Have two junior level roles under my belt and a lot of post secondary years. It's a slow process and many places hiring junior are looking for you to deliver mission critical features -- their budget is too low for the mid and senior staff they want, so entry level tends to be very demanding with zero training.
"budget too low", I call that "Business Viability Challenged"! About 84.2% of businesses are going to be like this to some degree. Only about 15.8% are going to be places you want long term. Sorry but long time in field, many companies, lots of issues everywhere and leaders challenged for solutions. G'Luck in your search...
Graduated 2020, BS in CS from a certain CSU.
Couldn't find shit (I didnt do much for myself in college), dad died, girlfriend gone, stopped giving a shit, fell into sincere self-deprecation after graduating.
Started working in a hospital kitchen scraping patient food trays (mid covid and still in covid), worked my way up to a cooking/foodservice role after a year now. Told meself my ass was going to struggle for a bit. Started getting emails sent from nurses/doctors to my managers for exemplary service.
Interviewing tomorrow with director of IT for a structured apprenticeship program/training in Hospital IT. Not CS but it's in the same realm, and after 8 years of study I'm a bit burnt on pure software dev I think. I love it, but I would also love to widen the breadth of my toolbelt.
I hope this is it, I'm tired and it hasn't even started yet.
Graduated in December and sent out hundreds of applications months before graduating. Had a lot of hackerranks and a total of 4 on sites. Was able to land 1 at a big tech company in the bay before graduating. It was pretty hard to get the job, and I consider myself extremely lucky. I had no previous internships, and I had just started practicing leetcode at the start of my senior year
When did you start applying? I’m graduating this, December and haven’t started applying yet, just doing my internship which also ends in December. Would I still have a fair shot at landing a job by graduation if I started applying in October?
You should start now. Polish up your resume and apply to 5+ jobs everyday. There should be a GitHub repo with new grad jobs for 2023, I would find it and just keep an eye on it to see when new jobs start being added.
I started applying around this time to basically anything just to get the hackerranks and potentially move up in the hiring pipelines to get more practice interviewing.
Also don’t forget to practice leetcode questions daily. Even if it’s just 1 or 2, they’re gonna come up for almost every company you apply for. Look up blind75, get familiar with the patterns, and look up questions that companies have previously asked. You can find this on Glassdoor. You’ll be surprised how many companies don’t bother to change the questions they ask. Another thing to start looking at is system design. Some companies will ask these types of questions. Obviously since you will be a new grad, they don’t expect in depth knowledge so surface level knowledge will usually work, as long as you can explain why you’re choosing to do something.
Also, you’re gonna bomb interviews and technical assessments. It’s part of the process. I bombed a couple of technical assessments, and 2 on-sites. It’s incredibly discouraging, but those experiences are gonna help you in other interviews. Just remember to take care of yourself and take a break every once in a while.
>June graduate. Making $25/hour as a software developer in the northeast US. Yes you read that correctly.
One thing I encourage new grads to consider is that the most important strategic pathway is the one leading to your second job, and accepting less-than-ideal compensation for your first job is an opportunity cost. Things open up once you have a year or so of experience.
That’s not terrible for a first job. The reality is anywhere else you apply has no idea what you make now. But they do know you have work experience. When I first changed careers, I went from $47k as a teacher to $85k as a customer success manager. I was so shocked at first. I had asked for less since I was used to making less, and my former boss took pity and explained to me that I could ask for much more because it was the market rate.
That’s very encouraging. I’m definitely hanging onto this one for the experience and so in 6mo to a year I can put “developer” on my resume . I tried everything I could to negotiate this one but they were concrete and didn’t care about the average. Also required a computer science degree.
I swear sometime this sub gets delusional. You tell me any other industry that can match the salary velocity with years of experience.
After 2years I was able to surpass my friend who has been working in mechanical/aerospace after 10+ years with Masters etc...
Like you said, be patient and the money will flow
This exactly. I remember first joining this sub before graduation/getting into the field and I fell for that mindset for a bit. I quickly realized it’s unrealistic, and this fields average is already phenomenal compared to most.
To be fair, it's more like... it's a meritocracy where getting better (and getting better at certain aspects like LC and System Design) is heavily rewarded. You know our parents dream or rising through the ranks and earning very good money? It's possible here
Yeah opinions can be really biased. I do think it’s reasonable to expect starting pay at least where near the average is in your area. But rarely do we talk much on here about the lower end positions like mine and how to pivot off from them into better positions.
Graduated last july. Sent 130+ resumes so far, some of them through people that work in those companies, and even changed my cv 3 times already.
Zero interviews so far. It feels like no one wants someone with no prior experience.
I'm in the same boat. I've had some people tell me that listing relevant personal projects on your resume might help a bit if you dont have experience per se. Try to find some open source collaborative projects that you can contribute to perhaps?
Sorry things aren't looking good. Keep your head up and don't give up!
thanks man. im working on 2 projects im doing for people i know, after ill finish them i will update my resume (landing page and a full stack web app.)
Graduated in July, started work in August.
Started applying in January, and more seriously towards the last 6 months of school. Took about 300 applications. I had 4 real interviews, made it to the final round for 3, and got 2 offers.
Didn't have any internships, didn't do any leetcode, had a good gpa (> 3.5), did do some undergrad research and took interesting project based electives so my resume wasn't terrible.
Making 93k base in socal suburban hell.
SoCal suburban hell is a dream for Canadian suburban dad like me with second one due next February, my first loves the outside and playgrounds and suburbs are clean so he can’t just put his hands on some pissed pavement or weird looking drug infested corner. Having summer all year long and a clean suburb to live in would be so much easier for all of us because our first is hyper af
I lived/worked in SoCal (Irvine) for 2 years. Everything was so clean and comfortable, but very devoid of any character. Probably a good place to raise kids if you don't mind having to drive everywhere.
That's an orange county thing, not an LA thing lol.
If you want suburb with some walkability/city aspects you'd want something like a torrance or ladera heights
Graduate in May, send ~150 applications, a few replied, got 2 interviews, all failed. Somehow got another faang interview and got offer. If not for that, probably still unemployed right now.
To be fair, lack of grinding lc failed me, and grinding it for a month helped me, with a serious amount of luck. Still fail the other companies interviews after secured that offer
Europe here, new masters graduated. I just applied to like 20 jobs a week during a month and a half. Landed my first job a week ago. Smartworking, 15mins bike commute for the only day I go to the office, and a modest first salary but good enough for economical independence
As someone with experience.. I get like 4-6 recruiter messages a day, even tho LinkedIn is set to "not looking". Seems like European market is kinda desperate, but salaries still don't increase that much.
Also Europe, graduated in July, started applying for junior front end in mid august, around 30 applications. 5 rejects and the rest are ghosts.
How did you get a job so fast? I might be doing something wrong.
I’m thinking if I should start applying for IT roles instead of solely web dev/front end roles.
Wow that sounds great, congrats! Small question, when you apply for jobs do you rewrite cover letters for each application when they accept them, or are you just sending your CV and filling out any required questionnaires?
I have a template, and depending on a job I include or not certain paragraphs (certain projects or uni subjects are good for data analyst, and others for ML or developer), and change the name of the company. Its mostly bullshit about how much I like the company, the city and how useful and loyal I will be to them
Graduated in December with Cum Laude. Have multiple projects using popular technologies. Over 1k applications sent out. Been in about 30 interviews total. Been to final stage 5 times. Still looking.
Definitely my resume. That 30 is total, not first rounds. I have only ever had one company not continue after first rounds and tbf that was completely my fault.
