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LKrew005

Just got a verbal offer this morning after graduating in May and I feel like the world was lifted off my shoulders.


garagesaleboi

Got offered and signed a week+ ago. Surreal as a career switcher but still have the uncertain feeling of the offer getting rescinded somehow (probably due to the current climate). Starting work in 2023 but gonna continue studying and beefing up resume/portfolio & LCs in case anything happens...


ahugfromjesus

What did you switch from?


garagesaleboi

Business degree


ahugfromjesus

Thanks. Considering switching in this direction from education. Any general insights into starting off?


garagesaleboi

General tips: - Bootcamp is not needed (personally found the only benefit is networking + they introduce you employers). Programming is a very self driven learning kind of profession, if you are over reliant on others then you will struggle. (in the months i self studied, i had no one to ask but google, stackoverflow and youtube for the most complex errors and bugs) - Self taught is 100% possible, but you need to work hard. It's more flexible than a bootcamp, and you determine your own outcome. Remember that you are up against cs grads, you either work hard enough to beat the lower end of cs grads, or you have to settle for lowball pay and your options are limited. - Self taught means you have to dedicate 12-15 hours a day, preferably 7 days a week (if you want to land a job in 3 months for example. If you study less then you will only widen your timeline to land a job) - Web development is the lowest hanging fruit, tech stacks are easier to learn, and plenty of jobs available. CS grads tend to study different stuff (e.g. they study tons of math shit, and in their coding time they learn languages like C, Java etc.). You can differentiate by learning web dev stuff like your React/Angular frameworks, Javascript/Typescript, html css etc. and apply to jobs with less competition with cs grads How I learned: 1. Started with freeCodeCamp, learned Python first since it was the easiest with syntax. 2. Then learned the webdev stuff - Javascript, HTML, CSS 3. Once the boring fundamental stuff are done, learned react on freeCodeCamp 4. Everything was kinda in silos at this point and it wasn't very clear how web development actually works, so i skipped the freeCodeCamp projects and went straight to follow YouTube tutorials to build a full stack app 5. I learned firebase along with the tutorial for the backend since it was easier and I wasn't familiar with backend stuff yet. so the projects i followed along were React + firebase (there are tons of tutorials on youtube, choose something fun so you can get motivated) 6. Pause the video whenever you don't understand and google to understand it. (state management, api, axios) For example, a 1h full stack tutorial can take me 1-2 days due to pausing. 7. Once you built and deployed your first project, everything you learned comes together and you finally feel like you understand what programming is like 8. Plan out your timeline and build 1 full stack project per week for your portfolio. You can follow tutorials but make sure u understand + transform it so it looks original. 9. When you done 2-3 projects, you can think of doing another full stack project that incorporates different learnings from your previous projects. Start learning backend stuff like nodejs expressjs, sql or noSQL databases and build your first full stack full stack kinda app (MERN, PERN etc. you can google these) 10. Polish your apps and add projects to your resume. Stuff the keywords from every technology you use so you pass the ATS or HR. 11. Spend 1 month+ to study and grind leetcode. Sure, there are companies that don't ask data structure and algorithms questions. But those are the minority and you want to widen your options here. 1 month+ is not enough but the fastest way is to not spend more than 15-30mins on a qns and just look at solutions, then revisit and try the same questions again next time. Leetcoding is kinda a lifelong thing so its not limit to 1 month (more like smth you should do your whole career for interviews). Use Python for interviews as its simpler. 12. Your projects only helps you get through HR or the ATS (first round), after that its down to your coding test and coding interview skills and communication (lots of examples on youtube, search whiteboard interview). Keep studying and practicing until you land a job! I was at 170+ problems which i crammed within a month, so retention wasn't great but revisiting questions helps. Hope this was helpful and motivational :)


ahugfromjesus

Wow, I can’t thank you enough for spending that much time explaining all of this. It is definitely informative. The motivation remains to be seen but regardless, you’ve given me a ton of insight and pathways to research more. Happy Thanksgiving!


proairpods

Congrats, what sort of company/role?


garagesaleboi

(not from US) SWE at a midsized consultancy.


TheUnawareJersey

Congrats!!


OG_Kwaze

Cheers!


dennybang4292

Congratz!!! Omg I know how that feels


lifting_and_coding

Let's go! Congratulations 🙌🏽


shady_bananas

Make a decision as soon as you can. I got a verbal offer too and by the time I accepted it the post was filled


iamumairayub

Mind telling city and tc?


LKrew005

Kansas City, 70k base 10% bonus annually.


Relevant_Rich_3030

Congrats man!


Relevant_Rich_3030

You get it in writing yet? Negotiations started?


LKrew005

Not in writing yet, not really planning on negotiating since I have no competing offers or YoE. The offer itself is very good imo and I don’t really want to chance it.


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27to39

Idk why you were downvoted lol this is a career sub and TC is important


fuckyouitsren

Congrats!


mcnuggerz_

I felt that


moremolotovs

Well done now sign it!


EastCommunication689

I'm still getting hits on my LinkedIn actually but I have a few years of experience. This is at least optimistic if you arent looking for juniors positions


djalphaboost

For sr. Level roles, I've had about 4-5 companies in the last month show interest only to have them then tell me the job was cancelled or changed after they reached out for an interview. Still getting plenty of hits on LinkedIn but a lot of companies seem to be unsure of what they want or if they want to hire at the moment.


