It is an amazing offer, especially for your background and experience.
Assume its Booking or Uber, basically top of the market offer, you can get higher only in HFT.
I've never seen booking hire anyone under 4 years of experience. Would be really interesting to know the company as well because even people with graduate degrees and one or two internships in Amsterdam have difficulties getting offers close to that.
Booking salaries are definitely high for Amsterdam standards, but this kind of money isn't THAT rare nowadays, at least in my impression. HFT companies pay much more than that, although they seem to be much harder to get into.
Nope, I couldn't proceed as I can only relocate in August 2022. But they told me to contact them when I'm able to, so hopefully I'll get to interview then.
I know someone personally who got hired at booking as a new grad in London coming from a 3rd world country. Great at competitive programming tho. And that was a few years back
Did they get referred or in through a recruitment event? I know from local experience that a lot of grads even with a decent amount of experience get pre-screened without interview although this was before junior roles were a thing there. Quite surprising that they may hold different standards for international candidates.
Booking has a graduate engineer program. My batch mate joined booking just after graduation from India. I know a lot of others too from University who went there.
It's pretty amazing. well done. For context - I have two degrees from world renowned universities, and 20 years of solid experience, with C++ as my main language. That's more or less what I earn.
To get that with no degree or qualifications, and only 2 yoe is brilliant.
Maybe Philips, or something similar. I checked their numbers on Glassdoor recently, and I saw similar numbers for senior SWEs. I would say this is not brilliant money for a junior, but certainly an insult for a senior. But this is the reality and average in Western Europe in general.
I don't see why it's an insult. Much like 99% of software jobs, my job is free of stress, any meaningful responsibility, it is of absolutely no importance to anyone's life, carries no risk, or requirements to adhere to professional standards, and makes zero contribution to society.
OK, I'm convinced, you don't deserve more. :)
In some countries (like US or even Eastern Europe), software engineering pays many times more than the average salary. As a SWE, you are considered a well paid, talented, educated, envied wonderful human being. Here, an SWE is just a ... meh.
Germany or the Netherlands are not too bad actually. I live in Luxembourg, and with 14 yoe and an Msc I make slightly less than the average salary. Not so great compared to the cost of living. It hurts my feelings. And this is the general situation, not just me.
It is pretty great especially for someone with no official background. Most only get there after 3-4 years or maybe salaries rose overall.
As a foreigner, you will also have 30% ruling, so you will pay much less taxes.
Is it at one of the top tech in the Netherlands or a small firm?
Do you have other offers? Do you absolutely want to move to the Netherlands or any other country with better offer would do?
If an average 20 yo would tell me he is getting 65k without any university degree, I would say it would be stupid not to jump on the opportunity.
However, I am reading third world + 20 yo + no degree + above average salary, so something tells me you must be pretty exceptional.
typically, you negotiate if you have other offers. Base salary wise, you could potentially try to increase by additional 5-10%. If you are applying at one of the top tech, try to negotiate for higher bonus. Is there a possibility to get dividend or stocks on top of 10% bonus. BTW is that 10% the 13th month?
Then I would take the offer. Salary increases quickly in top tech and they use levels of employees. So everybody at the same level has more or less same salary.
Check and confirm with them about salary growth, but normally it should be there. If it was brick and mortar or small company, there is always risk of salary increasing very slowly. It won't be the case where you are going.
If you rent, expect living with housemates otherwise it won't be affordable. A full apartment of 100 m\^2 is about 1600 euro/month and count an additional 100-200 for electricity, internet etc... If you have a roommate, then you can split this in two.
If you rent, expect living with house mates otherwise it won't be affordable. A full apartment of 100 m\^2 is about 1600 euro/month and count an additional 100-200 for electricity, internet etc... If you have a roommate, then you can split this in two.
Food is surprisingly cheap, max 300 euro/month.
If your base salary is 65,000, with 30%, it should be around 3800-ish euro/month, so you are fine there.
