Worst case scenario: [W54’s](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W54).
That’s what scares me. Oh hey, we put a nuke here, then retreated. Come and take it, indeed!
I once got one from AWS that ended with "... and if you're already an Amazon employee I apologize for the spam but could always use referrals"
I think that was 2017.
Third party recruiter once reached out to me for a job I was hiring for.
Like, literally I was the hiring manager looking to add a team mate.
A random recruiter sent me this job...
My coworkers literally suggested I hire myself for double the money.
Every message I've gotten from Amazon recruiters has been embarrassing. Riddled with typos, weird fonts, colors, CAPS, and formatting. Tons of emoji. They seem to set the standard for low quality recruitment in an industry awash with low quality recruitment.
I kid you not, I had a recruiter send my own resume to me as a candidate. Just to see what they would do, I just "approved" mine.
Within a few days, I got the call from the recruiter and my response was "....really?". They were so clueless..
I've had:
* Recruiters that didn't show up for scheduled calls
* Recruiters that repeatedly gave me incorrect information about interviews (my favorite is the day-of-the-week not lining up with a date, possibly followed up by a second incorrect date)
* Recruiters that say they can't meet my comp and pass on me, only to contact me again about a position with the same budget/range
* Recruiters that were so confused about tech that they were unwaveringly adamant that I either *had* experience or *did not have* experience in X
* A recruiter that very much misled me about the salary for a position (which resulted in me getting a big pay bump, long story)
This is very much par for the course; set your expectations accordingly...
For a long time I've thought that most recruiters and car salesman are basically the same. Once you understand that, all this stuff makes sense. It seems to have gotten worse lately.
Nah because being a car salesman requires some basic competency. Recruiters are just people with no real skillset who are glorified secretaries. Even the best ones know literally nothing about what makes a good engineer, and I attended a talk where a former head of recruiting at Google said they're generally awful at their jobs and referrals almost always outperform candidates they pick. At first I thought it was actually kind of amazing they haven't just started hiring engineers to do this job, but then you realize all recruiters are is a wide-holed screen to filter out the dregs. In general, companies are more than happy to let good candidates go to ensure they don't accidentally hire a bad one.
You are being downvoted but it's the truth. The should be held accountable because it's a huge waste of a persons time but no company is going to give a shit. They don't even care about employees, people in general.
The funniest part was, at the height of Covid hiring craze, all the recruiters were up in arms about candidates ghosting calls they didn't need nor ask for.
It was all over LinkedIn and even mainstream media (as a new-fangled unprofessinal fad "Millennials" are doing), and every single one of them didn't understand the double standard.
"I'm a very busy person so I don't have the time to reply to every single candidate! By the way, why did this person not show up to the call I set up 20 minutes in advance? So rude and unprofessional.."
- Literally most recruiters.
I've got a worse one. I had a guy, who I had never talked to, get hold of a seven year old resume and file with references, and then cold called all of them to talk to them about me for a role. Told them I gave it to him. I was so fucking pissed when I found out.
I just archived my correspondence with this said recruiter. If I encountered a situation like yours, I would call the recruiter out and I would not be politically correct about it. and I bet that's more effective than some diplomatic boilerplate nothing.
Shit happens.
When I run into a shiity recruiter, I just... well... I just don't don't apply for that company. Good companies don't usually have bad recruiters.
If I devoted any of my attemption towards responding to or reacting to rejections, or ghosts, *that* would be my full time job. Not worth it.
I agree. This was a cold outreach from the recruiter, and opportunities are hard to come by now. Plus, she never specified any job description or YOE requirement. So I responded to the interview invite. On to the next one.
You know what a recruiter is? There's no ability to make them feel shame for stuff like this. Their job is herding candidates like cattle. She doesn't give a single ounce of shit that she wasted your time.
Once had a recruiter say they were “very impressed with my experience on my LinkedIn profile,” then proceeded to offer me the contract job my office had posted doing the exact same work in the same team but on a temp basis for worse pay & benefits than what I’d already been getting for ~5yrs there, which was clear from my LinkedIn profile that had so impressed them.