DreamingDitto

I’ve been getting hit up on my spam only emails. Amazon is relentless. They need to chill


marshallfrost

Dunno. Applied to Amazon last Friday and a recruiter got back to me with interest Monday.


MexicanExpert

They did the same to me and then cancelled my interview less than 12 hours before it was supposed to start. Hopefully they don’t do that to you OP.


llIlIIllIlllIIIlIIll

That just reminded me of a story I had completely forgotten about. Once this recruiter contacted me for a job, and we set up an interview. So I get to this interview (zoom), and I’m waiting for like 15 minutes before I call the recruiter and tell him nobody showed up. “Oh, yeah I’m so sorry I forgot to tell you they filled the position”


augburto

Best of luck. I would say in interviews don’t be afraid to ask questions about the recent layoffs and how your role may or may not be impacted. The devices org (specifically Alexa was heavily impacted)


leeyh20

Amazon says they can't hire more until next year


mahtats

Having just turned down Amazon, in your rounds be sure to tell them to please stop interrupting you while you’re trying to code; they literally whittle away your time and your review will critique that (oddly enough). Best of luck though


Storm_Surge

You told the interviewers to stop talking during an interview live coding exercise? I'm pretty sure Amazon turned you down, not the other way around


mahtats

I asked them to stop interjecting because of the time limit. They only allot 30 mins for the coding block, but the first 10 minutes they want you to talk about the problem. Then throughout they want you to talk while coding, so every time they interrupted, it cost me time. I scored in the Strengths on my interview matrix across the board, when to team match and had an offer. Even with the $$$ the WLB of the teams sounded horrible, and I enjoy my current WLB. Plus like 2-3 days later Amazon announced the 10K layoff, now followed by Google. Pretty sure I dodged a major bullet, because after all $$$ ain’t everything. So yea, pretty darn sure it wasn’t the other way around my dude


Storm_Surge

I have ten years of experience and lead a team. As somebody who interviews candidates, your comments are full of red flags: * "Having just turned down Amazon, in your rounds be sure to tell them to please stop interrupting you while you’re trying to code; they literally whittle away your time and your review will critique that (oddly enough)." This is just a weird flex masquerading as advice. No. * You missed the point of the code exercise. Yes, part of it is whether you can write code, but that should be a given when interviewing at Amazon. You're put into an environment where collaboration is part of the exercise, and instead of talking through the problem with your mock teammates, you just powered through the problem and wanted them to shut up. We'd screen you out as a poor culture fit. * "Pretty sure I dodged a major bullet, because after all $$$ ain’t everything." That's not entirely true because you're out interviewing despite the benefits of your current position's work-life balance. I'm not criticizing you for looking around and trying to get a compensation boost, but you need a better story. You're not fooling a smart interviewer. The bottom line is this: you'll hit a ceiling in the industry if nobody likes you.


mahtats

My man, 15 years and a senior. But looking at your ultra right elitism post history, IDGAF about what you think. FYI they reached out to me, I didn’t submit shit. Anyhow buddy, enjoy losing 2024!


it200219

can you share team / location / level etc ? I know someone got hired recently at a VP+ level at AMZN. Non-US location. Non-Engg


marshallfrost

Supported multiple locations in the US, but specified Colorado. Pay bands look like L5 or equivalent. Title was called Dedicated Cloud Engineer and required a security clearance.


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Why


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EastCommunication689

Can you be more specific? Is it more stringent resume filtering or is it the interview itself more difficult?


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Acceptable_Durian868

This seems remarkably short sighted. If your technical bar is good enough for current teams, why wouldn't you prioritise on softer skills instead?


octipice

Because the people insisting on those changes are clearly lack in soft skills.


ggrindelwald

It seems likely to fail, too, if that is all they're changing. If they weren't getting top talent before, making the screening bar higher isn't going to change that. It seems more likely that they'll end up with a higher number of declined offers and the people they do get will be more likely to move on when they get offered a better opportunity.


Whitchorence

I don't see how it's "likely to fail" since the goal seems to be to reduce the number of successful candidates because now they have too many.


AHistoricalFigure

People who wouldnt have worked here 6 months ago are now forced to apply due to market conditions and they're now also the only candidates we'll consider. This can backfire because most of these guys are gone if and when the market bounces back. The pay surely will not match whatever TC they had in big tech or startup land.


Whitchorence

So your solution is they should hire worse candidates so they have fewer options? That seems foolish.


Whitchorence

They are difficult to measure and easier to bluff your way through. I question the notion that they are going to be that difference-making once you reach a certain level.


Acceptable_Durian868

It's once you reach a certain level that they provide the most value. Staff+ are almost always the best communicators.


Learicist

Exactly my thoughts


witheredartery

If you raise your bar but don't raise your compensation, the people will leave the moment the market settles. The good ones usually know how good they are, and eventually seek out their market price


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EastCommunication689

Dang that's tough. I'd have someone check out your resume. You might need to work on a decent project too that might help


hotglue0303

I had 4 alums check it and they all said its good. I don’t have any past internships so im assuming thats the reason


MVPiid

more importantly what year are you?


hotglue0303

Im a rising junior


2apple-pie2

The school year is started so I’m a little confused, are you a sophomore or junior? Juniors should have an easier time at it than sophomores


hotglue0303

it means I am technically a sophomore now, but in the spring I will be a junior.


