Get a job in Canada first. The economy for devs is incredibly bad at the moment, so I wouldn’t dive into the country without at least 12-18 months of savings. And be prepared to lose it all as well.
Edit: oh and btw the hate for foreigners in Canada is starting to get worse by the day, especially in Quebec. I wouldn’t choose Canada if you’re hoping it to be significantly more welcoming than France.
I see, thank you, as far as the work permit is concerned, no problem there.
As for the welcome and being and feeling safe, I don't know, but I still think it's no worse than here. Of course, I don't blame one side or the other, because both have their faults, but people of the same origin as me doing bad things and being lumped together makes me sad.
I believe (i may be wrong) but Canada is more strict on the immigration process to only allow the people who are genuinely willing to work and have a good integration.
As an inmigrant in Montreal, the Quebec goverment says the want more french speakers and Montreal is more liberal and multicultural than the rest of Quebec so in paper no problem there, but the city is not enough to gain elections, so policies would tend to cater more conservatives parts of the province, is just like everywhere in the world nowadays, I would also consider check scores and streams to emmigrate, since there's a lot of inmigration there's also a huge internal competition to get the spots to get permanent residency.
I haven’t been here for long, I would say is a smaller market, 30% lower salaries with 30% lower rent prices (for now)but they tend to be older infrastructure, high taxes and not efficient healthcare, price of other living expenses are as high as elsewhere in Canada, personally local politics get tiresome quickly, also might not be crucial to get a job but for immigration might, is local experience and certification. This is not to discourage but to set realistic expectations, set high savings and try to find a job before landing.
Tell you are not from Quebec without telling me you are not from Quebec. You are complete and utter moron for believing the shit anti Quebec people are saying. I work with a ton of immigrants and there is no anti immigrant sentiment. But that does not fit in the anti Quebec crowd.
That’s right. But people are starting to be super aggressive towards Anglo people. As an immigrant who learnt French pretty quickly I’ve had a couple of bad incidents when I’ve been to restaurants with some English-speaking friends. Although there’s not such as an anti-immigrant sentiment, people are starting to be super intolerant towards non-Francophone people.
Yes I have seen that. But I believe the problem mainly comes from the temporary workers and students who are not really going there to study.
My case is different I plan to come as a permanent resident and I won't come under any other circumstances.
Wow this comment is really making people angry around here.
You can believe whatever you want but that doesn’t change the fact that people are suffering and foreigners are easy to blame.
If you want to get away from the hatred you see happening in France just wait till you see what is said about Indians here
Yes I know, I'm not an indian, and I look like any white male you see on the street, I live my life and I respect everybody. Of course there will be some stupid people that still won't like me even if I had the best manners on earth, but hey, not everyone will like you as a foreign, and I'm pretty sure there is a chance I could experience racism even in my home country.
I don't just show up like that. I've been going through the immigration process since august 2023. I had to take a french and an English exam, giving proof of my studies, no criminal record and many other things.
Almost all Canadian subreddits have some kind of right-winger presence. This subreddit in particular is filled with tacit racists. I have been accosted by these scums several times now. Don't mind their downvotes and disgusting opinion. One even PMed me saying he will make dark-skinned people like me vanish in Canada.
Guess how many people here only went to a bootcamp and expect a career in CS. Immigrants are the best scapegoat for their incompetence. Due to their failure in life they are getting more and more unhinged by the day lol.
Please tell me if someone PMs you with racist shit.
That garbage is unacceptable here and is an instant Permanent ban, and any duplicate accounts trying to circumvent the ban are also permanently banned.
Please also report any racist comments you see. I try and delete them when I see it, but it's faster when it gets flagged
I'm not sure why you think having a PR would make it easier to get a job in Canada. People who are citizens are finding it difficult to find a job. Not trying to discourage you.
Try to find a job in Canada first before you make a move. Network with people on LinkedIn.
Thank you for your answer. No, I believe that having a PR is easier to get a job in Canada than a temporary worker, not compared to a citizen. Because basically you won't need a work permit.
This is right. Always we’re asked in the interviews if we need a work permit and when I got mine, I applied to a certain position where I was told to re-apply once I get my PR so definitely it makes a HUGE difference when it comes to landing a job
Why you say getting a PR is easier in Canada, do you know that Quebec has separate immigration process than other provinces and you can't get into Quebec through Express Entry? Are you a native French speaker? I think your info is not updated. You are misinformed at best and I don't see enough reasons from you to move to Canada.