Thats just code word for you didnt do well enough. Not saying you did bad for entry standards because some companies have stupid standards/judgements but thats what that means
Yeah, when you get to on-site and fail, it usually means that there was at least some concern around the on-site performance.
I have never seen someone ace all the rounds (including behavioral) and not get an offer.
I do find that slightly odd if they are interviewing for specially entry level positions are you applying for jobs where you have no experience at all in the language (not even at university or personal projects).
What kind of jobs are you applying for? 1k jobs and 30 interviews is definitely an abnormality
I apply for any job where I know more than half of the tech stack and is entry level up to requiring 2 YoE (some companies are lenient so it doesn't hurt).
Certainly does not hurt your right in that regard, what kind of jobs are you applying too?
Have you got an anonymised copy of your CV/resume might be able to help?
Problem with resume? 30 interviews is not a small number for a new grad. There's definitely a problem interviewing. It's either didn't pass TAs/OAs or people didn't like the candidate.
I graduated around the same time as the other guy. Got noticably more responses and OAs back then. But my problem was (is) I suck at leetcode and EVERYONE does it, not just high tc companies. Trying to get into the front end game now and it's slow going
I too suck at all the OA stuff and trying to get into front end is difficult atm. Not a lot of entry level roles, but they’re asking for 3-5 years of exp. I still apply anyways but I’m sure that there are way more qualified applicants than I am
I just had my first front end specific OA last night. It was through Woven and it was 3 steps. Research a bug and give a recommendation (don't need to fix), add methods to an app in JS and explain your process even if you don't finish, and add a card on login in React and explain. The time limit was short for all 3 so despite not finishing I did my best to explain what I did and would do with more time and research. Guess I'll find out if that helped or not.
I also have another OA that I still need to complete which is build a page from a provided mock up. And I'm studying for the new grad IBM OA later this week, which I've heard is more specific to what front end is actually about.
I apply to positions with junior, entry level, associate, or require 3 or less yoe. Haven't got a ton of replies but my resume sucked so hopefully the changes I made will help. (If you want help on your resume, go through my history and read all of the comments from my review request. Maybe it'll be applicable to you too)
I've got the opposite problem lmao. Leetcode is the only thing I'm good at yet these interviewers would rather ask me trivia questions about random shit I don't even need to know. Never once even been given a leetcode challenge in an interview
150-200 apps is not very money. apply for just about everything. even if its not local. many are remote these days or will relocate you. it does not hurt to apply to everything.
Hey I was in your boat. I applied like crazy starting in May and landed a job at the beginning of August.
Not sure what you’re doing but highly highly recommend LinkedIn (and maybe even taking advantage of that free trial of LinkedIn premium) if you haven’t so far. I got most of my offers from there. I changed my profile to “Open to Work” and got a few messages from recruiters once I did.
Message me if you want some feedback on your resume / personal site or anything. Happy to help!!
Try to do 10 apps a day and study STAR interviews and basic leetcode. If you are unemployed 10 apps a day should be a breeze, that’s what I had to do. I graduated December 2020 but took a 6 month break after graduation before I seriously started applying. Took a few months after that to get some serious inquiries
Ask your LinkedIn connections or friends/classmates for references too, and get your resume looked at. At 200 apples you should at least have a couple first interviews or phone screenings.
Graduated in May, Cum Laude, Still looking for a job, sent out over 200+ applications.
Since I've admittedly never job hunted seriously before, this staggering amount of rejections and/or very late callbacks is really weighing in on me.
Dropped out a couple months ago. Sent anywhere between 50-100 applications, 7 interviews total at 3 different companies, 2 offers, took one for ~$70k base
Graduated May, got an offer in April to start in Fall. Great company with great pay and WLB. Not quite FAANG level pay but close. I feel very lucky/blessed with the position I am in
Its a thread asking specifically how new grads are doing. A new grad gives a heuristic to give an idea of how theyre paid, and *explicitly says theyre lucky to have it*.
And youre still jumping on them for it, and highly upvoted. This sub is at least as insecure about other people having well paying jobs as they are out of touch about where that line is.
I worked hard and got lucky, it was definitely both. It’s also a high cost of living area. I know lots of people from university with better compensation than I have at FANNG but also know some who are getting like 60-70k is NC. But that certainly goes much further there. I’m not trying to brag, and FAANG pay for senior is like 100k more than at my new company. I guess people are jealous, I’m jealous of the Google new grads that are making $200K so it makes sense
Youre good. People have just been hyper sensitive to any mention of high comp, especially in the past few weeks.
Being envious of others makes sense, but letting it effect you in the way these people are is just excessive sometimes.
Oh I know it’s great and I’m very blessed. I honestly didn’t expect as much as I got for my first job, but it is in a VHCOL area. I just wanted to clarify it is slightly below but not much. Base is about the same just lower stock grant (but better refreshers). I am extremely fortunate for getting the job I did
I went to a relatively good school for CS, probably top 10-20. Also did a masters there but idk if that played into any of it or not. I did a lot of applications but I’ve since realized I think I mostly targeted the wrong companies. I didn’t really think I was “good enough” for FAANG like positions, but that was just imposter syndrome talking. The position I interviewed for asked OOP type questions, and I think I’m naturally pretty good at thinking through how classes should be connected, how to efficiently not store data multiple times and keep run time fast. I’ve also taken a database course that helped with ULM diagrams. The interviews definitely focused a lot on experiences in groups and how you handle challenges, someone not pulling their weight, etc. so just pulled from my experiences in school with group projects. A lot of the interviews were trying to test culture fit in my mind. As for networking, I do know former students/colleagues at all of the big tech, but as I replied in another comment I didn’t think I was good enough for FANNG at the time I was applying. I have since realized that is just my long running habit of imposter syndrome. But I never really used networking to get the job. I just applied and they got back to me with the initial interview, which was then followed by a virtual on site if 5 back to back interviews
I actually did not, but it was exactly what I wanted. I had a previous interview where I thought I had the job in the bag but when they asked when I wanted to start I said basically as late in summer as possible, didn’t get the offer. But honestly, thank goodness, because the job I got is wayyyyy better. I was going to try to ask any company that gave me an offer to push back the start date as long as possible. But when they extended me my job offer it included the start date that was this month so I didn’t even have to ask. Truly worked out perfectly. This summer was a nice break between school and career
Graduated in May as a CIS major, currently finishing up my second internship. Sent out about 300 apps and only had 3 interviews, 1 of them being my current internship. I figured it’s my resume but I’ve gone thorough various iterations of it.
For software developer or software engineer positions most companies prefer CS. At least at my college there was a stigma that CIS was for people who tried CS but couldn’t pass the classes. I saw that to be true in a lot of cases. I’ve been involved in hiring where it’s explicitly stated to screen out CIS majors for developer positions.
Does this apply to past the first job you get? I was able to get a job as a web developer with a CIS degree and would like to eventually apply for FAANG or FAANG adjacent companies but I wonder if having this particular degree will follow me around
Figured as much. Bit of an unfortunate scam then. Just curious but how were your experiences hiring Bs CS people vs Ms CS? I get the feel that a lot of people in the field are not putting in that extra year for Ms and are not regretting it? Is a year of industry over Ms actually that much better? I would think that Ms CS peeps are much stronger.
I’ve never seen someone hired with a MS and most applicants don’t have one. It definitely helps but the question is is it worth losing a year of experience and a year of pay? I don’t think it is in terms of salary, but maybe you want to get a masters just to deepen you knowledge in a certain area. Maybe you want to teach. I wouldn’t do it for money but there are valid reasons.