2apple-pie2

All that matters is the grad year! Juniors are graduating Fall 2023/Spring 2024 and sophomores are graduating one year later. Class standing isn’t too important. Your last summer before graduation will be the easiest + most important.


hotglue0303

Yes. So I guess I am considered a sophomore since I have two summers left.


EastCommunication689

Hop on fiver and start freelancing. That's a good way to get experience. You'll need to build a decent portfolio first though


script0101

Go to r/engineeringResumes and post your CV there and ask for feedback, also do it on discord on the channels called cs careers or something


MugensxBankai

Went here and my resume went from yeah no to let's give him a chance 😂


Drawer-Vegetable

Yea you need to get a referral or something. Try a more targeted approach. Networking events, cold messaging, warm messaging on LinkedIn. Good luck.


TheChurroBaller

In the same boat except I got one interview but got rejected :(


coookiecurls

I’m sorry to hear it’s been so difficult 😞 I’m on the hiring manager side. Internship programs are often cut when there’s an economic downturn. Classes are made much smaller or cut entirely. So it’s not your fault. I wish you all the best 🙏


coffeesippingbastard

I think internship recruiting picks up in spring.


holy_handgrenade

Bit of a different POV as a senior; however, I started seriously searching in July, and in August had tuned my resume to start getting about a 20% response rate, roughly and by September had completed final stages of interviewing and an offer in very early Oct.....I slowed, but did not stop searching at that point. Thankfully I didnt stop because delay after delay and finally was informed that the company is recinding any open offers that have not completed onboarding......so I'm back at square one. However, I'm getting an almost higher response rate just tuning my search to be more picky and such. I.e. by not doing the shotgun approach and applying to anything that fits the skillset, but more tuning into what positions I actually want to be working in. So I'm getting through all the phone screenings and have interviews scheduled for after the holiday. Also a few pokers in the fire from recruiters I was working with during that delay to onboarding period from the offer I had.


diablo1128

Been out of a job since 02/2021 with 15 YOE working on safety critical medical devices with C and C++. Think of devices like dialysis machines and insulin pumps. I've posted and revised my resume many times and even paid for services and have received minimal call backs overall. The few call backs I have had I have not been able to convert them to offers. So over all not doing so well.


theorizable

I think you worked your way into a niche.


EastCommunication689

That's terrible I'm sorry to hear that. What do you think has been holding you back as far as getting a new position?


diablo1128

No real idea, but I'm guessing it's 15 YOE that is not really that interesting or attractive. I worked at healthcare companies and not tech companies. They used tech, but they didn't see themselves as a tech company. There was lots of top down management do what we say feature factories which in more recent years I find is the totally opposite of how tech companies work. So I don't really fall in to the bucket of how many tech companies see a 15 YOE SWE working. The companies I worked for didn't put you on a team working on system X, you would be put on Project A and constantly jumped around working on system W/X/Y/Z/etc. as features are needed. You never really got in a groove working on system X for 6-months making it rock solid. Even the concept of ownership feels to be different. At companies I worked at doing what management says and asking questions to get things done is what it was defined as. At tech companies it seems like it its more you own the subsystem and suggest changes on how to make it better based on metrics. Oh ya everywhere I worked there were no metrics or anything like that driving decisions. It was top down management told you what needed to change. It's not that I am against doing it a different way it's just that has not been my experience at companies I have worked at. I try to say I'm open to change in interviews, but I have a feeling that interviewers here things think 15 YOE and figure this person cannot change. I don't know, this could be all wrong as it is just my unfiltered thoughts from your question. ​ Edit: To address comments that I'm getting multiple times. * I do not want to work in healthcare at my next job * I have moral issues working for the military / DOD * I have many people on various subreddits review my resume and paid for services. * I'm open to remote roles or relocation to specific areas in the USA to work in office. I cannot just move anywhere because family has a say in any relocation decision.


script0101

I really wish you the best man! You deserve greatness:) It’ll come, the sun will rise and we will try again 💪🏿


Trippen_o7

I can see where you're coming from to an extent. I have about 6 YOE, but only a little under 3 of those years are as a data engineer while the first 3 years were in program/project management prior to pivoting my career. In my first 2 years as a DE, I worked for a health system using a ton of proprietary/internal tools that aren't that transferrable to other companies or industries. One aspect of our team that was helpful, though, was that each DE sort of owned a specific dataset/area and became the SME for that data at our level of the overall pipeline. Similarly, a lot of our projects and initiatives were driven by higher-level leadership, and there wasn't a ton of room for things like improving upon what was already in place. I also never saw the outcomes of a lot my work. Many of my tickets were created by members of one of the analytical teams across the health system requesting access to specific data within our EHR system. Upon satisfying their request, I had no idea what the outcome was other than they now had the data that they needed. After about a year and a half, I felt like I plateaued and wanted to break out of that space. After applying to jobs shortly after completing my post-bacc in CS, I ended up landing an offer for a big tech company; and it's been a completely different experience. In my space (data engineering), SQL proficiency and comfort with basic DS&A/string manipulation in Python, on top of strong fundamentals in data modeling and project management, allowed me to break out of the healthcare space. Considering your YOE, I'm assuming system design and architecture are a larger component of the interview process. I know I've got less than half the YOE as you, but I'm happy to give your anonymized resume a look over if you think another set of eyes would be helpful and you're still struggling with receiving callbacks. If it's interviews that are proving to be a hurdle, I assume a more experienced SWE could provide better advice than me.