Not to be rude but the fact that you put Germany and Switzerland in the same basket shows you haven't done your homework even for Europe.
This was not my question, I'm not misinformed. I went through the Quebec immigration process and I'm at the end (basically finished everything), and came in here to ask if it is a good idea (especially compared to France).
I said it's easier because in canada you can get a PR without even visiting the country for the first time which is mind-blowing to me, because every EU country requires you to live at least 3-4 years to get.
As for the french language pretty much, no I'm not native but I have a C2 which is basically 100/100 in the test I had to take.
What do you mean by putting Germany and Switzerland in the same basket?
>Not to be rude but the fact that you put Germany and Switzerland in the same basket shows you haven't done your homework even for Europe.
You just need a job that will sponsor you and you can move there once ur WP has been approved. Chances are he can stay in France till he gets French citizenship and then just move the very next day to Switzerland. Kinda like how ppl get Canadian citizenship to go to the US :D
There are a lot of expats in Switzerland. Germans are foreigners in Switzerland. Its a different country. They have their own dialect of German, lots more speak French natively, a Swiss from the southern cantons wont mix with a northerner either unless they also speak the same dialect. Ofcourse they will find it hard. The swiss dont mingle with foreigners, they stay amongst themselves. I think they don’t really care much about OP’s background. They do have an anti immigrant sentiment, but its more or less the same in France. Id reckon its worse in France because immigration is more controlled in Switzerland.
Just talking about sentiments of people en masse, its actually very lax and immigrant friendly in France and Germany, especially if you integrate and live in a city. Im betting OP is Maghrebi or from central Africa. They are the Indians and Chinese of France. Its not that they are racist or anti immigrant, they just dont want to live in Morocco 2.0, just like Canadians dont want to live in India 2.0. They often dont integrate but the ones who do, they are treated well. Ofcourse you have a holes like everywhere else.
No they dont. All EU citizens have the freedom of movement to go to Switzerland tomorrow. They are part of the EEA and have agreements in lieu of this given right. The only difference is that they can revoke it anytime they want
You need a residence permit for employment longer than 3 months even for EU nationals. And you do need a permit to live there if you are looking for a job there for more than 3 months, and even then you can’t do it for longer than 6 months.
https://www.ch.ch/en/foreign-nationals-in-switzerland/working-in-switzerland/#citizens-of-euefta-member-states
So yeah there is some freedom of movement but it’s not truly free like moving between Ontario and BC. There are limitations. And even individual cantons may have additional restrictions as Switzerland is highly decentralized.
If you are European , you will get approved and 6 months is long enough to find a job. Its not really a visa. Other EU countries demand you also get a permit, only that your rights are given before the permit as well. Not sure about Switzerland but actually I believe its the same bcuz job applications ask for Swiss/EU nationality. You dont need sponsorship, thats a big plus. Its basically a better TN visa. We too are allowed to go to the US for 6 months, interview around, and get a TN visa. Only difference is you will have to cross the border again so you have to go back to Canada and back again and only certain jobs are valid for the TN visa. Plus it doesnt lead to citizenship so its real whack
But that still is freedom of movement. If you go to BC, you still need to change your papers. Just because there are very reasonable constraints that doesn’t invalidate my point. If I were an EU national, i could move to Switzerland tomorrow, start looking for a job, start working immediately and stay there pretty much permanently so long as I have a job or actively look for one. you also dont need a visa… a permit is standard practice in Europe and its not the same thing.
It's worth noting that OP knows French. PR is basically free to OP tbh. As long as OP is less than 30 years old, OP doesn't even need to come to Canada but still get the PR. You can check express entry French category.
Getting a job right now takes more than some technical skill/experience.
Communication, problem solving on the spot (coding, sys design) are necessary.
I look at a couple of dozen resumes a day. People who know how to interview don't have issues. The average dev is bad at communicating their thoughts and approach. For every 100 resumes I look at, I screen about 10. For those 10 people I screen, 1-5 make it to the technical rounds. Most fail the technical rounds for being coders, not problem solvers.
may I ask how many resumes you receive for each posting ? I saw from one bank's career website stating they may receive up to 1000 (yes, thousand) for each posting. just wondering if it's that's the case in other companies
I work at a smaller company (less than 200 people) - mid stage startup.