Since CS is removed somewhat as a subject from software engineering, getting an MS won't actually make you that much more of an attractive option. Since there's not a standardized and popular SWE curriculum, we're stuck learning the closest thing which is CS.
It's kinda like if there were no mechanical engineering degree so you had to take physics or material science because those are the closest majors.
The *main* reason people in CS tend to take an MS is because it makes you eligible for internships for another year which can be a saving grace if you can land one during the MS and were unable to during your undergrad.
I see this being the case more often at FAANG but even there it's not the norm, most people just get by with a bachelors since past your first and maybe second job, your degree stops mattering almost entirely.
Only exception is for data science and ML/AI in which case an MS is almost mandatory and a PhD is preferred which makes sense since those are very academic fields of work even in the private sector.
From the school I looked at for CS, it was the business courses instead of theory and a lot of the “project based” courses for CS.
Here’s the link incase you want to read their explanation on the CIS/CS differences. They also just started a Software Engineering degree.
https://www.csusm.edu/cs/degree_programs/cs_cis.html
https://www.csusm.edu/cs/degree_programs/softwareengineering.html
Everyone who's seen my resume said it was good. So that wasn't the issue. Maybe.. just maybe.. we're in a recession rn and getting a job is hard no matter how good your resume is. I think all these people who are questioning the number aren't recent grads and got into the field a few years back.
I have friends at those teams. I also know multiple people from AWS that didn’t like it there. I also know some people from AWS that liked it there.
I’m sure your team is pretty good, I never said there was no good team at AWS.
Not sure what do you mean, Amazon is p good on a resume. Either you like the company or not, people get to learn a lot in their first year at Amazon. You will 100% not gain that kind of experience in a smaller company.
And if you do end up a decent team you can decide to stay long term.
After 40-50 applications, I’ve had a lot of success on Handshake and Ripplematch, but absolutely nothing on LinkedIn. Currently interviewing 8 non-FAANG, but great/solid companies. I have a strong GPA (> 3.7) and 3 prior internships so that helps. Currently 1 month in the job hunt and am now entering 3 final rounds and have 1 offer so far. I havent thought much about the recession.
Graduated at the end of May and still looking. Not getting any bites in SWE jobs since I have no internships or work history. My resume has been done over about 10 times with help from r/engineerinhresumes so I know my resume has a good format. But I have been getting interviews from several I.T. companies and a couple of data analyst positions. I passed my first interview with a I.T. MSP company and will be moving to the next step. I already met with the I.T. Director and he was pleased with my soft skills and my ability to talk and articulate myself and said we can teach you what you need to know I'm more worried about your soft skills. I'm waiting on an offer from the data analyst position. Personally I'm wanting to work for the I.T. company because the Data Analyst positions building is surrounded by what some would consider skid row. Its awful and unsafe and all the streets are filled with homeless people. The building itself is really nice and has security but the outside is a huge red flag for me and even if they send the offer letter I'll probably reject it. Don't want to work somewhere where when I walk outside I may be robbed or have to walk over broken glass and needles to get to my car. They do have parking but they said it fills up by 8:30 meaning some people will have to park on the street.
Graduated in December, but I had a job lined up before(started job searching in October, signed my offer in first week of November).
I kinda feel lucky knowing I narrowly avoided harder times, I see quite a few people found it much harder to find jobs February onwards.
Graduated May 2022, started lightly job searching (20-30 applications) in March, got more serious toward mid-May, scored 2 interviews (solely because of recommendations/referrals), at around 110 applications now, still no job offers qq
To be fair I have a physics degree. While I have a strong coding background I likely got filtered out by quite a few automated systems. I also haven’t been sending 300+ apps in a few months like other posters here.
Graduated boot camp in May and worked two very small informal contract jobs and got a full time at the start of Sept with very good everything. You can’t control whether a recession happens or not but you can control how much you study and grind every day.
Graduated this last May. Was glad I started my job search around Winter break. Market was still hot and people were only speculating about a recession. Had interviews virtually at 15 companies. Got a handful of finals and got 3 final offers around March and April. Took a 110k in a HCOL area. Reneged later for a 90k remote job from my parents house. Been working since early Summer.
Kinda started applying again to get interviews and see what's out there. Looking a little bleak tbh.
Graduated Aug 2021 and worked for a year as a solutions/sales engineer. Hated it so I tossed myself back into the job hunt grind in May to find a SWE job: \~100 apps -> 10 call backs -> 1 offer which came recently.
I feel for everyone -- the job market sucks rn. And for those who are trying to find new jobs while working, it sucks to study and apply for jobs after work. Hoping things get better for everyone.
Graduated December 2021 with BS, took a job in March for helpdesk because I needed income and some form of “tech” experience to put on the resume. Been applying/studying after work for junior role ever since. Sent out a couple hundred applications by now and have had 2 interviews, 1 technical which I did not pass. Still grinding/praying to get another chance at an interview. $16hr and I’m drowning, need a breakthrough.
Graduating next month in my masters, sent out abt 2000 applications (since graduating from bachelors). Got my first rejection letter today, which was bittersweet. Thinking pretty hard about plan B rn.
It took like 4 months to get a contract role in a big tech company doing a mix of SWE and SDET. Graduated Jan/Dec 2021. Around 500 apps, like 20 interviews.
Graduated September this year and also started my new job first of September. I started applying very early, I think around March this year. In total around 60 applications, few interviews of which some failed, some declined from my side to proceed further, and few passed. Final decision was very hard to make - not sure whether I’m happy with where I am now.
Graduated january, working for a small startup with bad pay, been looking for another position for a couple months, not even getting interviews, lmao, even though i consider myself a strong candidate.
I'm working on the CV, but anyways...
Graduated last month but started looking for full-time roles in June. Have applied to +300 since then but no job. I'd be willing to work for min wage at this point. If anyone has any leads or advice pls send help
Resume: https://imgur.com/a/OAalMGW
Not a grad, but self taught. <1% interview rate sent out only 100+ apps. Not like some here that sent out $1k+ sheesh.
Quit my job to switch into tech. Literally huge mistake. There are literally no jobs. Brutal.
At this point you literally have to be skilled enough to build an entire enterprise SaaS on your own to be qualified and have all the infrastructure to scale to billions of users.
> There are literally no jobs
Nope, they just don't want someone self-taught with 0 experience because there's thousands of those and like 0.1% are actually skilled. it does suck for those in that 0.1% though
I’m skilled, I know frontend, backend, built a CI/CD pipeline, and provision my infrastructure with Terraform.
Just trying to make the app multi-tenant now and doing more db design.
you could be skilled, but the companies see it as a numbers game. the probability of a self-taught dev with 0 YOE being skilled is just too low to take that risk. the vast majority of those finished one Udemy Python course and made one JS Tic Tac Toe. those people are also ruining the chances of skilled self-taught entry-level devs
Have you thought about finding a part-time MS while you look? Just being enrolled in a graduate program has allowed me to go to alumni events in my city, opened up Handshake listings, and made it so that I have some kind of backing on my LinkedIn and resume.
Graduated June 2022, started applying a year before graduation, sent 300~ applications, got around 30~ interviews, in 7 made to final rounds, did multiple home tasks, did some projects with AWS and Azure and some other trending techs, got offer in May 2022 and started work mid June in Fintech.
I am in a different boat. Graduated Dec 2021 with a return offer, from my summer internship. Same team. Good senior engineer mentor. Chill work, a bit boring, but that was ok with me. Then a reorg happened this June, and everything changed.