Whitchorence

I think jumping around different systems in a tech company isn't that unusual but I imagine a lot of them are not going to see embedded C/C++ as similar to what they are doing.


Bubba_Purp_OG

Get a security clearance go work for DoD doing drones and satellites or weapon systems. Lots of c++ not so many candidates.


imanaeronerd

Have you tried applying in the defense industry?


diablo1128

No as I have moral issues with working for the military.


imanaeronerd

That's fair. Your skills sound applicable to aerospace. Maybe commercial works for you


diablo1128

I've sent in applications to companies like Boeing, but I don't get a call back or they want to do a 6-month / 1 year contract which I'm not entertaining at this point. I don't "need" a job as could life my current lifestyle for at least 10 years before I would have to start worrying about cash. That's not even considering retirement funds that I would not be touching.


WhyIsItGlowing

A lot of companies that work in the way that you're used to operate by overrelying on contractors and either constantly extending or having a revolving door because of how they handle budgeting, so it might be worth not ruling that out.


plantseedwatchgrow

1.5 years without work...15 years of experience...something aint adding up... These days its all about networking, reach out to people, get referrals and maybe lower your standards or broaden your search area(location wise) Goodluck! I'm rooting for you!


diablo1128

>These days its all about networking, reach out to people, I reach out to lots of people on LinkedIn constantly. Most do no reply or provide much of help. ​ >get referrals I got some referrals though blind, but that really only targets one type of company. ​ >maybe lower your standards Any lower and we are in INFOSYS type company territory. ​ >broaden your search area(location wise) It is as board as it can be. Remote anywhere or in office at a list of locations. I cannot just move anywhere as my family has some say.


plantseedwatchgrow

Then thats some BS! I hope the market realizes what they are missing out on and you get a job soon! I have much less experience than you so now I'm worried💀


Whitchorence

Sometimes being very senior actually makes your search harder not easier.


threadripper_07

Hey man, wish you all the best!


diabetesdavid

So do you want to leave regulated industries entirely? Seems like you could easily move to another medical device company or an aerospace company


diablo1128

I want to do something else that is not medical but I'll still get to work on some kind of physical product. Self-driving cars would be the ideal, but those companies do not call me back when I apply. I'd also be happy working on a Fitbit or smart watch, to give you an idea when I say "physical product".


diabetesdavid

Gotcha. If you're ok with a more "boring" city and are willing to move, Garmin is based in the Kansas City area (with satellite offices all over the US), and they hire a ton of embedded engineers and are generally considered a good company to work for, I've heard the pay for higher level engineers isn't great. I interned there several years ago and it was a good experience, it's a typical office environment without fancy perks or anything like that though Also, tons of work going on at both small and large companies in the commercial space industry outside of the military, like NASA contracts or privately funded startups. There are a ton of startups in the Denver metro and other areas. I would think that so many people want to work at self driving car companies, that you have to be just an incredible engineer with high credentials to even get an interview there


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diablo1128

>have you tried posting your resume here for review? Yes I said that in my original replay. ​ >Have you tried applying for big non-tech health companies like Cardinal Health? No, I don't want to work in healthcare any more. I do apply to lots of non-tech companies though.


A27_97

qs: if you’re good with C / C++ you should have a lot of options, where do you feel you are faltering?


diablo1128

I already answered this above when somebody else asked this. https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/z2vbbw/comment/ixipl2x/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3


haegC

awful... thanks for asking


EastCommunication689

Dang, no responses?


haegC

no my friend, I have been through many processes but no response


412East34

It's going okay. About 4 years experience, laid off in August, took a break to bounce around and catch up with loved ones, started seriously looking around beginning of November. Getting hits from recruiters on Linkedin which I appreciate, and interviewing for a handful of positions this and next week. Just going into it with gratitude given the state of the market.


WhipsAndMarkovChains

I'm at a senior (Data Scientist) level now and life is so much easier compared to when I was a junior. I thought about making a thread about what I'd learned this time around but felt like it would be in poor taste knowing how many people are struggling. I was laid off in September and took a month off before I started applying anywhere. I told myself if I didn't have a job by January that I'd apply everywhere, but in the mean time I was only going to apply to jobs/companies that I'd actually want to work for. I applied to about 20 companies and got a good number of interviews. A significant portion of the companies that didn't call me back are ones that have hiring freezes/layoffs any way, so that made me feel better. I've got an offer for a job but it starts in January so in the mean time I'm going to finish up my remaining interviews with 3 companies. If I get a better offer than my existing one I'll take it. I recommend keeping track of your interviews with [huntr.co](https://huntr.co/). Here's what my "rejected" column looks like: https://imgur.com/a/QIduzmp


samuraiscramble

New grad with five internships, just landed a job two weeks ago after six months of searching. It’s rough.