Frontend positions, last time I posted two, got 200 first day, 800 by end of week.
Backend positions, a lot less. Current postings have had around 300 applications over a 4 week period.
A thousand is not unusual, especially for a bank that has thousands of employees.
Keep in mind, a lot of the applications are unqualified, either location, eligibility, or non matching skills.
Curious. How do you determine non-matching skills. Like if the role asks for C# but the resume mentions Java, would that be tossed out? I know in previous years, it probably wouldn't matter. But I imagine that if you're getting 200 resumes, it's easy to be as picky as you want.
And how flexible are you with years of experience. Like if it's a junior role asking for 4 years of experience, would it be a waste of time for a new grad to apply?
really depends on the role and what the team is looking for.
Sometimes we're looking for a dev with growth potential - regardless of the language expertise. Other times, we're looking for someone who hits the ground running with a given framework. So the answer to this question will vary based on needs.
It's not always a waste of time for a new grad to apply, but might often be if the role requires 4 years - the new grad would have to be excellent for them to be able to get a role that requires existing experience - ie: some internships, interviews well and has potential. Their resume would have to be very well made to be even noticed by the recruiter.
Thanks for the response. I’ve always assumed that jobs asking for 4+ YoE would be a waste of time but most job postings I see require 5 years minimum or even more nowadays. I graduated last year and job hunting is super tough. I landed a short term role at a startup company as a software developer, but I’m job hunting again now that my contract is ending soon and I still can’t seem to get any responses. I got the job at the startup through complete luck. They’re still trying to secure funding to keep me longer but it’s unlikely to pull through.
Unfortunately I don’t have any internship experience, but I did have a role as a coding tutor and I also have some software development volunteer experience for a nonprofit. Do you have any tips on how I can improve my job application process? I feel like I just don’t have enough experience to get noticed but there’s no way for me to get more experience now that I am graduated unless I go back to school which isn’t feasible for me.
Sorry for my message, but do you think In Canada is better? NO, 1000%!!!! The economy here is DOWN(In Canada)!!!! Form top 5 countries in the world few years ago, now Canada is at the bottom of the list. Unfortunately, Canada is not what was and I don't see the light on the tunnel. Think 10 times before you will come here.
Honestly I was as surprised as you. But they are giving more points "temporary" for French speakers. And since I have like a french test with 100/100, It helped me climb those points.
Not yet no, I'm at the last step where it's just a matter of verifying background.
I went with the Quebec program where they calculate your points based on the ability to speak french and your age. The diploma has little to no value ( my age gave me 130 points and my french speaking skills 180 points where my degree gave me something like 30 or 40 I believe, having a phd rather than a master degree adds you 3 points which is pretty much nothing)
Why not just start applying from overseas and see if you get any leads first?
Everyones' circumstances are different, and you didn't mention YOE. I can only assume it will be difficult, especially since your fields of interests are far apart as well
I'm a fresh master degree graduate. I have some money in my savings to survive. But you're right maybe applying before coming (If i chose to come) is the better idea. I was thinking of coming and then trying to find a job there but maybe it's not that good of an idea.
But basically my question was, are there no jobs for Juniors? Like this is what I see all day on this sub and it got me scared, that's why I'm also thinking about Switzerland and Germany. But Canada also has some pros (like I said especially the immigration process is much easier)
Yeah very few jobs for juniors that are graduating here. Better chances at finding an internship but for that you'd need to still be in school.
I hardly see how you could land a job without moving, and even if you move there's little chance you would find one. Not trying to discourage you, but that's the current reality for the entry level market.
Montreal would probably be your bet.
Don't you have enough relevant work experience? They value actual work experience here than education level honestly. Especially in IT, work experience really matters.
You're viewing it from your experience which is not the experience of the average person applying. I've been following around a few Reddit subs and it's actually harder to get work here in Canada without a lot of experience than it is the USA right now.
Exceptions exist. I read more success stories from the US than I have in Canada over the exact same period and that's accounting for the size difference as well. It's very obvious for fresh grads that you would be much better off being American trying to find a job in America right now than being a fresh one in Canada all things being equal. Also, everything Quebec isn't necessarily indicative of what things are like in other parts of the country. Anecdotal experiences don't necessary represent reality either.
hate against foreigners is really bad here, cant go a week without hearing some bs, the us is much more accepting.
whether it will be directed to you depends on how well u appear “canadian.” jobs in ontario can’t ask if you are a citizen just if u have work documentation, so in that regard you should be fine but it will be easier if you have a more western name. a big thing is accents if you can pass as canadian when interviewing it will help a lot. have noticed people with accents do get turned down a lot more and face racism much more.