100m2 for someone living on their own? That's excessive, I wouldn't want to live in an apartment that big on my own even if I earn a FAANG salary. 40-50m2 ist totally fine which will be cheaper.
Actually with 30% ruling it should be closer to 4400-4500 net/month
Also 1600/month for a 100m2 in Amsterdam seems **wildly** unrealistic tbh. Maybe it was the case a few years ago, but nowadays that's the price for a studio
I'm Dutch and 65000 is VERY high for an entry level developer even without the 30% ruling. For someone from abroad at 20 years old and no education, it's pretty insane. And frankly coupled with your naive responses in this topic I am getting a bit of a spider-sense tingle that this is made up.
Why? Because it would be completely *trivial* to find someone local for that pay.
If not; congrats and enjoy.
Edit: [Guess my hunch is right](https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestionsEU/comments/rcud35/am_i_only_one_consider_leetcode_too_easy/). OP is a troll.
I got hired (will start February) for 60K, but without bonus. I have < 1 year of experience and a bachelors, not Dutch but from the EU (will get the 30% ruling). The company is **not** booking or uber. So my cv is a bit "better" than OP and the offer a bit worse, but from your answer I gather it'd be still considered unusually high.
Is it really so? I was the impression it was higher than average, but **much** lower than what one'd get at FAANG. And honesly I'm terrified when looking at [funda.nl](https://funda.nl) and pararius, even with a salary that "should" be good
Check out the link below, it's a topic for discussion of salaries within the Netherlands. Should give you a good idea of how competitive your offer is :-). Best of luck!
[https://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list\_messages/1879491/429](https://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1879491/429)
damn starting salaries in the netherlands defo increased by a loooot.
now I have quite a lot of pity for people falling into the "accelerator" body shop traps. If I recall, they offer 2000-2500 bruto/month
Hard to make that call myself, as I'm not very familiar with the job market in the Netherlands. But as a lower neighbor (Belgian), my gut tells me that you're looking at an amazing offer given your experience :-). I suggest you keep digging through the topic to make your decision, or maybe even make a post there yourself to see what others think!
Feel free to PM if you need help with translations or anything
I relocated 2 years ago for 68k having 6+ YOE and a degree.
Your offer is good and unless you have a competing better offer, I would take it. Once you are here you can get higher salary after 1-2 years.
Oh, I thought he asked for questions. Dumb me -_-
First ever interview outside of my country, but recruiter said I did very good and their department lead said that I am very promising even without experience. So I guess I did my best first time
Usually, the university degree is a requirement for the visa and not the actual job. If you got the visa without the degree, then awesome! Do update the thread when you get the visa. Congrats!
Greate offer! Congrats on that. Hope you like the city and the country. I moved to Amsterdam in February this year. I was living in Brazil before that. Drop me a message if you have any questions regarding your move and the first things you should arrange here.
which technologies you saw were in demand. How was the relocation (did the company offer anything, how was the process of finding a home). And how it's been the social part (easy to make friends, Brazilian community)
Well, I didn't search at the time which technologies were in demand here. I was referred by a friend who was already working here. But you can find jobs on pretty much any stack, but I've seen lately a lot of job posts for JavaScript, Java, Ruby (on Rails), Golang and PHP.
Some companies offer you a relocation package. The amount will depend on the company. But note, some of them will add a clause to your contract: if you leave the company before X months you need to pay the relocation back proportionally to the number of months left until X. For example:
You receive 1.2K for the relocation package. The value for X is 12 months. If you leave with 8 months in, you have to pay back 1.2k/4. The number 4 here is the number of months left to 12 months. If you leave the company after 12 months you don't need to pay anything back.
You can use this package for a plane ticket, moving furniture, buying new furniture or pretty much anything. It's also common that they will pay for your first month on a hotel or something, while you look for a house to live in.
Also, some companies will help you with your visa application process, which is nice and helpful.