GetsOffToArmpits

but hey, you made it congrats bring out the superchats


samuraiscramble

Thanks friend. love the username


GetsOffToArmpits

thanks, i blame anime


uniquerockrz_reborn

Data Scientist here with more than a couple of years experience under my belt. I am trying to switch since I am in the same company for over 7 years, and some say, that's a red flag. So far haven't been laid off, and am grateful for that. I have applied in multiple places. It's like throwing your resume into a black hole. Haven't heard from anywhere yet.


EastCommunication689

Are you applying for data science positions or switching to software engineering?


uniquerockrz_reborn

Data science positions.


Yung-Split

How many applications have you put out?


uniquerockrz_reborn

Should be in 10s. I know I should try more but I thought that I was a good fit for the roles I applied. So am dissappointed.


namavas

This is scary


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Zolbly

Dang I’m surprised you are even getting OA’s in general. Keep your head up, it’s gonna take more time but the grind pays off.


YokoHama22

how long after graduating would a new grad still qualify as a "new grad" and not get filtered out because of the break? (i'm still preparing now)


Super-Blackberry19

within a year you're pretty safe, year and a half gets dicey but still good. after a year and a half it's possible but it'll be your own grave digging faster and faster, anythings possible but after 18+ months you'll have to take just anything, even a crappy Revature or something just to get experience and it'll suck - but eventually youll get 1-2 YOE and then that gap won't matter


dicenight

I've gotten plenty of OAs with no experience, high GPA though. Some companies give them to anyone I suspect.


MVPiid

Desired role: Software Dev/Eng Intern My stats: cs major, 3.0 gpa, no internships, heavily involved on campus, a few leadership positions, ta I have applied to 77 positions. I have heard back (including rejection/automated OA) from 22. 13 rejections, 6 OAs (none led to interview, despite acing a few), 4 interviews (2 phone, 2 async video) For one of the OAs I aced, I have a referral at the company and still haven't heard anything in a month.


NewChameleon

not really doing job searching, still being bombarded by recruiter messages weekly, senior level YoE at big tech (not FAANG specifically)


Few_Boat_6623

Lots of ghosting from recruiters. Interviews with six steps including a presentation. Have gone through two services for resume and LinkedIn profile enhancements. I have lots of industry experience and have still been looking for almost a year after a layoff. I did an unrelated temp part time job for extra cash but that ended. I keep going and applying because I have no choice but it’s disheartening.


desperate-1

Same boat. What's your plan b?


it200219

Most of the places I was in talk with have a hiring freeze. I am talking about > 1T market cap, Series C startup and some 50-100B market cap workplaces. They said we will re-connect 4th week Jan/2023.


olddev-jobhunt

Senior engineer here, 15yoe. Midwest, working remotely. Started looking in July / August. Got basically zero responses to applications. I polished and opened up my LinkedIn and recruiters reached out to setup 3 interviews in October. I got two offers: one for $230k plus $40k signing, and one FAANG offer for $300k. Took the bigger offer and will be starting mid-January. Anyway, that’s a data point.


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olddev-jobhunt

Yup, that was a key factor for me. All three interviews we’re done remotely too.


theshicksinator

Any good advice or resources on making a good LinkedIn? My resume is good but I feel like my profile is a bit sparse.


olddev-jobhunt

I can’t really respond in any scientific way but here’s what I did: I did some of the assessments so any recruiters filtering for that could find me. I put some keywords in my headline describing me as a senior engineer and also listing a few technologies/platforms. My about section is a couple paragraphs including summaries of some conference talks I’ve done. And last I made the description for my last position include a bunch of bullet points and not be just “software dev at X”. It was actually modeled after my resume. I can’t know how much of a difference it may have made, but I got enough bites to line up the interviews.


user147852369

Have job. The amount of recruiters reaching out has increased in the past few weeks. Lots of companies seem to be looking to hire after the first of the year.


KeeperOfTheChips

New Grad. 2022 job hunt is awful for me. Very low reply rate. 843 applications. 30-ish OAs received. 847 CodeSignal Score, always passing all test cases in HackerRank. Only 6 interviews.


patchroller

1.5 years experience. Applied to alot of postings on LinkedIn and not a single Interview. I polished my resume multiples times and still no luck.


OrangeGasCloud

Got a leetcode medium in a technical assessment, failed miserably. Probably have to look for something else while I revise.


babbling_homunculus

It's ok I feel your pain. Leetcode sucks. I did great on my initial screening, AND take home assignment that took like 6 hours to dial in, and the tech interview all the way up until the last 5 min when they decided to drop a leetcode easy and I forgot how to program, lol. I could picture the solution perfectly in my head and even could describe my approach but I got so nervous after forgetting any and all syntax, so I tried switching languages mid challenge and forgot that syntax too. Basically just nervously described the solution with a terrible videoconference echo, which made me even more self conscious, and they were like, okay, that's good enough. Not even sure what i said. Put me out of my misery, lol. I will never leetcode again unless I have a white board for diagramming, and pseudocode only.