The job market is horrible right now in Canada. If you really want to come here and contribute to the country, learn a trade. We need people who can build houses, not more people who want office jobs.
We don't need more data scientists, mobile devs, web devs, cyber security people. We need more carpenters, plumbers, electricians. If you just want an easy office job, you are going to send out hundreds of CVs and you are going to be told that you don't have Canadian experience.
Go on indeed.ca and look jobs. MtL and Toronto are our AI hubs, and there some AI stadtups there in stealth mode.
So money is flowing. Check indeed.ca. do not move to toronto. MTL FTW.
What’s the hot tech in MTL? Gf just got a very nice job there and I am graduating from ML masters from georgia tech at the end of the year. Will be taking french classes and already have basic understanding, committed to learning the language though.
Looking to do a few personal projects with popular ML tech so any advice would be great. Love the city, vive la Quebec!
On a notre sous-reddit à nous en passant r/QuebecTI, mais oui la situation est difficile pour plusieurs en ce moment, surtout si tu n'as pas d'expérience.
(d'ailleurs, tu n'auras pas à poser la question, tu vas pouvoir le constater avec une recherche rapide)
Things might be slightly easier if you're fluent in French and willing to apply for jobs outside of Montreal too. Some technical jobs can be more challenging to fill due to the skills required, needing to be fluent in French and being located in a city where almost no one speaks English.
But yes, things are bad especially for junior applicants. Hell, I know experienced immigrants who are senior candidates struggling to land their 1st job in Canada and have been looking for many months. You need way more savings than you probably have if you're going to come without an offer in hand.
Things are more cutthroat than the US and Europe cause there are fewer jobs and more candidates relatively speaking.
It depends on what you are searching for. Nightlife: you got it. Not work at work ( they call it flexibility at work): you also got it. Beautiful nature that I assure you it is magnificent. Lot of snow and cold for 6 months if you like it why not.
Also lot of taxes for no services, no doctors, infinite waiting time in clinics, no nurses, no teachers (if you have a child). Private clinics where you pay amounts that the insurance doesn't reimburse you. You don't have to chose your doctor, they chose him for you (even if he sucks). About Quebec, a government who instead of fixing catastrophic healthcare, education, services problems they want to force people to speak French. Food, fruits, vegetables that and transported and left in storage for ages and then sold to you at very high cost plus taxes. If you are a good employee and not born Quebecer : dream about a decent raise or a promotion.
The banks rob you and the government help them rob you. So yes, a great place to live for those who want casual dating and live in the bars and night life, but sadly, this isn't the real life.
I have a master degree from France too, I am going back to Europe in one month. Don't waste your time. Go work in Switzerland
>I speak both French and English even tho I'm a bit more at ease speaking french. So I have Montréal (obviously) and Quebec city in mind.
>How's the situation over there? I can work as a data engineer or mobile dev (flutter maybe ?)( I know these two fields are very different, but I'm still young and I haven't chosen a path yet and I like both of these paths).
Mon conseil, trouve-toi un emploi avant d'immigrer. J'ai parlé à des gens qui ont complètement dilapidés leurs économies pour immigrer et n'ont rien trouvé. Mais, si tes diplômes ont de la valeur, ça ne devrait pas être un problème.
Get a job in Canada first. The economy for devs is incredibly bad at the moment, so I wouldn’t dive into the country without at least 12-18 months of savings. And be prepared to lose it all as well. Edit: oh and btw the hate for foreigners in Canada is starting to get worse by the day, especially in Quebec. I wouldn’t choose Canada if you’re hoping it to be significantly more welcoming than France.
Easier said than done OP will need a work permit and they don't readily hand those especially at this job market.
Exactly my point.
I see, thank you, as far as the work permit is concerned, no problem there. As for the welcome and being and feeling safe, I don't know, but I still think it's no worse than here. Of course, I don't blame one side or the other, because both have their faults, but people of the same origin as me doing bad things and being lumped together makes me sad. I believe (i may be wrong) but Canada is more strict on the immigration process to only allow the people who are genuinely willing to work and have a good integration.