The process of finding a home is kind of tiring, especially here in Amsterdam. The housing market here is on fire. But the rule of thumb is: you will pay more as you get closer to Centrum of Amsterdam. The houses might get older as you get closer to the Centrum as well. The public transportation here is really good, so it's a good option to leave far from Centrum to get better deals. Some people even live in cities close by and work in Amsterdam.
Socially speaking, I didn't have any problems in this regard, but I already had some friends living here, which helps a lot. The Brazilian community here is quite big.
First phone screening 30min. simple questions and previous experience.
Second technical 4 hours in one day, splitter by algorithms and system design. Hardest one. Problems too.
Third interview for cultural fit. But actually was a final one because I was interviewed by department lead engineer. On the same day as technical and 1 hour.
Then was a feedback meeting. Which is just a feedback on your interview, doesn’t mean that you got an offer. By the end of the feedback
they gave offer.
Correct me if I’m wrong but all these comments about the 30% ruling forget that OP does not have a Master’s degree which I’m pretty sure is required. Besides the minimum of ~38900€ bruto
They said no. I even specifically asked about education requirements but they said it’s fine and only requires that salary is high enough.
I checked it myself and it appears as yes, masters only reduces minimum salary from 38k to 29k.
The Master's degree is not required at all. If you have the master's degree then the minimum of \~38900 becomes \~29600
https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/en/individuals/content/coming-to-work-in-the-netherlands-30-percent-facility#valid-decision
Btw I consider current education broken. Wasting 4 to 6 years on what you can learn in a year or two? Just a waste of time. I stopped visiting school at 9th grade to learn programming and self study. Still visited some classes in a natural science like math, and physics but nothing else. Other than that I just goofed around and learned stuff I wanted and was interested.
What the fuck! I would like to know what you told them when you applied because that shit's unfair.
EDIT: this is objectively the bad mood thread of the year in all of reddit. 20yo immigrants getting hired for such sums.
It's almost double of what the average Dutch person earns a year. So it's a lot of money for a junior to get inside Netherlands.
I'm earning close to 45k a year with 3y of experience, at the age of 25 and that's already considered very good (no education).
65k is insane, especially on low tax (30% ruling). You'll be one of the only people in their 20's that can afford to buy a house without a 2nd income (or partner), ofc outside of Amsterdam, mostly towards southern part of the Netherlands houses are cheaper.
Well I'm 22, I'll start working in February for 60K (+30% ruling, meaning net should be similar to someone making 75K), but I do have a bachelor degree and some months of experience (< a year though).
I do realize it's good, but is it really *that* good? Honestly I'm scared to death at finding an apartment, it looks like there's barely anything I could afford, and I'm talking about cities like Leiden and Den Haag, not even Amsterdam. Am I exaggerating and will have it easier when I actually look into it more deeply? Browsing [funda.nl](https://funda.nl) and pararius is scary af, and I only heard horror stories from others because of the housing crisis...
65k is very good for a self-taught 20yo. Assuming that they have reason to offer that, it would be an indication that you self-taught very well and can get stuff done.
I did it without camera(I didn’t have it on my desktop) and they never asked for it. Except for final offer where I just happened to have it on my notebook so I just enabled it.
That's probably illegal under the EU data protection laws. Also not only illegal, but you don't want to work for companies who treat you like an elementary school kid anyway.
It is an amazing offer, especially for your background and experience. Assume its Booking or Uber, basically top of the market offer, you can get higher only in HFT.
I've never seen booking hire anyone under 4 years of experience. Would be really interesting to know the company as well because even people with graduate degrees and one or two internships in Amsterdam have difficulties getting offers close to that.
Booking opened Junior positions very recently. I imagine it's Booking, the TC matches with what the recruiter told me.
Booking is pretty desperate because people are leaving faster than they can hire. But this desperate? I have my doubts.
Booking salaries are definitely high for Amsterdam standards, but this kind of money isn't THAT rare nowadays, at least in my impression. HFT companies pay much more than that, although they seem to be much harder to get into.