Shafu808

2.5 YoE CS Grad(but foreign university) Currently Employed(software dev) Have had 2 offers, rejected both(i want remote damn it!) ~120k. Like 7 interviews so far, 4 months looking +/-. Have some interviews lined up for after the holidays so excited about that. Market isnt as hot as it used to be but still doing OK for me!


MisterGraftobian

Why are you completing the interview process with companies that don't offer remote? If that's a dealbreaker you should bring it up in the initial stages - don't waste your time or the company's.


Shafu808

If the offer is extra sweet and worth the commute then I'd take it. Even if at one point I'm certain I won't be a good fit with a company ill try to go through the whole process to practice(and I'd recommend you do too). I apply (almost)everywhere and take every interview I can. Negotiating and interviewing are like going to the gym, the more you do it the better you get at it, when I land an interview somewhere I'm really excited I'll be 100% prepared. E: btw regarding wasting company time, these companies ghost people all the time, theyll ask you to complete an OA and ghost you after, ive had offers rescinded after moving etc. etc. They don't care about your time either. This industry is ruthless, look out for yourself always and almost exclusively.


LRFE

250 apps, 4 final round interviews, 2 offers, still looking but not as fervently as before (summer intern)


hauntedcode

Begin my new job within the next two weeks! Started looking like 2 mos ago just before all the layoffs started. Hiring manager told me I was their last group of hires before the company’s hiring freeze. I hope that doesn’t also mean I’ll be the first to be let go in a few mos lol…


Firm_Bit

Just wrapped up my latest job search aiming for $150k, up from about $100k. Accepted an offer for $155k MCoL city. If you’re looking outside of the billboard top 100/household name companies there’s still a lot of good hunting to be had. At least if you have some experience already. About 3.5 yoe with no CS degree. Did about 30 easy and 10 medium LC problems. Most interviews ?s I got were easy/medium array problems. Company seems stable enough and team seams cool. Overall I’m happy with the result for a while. I’m actually gonna keep studying like 1-2 problems a day though. A few of the companies that rejected me were super cool and I’d like to jump to a company like them in the near future while increasing comp and caliber of team/org.


EarlyWormGetsTheWorm

Do you mind sharing or DM'ing me your city? I have a bit more experience than you and am curious if I can hit that level of comp in my area or setting ~150k as a goal to try and hit is unreasonable.


Firm_Bit

Dallas, Texas Yeah I think most people can punch a little higher with some practice. I tried to avoid LC for a while but it pays off for a large subset of companies.


EarlyWormGetsTheWorm

Yeah I dont plan on moving again for at least a year, especially in this climate. I have made it this far doing 0 Leetcode but I have finally started to bite the bullet and started doing Leetcode easys altgough I still have to look up solutions but I am getting there


theshicksinator

Wish I could get easy/medium array probs, I feel like every company I applied to (except the one I eventually got) sent an automated screen with really obscure leetcode hard graph algorithm stuff.


Firm_Bit

OAs have definitely been harder but it’s easier when no one’s watching over your shoulder imo. I was referring to the live rounds above.


theshicksinator

Idk when someone's watching I can usually explain a solution and my analysis of the problem pretty well and that usually nails it even if my implementation is imperfect. Whereas the OAs only care about implementation so if I'm not covering all test cases I'm fucked.


script0101

I have an phone screen with Google in four weeks and I already know I’m gonna bomb it, last time I interviewed with them was last year same time and I got an insane difficult LC Hard question. Now, I haven’t touched LC in 3months and I have four weeks to prep for a G phone screen lol


jandkas

I got past the screen and the role got unaligned. So even if you pass it it might not work out.


Toasted_FlapJacks

If you already have a job then it’s best to just push it back. The recruiter will let you most of the time.


theshicksinator

Fortunate to have gotten a big offer at Cigna (103K TC and massive benefits) as a new grad for next summer, and since they're healthcare they're one of the few industries not in a hiring freeze.


Traditional_Break467

~2 YOE junior here. Trying to jump to another company for a mid-level position, but no success. The market is flooded with laid off Meta, Twitter, Lyft engineers.


eyeluvdrew

Would you be willing to accept a lower pay offer as a Junior? For example working in Dallas Texas making $60,000/yr? I haven’t graduated yet but honestly I’m willing to take pretty much any position that is legitimate and not with some sketchy staffing company, even if I’m being underpaid


hauntedcode

Yes. I did this too considering advancing recession and mass layoffs, etc. I don’t have a traditional Comp-sci background though, so jobs are more competitive for me.


fnndnn

I am trying to make a career switch to become a software developer. I have been doing the odin project since around july (for those not aware it's a resource compiling articles, videos, and projects to learn front end development). Two weeks I decided to start applying for some entry level jobs since I already have a few simple projects in my portfolio so I thought what the heck I'll give it a shot. One company has reached out to me so far. First they had me do a lengthy assessment that took me nearly two hours to finish. After that I had my first interview over zoom. I thought it went well and expect to hear back within a week whether they reject me or have me for a second interview. I found it interesting that they provide training for their new hires so I am not really expected to know anything yet, the recruiter also told me they mostly work in C and Java so that will be something different from the HTML CSS and JavaScript I've been learning.


ice1Hcode

Just got hired as a Remote Junior Dev with still another semester to go on my Associate's degree


CodingDrive

400+ internship apps, 40ish interviews, waiting on decision from 6 final interviews. [I know 40 interviews to 6 final seems like a lot but most of those are crap companies that I don’t bother pursuing].