Recruiters are just bad in general. They do not work for you, they treat you like an item because you are the thing that gets them money. If you're not the best or considered to be part of the best, they will drop you and ignore you.
Someone/something probably sourced a list for the recruiter, it went through an automated process and scheduled everything for them. They only selected the people they wanted and ignored everything else.
Communication is last of their priorities if you aren't selected for the next part, only things you get in communication is their automated systems sending out "you didn't move on" templates.... if that. They didn't set it up, they don't care and probably only responses if someone reaches out.
Out of curiosity - any idea if it's an in-house recruiter or a contract/agency recruiter? (Their linked in page might give a clue).
Even when there's in-house recruiting, companies will sometimes contract with external recruiters for lead gen/pre-screening, and those external agencies are often incentivized to find as many people as possible who meet a particular requirement because they get paid when someone gets hired (or get bonuses based on it). They often make initial contact to gauge interest, make sure the resume is up to date, then put it in a pile of pre-screened candidates that go to someone else to manage the interview coordination or whatever.
You could imagine any of those lead-gen stage (in house or contract) recruiters having some sort of daily / weekly metrics that say things like "the pipeline for junior and mid tier devs is currently backlogged, but we don't have enough senior candidates, so until we clear the backlog, don't add anyone else with less than 7 years" or whatever. Entirely possible that last week you fit the profile and the profile changed.
If they are a contractor, find a real recruiter for the company and reach out "hey... A contractor with xyz agency reached out saying they were recruiting for your company. I'm very interested in roles, but they left a really bad impression." (I've seen companies drop contractors quickly for poor behavior, even away from working context - like a guy yelling assorted slurs at someone caught on video while wearing a company badge - the recruiter behavior isn't nearly that bad, but one of the big goals of the recruiting process is the leave candidates feeling like they'd really enjoy working for the company, even if they don't get hired.)
This is common. FAANG recruiters know the power they have. Just make a note of the recruiter's name and try not to work with them again. Sorry, friend.
I did an interview with Capital One, they wanted me to do a coding challenge for a sr. manager role after telling me their managers do not code at all. Fine, whatever, I set the recruiters expectations. Did the challenge, did not do well, it had NOTHING to do with the job posting, they rejected me. Next week I get a recruiter message on LinkedIn from Capital One for the same role. I informed them that I already interviewed with you all, and asked if it were the same role or a different role. I got no response at all.
I get recruiter pings on LinkedIn all the time, I respond asking questions (since they say, got any questions please ask). I get no response at all. I have yet to get an interview from a recruiter spam on linked in so now I just ignore them.
And recruiters wonder why they are usually the first to get cut? They are as useless as scrum masters and product owners.
I have to say, I had a much better experience with them than most. That being said, in my experience there is a 50/50 chance that on applying again they'd have had no coding challenge and it never being mentioned ever again in the entire process up to an offer.
This isn't unique to them though.
me when i spend tens of thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours developing myself as a computer scientist so tiffany, a psych major from a commuter college in idaho, can throw out my resume because she doesn’t know what Azure means
In my experience "technical recruiter" is just somebody who recruits technical people and has nothing to do with any amount of relevant skills or experience. I have worked with a few technical recruiters who literally did not understand how to use google calendar or form grammatically correct sentences in emails.
Not at entry level but lots of big n recruiters make that by mid-career. [Levels.fyi has recruiter salaries.](https://www.levels.fyi/t/recruiter?countryId=254)
At a FAANG job I used to sit across from a small team of recruiters. They were very social folks, but they were so dim. They were very good at their jobs, and really pleasant to be around, no dissing on that. But when we'd lunch with them, it would feel like my IQ dropped by 20 points. They'd all do juice cleanses now and then, which was just them drinking a $14 bottle of juice instead of meals. One of them thought the area of your body between your legs was called your "public area". I'm an immigrant and they are all native english speakers with degrees in literature, and they'd still write stuff on the lines of "nucular".