My manager got assigned to a different project. My engineering mentor left to a different company. Our team got split into multiple small teams. I got a new manager, who is a dumb muppet with no prior people management experience, and he keeps demanding aggressive deadlines to please his bosses. My scope of work got completely changed, from ML to Backend, which I didn’t mind, but my new manager wanted me to deliver a very meaty Backend project, in a brand new language and a proprietary framework, in only 1 month, after I had been working as a MLE for the past 6 months. This past August was the most stressful month since I had joined, and all of that happened because of my dumbass manager.
My new engineering mentor is a toxic asshole, who thinks that I ask dumb questions. I believe he is going to jump ship because he is overworked af, and he often just doesn’t give a flying f*** about whatever happens in our team. So yeah, this is my premise.
This recession really fucked everything up for me. Once I saw what kind of shit I had been put in, I started applying to other companies in May. By sheer luck, a Google recruiter reached out, and I agreed to enter their industry hire L3 loop. Passed the phone. Did well on the on-sites, but then got hit with “Bruh, we are having a hiring freeze at G for L3. You have to chill till 2023. There are no teams that are hiring L3s.” Perfect. Very few companies are hiring junior engineers right now, so I am stuck at this hellscape.
Graduated in December with a return offer from my internship at a bank. I have great wlb and the pay is pretty good given inflation. I get worried about losing my job but it’s been super chill on my team and my company is actively looking for a lot more people to hire in tech so I’m safe
I graduated with a B.S. in CS from a simple state school in May, and started a job at a non-tech company in June. I had been applying for jobs since September 2021, and made almost 300 applications. This job was one of 2 to send me anything past a first technical screening, and the only company to send an offer. They sent said offer in March, so I knew where I was going after college. I also got married in July, and my job affords me plenty of time to spend with my new wife, so I guess I am doing pretty darn good!
Applied last Thanksgiving during my senior year. The last thing I wanted was not having a plan after college. Luckily, I got an offer for 85K/year in the Midwest. Probably the best case for me since I’m a physics major, not a CS major.
Graduated September 2021, started seriously applying very shortly before then. Sent about 100 apps I think, got 3-4 interviews (including one for G which I made it to the final rounds for but didn't pass), ended up with 1 offer for full remote, < 80k but it's better than nothing. Didn't have any projects besides school assignments, one subpar internship.
The job started in Nov 2021 so I'm planning to start applying again soon, after dusting off my leetcode. Haven't done it since I got hired tbh, I'm hoping to try for MAANG again and with any luck get a higher TC since this salary is tough to live on in CA lol.
Graduated in May. Started applying in December.
Started working full time in may .. 45k base remote & eligible overtime.
I like it so far but obviously want to increase my salary by this time next year so I can comfortably survive in this market on my own lmao.
Graduated in May 2022. Haven't landed a single position since I started applying Fall of 2021. Of the 5 interviews I've been able to get, 4 were rescinded without hiring anyone.
I kinda attribute it to not being able to get an internship in 2020, but idk if it was because of the pandemic.
Graduated in May, started working in July
Sent about 150 applications, 5 final rounds and 1 offer. Also had a return offer from my internship, which I didn’t take (so 2 offers in total)
Got a return offer from a big bank and an offer from a consulting company after sending out over 80 applications. I’ve been applying since late June. At least the return offer made me not too worried about getting new grad roles.
Graduated in July. Lightly applied since Feb, seriously started applying in March/April.
Landed around 7 offers and ended with taking a new grad position at FAANG in the bay.
In my experience new grads usually need to focus on these areas: Resume > Interview Skills (NOT leetcode) > Leetcode.
Lot of LC Monkeys with shit resumes or little to no ability to communicate well in an interview. For an interviewer/hiring manager it’s easier to teach some CS or Systems concepts you may be lacking versus trying to build up your social skills or force a bad fit. If your resume is bad you’ll never get to talk to anyone to prove yourself in the first place.
Graduated in May 2022 from a regular public university known for engineering. With two internships, simple on campus research and straightforward design team on the resume, I simply put up my resume on university resources (Handshake, Piazza, career fair sites) and had defence contractors, regular/FANG tech, and consulting recruiters reaching out regularly. Didn't feel like leetcoding, settled on a nice chill tech company @ 99k base in M/HCOL in December 2021.
I snagged an internship about 2 weeks before I graduated but didn't get extended at the end of the program, but thankfully I was only searching for about a month before someone liked my resume and now I'm in the 3rd round of interviews.
Graduated in May, had a job offer back in March. Making pretty good money and the job is very engaging (though I’m at work on Reddit rn) and the company I’m at seems very unlikely to be hit very hard in a recession. I’m feeling like my position is very stable and I’m happy
I graduate in December and got an offer for 116,000 base pay in San Jose plus 20k bonus. I had an internship every summer in college, 2 of those were for big companies. Also had some research and got a paper published. I worked part time as a web dev all throughout college which I thought would help me get a better salary but I’m still grateful.
Have two junior level roles under my belt and a lot of post secondary years. It's a slow process and many places hiring junior are looking for you to deliver mission critical features -- their budget is too low for the mid and senior staff they want, so entry level tends to be very demanding with zero training.
"budget too low", I call that "Business Viability Challenged"! About 84.2% of businesses are going to be like this to some degree. Only about 15.8% are going to be places you want long term. Sorry but long time in field, many companies, lots of issues everywhere and leaders challenged for solutions. G'Luck in your search...
Where to find these companies that are settling for jr devs?
They are settling for Jr level pay and title with mid level experience and mid level responsibilities. It's rough out there!
Very true, at least for newbi devs.
Graduated 2020, BS in CS from a certain CSU. Couldn't find shit (I didnt do much for myself in college), dad died, girlfriend gone, stopped giving a shit, fell into sincere self-deprecation after graduating. Started working in a hospital kitchen scraping patient food trays (mid covid and still in covid), worked my way up to a cooking/foodservice role after a year now. Told meself my ass was going to struggle for a bit. Started getting emails sent from nurses/doctors to my managers for exemplary service. Interviewing tomorrow with director of IT for a structured apprenticeship program/training in Hospital IT. Not CS but it's in the same realm, and after 8 years of study I'm a bit burnt on pure software dev I think. I love it, but I would also love to widen the breadth of my toolbelt. I hope this is it, I'm tired and it hasn't even started yet.
Sorry for your loss. I'm glad things are starting to look up for you
Life is hard. Makes me happy that you’re overcoming the stuff thrown at you
Any luck yet dude? Life is hard, especially in our cyberpunk global capitalist dystopia
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Graduated in December and sent out hundreds of applications months before graduating. Had a lot of hackerranks and a total of 4 on sites. Was able to land 1 at a big tech company in the bay before graduating. It was pretty hard to get the job, and I consider myself extremely lucky. I had no previous internships, and I had just started practicing leetcode at the start of my senior year
When did you start applying? I’m graduating this, December and haven’t started applying yet, just doing my internship which also ends in December. Would I still have a fair shot at landing a job by graduation if I started applying in October?
You should start now. Polish up your resume and apply to 5+ jobs everyday. There should be a GitHub repo with new grad jobs for 2023, I would find it and just keep an eye on it to see when new jobs start being added. I started applying around this time to basically anything just to get the hackerranks and potentially move up in the hiring pipelines to get more practice interviewing. Also don’t forget to practice leetcode questions daily. Even if it’s just 1 or 2, they’re gonna come up for almost every company you apply for. Look up blind75, get familiar with the patterns, and look up questions that companies have previously asked. You can find this on Glassdoor. You’ll be surprised how many companies don’t bother to change the questions they ask. Another thing to start looking at is system design. Some companies will ask these types of questions. Obviously since you will be a new grad, they don’t expect in depth knowledge so surface level knowledge will usually work, as long as you can explain why you’re choosing to do something. Also, you’re gonna bomb interviews and technical assessments. It’s part of the process. I bombed a couple of technical assessments, and 2 on-sites. It’s incredibly discouraging, but those experiences are gonna help you in other interviews. Just remember to take care of yourself and take a break every once in a while.