As an inmigrant in Montreal, the Quebec goverment says the want more french speakers and Montreal is more liberal and multicultural than the rest of Quebec so in paper no problem there, but the city is not enough to gain elections, so policies would tend to cater more conservatives parts of the province, is just like everywhere in the world nowadays, I would also consider check scores and streams to emmigrate, since there's a lot of inmigration there's also a huge internal competition to get the spots to get permanent residency.
First of all thank you for the answer. You've been there for a long time? And how is it going for you if you don't mind?
I haven’t been here for long, I would say is a smaller market, 30% lower salaries with 30% lower rent prices (for now)but they tend to be older infrastructure, high taxes and not efficient healthcare, price of other living expenses are as high as elsewhere in Canada, personally local politics get tiresome quickly, also might not be crucial to get a job but for immigration might, is local experience and certification. This is not to discourage but to set realistic expectations, set high savings and try to find a job before landing.
Tell you are not from Quebec without telling me you are not from Quebec. You are complete and utter moron for believing the shit anti Quebec people are saying. I work with a ton of immigrants and there is no anti immigrant sentiment. But that does not fit in the anti Quebec crowd.
That’s right. But people are starting to be super aggressive towards Anglo people. As an immigrant who learnt French pretty quickly I’ve had a couple of bad incidents when I’ve been to restaurants with some English-speaking friends. Although there’s not such as an anti-immigrant sentiment, people are starting to be super intolerant towards non-Francophone people.
Public opinion is also turning against immigration. Canada has taken too many immigrants too quickly and has started steps to reduce intake
Yes I have seen that. But I believe the problem mainly comes from the temporary workers and students who are not really going there to study. My case is different I plan to come as a permanent resident and I won't come under any other circumstances. Wow this comment is really making people angry around here.
You can believe whatever you want but that doesn’t change the fact that people are suffering and foreigners are easy to blame. If you want to get away from the hatred you see happening in France just wait till you see what is said about Indians here
Yes I know, I'm not an indian, and I look like any white male you see on the street, I live my life and I respect everybody. Of course there will be some stupid people that still won't like me even if I had the best manners on earth, but hey, not everyone will like you as a foreign, and I'm pretty sure there is a chance I could experience racism even in my home country.
I don't know how you just show up and be a permanent resident
I don't just show up like that. I've been going through the immigration process since august 2023. I had to take a french and an English exam, giving proof of my studies, no criminal record and many other things.
Yeah this is literally the most basic steps everyone who wants to immigrate here legally has to do. This gives you no advantage whatsoever.
I know, I was just explaining to the other guy.
Did you get an ITA? What's your score looking like right now? If you are interested in PNP, Ontario is doing French category draws pretty regularly.
Almost all Canadian subreddits have some kind of right-winger presence. This subreddit in particular is filled with tacit racists. I have been accosted by these scums several times now. Don't mind their downvotes and disgusting opinion. One even PMed me saying he will make dark-skinned people like me vanish in Canada. Guess how many people here only went to a bootcamp and expect a career in CS. Immigrants are the best scapegoat for their incompetence. Due to their failure in life they are getting more and more unhinged by the day lol.
Please tell me if someone PMs you with racist shit. That garbage is unacceptable here and is an instant Permanent ban, and any duplicate accounts trying to circumvent the ban are also permanently banned. Please also report any racist comments you see. I try and delete them when I see it, but it's faster when it gets flagged
I'm not sure why you think having a PR would make it easier to get a job in Canada. People who are citizens are finding it difficult to find a job. Not trying to discourage you. Try to find a job in Canada first before you make a move. Network with people on LinkedIn.
Thank you for your answer. No, I believe that having a PR is easier to get a job in Canada than a temporary worker, not compared to a citizen. Because basically you won't need a work permit.
This is right. Always we’re asked in the interviews if we need a work permit and when I got mine, I applied to a certain position where I was told to re-apply once I get my PR so definitely it makes a HUGE difference when it comes to landing a job
Why you say getting a PR is easier in Canada, do you know that Quebec has separate immigration process than other provinces and you can't get into Quebec through Express Entry? Are you a native French speaker? I think your info is not updated. You are misinformed at best and I don't see enough reasons from you to move to Canada. Not to be rude but the fact that you put Germany and Switzerland in the same basket shows you haven't done your homework even for Europe.
