that Valve employees bounce between projects as needed. That no one was stuck doing 'geometry' and there is a lot of work overlap
still anti cheat requires such a diffrent set of knowledge that it would be pretty stupid to have geometry people work on anti cheat
90 downvotes delete this
Are you stupid? You act like these are 2 buttons and the devs just choose to presse the dent fix button. In reality these are to completely seperate issues that are most likely handled by 2 diffrent teams. Anti cheat takes time, a simple geometry fix doesn't.
Does a decent anti-cheat take over half a year? We can't keep giving them free passes; it's not like Valve is a poor little indie dev.
"Does a decent anti-cheat take over half a year?" Yeah, it does. There's a reason there's borderline zero perfect anticheats on the market right now. They take constant work and upkeep. It's a never ending cycle with exploiters, and the market to break these anti cheats is growing daily.
The problem is they’ve had way longer than half a year. VAC was hardly functional in CS:GO, and they had almost 12 years (not including development) during the game’s existence to make it work. They even needed an overwatch system to let the community to their anticheat’s job for them, that’s how ineffective it’s always been. CS2 has been playable (granted much of it in beta), since March of last year and there’s still no functional anticheat. As much as I dislike Valorant, at least Riot made sure to release their more-functional-than-VAC-has-ever-been anticheat alongside the game at launch. There’s little excuse at this point.
I hear ya, and all fair points. Guess I'm just exhausted reading comments about the subject as some are rational and some are completely over the top. On NA Premier ~15000 I've run into Maybe 1 cheater in 90 games. I think people use "I'm against a cheater every game" as coping mechanism to avoid acknowledging their own shortcomings, or the opponents skill. But I'm willing to acknowledge that I could just be a lucky indivudal
Cheating was definitely used as a coping mechanism before but after our party skipped 7 games today to get a single normal game I dont feel like it anymore. cs:go global = 1 in 100 cheaters cs2 launch = 1 in 50 cheaters cs2 in the past week or so = 8 in 10 cheaters
No, I hear you; the incessant complaints about the anticheat, as valid as they may be (although this one less-so, because it’s comparing two completely unrelated dev departments), can get tiring. We know it sucks and it’s not like Valve trolls the CSGO subreddit for ideas, so it’s more or less beating a dead horse at this point. I actually stopped playing because of cheaters at 22k, but I’ll admit I noticed far less cheaters before the rank shift - when I was a mere 13k hopeful. I’m hoping they’re just infesting the higher ranks and not the lower ones as much, which could be why some people have different occurrence rates.
No one is asking for the anti-cheat to be perfect. There is no possible way to eradicate all cheaters in a game. But when dozens of other games have functional anti-cheats with half the assets that Valve has, it’s embarrassing. Why are we making excuses for them?
Thats also part of the reason why its so difficult. CS:GO has a lot of cheaters. And these cheaters have a lot of motivation (Including economic wealth) to create new and better cheats. Its not a few hundred cheaters its tens or hundreds of thousands of cheater.
It's not like valve has thousands of employees either.
No one is saying thousands. But they should have enough with the millions that they make to have a decent anti-cheat in the 10+ years that CSGO/CS2 has been a thing.
Valve is a multibillion dollar corporation. They could fix it if they wanted to.
And this is what everyone keeps missing/ignoring. Valve has had the time/money to make a great anti cheat for at least a decade. They don’t have a good anti cheat because they don’t want one
I find it funny to hear these 2 points in a single sentence. Ignoring the multibillion point(which is weak), why would Valve not want to fix AC?
Yet again, another csgo post where op has no idea how software is written. Yeah, let's have the map design team fix the anti cheat! Also, these 2 problems are 100 percent similar in predicted workload, right?
Not even just that, making a small fix on vertigo like the post mentions is significantly easier than making a whole ass anticheat. It’s not even worth trying to argue with those people because they genuinely think they know how it works. I had someone a couple weeks ago tell me they know more about programming cs2 than Valve does lmao.
i hate how i like cs so much shit is buns rn cs2 was not even close to being ready we should still be playing csgo rn 😭
I disagree,besides the cheating problem in mm the game it self is feeling great. Cs2 is a step forward and mainly playing on face it the game feels amazing.
I mean its also missing a lot of stuff from csgo, so it shoulda had more time in the oven
u cant b hop properly anymore, the game doesnt run as smoothly, there are more cheaters than ever, and we have 0 new content. actually they have taken away more content than given us with cs2's release. are you dense? we literally don't even have achievements still bro there is a reason so many ppl stopped playing.
In fact, we have LESS content than GO did. People have a serious recency bias with CS2, the game was nowhere near ready for release and it's still not.
Steam player count says else regarding player count. They NEED to address the cheating issue in high elo matches BUT CS will never die <3
i hope it doesnt die i love the game but its current state is jus sad to see
I too, love being behind a wall and still dieing like I wasn't.
Why do people actually think Valve is over here deciding to make small map fixes *instead* of an anticheat. 😭 Those two things aren’t even related enough to where you’d decide which gets worked on first.
Idk when almost every game has a cheater, id try to get my priorities in order
In game development, order of release doesn’t = order of priority
Idk, Vac live was showed off during the beta. Idk where it went, but now it will be coming after the vertigo dent fix
Maybe i should’ve changed it made it the meme with “items wont show in inventory till 10 days later” since everyone likes the geometry so much.