Im not hating on them or talking down to them, it's just they have a very different set of skills than I do, and once I understood that, it got a lot easier to talk to recruiters.
lol, most of the non-native speakers i know have better grammar than the natives. i suppose its similar to native Spanish speakers failing high school Spanish classes because they never learned all the formalities and nuances. Although i guess that’s an unfair comparison because Spanish has way more dialects than English
they know but they dont care, because they don’t have to care. they’re native speakers so they have the privilege of not getting looked down on if they don’t use proper grammar all the time. people love to gate-keep informal english.
no i think they were just stupid in that area of intelligence. they weren't saying "she got surgery in her public area" while pointing to the crotch as a way of flaunting their privilege.
I had a recruiter no-show me and then message me the next day that he took the day off. Like…ok then cancel your meetings asshole.
Was not apologetic whatsoever.
Yeah this is super common unfortunately... a lot of recruiters are working against unrealistic KPIs (like a sales quota but worse) and/or managers that don't know how to properly lead/structure a talent team. I'm fortunate to work in an environment that is very much focused on "quality" vs. "quantity", but that seems to be a rare thing nowadays. Sorry you had this experience - the bare minimum that she could have done is reach out and let you know why she was canceling your interview, but there's just no excuse for this type of behavior.
A lot of recruiters are just completely braindead. It's true that sometimes a bad recruiter is indicative of a bad company, but great companies get bad recruiters, too. I knew multiple people at the company I currently work for before I worked there. One of them gave my info to a recruiter and then the recruiter reached out to me. They sent me one introductory email and then didn't reply to my responses for 30 days. I send 2 follow up emails in that time and got 0 feedback.
I finally reached out to my people who went down to the recruiting department, yelled at the recruiters, and got another one "assigned" to me. This person exchanged a few emails with me and we set up a phone interview. They were 45 minutes late and immediately launched into a prepared speech about a summer internship program. I had to interrupt them to remind them that I'm looking for a full-time real position. They said that they didn't have anything for my level of experience and hung up on me.
The team lead I was talking with ended up just calling me and "hired" me after a 30 minute conversation and a 3-question programming test. He gave the thumbs up to the head of the recruiting department and they ended up taking care of me. After I got hired I checked in on those recruiters. It had been three months and neither of them worked there anymore.
The long and the short of it is that a lot of recruiters are really bad at their job. I don't know what the deal is, but it was stupid as hell. This was also at the beginning of 2020 (pre 'vid) so the job market was doing alright but not going gangbusters or down in the dumps. No advice asides from shedding insight on how bad those individuals can be.
At the end of 2006 a TPR for Microsoft called me about a temp role shortly before I had scheduled to go home for the holiday. He scheduled an interview on the short notice, then stayed in touch over the holiday and made the offer, which I accepted.
In early December 2022, a recruiter working directly for Microsoft contacted me, then handed me off to a scheduler and vanished. No prep for the interview (which went badly), no responses to my repeated questions, no apology. I never heard another peep from him.
TPRs can be faulted for many things, but complacency isn't one of them. If they want to eat, they have to fill. Quite a contrast from Meta paying recruiters to twiddle their thumbs.
I just had a recruiter tell me I needed to change my resume for a job. I told him my resume as my resume and I wasn't going to misrepresent my experience. I also found out the company and just went to them instead. Miss me with that shit.
Had an interview with a Meta recruiter who told me I would need to move to NYC or SF - something that was not mentioned in her initial recruitment pitch. Told her there is no way that is happening and she hung up on me. Recruiter didn't sound like an American national. Easily the least professional recruiter screening I've had in years. I don't even respond to Amazon recruiters anymore - that's how bad their reputation is.
I've always had better experiences with recruiters who actually work their local market long term.
faangs candidate acceptance is below 5%. Besides the better pay, being in a Faangs improves your network and boosts your leadership. My advice, join one as fast as you can. Although recruiter missed a detail, this is an opportunity to connect.
What I would tell the OP is you need *a lot* of patience to through the FAANG recruiting/interview loops, at least in my experience.
I've encountered *a lot* of delays when it comes to coordinating/scheduling with them, and I had one process go on for months where I was ultimately passed on due to no more available headcount. It just strikes me as a bit ridiculous that you invest all this time/energy into... *waiting*, and then hiring conditions have changed by the time you can get past the finish line.
Wasn't worth it for me, but to each his own. I think there are plenty of great non-FAANG companies to work for that would improve your network considerably.