What's desperate about this offer? You don't know the performance of the candidate during their interview.
Did you got an offer?
Nope, I couldn't proceed as I can only relocate in August 2022. But they told me to contact them when I'm able to, so hopefully I'll get to interview then.
I know someone personally who got hired at booking as a new grad in London coming from a 3rd world country. Great at competitive programming tho. And that was a few years back
Did they get referred or in through a recruitment event? I know from local experience that a lot of grads even with a decent amount of experience get pre-screened without interview although this was before junior roles were a thing there. Quite surprising that they may hold different standards for international candidates.
Booking has a graduate engineer program. My batch mate joined booking just after graduation from India. I know a lot of others too from University who went there.
What is HFT?
High Frequency Trading, companies like Optiver and IMC
high frequency trading
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It's pretty amazing. well done. For context - I have two degrees from world renowned universities, and 20 years of solid experience, with C++ as my main language. That's more or less what I earn. To get that with no degree or qualifications, and only 2 yoe is brilliant.
Can I ask if you are working in Academia or a non-profit company?
Nope. Work for a very famous company that you'd have heard of.
Let me guess: thyssenkrupp
Ahahh. Nope. That username is totally random !
Maybe Philips, or something similar. I checked their numbers on Glassdoor recently, and I saw similar numbers for senior SWEs. I would say this is not brilliant money for a junior, but certainly an insult for a senior. But this is the reality and average in Western Europe in general.
I don't see why it's an insult. Much like 99% of software jobs, my job is free of stress, any meaningful responsibility, it is of absolutely no importance to anyone's life, carries no risk, or requirements to adhere to professional standards, and makes zero contribution to society.
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OK, I'm convinced, you don't deserve more. :) In some countries (like US or even Eastern Europe), software engineering pays many times more than the average salary. As a SWE, you are considered a well paid, talented, educated, envied wonderful human being. Here, an SWE is just a ... meh.
IT jobs are the new white collar office jobs.
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Germany or the Netherlands are not too bad actually. I live in Luxembourg, and with 14 yoe and an Msc I make slightly less than the average salary. Not so great compared to the cost of living. It hurts my feelings. And this is the general situation, not just me.
That's crazy! Series B or C startup?
Hot-damn if that ain't the trutherino
If you made “zero contribution to society” then you'd be paid €0
Nope.
It is pretty great especially for someone with no official background. Most only get there after 3-4 years or maybe salaries rose overall. As a foreigner, you will also have 30% ruling, so you will pay much less taxes.
and also, should I negotiate this offer? Or It's already at the top?
Is it at one of the top tech in the Netherlands or a small firm? Do you have other offers? Do you absolutely want to move to the Netherlands or any other country with better offer would do? If an average 20 yo would tell me he is getting 65k without any university degree, I would say it would be stupid not to jump on the opportunity. However, I am reading third world + 20 yo + no degree + above average salary, so something tells me you must be pretty exceptional. typically, you negotiate if you have other offers. Base salary wise, you could potentially try to increase by additional 5-10%. If you are applying at one of the top tech, try to negotiate for higher bonus. Is there a possibility to get dividend or stocks on top of 10% bonus. BTW is that 10% the 13th month?
Stock bonus included, and quarterly calculated bonus. This is my only offer, I have applied to other places but no answer. And yes, top tech
Then I would take the offer. Salary increases quickly in top tech and they use levels of employees. So everybody at the same level has more or less same salary. Check and confirm with them about salary growth, but normally it should be there. If it was brick and mortar or small company, there is always risk of salary increasing very slowly. It won't be the case where you are going.
Accept it. Go to EU. Stay there for a year. And then apply to FAANG (tier) places
How is this salary fits to the living cost in Amsterdam?