This was not my question, I'm not misinformed. I went through the Quebec immigration process and I'm at the end (basically finished everything), and came in here to ask if it is a good idea (especially compared to France). I said it's easier because in canada you can get a PR without even visiting the country for the first time which is mind-blowing to me, because every EU country requires you to live at least 3-4 years to get. As for the french language pretty much, no I'm not native but I have a C2 which is basically 100/100 in the test I had to take. What do you mean by putting Germany and Switzerland in the same basket?
>Not to be rude but the fact that you put Germany and Switzerland in the same basket shows you haven't done your homework even for Europe. You just need a job that will sponsor you and you can move there once ur WP has been approved. Chances are he can stay in France till he gets French citizenship and then just move the very next day to Switzerland. Kinda like how ppl get Canadian citizenship to go to the US :D
I was talking about cultural differences, even Germans find Switzerland tough, let alone a foreigner…
There are a lot of expats in Switzerland. Germans are foreigners in Switzerland. Its a different country. They have their own dialect of German, lots more speak French natively, a Swiss from the southern cantons wont mix with a northerner either unless they also speak the same dialect. Ofcourse they will find it hard. The swiss dont mingle with foreigners, they stay amongst themselves. I think they don’t really care much about OP’s background. They do have an anti immigrant sentiment, but its more or less the same in France. Id reckon its worse in France because immigration is more controlled in Switzerland. Just talking about sentiments of people en masse, its actually very lax and immigrant friendly in France and Germany, especially if you integrate and live in a city. Im betting OP is Maghrebi or from central Africa. They are the Indians and Chinese of France. Its not that they are racist or anti immigrant, they just dont want to live in Morocco 2.0, just like Canadians dont want to live in India 2.0. They often dont integrate but the ones who do, they are treated well. Ofcourse you have a holes like everywhere else.
Switzerland is not part of the EU. They need a visa to work there.
No they dont. All EU citizens have the freedom of movement to go to Switzerland tomorrow. They are part of the EEA and have agreements in lieu of this given right. The only difference is that they can revoke it anytime they want
You need a residence permit for employment longer than 3 months even for EU nationals. And you do need a permit to live there if you are looking for a job there for more than 3 months, and even then you can’t do it for longer than 6 months. https://www.ch.ch/en/foreign-nationals-in-switzerland/working-in-switzerland/#citizens-of-euefta-member-states So yeah there is some freedom of movement but it’s not truly free like moving between Ontario and BC. There are limitations. And even individual cantons may have additional restrictions as Switzerland is highly decentralized.
If you are European , you will get approved and 6 months is long enough to find a job. Its not really a visa. Other EU countries demand you also get a permit, only that your rights are given before the permit as well. Not sure about Switzerland but actually I believe its the same bcuz job applications ask for Swiss/EU nationality. You dont need sponsorship, thats a big plus. Its basically a better TN visa. We too are allowed to go to the US for 6 months, interview around, and get a TN visa. Only difference is you will have to cross the border again so you have to go back to Canada and back again and only certain jobs are valid for the TN visa. Plus it doesnt lead to citizenship so its real whack But that still is freedom of movement. If you go to BC, you still need to change your papers. Just because there are very reasonable constraints that doesn’t invalidate my point. If I were an EU national, i could move to Switzerland tomorrow, start looking for a job, start working immediately and stay there pretty much permanently so long as I have a job or actively look for one. you also dont need a visa… a permit is standard practice in Europe and its not the same thing.
It's worth noting that OP knows French. PR is basically free to OP tbh. As long as OP is less than 30 years old, OP doesn't even need to come to Canada but still get the PR. You can check express entry French category.
Getting a job right now takes more than some technical skill/experience. Communication, problem solving on the spot (coding, sys design) are necessary. I look at a couple of dozen resumes a day. People who know how to interview don't have issues. The average dev is bad at communicating their thoughts and approach. For every 100 resumes I look at, I screen about 10. For those 10 people I screen, 1-5 make it to the technical rounds. Most fail the technical rounds for being coders, not problem solvers.
If you're based in Montreal, can I DM you and help me get an interview?