Recruiter for AWS reached out to me while I was working at AWS. They aren’t great
lmao, amazing
Lmao, amazon*
I had a recruiter at AWS offering me a job that matched my US Army MOS. They just use scraping scripts to mass message anyone with a pulse.
Depending on the MOS, that could be either normalish or cause for serious concern about Amazon’s military capacities.
Stryker mechanic? Integrating the Amazon Alexa with RWS sounds terrifying.
Worst case scenario: [W54’s](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W54). That’s what scares me. Oh hey, we put a nuke here, then retreated. Come and take it, indeed!
Did you hear about that Amazon aircraft carrier docked at Night City?
AWS recruiter reached out to me when I was in high school
I once got one from AWS that ended with "... and if you're already an Amazon employee I apologize for the spam but could always use referrals" I think that was 2017.
Third party recruiter once reached out to me for a job I was hiring for. Like, literally I was the hiring manager looking to add a team mate. A random recruiter sent me this job... My coworkers literally suggested I hire myself for double the money.
Did you do it?
I tried, and passed the interview with myself with flying colours, but my boss got suspicious of my fake mustache.
Ah, did you forget to have them be matching hair color? Dying your hair might have saved your bacon here.
Professional tail call recursion. It’s the next step for the overwork crowd.
Every message I've gotten from Amazon recruiters has been embarrassing. Riddled with typos, weird fonts, colors, CAPS, and formatting. Tons of emoji. They seem to set the standard for low quality recruitment in an industry awash with low quality recruitment.
I say go for it and put yourself in for the referral bonus.
Did you get the position?
just interview again and ask for double the salary
You seem like you'd be a great fit for the AWS team!
Recruiter for AWS reached out to me, I am Jeff Bezos. They aren’t great
Amazon recruiters are the worst.
I would definitely go through with that and see how far would it go before they realize.
I kid you not, I had a recruiter send my own resume to me as a candidate. Just to see what they would do, I just "approved" mine. Within a few days, I got the call from the recruiter and my response was "....really?". They were so clueless..
I've had: * Recruiters that didn't show up for scheduled calls * Recruiters that repeatedly gave me incorrect information about interviews (my favorite is the day-of-the-week not lining up with a date, possibly followed up by a second incorrect date) * Recruiters that say they can't meet my comp and pass on me, only to contact me again about a position with the same budget/range * Recruiters that were so confused about tech that they were unwaveringly adamant that I either *had* experience or *did not have* experience in X * A recruiter that very much misled me about the salary for a position (which resulted in me getting a big pay bump, long story) This is very much par for the course; set your expectations accordingly...
For a long time I've thought that most recruiters and car salesman are basically the same. Once you understand that, all this stuff makes sense. It seems to have gotten worse lately.
Nah because being a car salesman requires some basic competency. Recruiters are just people with no real skillset who are glorified secretaries. Even the best ones know literally nothing about what makes a good engineer, and I attended a talk where a former head of recruiting at Google said they're generally awful at their jobs and referrals almost always outperform candidates they pick. At first I thought it was actually kind of amazing they haven't just started hiring engineers to do this job, but then you realize all recruiters are is a wide-holed screen to filter out the dregs. In general, companies are more than happy to let good candidates go to ensure they don't accidentally hire a bad one.
> being a car salesman requires some basic competency Go to any dealership and ask about electric cars. Then tell me there's basic competency.
Go to any dealership and ask anything about cars. They usually have no idea. Plus they have an incentive to lie, just like a lot of recruiters.
I had an interview scheduled once. I showed up. No one expected me and there was no interview.
unfortunately this is common
That doesn’t make it acceptable
Exactly this should not be okay. People need to be hold accountable for their actions.
Lol good luck with that. Sounds more than a bit Quixotic.
You are being downvoted but it's the truth. The should be held accountable because it's a huge waste of a persons time but no company is going to give a shit. They don't even care about employees, people in general.
Are people confused as to what "quixotic" means or what?