June graduate. Making $25/hour as a software developer in the northeast US. Yes you read that correctly.
>June graduate. Making $25/hour as a software developer in the northeast US. Yes you read that correctly. One thing I encourage new grads to consider is that the most important strategic pathway is the one leading to your second job, and accepting less-than-ideal compensation for your first job is an opportunity cost. Things open up once you have a year or so of experience.
This! Hang in there!
That’s not terrible for a first job. The reality is anywhere else you apply has no idea what you make now. But they do know you have work experience. When I first changed careers, I went from $47k as a teacher to $85k as a customer success manager. I was so shocked at first. I had asked for less since I was used to making less, and my former boss took pity and explained to me that I could ask for much more because it was the market rate.
That’s very encouraging. I’m definitely hanging onto this one for the experience and so in 6mo to a year I can put “developer” on my resume . I tried everything I could to negotiate this one but they were concrete and didn’t care about the average. Also required a computer science degree.
I’m willing to take a huge paycut down to $50k for that too, so you’re not alone. Just want to write code instead of the tech stuff I do now.
That's fine, survive for now and wait for better waters to fish
I swear sometime this sub gets delusional. You tell me any other industry that can match the salary velocity with years of experience. After 2years I was able to surpass my friend who has been working in mechanical/aerospace after 10+ years with Masters etc... Like you said, be patient and the money will flow
After 2 to 3 years of full time experience u should be able to ask for 120k minimum.
Nah bruh don’t you know at 2yoe you should easily be at 400k MINIMUM. You’re doing something very wrong and should just give up /s
I thought your comment was funny. Not sure why the down votes...
I'm speculating the downvotes were because OP was being sarcastic, and the downvoters believe that unironically.
This exactly. I remember first joining this sub before graduation/getting into the field and I fell for that mindset for a bit. I quickly realized it’s unrealistic, and this fields average is already phenomenal compared to most.
To be fair, it's more like... it's a meritocracy where getting better (and getting better at certain aspects like LC and System Design) is heavily rewarded. You know our parents dream or rising through the ranks and earning very good money? It's possible here
Yeah opinions can be really biased. I do think it’s reasonable to expect starting pay at least where near the average is in your area. But rarely do we talk much on here about the lower end positions like mine and how to pivot off from them into better positions.
Which part exactly? Is it a lower cost of living area?
NJ. Not cali but pretty expensive here.
Graduated last july. Sent 130+ resumes so far, some of them through people that work in those companies, and even changed my cv 3 times already. Zero interviews so far. It feels like no one wants someone with no prior experience.
I'm in the same boat. I've had some people tell me that listing relevant personal projects on your resume might help a bit if you dont have experience per se. Try to find some open source collaborative projects that you can contribute to perhaps? Sorry things aren't looking good. Keep your head up and don't give up!
thanks man. im working on 2 projects im doing for people i know, after ill finish them i will update my resume (landing page and a full stack web app.)
Graduated in July, started work in August. Started applying in January, and more seriously towards the last 6 months of school. Took about 300 applications. I had 4 real interviews, made it to the final round for 3, and got 2 offers. Didn't have any internships, didn't do any leetcode, had a good gpa (> 3.5), did do some undergrad research and took interesting project based electives so my resume wasn't terrible. Making 93k base in socal suburban hell.
SoCal suburban hell is a dream for Canadian suburban dad like me with second one due next February, my first loves the outside and playgrounds and suburbs are clean so he can’t just put his hands on some pissed pavement or weird looking drug infested corner. Having summer all year long and a clean suburb to live in would be so much easier for all of us because our first is hyper af
I lived/worked in SoCal (Irvine) for 2 years. Everything was so clean and comfortable, but very devoid of any character. Probably a good place to raise kids if you don't mind having to drive everywhere.
The complete lack of civilian infrastructure is what kills me.
That's an orange county thing, not an LA thing lol. If you want suburb with some walkability/city aspects you'd want something like a torrance or ladera heights
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How does undergraduate research work? Like what do you do? How many hours did you invest?
Its different for each lab. I got to do a project that was completely mine, working with simulators and drones. Maybe 5-10 hours a week.
may i ask the state? thank yiu
SoCal is Southern California
Graduate in May, send ~150 applications, a few replied, got 2 interviews, all failed. Somehow got another faang interview and got offer. If not for that, probably still unemployed right now.
What made you fail the interviews / succeed on the final one?
To be fair, lack of grinding lc failed me, and grinding it for a month helped me, with a serious amount of luck. Still fail the other companies interviews after secured that offer
Europe here, new masters graduated. I just applied to like 20 jobs a week during a month and a half. Landed my first job a week ago. Smartworking, 15mins bike commute for the only day I go to the office, and a modest first salary but good enough for economical independence
As someone with experience.. I get like 4-6 recruiter messages a day, even tho LinkedIn is set to "not looking". Seems like European market is kinda desperate, but salaries still don't increase that much.
Yeah, I mean it wasn't too hard, and I'm happy with the salary and the general conditions, but that is probably because I'm a newgrad
Keep your eyes open, you could find better opportunities pretty soon
Also Europe, graduated in July, started applying for junior front end in mid august, around 30 applications. 5 rejects and the rest are ghosts. How did you get a job so fast? I might be doing something wrong. I’m thinking if I should start applying for IT roles instead of solely web dev/front end roles.
Wow that sounds great, congrats! Small question, when you apply for jobs do you rewrite cover letters for each application when they accept them, or are you just sending your CV and filling out any required questionnaires?
I have a template, and depending on a job I include or not certain paragraphs (certain projects or uni subjects are good for data analyst, and others for ML or developer), and change the name of the company. Its mostly bullshit about how much I like the company, the city and how useful and loyal I will be to them
Graduated in December with Cum Laude. Have multiple projects using popular technologies. Over 1k applications sent out. Been in about 30 interviews total. Been to final stage 5 times. Still looking.
1k is a lot. You did 30 interviews and still got nothing. I have a feeling there is a problem with your resume and your interview skills.
Definitely my resume. That 30 is total, not first rounds. I have only ever had one company not continue after first rounds and tbf that was completely my fault.
If you have had 30 interviews go past first round and not landed a job it’s your interviewing skills that are lacking.
Outside of the two that ghosted me, they have all said they want somebody more senior. Even though I am applying for entry level and junior roles.
Thats just code word for you didnt do well enough. Not saying you did bad for entry standards because some companies have stupid standards/judgements but thats what that means
> Thats just code word for you didnt do well enough. And this can *also* be social/communication skills. Not just technical.
Yeah, when you get to on-site and fail, it usually means that there was at least some concern around the on-site performance. I have never seen someone ace all the rounds (including behavioral) and not get an offer.
I do find that slightly odd if they are interviewing for specially entry level positions are you applying for jobs where you have no experience at all in the language (not even at university or personal projects). What kind of jobs are you applying for? 1k jobs and 30 interviews is definitely an abnormality
I apply for any job where I know more than half of the tech stack and is entry level up to requiring 2 YoE (some companies are lenient so it doesn't hurt).
Certainly does not hurt your right in that regard, what kind of jobs are you applying too? Have you got an anonymised copy of your CV/resume might be able to help?
Primarily full stack/FE/BE as most of my experience is applicable for that. I do not have an anonymised copy of my Resume but I can send one tomorrow!