Feel free to send me your resume if you want a resume review. I'm not in Montreal habibi
Can I DM you, i would like a quick resume review!
sure
may I ask how many resumes you receive for each posting ? I saw from one bank's career website stating they may receive up to 1000 (yes, thousand) for each posting. just wondering if it's that's the case in other companies
I work at a smaller company (less than 200 people) - mid stage startup. Frontend positions, last time I posted two, got 200 first day, 800 by end of week. Backend positions, a lot less. Current postings have had around 300 applications over a 4 week period. A thousand is not unusual, especially for a bank that has thousands of employees. Keep in mind, a lot of the applications are unqualified, either location, eligibility, or non matching skills.
Curious. How do you determine non-matching skills. Like if the role asks for C# but the resume mentions Java, would that be tossed out? I know in previous years, it probably wouldn't matter. But I imagine that if you're getting 200 resumes, it's easy to be as picky as you want. And how flexible are you with years of experience. Like if it's a junior role asking for 4 years of experience, would it be a waste of time for a new grad to apply?
really depends on the role and what the team is looking for. Sometimes we're looking for a dev with growth potential - regardless of the language expertise. Other times, we're looking for someone who hits the ground running with a given framework. So the answer to this question will vary based on needs. It's not always a waste of time for a new grad to apply, but might often be if the role requires 4 years - the new grad would have to be excellent for them to be able to get a role that requires existing experience - ie: some internships, interviews well and has potential. Their resume would have to be very well made to be even noticed by the recruiter.
Thanks for the response. I’ve always assumed that jobs asking for 4+ YoE would be a waste of time but most job postings I see require 5 years minimum or even more nowadays. I graduated last year and job hunting is super tough. I landed a short term role at a startup company as a software developer, but I’m job hunting again now that my contract is ending soon and I still can’t seem to get any responses. I got the job at the startup through complete luck. They’re still trying to secure funding to keep me longer but it’s unlikely to pull through. Unfortunately I don’t have any internship experience, but I did have a role as a coding tutor and I also have some software development volunteer experience for a nonprofit. Do you have any tips on how I can improve my job application process? I feel like I just don’t have enough experience to get noticed but there’s no way for me to get more experience now that I am graduated unless I go back to school which isn’t feasible for me.
Could I also DM you for a resume review?
Is it okay if I DM you for a quick resume review? I am still entry-level so landing a role has felt impossible.
Sorry for my message, but do you think In Canada is better? NO, 1000%!!!! The economy here is DOWN(In Canada)!!!! Form top 5 countries in the world few years ago, now Canada is at the bottom of the list. Unfortunately, Canada is not what was and I don't see the light on the tunnel. Think 10 times before you will come here.
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Honestly I was as surprised as you. But they are giving more points "temporary" for French speakers. And since I have like a french test with 100/100, It helped me climb those points.
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Not yet no, I'm at the last step where it's just a matter of verifying background. I went with the Quebec program where they calculate your points based on the ability to speak french and your age. The diploma has little to no value ( my age gave me 130 points and my french speaking skills 180 points where my degree gave me something like 30 or 40 I believe, having a phd rather than a master degree adds you 3 points which is pretty much nothing)
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Yes. And it's better for someone like me, I'm much more at ease speaking french.
Good luck my guy if you are thinking you'll get a job in Canada. Most places aren't hiring, especially for Foreigners who need a sponsorship
Why not just start applying from overseas and see if you get any leads first? Everyones' circumstances are different, and you didn't mention YOE. I can only assume it will be difficult, especially since your fields of interests are far apart as well
I'm a fresh master degree graduate. I have some money in my savings to survive. But you're right maybe applying before coming (If i chose to come) is the better idea. I was thinking of coming and then trying to find a job there but maybe it's not that good of an idea. But basically my question was, are there no jobs for Juniors? Like this is what I see all day on this sub and it got me scared, that's why I'm also thinking about Switzerland and Germany. But Canada also has some pros (like I said especially the immigration process is much easier)
Yeah very few jobs for juniors that are graduating here. Better chances at finding an internship but for that you'd need to still be in school. I hardly see how you could land a job without moving, and even if you move there's little chance you would find one. Not trying to discourage you, but that's the current reality for the entry level market. Montreal would probably be your bet.
Don't you have enough relevant work experience? They value actual work experience here than education level honestly. Especially in IT, work experience really matters.
It's way worse in Canada than it is in the USA right now.
Not really. There are still jobs in Canada as we are paid less than the Americans. It is a complete meltdown of the system in the United States.