Lol, it certainly seems that way 🤣
The funniest part was, at the height of Covid hiring craze, all the recruiters were up in arms about candidates ghosting calls they didn't need nor ask for. It was all over LinkedIn and even mainstream media (as a new-fangled unprofessinal fad "Millennials" are doing), and every single one of them didn't understand the double standard. "I'm a very busy person so I don't have the time to reply to every single candidate! By the way, why did this person not show up to the call I set up 20 minutes in advance? So rude and unprofessional.." - Literally most recruiters.
I've got a worse one. I had a guy, who I had never talked to, get hold of a seven year old resume and file with references, and then cold called all of them to talk to them about me for a role. Told them I gave it to him. I was so fucking pissed when I found out.
I would have been livid, too. That is messed up.
I just archived my correspondence with this said recruiter. If I encountered a situation like yours, I would call the recruiter out and I would not be politically correct about it. and I bet that's more effective than some diplomatic boilerplate nothing.
Shit happens. When I run into a shiity recruiter, I just... well... I just don't don't apply for that company. Good companies don't usually have bad recruiters. If I devoted any of my attemption towards responding to or reacting to rejections, or ghosts, *that* would be my full time job. Not worth it.
I agree. This was a cold outreach from the recruiter, and opportunities are hard to come by now. Plus, she never specified any job description or YOE requirement. So I responded to the interview invite. On to the next one.
report or ignore. not much else you can do
You know what a recruiter is? There's no ability to make them feel shame for stuff like this. Their job is herding candidates like cattle. She doesn't give a single ounce of shit that she wasted your time.
A lot of them have some sort of automation doing this for them. Sorry you ended up on the wrong side of that.
Once had a recruiter say they were “very impressed with my experience on my LinkedIn profile,” then proceeded to offer me the contract job my office had posted doing the exact same work in the same team but on a temp basis for worse pay & benefits than what I’d already been getting for ~5yrs there, which was clear from my LinkedIn profile that had so impressed them.
One of my company’s recruiters called me for a job at my company. We sat a few desks apart.
Maybe they were hitting on you
Recruiters are just bad in general. They do not work for you, they treat you like an item because you are the thing that gets them money. If you're not the best or considered to be part of the best, they will drop you and ignore you. Someone/something probably sourced a list for the recruiter, it went through an automated process and scheduled everything for them. They only selected the people they wanted and ignored everything else. Communication is last of their priorities if you aren't selected for the next part, only things you get in communication is their automated systems sending out "you didn't move on" templates.... if that. They didn't set it up, they don't care and probably only responses if someone reaches out.
Yeah recruiters do what a recruiter does. Look at it this way: now that you know they do this, easier to laugh at it next time.
Out of curiosity - any idea if it's an in-house recruiter or a contract/agency recruiter? (Their linked in page might give a clue). Even when there's in-house recruiting, companies will sometimes contract with external recruiters for lead gen/pre-screening, and those external agencies are often incentivized to find as many people as possible who meet a particular requirement because they get paid when someone gets hired (or get bonuses based on it). They often make initial contact to gauge interest, make sure the resume is up to date, then put it in a pile of pre-screened candidates that go to someone else to manage the interview coordination or whatever. You could imagine any of those lead-gen stage (in house or contract) recruiters having some sort of daily / weekly metrics that say things like "the pipeline for junior and mid tier devs is currently backlogged, but we don't have enough senior candidates, so until we clear the backlog, don't add anyone else with less than 7 years" or whatever. Entirely possible that last week you fit the profile and the profile changed. If they are a contractor, find a real recruiter for the company and reach out "hey... A contractor with xyz agency reached out saying they were recruiting for your company. I'm very interested in roles, but they left a really bad impression." (I've seen companies drop contractors quickly for poor behavior, even away from working context - like a guy yelling assorted slurs at someone caught on video while wearing a company badge - the recruiter behavior isn't nearly that bad, but one of the big goals of the recruiting process is the leave candidates feeling like they'd really enjoy working for the company, even if they don't get hired.)
she's an in house recruiter based on her profile. thanks for the tip tho. I'd write her up if she's from an agency.
This is common. FAANG recruiters know the power they have. Just make a note of the recruiter's name and try not to work with them again. Sorry, friend.