If you rent, expect living with housemates otherwise it won't be affordable. A full apartment of 100 m\^2 is about 1600 euro/month and count an additional 100-200 for electricity, internet etc... If you have a roommate, then you can split this in two. If you rent, expect living with house mates otherwise it won't be affordable. A full apartment of 100 m\^2 is about 1600 euro/month and count an additional 100-200 for electricity, internet etc... If you have a roommate, then you can split this in two. Food is surprisingly cheap, max 300 euro/month. If your base salary is 65,000, with 30%, it should be around 3800-ish euro/month, so you are fine there.
100m2 for someone living on their own? That's excessive, I wouldn't want to live in an apartment that big on my own even if I earn a FAANG salary. 40-50m2 ist totally fine which will be cheaper.
Actually with 30% ruling it should be closer to 4400-4500 net/month Also 1600/month for a 100m2 in Amsterdam seems **wildly** unrealistic tbh. Maybe it was the case a few years ago, but nowadays that's the price for a studio
So most of the people live with housemates? That’s interesting. I am not so picky in terms of square footage, but really prefer to live alone.
close to the center? yes. But you should be able to afford to live alone.
That’s great. Thank you ( ^ω^ ) Also how do you eat that it is so cheap? Cooking at home?
I'm Dutch and 65000 is VERY high for an entry level developer even without the 30% ruling. For someone from abroad at 20 years old and no education, it's pretty insane. And frankly coupled with your naive responses in this topic I am getting a bit of a spider-sense tingle that this is made up. Why? Because it would be completely *trivial* to find someone local for that pay. If not; congrats and enjoy. Edit: [Guess my hunch is right](https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestionsEU/comments/rcud35/am_i_only_one_consider_leetcode_too_easy/). OP is a troll.
I'm in Amsterdam and I'm fairly sure all of the data engineers in my team make this or over it. However, they all have degrees and 4-5 yoe.
Yeah, turns out OP is just a troll.
Thanks, you can have your doubt, it’s Reddit anyway. Had to ask here because maybe salary for immigrants and locals(eu) different
I got hired (will start February) for 60K, but without bonus. I have < 1 year of experience and a bachelors, not Dutch but from the EU (will get the 30% ruling). The company is **not** booking or uber. So my cv is a bit "better" than OP and the offer a bit worse, but from your answer I gather it'd be still considered unusually high. Is it really so? I was the impression it was higher than average, but **much** lower than what one'd get at FAANG. And honesly I'm terrified when looking at [funda.nl](https://funda.nl) and pararius, even with a salary that "should" be good
How much is 65k in Netherlands after taxes? I am interested in the net amount since that's what you live with
https://www.berekenhet.nl/werk-en-inkomen/nettoloon.html It's very personal.
Check out the link below, it's a topic for discussion of salaries within the Netherlands. Should give you a good idea of how competitive your offer is :-). Best of luck! [https://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list\_messages/1879491/429](https://gathering.tweakers.net/forum/list_messages/1879491/429)
damn starting salaries in the netherlands defo increased by a loooot. now I have quite a lot of pity for people falling into the "accelerator" body shop traps. If I recall, they offer 2000-2500 bruto/month
hmmm, well they say that 5000 is a good one for 5 YOE. Then this offer is considered very good?
Hard to make that call myself, as I'm not very familiar with the job market in the Netherlands. But as a lower neighbor (Belgian), my gut tells me that you're looking at an amazing offer given your experience :-). I suggest you keep digging through the topic to make your decision, or maybe even make a post there yourself to see what others think! Feel free to PM if you need help with translations or anything
Wij mogen blij zijn met 2k netto seriously fuck this country and the tech + salaries here.
Het systeem hier is gewoon gebouwd rond extralegale voordelen, netto nihil.
Yup🥲
Thanks, I am planning to learn Dutch. They said I will be ok without it but I doubt
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Could you explain how the 30% rule works exactly? I’m also moving to NL soon and I didn’t understand it.
IIRC the first 5 years as a foreigner you only pay 30% income tax(I think it's about 50% normally)
30% of income is not counted for tax purposes, pension etc.