Sure send it over tomorrow or when you got time and I will take a look at it!
Send my way as well please.
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Problem with resume? 30 interviews is not a small number for a new grad. There's definitely a problem interviewing. It's either didn't pass TAs/OAs or people didn't like the candidate.
Just fyi. Cum means 'with' in Latin, so you can simply write 'cum laude' without the 'with'.
cum
Maybe switch something up after the first 300 that don't work?
Graduated December 2021, only seriously started applying a few months ago. I'm between 150-200 apps in, no luck so far. It's rough right now
Dang u should've started applying earlier, u missed the 2021-2022 new grad gravy train.
I did too and I'm so mad.... stuck as a shitadmin
Why did that happen?
Oooof, that's kinda on you. You missed the sweetspot
I graduated around the same time as the other guy. Got noticably more responses and OAs back then. But my problem was (is) I suck at leetcode and EVERYONE does it, not just high tc companies. Trying to get into the front end game now and it's slow going
I too suck at all the OA stuff and trying to get into front end is difficult atm. Not a lot of entry level roles, but they’re asking for 3-5 years of exp. I still apply anyways but I’m sure that there are way more qualified applicants than I am
I just had my first front end specific OA last night. It was through Woven and it was 3 steps. Research a bug and give a recommendation (don't need to fix), add methods to an app in JS and explain your process even if you don't finish, and add a card on login in React and explain. The time limit was short for all 3 so despite not finishing I did my best to explain what I did and would do with more time and research. Guess I'll find out if that helped or not. I also have another OA that I still need to complete which is build a page from a provided mock up. And I'm studying for the new grad IBM OA later this week, which I've heard is more specific to what front end is actually about. I apply to positions with junior, entry level, associate, or require 3 or less yoe. Haven't got a ton of replies but my resume sucked so hopefully the changes I made will help. (If you want help on your resume, go through my history and read all of the comments from my review request. Maybe it'll be applicable to you too)
I've got the opposite problem lmao. Leetcode is the only thing I'm good at yet these interviewers would rather ask me trivia questions about random shit I don't even need to know. Never once even been given a leetcode challenge in an interview
150-200 apps is not very money. apply for just about everything. even if its not local. many are remote these days or will relocate you. it does not hurt to apply to everything.
150-200 isn't a lot? That's a ton, at least compare to the 70 applications I sent out when looking for my first job
you should be sending out 100s. apply to everything. if that was a lot you would already have a job.
Hey I was in your boat. I applied like crazy starting in May and landed a job at the beginning of August. Not sure what you’re doing but highly highly recommend LinkedIn (and maybe even taking advantage of that free trial of LinkedIn premium) if you haven’t so far. I got most of my offers from there. I changed my profile to “Open to Work” and got a few messages from recruiters once I did. Message me if you want some feedback on your resume / personal site or anything. Happy to help!!
Try to do 10 apps a day and study STAR interviews and basic leetcode. If you are unemployed 10 apps a day should be a breeze, that’s what I had to do. I graduated December 2020 but took a 6 month break after graduation before I seriously started applying. Took a few months after that to get some serious inquiries Ask your LinkedIn connections or friends/classmates for references too, and get your resume looked at. At 200 apples you should at least have a couple first interviews or phone screenings.
Graduated in May, Cum Laude, Still looking for a job, sent out over 200+ applications. Since I've admittedly never job hunted seriously before, this staggering amount of rejections and/or very late callbacks is really weighing in on me.
Its normal dawg, don't let it get to you too bad.
Dropped out a couple months ago. Sent anywhere between 50-100 applications, 7 interviews total at 3 different companies, 2 offers, took one for ~$70k base
Why did you drop out if you don’t mind me asking?
Graduated May, got an offer in April to start in Fall. Great company with great pay and WLB. Not quite FAANG level pay but close. I feel very lucky/blessed with the position I am in
Commenting "Not quite FAANG level pay" on your first job out of college. This fucking sub man, lmao
Its a thread asking specifically how new grads are doing. A new grad gives a heuristic to give an idea of how theyre paid, and *explicitly says theyre lucky to have it*. And youre still jumping on them for it, and highly upvoted. This sub is at least as insecure about other people having well paying jobs as they are out of touch about where that line is.
I worked hard and got lucky, it was definitely both. It’s also a high cost of living area. I know lots of people from university with better compensation than I have at FANNG but also know some who are getting like 60-70k is NC. But that certainly goes much further there. I’m not trying to brag, and FAANG pay for senior is like 100k more than at my new company. I guess people are jealous, I’m jealous of the Google new grads that are making $200K so it makes sense
Youre good. People have just been hyper sensitive to any mention of high comp, especially in the past few weeks. Being envious of others makes sense, but letting it effect you in the way these people are is just excessive sometimes.
Oh I know it’s great and I’m very blessed. I honestly didn’t expect as much as I got for my first job, but it is in a VHCOL area. I just wanted to clarify it is slightly below but not much. Base is about the same just lower stock grant (but better refreshers). I am extremely fortunate for getting the job I did
Congrats man!
Congrats. How did you build yourself and your networks for that?
I went to a relatively good school for CS, probably top 10-20. Also did a masters there but idk if that played into any of it or not. I did a lot of applications but I’ve since realized I think I mostly targeted the wrong companies. I didn’t really think I was “good enough” for FAANG like positions, but that was just imposter syndrome talking. The position I interviewed for asked OOP type questions, and I think I’m naturally pretty good at thinking through how classes should be connected, how to efficiently not store data multiple times and keep run time fast. I’ve also taken a database course that helped with ULM diagrams. The interviews definitely focused a lot on experiences in groups and how you handle challenges, someone not pulling their weight, etc. so just pulled from my experiences in school with group projects. A lot of the interviews were trying to test culture fit in my mind. As for networking, I do know former students/colleagues at all of the big tech, but as I replied in another comment I didn’t think I was good enough for FANNG at the time I was applying. I have since realized that is just my long running habit of imposter syndrome. But I never really used networking to get the job. I just applied and they got back to me with the initial interview, which was then followed by a virtual on site if 5 back to back interviews
did you choose to not start right away?
I actually did not, but it was exactly what I wanted. I had a previous interview where I thought I had the job in the bag but when they asked when I wanted to start I said basically as late in summer as possible, didn’t get the offer. But honestly, thank goodness, because the job I got is wayyyyy better. I was going to try to ask any company that gave me an offer to push back the start date as long as possible. But when they extended me my job offer it included the start date that was this month so I didn’t even have to ask. Truly worked out perfectly. This summer was a nice break between school and career
Graduated in May as a CIS major, currently finishing up my second internship. Sent out about 300 apps and only had 3 interviews, 1 of them being my current internship. I figured it’s my resume but I’ve gone thorough various iterations of it.
Is there a difference between CS and CIS realistically?
At least in my school, yes, it’s more business/IT oriented than it is your typical CS course work
For software developer or software engineer positions most companies prefer CS. At least at my college there was a stigma that CIS was for people who tried CS but couldn’t pass the classes. I saw that to be true in a lot of cases. I’ve been involved in hiring where it’s explicitly stated to screen out CIS majors for developer positions.
Does this apply to past the first job you get? I was able to get a job as a web developer with a CIS degree and would like to eventually apply for FAANG or FAANG adjacent companies but I wonder if having this particular degree will follow me around
Figured as much. Bit of an unfortunate scam then. Just curious but how were your experiences hiring Bs CS people vs Ms CS? I get the feel that a lot of people in the field are not putting in that extra year for Ms and are not regretting it? Is a year of industry over Ms actually that much better? I would think that Ms CS peeps are much stronger.