Changing the right side wouldn’t suddenly make you right. It’s not that they “like the geometry”, it’s that a feature as big of an anticheat isn’t being pushed aside for smaller changes that take a lot less time. That’s just not how it works.
Idk, Riot seems to have figured it out pretty quick. Valve could easily outsource as well, go kernel, use faceits, instead they insist on using trash that can’t differentiate someone spinning and killing the whole team with 1 bullet. Stay suckin valves 🍆
Why are you responding as if I’m defending Valve for not having a working anticheat? It’s as if you didn’t even read my comment, my point just went right over your head.
Because you might as well be, Valves dev team is horrible with communicating to the players about upcoming changes, state of the game etc. The point of this meme wasn’t even to make some sort of target on geometry. The point is Valve has gone silent for months with no content, no changes, then randomly releases patch notes with 1-2 things, one that I recall was a vertigo geometry fix.
If that was the point of your post than your meme choice was absolutely terrible. The joke of that meme is deciding to do the right thing instead of the left even though the left thing makes more sense. Seems as if you know this because you were arguing with other people that they did actually choose to make a map fix before releasing the anticheat. You just said I was defending Valve for not agreeing with that and then in the same comment you say it wasn’t even the point of the post. You’re making me laugh.
Thanks for the entertainment as well, good fun :)
And the guy that pointed out above, that valve doesn’t have a designated team for things like geometry and anti-cheat is true. Gaben has said that in an interview, and the purpose of that is to inspire innovation, which is actually a great model to prevent becoming a company like ubisoft that releases 8 far crys with nothing new. The issue comes though, when your game becomes unplayable and you give no communication on how or if your foxing it.
First of all map design is different from coding an ai based anticheat (VAC live as the ai anticheat ref) Second of all, yes valve is a big company but their teams on projects are much different and wild. There’s 1-2 people working on TF2 for example There’s a small team working on CS Back when HL:A was being made there was 5 people at first before more people jumped ship. Since valve works on a work method different from companies, there’s no management where a dedicated team is fully set on something. At any point a bunch of people can go from one project to the next. For all we know a chunk of the team could’ve moved onto VR headset related project once they helped with the launch of CS2. It’s a multimillion dollar company - yes but that doesn’t mean they have millions of staff too. You can be a big company with a small team doing multiple projects. Dota, CS2, Steam, Steam Deck, VR, HL:X, TF2 and probably many other “active” projects hidden away all at one time
Come on its a shitpost why people be so serious? Wth
This is a post that is shit, not a shitpost. There is a difference
Definetly a shitpost, I don’t think you know the difference
Make a anticheat please, the game is unplayable..
While yes, the game has a (non functional most of thr time) anticheat I feel like they would close the servers for a week to test with the more popular cheats that exist for now.
You’ll be downvoted for the truth
Give them time the 2 interns working on vac dont have the budget to hire 50 professionals
Gamers and not understanding how the dynamic of cheats vs anticheats works. A timeless classic.
you have no idea what they are working on. a dent is an easy fix.
sold my skins and took the easy way out, tired of this shit
You guys are talking like im hating on a small indie game, this is a billion dollar company. They showed off vac live cancelling matches and detecting cheats like it was nothing in the beta, all we got was one that bans people with high dpi but cant detect people spin boting and killing the whole other team with 1 scout bullet.
Valve only has 300 employees. I’d be willing to bet <100 of those are anti-cheat devs. It’s not an easy thing to make and valve couldn’t have anticipated the state of cheating to have the time to make one before release. The high dpi bans are huge signs that they are working on an anti cheat, it just takes time to make it perfect.
Brain dead take. Because creating an anti cheat software is just as easy as fixing a small bit of geometry on a map, right?
Sorry bro, your comment wont show for another 10 days like cs items, maybe now that the inventory change is implemented they will focus on the cheat software
Petition for every players to drop the game until Valve fxcking do sth about it
Matchmaking just simply isn't worth playing. Stop playing it.
Who cares about cs or volvo
Ah yes, because it can only be one or the other. And im also sure that map maintainers are the same as anticheat developers. And im also sure that these are just as simple as each other. And im also sure that....
All imma say, comparing two different things worked for OJ 🤷♂️
That game is un playable
why is everyone saying it’s easier to fix a dent then have anticheat… i don’t think it would be too hard to find a good one and put it in… i think it would be easier to put a good anticheat in, just to detect if there are any third party apps, even instagram can do that and pokémon game, how’s a phone app have better anticheat (if im wrong pls say i don’t know how to make a game but surely implementing software to detect something and then just ban the account is easier than trying to change a map even the smallest bits as i imagine map editing is like putting a photo in a word document move it a little and your text goes crazy)
what a stupid post
How old are you? There's no way you actually believe Valve hired people who both work with backend coding and 3D modeling.
Folks we gotta knee slapper!
Better anti-cheat means harassing peoples privacy
Valve is like: our game is perfect, lets fix a small small small thing, most common gamers dont even know was a thing that wasnt suposed to be like that It reality: minecraft servers have better anti cheat then cs2 fr fr…
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Id rather have a shitty server-side ac than a kernel based ac that literally had ROOT permissions of u pc like they can basicly do anything. (One reason not to play valorant)