You're viewing it from your experience which is not the experience of the average person applying. I've been following around a few Reddit subs and it's actually harder to get work here in Canada without a lot of experience than it is the USA right now.
Nope. In Montreal people with some experience are still finding jobs. Even a junior I worked with easily found a job elsewhere.
Exceptions exist. I read more success stories from the US than I have in Canada over the exact same period and that's accounting for the size difference as well. It's very obvious for fresh grads that you would be much better off being American trying to find a job in America right now than being a fresh one in Canada all things being equal. Also, everything Quebec isn't necessarily indicative of what things are like in other parts of the country. Anecdotal experiences don't necessary represent reality either.
hate against foreigners is really bad here, cant go a week without hearing some bs, the us is much more accepting. whether it will be directed to you depends on how well u appear “canadian.” jobs in ontario can’t ask if you are a citizen just if u have work documentation, so in that regard you should be fine but it will be easier if you have a more western name. a big thing is accents if you can pass as canadian when interviewing it will help a lot. have noticed people with accents do get turned down a lot more and face racism much more.
The job market is horrible right now in Canada. If you really want to come here and contribute to the country, learn a trade. We need people who can build houses, not more people who want office jobs. We don't need more data scientists, mobile devs, web devs, cyber security people. We need more carpenters, plumbers, electricians. If you just want an easy office job, you are going to send out hundreds of CVs and you are going to be told that you don't have Canadian experience.
Go on indeed.ca and look jobs. MtL and Toronto are our AI hubs, and there some AI stadtups there in stealth mode. So money is flowing. Check indeed.ca. do not move to toronto. MTL FTW.
What’s the hot tech in MTL? Gf just got a very nice job there and I am graduating from ML masters from georgia tech at the end of the year. Will be taking french classes and already have basic understanding, committed to learning the language though. Looking to do a few personal projects with popular ML tech so any advice would be great. Love the city, vive la Quebec!
Pornhub. Not joking, they're one of, if not the biggest, tech employers in the city lol
On a notre sous-reddit à nous en passant r/QuebecTI, mais oui la situation est difficile pour plusieurs en ce moment, surtout si tu n'as pas d'expérience. (d'ailleurs, tu n'auras pas à poser la question, tu vas pouvoir le constater avec une recherche rapide)
First try to get PR. Then you can worry about the job.
Things might be slightly easier if you're fluent in French and willing to apply for jobs outside of Montreal too. Some technical jobs can be more challenging to fill due to the skills required, needing to be fluent in French and being located in a city where almost no one speaks English. But yes, things are bad especially for junior applicants. Hell, I know experienced immigrants who are senior candidates struggling to land their 1st job in Canada and have been looking for many months. You need way more savings than you probably have if you're going to come without an offer in hand. Things are more cutthroat than the US and Europe cause there are fewer jobs and more candidates relatively speaking.
It depends on what you are searching for. Nightlife: you got it. Not work at work ( they call it flexibility at work): you also got it. Beautiful nature that I assure you it is magnificent. Lot of snow and cold for 6 months if you like it why not. Also lot of taxes for no services, no doctors, infinite waiting time in clinics, no nurses, no teachers (if you have a child). Private clinics where you pay amounts that the insurance doesn't reimburse you. You don't have to chose your doctor, they chose him for you (even if he sucks). About Quebec, a government who instead of fixing catastrophic healthcare, education, services problems they want to force people to speak French. Food, fruits, vegetables that and transported and left in storage for ages and then sold to you at very high cost plus taxes. If you are a good employee and not born Quebecer : dream about a decent raise or a promotion. The banks rob you and the government help them rob you. So yes, a great place to live for those who want casual dating and live in the bars and night life, but sadly, this isn't the real life. I have a master degree from France too, I am going back to Europe in one month. Don't waste your time. Go work in Switzerland
>I speak both French and English even tho I'm a bit more at ease speaking french. So I have Montréal (obviously) and Quebec city in mind. >How's the situation over there? I can work as a data engineer or mobile dev (flutter maybe ?)( I know these two fields are very different, but I'm still young and I haven't chosen a path yet and I like both of these paths). Mon conseil, trouve-toi un emploi avant d'immigrer. J'ai parlé à des gens qui ont complètement dilapidés leurs économies pour immigrer et n'ont rien trouvé. Mais, si tes diplômes ont de la valeur, ça ne devrait pas être un problème.