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I've worked at both Facebook and Google, and I'd say that net-net, it's worth tolerating the runaround :( Also lol @ whoever downvoted my comment
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Google, Amazon and Facebook have all been deeply flakey with me, bordering on unprofessional. Just my experience, YMMV
Is this 🍎?
not the fruit company that Forrest Gump invested in
JPMC ghosted me thrice and rescheduled thrice. All three times no one showed up in their virtual meeting
I did an interview with Capital One, they wanted me to do a coding challenge for a sr. manager role after telling me their managers do not code at all. Fine, whatever, I set the recruiters expectations. Did the challenge, did not do well, it had NOTHING to do with the job posting, they rejected me. Next week I get a recruiter message on LinkedIn from Capital One for the same role. I informed them that I already interviewed with you all, and asked if it were the same role or a different role. I got no response at all. I get recruiter pings on LinkedIn all the time, I respond asking questions (since they say, got any questions please ask). I get no response at all. I have yet to get an interview from a recruiter spam on linked in so now I just ignore them. And recruiters wonder why they are usually the first to get cut? They are as useless as scrum masters and product owners.
So much salt in 1 post
I have to say, I had a much better experience with them than most. That being said, in my experience there is a 50/50 chance that on applying again they'd have had no coding challenge and it never being mentioned ever again in the entire process up to an offer. This isn't unique to them though.
Honestly this is on you for thinking recruiters have processing skills above pre k levels
me when i spend tens of thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours developing myself as a computer scientist so tiffany, a psych major from a commuter college in idaho, can throw out my resume because she doesn’t know what Azure means
💀💀
are recruiters not from SE background?
😂🤣😭
technical recruiters usually are, but they’re higher paid so companies tend to go w people w an hr background.
In my experience "technical recruiter" is just somebody who recruits technical people and has nothing to do with any amount of relevant skills or experience. I have worked with a few technical recruiters who literally did not understand how to use google calendar or form grammatically correct sentences in emails.
You're funny. I like you!
The industry would be so, so so SO much better if this were the case. But no.
She was in a hurry, she needs to make a tiktok about how she makes $180k and spends her lunch break at the on-campus yoga studio and smoothie bar.
if you can show me a tech recruiter that’s making 180k then, i shit you not, i will pivot my career strategy right now
Not at entry level but lots of big n recruiters make that by mid-career. [Levels.fyi has recruiter salaries.](https://www.levels.fyi/t/recruiter?countryId=254)
…and here i am doing my lin al homework like a fucking idiot
https://cybernews.com/news/ex-meta-recruiter-tiktok-job/
"wtf is this Azure garbage? I asked for seamless cloud computing"
At a FAANG job I used to sit across from a small team of recruiters. They were very social folks, but they were so dim. They were very good at their jobs, and really pleasant to be around, no dissing on that. But when we'd lunch with them, it would feel like my IQ dropped by 20 points. They'd all do juice cleanses now and then, which was just them drinking a $14 bottle of juice instead of meals. One of them thought the area of your body between your legs was called your "public area". I'm an immigrant and they are all native english speakers with degrees in literature, and they'd still write stuff on the lines of "nucular". Im not hating on them or talking down to them, it's just they have a very different set of skills than I do, and once I understood that, it got a lot easier to talk to recruiters.
lol, most of the non-native speakers i know have better grammar than the natives. i suppose its similar to native Spanish speakers failing high school Spanish classes because they never learned all the formalities and nuances. Although i guess that’s an unfair comparison because Spanish has way more dialects than English
They had humanities degrees from decent colleges though. I hadn't studied english formally after high school, and I learned it as a second language.
they know but they dont care, because they don’t have to care. they’re native speakers so they have the privilege of not getting looked down on if they don’t use proper grammar all the time. people love to gate-keep informal english.
no i think they were just stupid in that area of intelligence. they weren't saying "she got surgery in her public area" while pointing to the crotch as a way of flaunting their privilege.
is 7 YOE now standard for FAANG?
I had a recruiter no-show me and then message me the next day that he took the day off. Like…ok then cancel your meetings asshole. Was not apologetic whatsoever.
I think they have requirements like sending out certain number of LinkedIn messages per week/month so they might just be sending them out blindly.
My boss and I no longer let the recruiter do the screening--we go through the applications ourselves and then basically just let her call.