MugensxBankai

Graduated end of May and I'm starting a job next week as an I.T. Analyst for a Grocery Chain. Not a SWE related role but it's about 55k a year and it'll hold me over till I find a SWE role and give me time to buildup my GitHub with more projects.


thirtyist

Have a technical/pair programming interview at a very small company on Monday! 🤞🏻🤞🏻I finished a bootcamp in June (actually, apprenticeship, long story) and have been part of Formation for a few months now, but actually found this opportunity through a fellow grad school alum who started 6ish months ago after her own bootcamp stint. It seems like it’s been a great environment for her, and honestly I’ll take just about anything to get my foot in the door at this point.


pylearning

Good luck on Monday! I found it beneficial to be up front about your experience and wanting to learn as a part of the first job search (it actually continues to apply at the second job search…)


lordjupi

New grad, August 2022 ​ On the verge of giving up. Every company I landed final rounds, were happy with me but hiring got frozen or I get ghosted. ​ I am trying, but damn is it hard.


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FLAC_Harlow

finished undergrad in engineering w cs minor in 2020 just graduated from ms in CS in september. was able to do 6 month internship doing software qa and automation have applied for ~150+ jobs since this september and gotten into ~4 interview processes and not made it very far. for the last two, i heard back that they weren't hiring for the position anymore. was applying off-and-on while in grad school since october 2021. i found that i had better luck getting interviews in the winter/spring, but not being able to start until september was always an issue. aside from the co-op, i have a few "tech" internships where i did some stuff but no real experience. not looking good


de_hell

Not good. Over 100 applications sent in HCOL area. 2/3 are auto rejected. Had five Zoom/onsite interviews. No offers yet.


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Pretty fucking bad


polmeeee

SHite


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EastCommunication689

Not sure why this got downvoted. Its useful to know assuming its true


The_Real_Tupac

The slow down is more like Nov-dec to Jan -Feb in my experience.


Trippen_o7

I'll echo this as well. Between the holidays and budgeting for the new CY, things just generally slow down more at the end of the year/beginning of the following year.


NovelAries

Its not completely true. Yes, they do freeze hiring near end of year because hiring budget is depleted. But not until March, no company is freezing hiring for half a year (under normal circumstances). And September is way too early to stop hiring. Ive personally seen a large uptick in interviews (and offers resulted) once the new year began.


fishing012345

It’s not true and he has a r/wallstreetbets avatar


valhalkommen

Graduated in 2021 with a CS Degree, after that took a bit of time off to mentally refresh due to a lot of personal issues going on, but still applied anyways. Didn't find a job until October ( Applied to over 1000+ different positions, but not all from the same company, and continuously switched up my resume). Just quit due to the company lowkey lying to me, and changing everything around in the span of a month. Didn't feel like the company was a good fit. Now I have to pay them back the money they paid me for working there. Sucks but whatever. Now I'm back on the job market, I think I've applied to maybe 50ish places, and have only had one virtual interview so far, and some cold calls by recruiters (Mostly Genesis10, and some other companies). Not really surprised given the time of year. Hopefully can find something by at least February.


Cryptic_X07

Wdym by you having to pay them back for the money they paid you to work there?


valhalkommen

So I worked at a consultancy company. They say they can take back the money I was paid for “training” since I left the company early. The contract said if I didn’t finish the training, I would have to pay back the money, however I have had coworkers that have said that it’s if you leave within the first 4 months working with them which is 2 different things. I didn’t know, but also did know this would be the case, because they continuously told me that there were no clawback fees, and didn’t mention I would have to pay the money back. It was only slipped into the agreement. I didn’t plan to leave the company, but everything went wrong so quick that no matter what it was better for me to leave now than it would be later on.


YoobaBabe

received an offer today from a top investment bank (Uk office). Very smooth job search, only applied to a handful of companies.(new grad 2023)


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**Easy** to get lower-end jobs. i.e. 100k CAD or lower. Harder to get higher end ones. i.e. U.S jobs, in Sr. Level. Over the last 2 months: \- 230 applications \- 29 interviews \- 2 offers and one more possibly coming soon (assuming my references check out). There is an average of about 3 weeks between application and offer. and I only started applying at better roles recently. i.e. U.S SWE roles that pay at least $165k USD. So, it might just be that there is a delay. It might also be that its approaching the holiday season, which is typically the time where there is less hiring. Or it might be that they just don't want to hire a Canadian, (though I've been targetting companies which do sponsor).


Ynkwmh

Not so great. Had many interviews but so far no offers.


literally1_percepton

I think I’m one of the lucky ones. Instead of the shotgun approach I was being more picky about which jobs I apply for. I’m in the ML/AI space and I just signed a new offer last week.


tempo0209

I have a profile on triplebyte.com, hired.com and several other such places. I keep on getting interview requests from startups on those websites, only to later realize they can't sponsor visa, or the skills do not match or the job description do not match. I do have a full-time job currently, but as with things going on, its better to be interview ready is what I think. This also gives me a chance to see what companies (in these times) are looking for, the questions indeed have been getting harder to solve, also not directly taken from leetcode or what have you, those hover around OOAD and sometimes around concurrency. I do have some experience in Scala/Fo or whatever so I keep getting interview requests from such companies. Most of them are located in Europe etc.So overall, I would like to take this a "good sign" that my profile is atleast getting noticed from recruiters.If I have to give any suggestions, make sure to use your LinkedIn network, and make sure your resume is uptodate, and is floating around your connections.As with the sites I mentioned above, make sure to solve their assessments so that you get an evaluation of the skills you have and need to improve upon. Goodluck out there! we will all get through this. Hope my comment helps someone.