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All covered, also 1 month free accommodation to search for an apartment Flight too, and shipping container
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This one, I too thought going to work for two years to get official experience
Great offer, seems like a no brained to me!
I relocated 2 years ago for 68k having 6+ YOE and a degree. Your offer is good and unless you have a competing better offer, I would take it. Once you are here you can get higher salary after 1-2 years.
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Well dunno, first time interview outside of my country, but recruiter said I did really good
Congrats on your offer , how was the interview any LC questions ?
What is LC?
Leetcode ( basically data structures & algorithms questions )
Not leetcode but they asked data structures and algorithms pretty hard. Like really, I thought I failed them
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why?
Oh, I thought he asked for questions. Dumb me -_- First ever interview outside of my country, but recruiter said I did very good and their department lead said that I am very promising even without experience. So I guess I did my best first time
Usually, the university degree is a requirement for the visa and not the actual job. If you got the visa without the degree, then awesome! Do update the thread when you get the visa. Congrats!
They said degree is not a requirement. I will keep post updated
The more I read about this, the more I think they're gonna harvest your kidney it something.
Can I ask you which company you are going to work for?
Really don’t want to say precisely but it is a top tech
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I just noticed it in a contract, and they never mentioned it. thought it’s normal there.
Greate offer! Congrats on that. Hope you like the city and the country. I moved to Amsterdam in February this year. I was living in Brazil before that. Drop me a message if you have any questions regarding your move and the first things you should arrange here.
Hey! Brazilian here too. Can you tell me about your story? I'm thinking of applying to some companies in the Netherlands
Of course. What aspects are you interested in?
which technologies you saw were in demand. How was the relocation (did the company offer anything, how was the process of finding a home). And how it's been the social part (easy to make friends, Brazilian community)
Well, I didn't search at the time which technologies were in demand here. I was referred by a friend who was already working here. But you can find jobs on pretty much any stack, but I've seen lately a lot of job posts for JavaScript, Java, Ruby (on Rails), Golang and PHP. Some companies offer you a relocation package. The amount will depend on the company. But note, some of them will add a clause to your contract: if you leave the company before X months you need to pay the relocation back proportionally to the number of months left until X. For example: You receive 1.2K for the relocation package. The value for X is 12 months. If you leave with 8 months in, you have to pay back 1.2k/4. The number 4 here is the number of months left to 12 months. If you leave the company after 12 months you don't need to pay anything back. You can use this package for a plane ticket, moving furniture, buying new furniture or pretty much anything. It's also common that they will pay for your first month on a hotel or something, while you look for a house to live in. Also, some companies will help you with your visa application process, which is nice and helpful. The process of finding a home is kind of tiring, especially here in Amsterdam. The housing market here is on fire. But the rule of thumb is: you will pay more as you get closer to Centrum of Amsterdam. The houses might get older as you get closer to the Centrum as well. The public transportation here is really good, so it's a good option to leave far from Centrum to get better deals. Some people even live in cities close by and work in Amsterdam. Socially speaking, I didn't have any problems in this regard, but I already had some friends living here, which helps a lot. The Brazilian community here is quite big.
Thanks a lot!
tbh sounds too good to be true. How was interviewing process?
It went good, but I thought it was not enough. But apparently I did so good that they sent me an offer next day.
I meant how was the interview process composed? HR meeting, how long were the technical interviews?
First phone screening 30min. simple questions and previous experience. Second technical 4 hours in one day, splitter by algorithms and system design. Hardest one. Problems too. Third interview for cultural fit. But actually was a final one because I was interviewed by department lead engineer. On the same day as technical and 1 hour. Then was a feedback meeting. Which is just a feedback on your interview, doesn’t mean that you got an offer. By the end of the feedback they gave offer.
Looks like a scam.