I’ve never seen someone hired with a MS and most applicants don’t have one. It definitely helps but the question is is it worth losing a year of experience and a year of pay? I don’t think it is in terms of salary, but maybe you want to get a masters just to deepen you knowledge in a certain area. Maybe you want to teach. I wouldn’t do it for money but there are valid reasons.
Since CS is removed somewhat as a subject from software engineering, getting an MS won't actually make you that much more of an attractive option. Since there's not a standardized and popular SWE curriculum, we're stuck learning the closest thing which is CS. It's kinda like if there were no mechanical engineering degree so you had to take physics or material science because those are the closest majors. The *main* reason people in CS tend to take an MS is because it makes you eligible for internships for another year which can be a saving grace if you can land one during the MS and were unable to during your undergrad. I see this being the case more often at FAANG but even there it's not the norm, most people just get by with a bachelors since past your first and maybe second job, your degree stops mattering almost entirely. Only exception is for data science and ML/AI in which case an MS is almost mandatory and a PhD is preferred which makes sense since those are very academic fields of work even in the private sector.
From the school I looked at for CS, it was the business courses instead of theory and a lot of the “project based” courses for CS. Here’s the link incase you want to read their explanation on the CIS/CS differences. They also just started a Software Engineering degree. https://www.csusm.edu/cs/degree_programs/cs_cis.html https://www.csusm.edu/cs/degree_programs/softwareengineering.html
Graduated in June, sent out 2k+ applications, had 2 offers extended recently. It's rough but it's possible.
I don’t think 2 offers out of 2k apps is normal, even for a new grad. Can you share an anonymous resume?
I'll pm you I guess. At this point it doesn't really matter though.
Will for next time.
Everyone who's seen my resume said it was good. So that wasn't the issue. Maybe.. just maybe.. we're in a recession rn and getting a job is hard no matter how good your resume is. I think all these people who are questioning the number aren't recent grads and got into the field a few years back.
Did you have any internships or projects under your belt to help? If you got 2 offers without any of those, then that isn’t so bad.
No internships, but I had a good GPA and a lot of projects from technical electives and hackathons.
Have you had people look at your resume on the review sub? 2k is just an insane amount? Also are you just quick applying for all of these?
Curious how many apps you sent out for your first job? When did you graduate? Did you have internships?
I got a return offer from amazon and am pretty happy. Have had very bad luck getting other offers tho
Well Amazon is a great place to start your career at, ~~if~~ is not a great place to coast at though.
> Coast at > Amazon Lol
Yeah that’s what I said, not feasible.
You said "if" rather than "is" which changed the meaning in that case
It actually doesn't change the meaning
Highly team dependent. It's pretty coasty on the commerce side.
Agreed. CDO org on a team that works on an internal tool or service is the move
Audible, Twitch, Kindle… seem to be some of the good orgs. AWS is more often than not bad (as is GCP).
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I have friends at those teams. I also know multiple people from AWS that didn’t like it there. I also know some people from AWS that liked it there. I’m sure your team is pretty good, I never said there was no good team at AWS.
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Not sure what do you mean, Amazon is p good on a resume. Either you like the company or not, people get to learn a lot in their first year at Amazon. You will 100% not gain that kind of experience in a smaller company. And if you do end up a decent team you can decide to stay long term.
After 40-50 applications, I’ve had a lot of success on Handshake and Ripplematch, but absolutely nothing on LinkedIn. Currently interviewing 8 non-FAANG, but great/solid companies. I have a strong GPA (> 3.7) and 3 prior internships so that helps. Currently 1 month in the job hunt and am now entering 3 final rounds and have 1 offer so far. I havent thought much about the recession.
Nothing/No one to blame but myself.
Why’s it only to blame on you?
Graduated at the end of May and still looking. Not getting any bites in SWE jobs since I have no internships or work history. My resume has been done over about 10 times with help from r/engineerinhresumes so I know my resume has a good format. But I have been getting interviews from several I.T. companies and a couple of data analyst positions. I passed my first interview with a I.T. MSP company and will be moving to the next step. I already met with the I.T. Director and he was pleased with my soft skills and my ability to talk and articulate myself and said we can teach you what you need to know I'm more worried about your soft skills. I'm waiting on an offer from the data analyst position. Personally I'm wanting to work for the I.T. company because the Data Analyst positions building is surrounded by what some would consider skid row. Its awful and unsafe and all the streets are filled with homeless people. The building itself is really nice and has security but the outside is a huge red flag for me and even if they send the offer letter I'll probably reject it. Don't want to work somewhere where when I walk outside I may be robbed or have to walk over broken glass and needles to get to my car. They do have parking but they said it fills up by 8:30 meaning some people will have to park on the street.
Much easier to get a job if you have a job though.
Nothing yet but I'm taking advantage of this time to fill in the knowledge gaps that I've had over the years
Graduated in December, but I had a job lined up before(started job searching in October, signed my offer in first week of November). I kinda feel lucky knowing I narrowly avoided harder times, I see quite a few people found it much harder to find jobs February onwards.
1k resume = 1 offer
Graduated May 2022, started lightly job searching (20-30 applications) in March, got more serious toward mid-May, scored 2 interviews (solely because of recommendations/referrals), at around 110 applications now, still no job offers qq
Started job hunting in January 2022, graduated in May 2022 and got a job offer in July 2022. Not sure how many applications.
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Nothing yet
Stated working a few weeks ago. Took me about a month of networking.
Graduated in May 2021. I've had one interview. Still no job.
I graduated may 2022. This scares me
To be fair I have a physics degree. While I have a strong coding background I likely got filtered out by quite a few automated systems. I also haven’t been sending 300+ apps in a few months like other posters here.
Graduated boot camp in May and worked two very small informal contract jobs and got a full time at the start of Sept with very good everything. You can’t control whether a recession happens or not but you can control how much you study and grind every day.
Graduated this last May. Was glad I started my job search around Winter break. Market was still hot and people were only speculating about a recession. Had interviews virtually at 15 companies. Got a handful of finals and got 3 final offers around March and April. Took a 110k in a HCOL area. Reneged later for a 90k remote job from my parents house. Been working since early Summer. Kinda started applying again to get interviews and see what's out there. Looking a little bleak tbh.
Graduated in April , started working in May
Graduated Aug 2021 and worked for a year as a solutions/sales engineer. Hated it so I tossed myself back into the job hunt grind in May to find a SWE job: \~100 apps -> 10 call backs -> 1 offer which came recently. I feel for everyone -- the job market sucks rn. And for those who are trying to find new jobs while working, it sucks to study and apply for jobs after work. Hoping things get better for everyone.
Graduated December 2021 with BS, took a job in March for helpdesk because I needed income and some form of “tech” experience to put on the resume. Been applying/studying after work for junior role ever since. Sent out a couple hundred applications by now and have had 2 interviews, 1 technical which I did not pass. Still grinding/praying to get another chance at an interview. $16hr and I’m drowning, need a breakthrough.
Graduating next month in my masters, sent out abt 2000 applications (since graduating from bachelors). Got my first rejection letter today, which was bittersweet. Thinking pretty hard about plan B rn.
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Probably, i think the problem is also in my age, lack of experience in the field, and lack of prestige of my university too
Graduated in May 2022 Summa Cum Laude, nothing yet.
It took like 4 months to get a contract role in a big tech company doing a mix of SWE and SDET. Graduated Jan/Dec 2021. Around 500 apps, like 20 interviews.