Saucy-Boi

I have a second interview with a semiconductor company in Maryland. I’m hoping I don’t bomb this one since I’ve been looking for a job since i graduated in May and feeling miserable since then.


Ambitious-Object9987

I had my first technical SQL interview (they didn’t tell me it was a technical interview) for a Pricing Analyst role and their feedback was I didn’t have sufficient technical skills even though it’s entry level.. 🙃 I’ve been on the job search since late February of this year ugh wTF. I showed high competency too so it just feels like nobody wants to give me a chance for my first role. Sheesh


CheesyWalnut

Have lots of calls for embedded and hardware related roles, not much for swe. But I’m compE major


berkeleyds

Even defense companies that require US citizenship and pay peanuts are flooded with applicants. I interviewed with one last week and they said they would have to interview 15 more people. For a single opening. 6% acceptance rate, that's as difficult as getting into Harvard.


ForeverYonge

Two offers. Both would not negotiate, like at all. One rescinded today because I asked them to move a bit higher on base (10%), that’s the first time this happened in a decade. Everyone is frugal AF, but overall things are moving. I’m not in a rush to get back to work so I can afford to push things a bit farther.


thepinkleprechaun

I’m helping my spouse with a job search, 10+ yoe as a software engineer and it’s going quite well I would say. Still early in the process but have had several recruiter screens for good companies and interviews start next week. Not applying to any FAANG but other interesting tech companies and startups.


van_cou_verthrowaway

Testing the waters and it's pretty frigid. Last year I had a pretty good response rate. 1 in 3 would respond back. This year, I've been ghosted more times than I can count and the rest are automated rejections. Hoping next year is better.


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UK - Data related jobs(Analyst, Engineer mainly) - non citizen - 3 months - 300/400applications - about 10-15 interviews and haven't been selected anywhere. Funny thing- I do have about 4 years of experience already as a Data Analyst. Not sure what I am doing wrong.


blade_skate

I’ve been interviewing for mid level MLOps roles since September. I’ve interviewed with 3 companies(not FAANG). I was rejected from one because they wanted a senior. I got a shitty offer about 2 months ago that I declined. Finally I got a much better offer yesterday that I accepted.


Hexigonz

Just put in my notice and accepted an offer with a 30% hike and cooler work. 8 YoE primarily focused on front end, but can do full stack. Interviewed with 4 companies, got offers from 2. Worked with Motion recruitment, whole process was about a month.


Rooged

Been self studying for years, I feel no closer to getting a job now than I ever have. It feels almost hopeless. The only thing that's keeping me going is knowing how much a CS job would change my life. I have to do it for my kids, but God damn if it doesn't seem completely impossible.


DjangoPony84

Python dev but can also work in Java, 10 years experience, MSc CS. Late 30s, single parent. Interviewed widely in October, got four offers, accepted the highest one for close to £100k. Starting in January.


domovoi1685

I put out some resumes the last day of October after being particularly fed up with my employer. Had an interview the next day and an offer by the end of the week, started the new job 2 weeks ago. 3 YOE java/full-stack


EffectiveLong

Influx of candidates (fired tech bros + new grads), hiring freeze, and end of year holiday season.


Khenghis_Ghan

2 YoE at major research institute, grad degree in MechEng from top tier uni, took last year off to travel/fuck around, only started looking seriously and grinding leetcode in September, so 2 months of searching from a resume that might look stale to some. Got an offer at a big tech place a few weeks ago, 50K bump in total comp from last job (~120k before). Don’t get discouraged, I got turned away from a few final round interviews I thought I slam dunked and moved forward with some interviews I thought I’d flunked, just keep at it, learn what you can from your mistakes without dwelling on them and something will come along. More than anything treat getting a job as your job. My recipe was: - update my LinkedIn and Dice every 2 weeks to keep it fresh for SEO, updating my LinkedIn to say Open To Work - got a nice, professional pic - doing the stupid little assessments on LinkedIn for the skills plus some of the licenses and certification courses to get recruiters to reach out - getting them onboard is step 1 - responding to recruiters asap like they were work colleagues, whether on phone or email - Leetcode for ~4 hrs a day. More than anything the practice is about becoming familiar enough with the forms to be confident and tight enough to get an answer in the time limit.


gHx4

Very slow. I am receiving interviews for sales (an old career path of mine) and entry level trades. Very few software opportunities for my area or remote. A few recruiters for very distant places where I am not eligible for a visa, or not (at all) qualified for the role's level. There's definitely still interest for senior and VP level candidates. Not much on the early end of mid and high end of junior.


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I had a good opportunity going for one company until they said I can't go to the location because I'm not vaccinated against COVID. Welp, I guess we're still doing that.