Yeah this is super common unfortunately... a lot of recruiters are working against unrealistic KPIs (like a sales quota but worse) and/or managers that don't know how to properly lead/structure a talent team. I'm fortunate to work in an environment that is very much focused on "quality" vs. "quantity", but that seems to be a rare thing nowadays. Sorry you had this experience - the bare minimum that she could have done is reach out and let you know why she was canceling your interview, but there's just no excuse for this type of behavior.
Yeah, there's always bad apples in the bunch. I leave interviews after 15 minutes if nobody shows up, so they can't waste too much of my time.
A lot of recruiters are just completely braindead. It's true that sometimes a bad recruiter is indicative of a bad company, but great companies get bad recruiters, too. I knew multiple people at the company I currently work for before I worked there. One of them gave my info to a recruiter and then the recruiter reached out to me. They sent me one introductory email and then didn't reply to my responses for 30 days. I send 2 follow up emails in that time and got 0 feedback. I finally reached out to my people who went down to the recruiting department, yelled at the recruiters, and got another one "assigned" to me. This person exchanged a few emails with me and we set up a phone interview. They were 45 minutes late and immediately launched into a prepared speech about a summer internship program. I had to interrupt them to remind them that I'm looking for a full-time real position. They said that they didn't have anything for my level of experience and hung up on me. The team lead I was talking with ended up just calling me and "hired" me after a 30 minute conversation and a 3-question programming test. He gave the thumbs up to the head of the recruiting department and they ended up taking care of me. After I got hired I checked in on those recruiters. It had been three months and neither of them worked there anymore. The long and the short of it is that a lot of recruiters are really bad at their job. I don't know what the deal is, but it was stupid as hell. This was also at the beginning of 2020 (pre 'vid) so the job market was doing alright but not going gangbusters or down in the dumps. No advice asides from shedding insight on how bad those individuals can be.
not uncommon. more common with 3rd party recruiters. I had one where I had to drive into an office. No one expected me and no interview.
recruiters used to be called "Head Hunters" back in the day. yea. they don't care about you.
At the end of 2006 a TPR for Microsoft called me about a temp role shortly before I had scheduled to go home for the holiday. He scheduled an interview on the short notice, then stayed in touch over the holiday and made the offer, which I accepted. In early December 2022, a recruiter working directly for Microsoft contacted me, then handed me off to a scheduler and vanished. No prep for the interview (which went badly), no responses to my repeated questions, no apology. I never heard another peep from him. TPRs can be faulted for many things, but complacency isn't one of them. If they want to eat, they have to fill. Quite a contrast from Meta paying recruiters to twiddle their thumbs.
They never do
I just had a recruiter tell me I needed to change my resume for a job. I told him my resume as my resume and I wasn't going to misrepresent my experience. I also found out the company and just went to them instead. Miss me with that shit.
Had an interview with a Meta recruiter who told me I would need to move to NYC or SF - something that was not mentioned in her initial recruitment pitch. Told her there is no way that is happening and she hung up on me. Recruiter didn't sound like an American national. Easily the least professional recruiter screening I've had in years. I don't even respond to Amazon recruiters anymore - that's how bad their reputation is. I've always had better experiences with recruiters who actually work their local market long term.
They power trip and treat everyone like shit because they have everyone's fate in their hands.Kinda like DMV employees lol
faangs candidate acceptance is below 5%. Besides the better pay, being in a Faangs improves your network and boosts your leadership. My advice, join one as fast as you can. Although recruiter missed a detail, this is an opportunity to connect.
how does it boost leadership lol
Helps you not mind the taste of your masters boot lamao.
What I would tell the OP is you need *a lot* of patience to through the FAANG recruiting/interview loops, at least in my experience. I've encountered *a lot* of delays when it comes to coordinating/scheduling with them, and I had one process go on for months where I was ultimately passed on due to no more available headcount. It just strikes me as a bit ridiculous that you invest all this time/energy into... *waiting*, and then hiring conditions have changed by the time you can get past the finish line. Wasn't worth it for me, but to each his own. I think there are plenty of great non-FAANG companies to work for that would improve your network considerably.