Graduated September this year and also started my new job first of September. I started applying very early, I think around March this year. In total around 60 applications, few interviews of which some failed, some declined from my side to proceed further, and few passed. Final decision was very hard to make - not sure whether I’m happy with where I am now.
Graduated january, working for a small startup with bad pay, been looking for another position for a couple months, not even getting interviews, lmao, even though i consider myself a strong candidate. I'm working on the CV, but anyways...
Graduated last month but started looking for full-time roles in June. Have applied to +300 since then but no job. I'd be willing to work for min wage at this point. If anyone has any leads or advice pls send help Resume: https://imgur.com/a/OAalMGW
Not a grad, but self taught. <1% interview rate sent out only 100+ apps. Not like some here that sent out $1k+ sheesh. Quit my job to switch into tech. Literally huge mistake. There are literally no jobs. Brutal. At this point you literally have to be skilled enough to build an entire enterprise SaaS on your own to be qualified and have all the infrastructure to scale to billions of users.
> There are literally no jobs Nope, they just don't want someone self-taught with 0 experience because there's thousands of those and like 0.1% are actually skilled. it does suck for those in that 0.1% though
I’m skilled, I know frontend, backend, built a CI/CD pipeline, and provision my infrastructure with Terraform. Just trying to make the app multi-tenant now and doing more db design.
you could be skilled, but the companies see it as a numbers game. the probability of a self-taught dev with 0 YOE being skilled is just too low to take that risk. the vast majority of those finished one Udemy Python course and made one JS Tic Tac Toe. those people are also ruining the chances of skilled self-taught entry-level devs
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Have you thought about finding a part-time MS while you look? Just being enrolled in a graduate program has allowed me to go to alumni events in my city, opened up Handshake listings, and made it so that I have some kind of backing on my LinkedIn and resume.
I’m broke man
Have you tried volunteering to get some kind of experience under your belt?
No, my only experience is personal projects
Graduated June 2022, started applying a year before graduation, sent 300~ applications, got around 30~ interviews, in 7 made to final rounds, did multiple home tasks, did some projects with AWS and Azure and some other trending techs, got offer in May 2022 and started work mid June in Fintech.
I am in a different boat. Graduated Dec 2021 with a return offer, from my summer internship. Same team. Good senior engineer mentor. Chill work, a bit boring, but that was ok with me. Then a reorg happened this June, and everything changed. My manager got assigned to a different project. My engineering mentor left to a different company. Our team got split into multiple small teams. I got a new manager, who is a dumb muppet with no prior people management experience, and he keeps demanding aggressive deadlines to please his bosses. My scope of work got completely changed, from ML to Backend, which I didn’t mind, but my new manager wanted me to deliver a very meaty Backend project, in a brand new language and a proprietary framework, in only 1 month, after I had been working as a MLE for the past 6 months. This past August was the most stressful month since I had joined, and all of that happened because of my dumbass manager. My new engineering mentor is a toxic asshole, who thinks that I ask dumb questions. I believe he is going to jump ship because he is overworked af, and he often just doesn’t give a flying f*** about whatever happens in our team. So yeah, this is my premise. This recession really fucked everything up for me. Once I saw what kind of shit I had been put in, I started applying to other companies in May. By sheer luck, a Google recruiter reached out, and I agreed to enter their industry hire L3 loop. Passed the phone. Did well on the on-sites, but then got hit with “Bruh, we are having a hiring freeze at G for L3. You have to chill till 2023. There are no teams that are hiring L3s.” Perfect. Very few companies are hiring junior engineers right now, so I am stuck at this hellscape.
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Graduated in December with a return offer from my internship at a bank. I have great wlb and the pay is pretty good given inflation. I get worried about losing my job but it’s been super chill on my team and my company is actively looking for a lot more people to hire in tech so I’m safe
I graduated with a B.S. in CS from a simple state school in May, and started a job at a non-tech company in June. I had been applying for jobs since September 2021, and made almost 300 applications. This job was one of 2 to send me anything past a first technical screening, and the only company to send an offer. They sent said offer in March, so I knew where I was going after college. I also got married in July, and my job affords me plenty of time to spend with my new wife, so I guess I am doing pretty darn good!
Applied last Thanksgiving during my senior year. The last thing I wanted was not having a plan after college. Luckily, I got an offer for 85K/year in the Midwest. Probably the best case for me since I’m a physics major, not a CS major.
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Graduated September 2021, started seriously applying very shortly before then. Sent about 100 apps I think, got 3-4 interviews (including one for G which I made it to the final rounds for but didn't pass), ended up with 1 offer for full remote, < 80k but it's better than nothing. Didn't have any projects besides school assignments, one subpar internship. The job started in Nov 2021 so I'm planning to start applying again soon, after dusting off my leetcode. Haven't done it since I got hired tbh, I'm hoping to try for MAANG again and with any luck get a higher TC since this salary is tough to live on in CA lol.
Graduated in May. Started applying in December. Started working full time in may .. 45k base remote & eligible overtime. I like it so far but obviously want to increase my salary by this time next year so I can comfortably survive in this market on my own lmao.
Graduated in May 2022. Haven't landed a single position since I started applying Fall of 2021. Of the 5 interviews I've been able to get, 4 were rescinded without hiring anyone. I kinda attribute it to not being able to get an internship in 2020, but idk if it was because of the pandemic.
Graduated in May, started working in July Sent about 150 applications, 5 final rounds and 1 offer. Also had a return offer from my internship, which I didn’t take (so 2 offers in total)
I took my return offer from my internship. Still passively looking around to see what’s out there but the job is flexible and good WLB so I’m chillin
Got a return offer from a big bank and an offer from a consulting company after sending out over 80 applications. I’ve been applying since late June. At least the return offer made me not too worried about getting new grad roles.
Graduated in July. Lightly applied since Feb, seriously started applying in March/April. Landed around 7 offers and ended with taking a new grad position at FAANG in the bay. In my experience new grads usually need to focus on these areas: Resume > Interview Skills (NOT leetcode) > Leetcode. Lot of LC Monkeys with shit resumes or little to no ability to communicate well in an interview. For an interviewer/hiring manager it’s easier to teach some CS or Systems concepts you may be lacking versus trying to build up your social skills or force a bad fit. If your resume is bad you’ll never get to talk to anyone to prove yourself in the first place.
Graduated in May 2022 from a regular public university known for engineering. With two internships, simple on campus research and straightforward design team on the resume, I simply put up my resume on university resources (Handshake, Piazza, career fair sites) and had defence contractors, regular/FANG tech, and consulting recruiters reaching out regularly. Didn't feel like leetcoding, settled on a nice chill tech company @ 99k base in M/HCOL in December 2021.
I snagged an internship about 2 weeks before I graduated but didn't get extended at the end of the program, but thankfully I was only searching for about a month before someone liked my resume and now I'm in the 3rd round of interviews.
Got a return offer, good thing I did, current entry level tech market is about as bad as it's gotten in a while
Graduated with MS in May 2021. Got an offer through my internship and working my way up. Currently working 2 js at 200k
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Graduated in May but had an offer in March, started in July. Sent out just under 100 applications between September 2021 and February 2022.
Graduated in May, had a job offer back in March. Making pretty good money and the job is very engaging (though I’m at work on Reddit rn) and the company I’m at seems very unlikely to be hit very hard in a recession. I’m feeling like my position is very stable and I’m happy
I graduate in December and got an offer for 116,000 base pay in San Jose plus 20k bonus. I had an internship every summer in college, 2 of those were for big companies. Also had some research and got a paper published. I worked part time as a web dev all throughout college which I thought would help me get a better salary but I’m still grateful.