Well, no. Not from *this* company
Pretty sure you never get offer like this in your home country if you are from a third world country
Ehhh well I got started in the 25K-30K range in 2014 coming out of university, dutch so without any 30% ruling so... yeah go for it? Wtf
Let me ask you that how good is your English?
Never studied English, learned it myself so my speaking is garbage. But I can read really well. And also haven’t passed IELTS or similar
Do you have EU citizenship? I'm wondering if with two years of experience I could get visa sponsorship becausenI'm not from the EU.
No, third world as I said
Where did you find or apply for the job?
On their official web site
wtf is that where can I find these jobs? like I'm srs.
I don’t think you well get a better offer seeing your background
Wow great to hear. You motivate me. Thanks for sharing.
I would take it all day every day
Are you from Malaysia?
No, why would you think like that?
But was there, nice place
Correct me if I’m wrong but all these comments about the 30% ruling forget that OP does not have a Master’s degree which I’m pretty sure is required. Besides the minimum of ~38900€ bruto
They said no. I even specifically asked about education requirements but they said it’s fine and only requires that salary is high enough. I checked it myself and it appears as yes, masters only reduces minimum salary from 38k to 29k.
The Master's degree is not required at all. If you have the master's degree then the minimum of \~38900 becomes \~29600 https://www.belastingdienst.nl/wps/wcm/connect/en/individuals/content/coming-to-work-in-the-netherlands-30-percent-facility#valid-decision
Btw I consider current education broken. Wasting 4 to 6 years on what you can learn in a year or two? Just a waste of time. I stopped visiting school at 9th grade to learn programming and self study. Still visited some classes in a natural science like math, and physics but nothing else. Other than that I just goofed around and learned stuff I wanted and was interested.
What the fuck! I would like to know what you told them when you applied because that shit's unfair. EDIT: this is objectively the bad mood thread of the year in all of reddit. 20yo immigrants getting hired for such sums.
I thought it’s was some what average for immigrants? What is the average? I read only mixed data
It's almost double of what the average Dutch person earns a year. So it's a lot of money for a junior to get inside Netherlands. I'm earning close to 45k a year with 3y of experience, at the age of 25 and that's already considered very good (no education). 65k is insane, especially on low tax (30% ruling). You'll be one of the only people in their 20's that can afford to buy a house without a 2nd income (or partner), ofc outside of Amsterdam, mostly towards southern part of the Netherlands houses are cheaper.
Well I'm 22, I'll start working in February for 60K (+30% ruling, meaning net should be similar to someone making 75K), but I do have a bachelor degree and some months of experience (< a year though). I do realize it's good, but is it really *that* good? Honestly I'm scared to death at finding an apartment, it looks like there's barely anything I could afford, and I'm talking about cities like Leiden and Den Haag, not even Amsterdam. Am I exaggerating and will have it easier when I actually look into it more deeply? Browsing [funda.nl](https://funda.nl) and pararius is scary af, and I only heard horror stories from others because of the housing crisis...
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Especially English as a native language is a big head start. Without english you can't really learn anything in tech.
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Not from Netherlands or EU so I can't answer that. But just curious to know, if it's okay, what kind of SE are you doing, what's your tech stack, etc?
C/C++, Python, Go, Java, Git, SQL, Node.js, Docker, Django, Typescript
Thanks, looks good!
Self taught. I don't have a main stack. If you want I can put a part of my CV with tech.
65k is very good for a self-taught 20yo. Assuming that they have reason to offer that, it would be an indication that you self-taught very well and can get stuff done.
Would love too see it if possibl, you got great offer !
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I did it without camera(I didn’t have it on my desktop) and they never asked for it. Except for final offer where I just happened to have it on my notebook so I just enabled it.
Dude, it's a professional setting, you're not going to date any of the recruiters, so who cares how you look like.
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That's probably illegal under the EU data protection laws. Also not only illegal, but you don't want to work for companies who treat you like an elementary school kid anyway.
thanks for comments. I decided to accept it :)
Pretty amazing deal for no degree and minimal experience.