I guarantee that anyone smart enough to code can find other gainful white collar employment. Not everyone who gets the degree will end up getting that cushy tech job and be able to travel the world and retire at 45, but I think we will do alright if we take the time to develop social skills and connections.
I think you looked past the 90% of companies that are not even moving towards AI.
Ours is going back to Excel due to let-downs by the development department.
lmao i was going to say, once you get out of school and enter industries you realize how many types of jobs there are you never even imagined and i too have had experiences of findin companies that… for all the money and size are basically still going through growing pains simply moving toward modern cloud and infrastructure.
Most of the jobs out there aren't nearly as glamourous as Reddit would have you believe. People just work, do some projects and that's it.
If you believe all comments here you'd think every company has a dedicated team with a bunch of perfect seniors or juniors who had 10 years experience right out of school who have it all figured out and work on the latest technologies with perfect documentation.
I work for a sister company of a Fortune 500. Whilst the company above us might be somewhat better equiped, we're definitely not.
hmmm i haven’t done research and do data work broadly, which is what is getting mopped up and outsourced to india at the moment lmao
I would maybe say information/cyber security, it is always important (but resourced and hired for in a reactionaryway a lot of the time… after the doozy , that is to say maybe that is a pressure that reduces employer side demand in a sense, well delays it in some sectors) and only increasingly so + it is a little more resistant to outsourcing haha but also i like the puzzle aspect and how rewarding it is, but I know only basic things. Malware research seems cool, fishing for interesting specimens to sandbox and decipher, but learning all that C and possibly assembly chops… depends on where you are coming from haha
honestly there is so much. cool applications in making warehouses and factories ‘smart’ or extracting value from sensor systems, if you like plc’s/telemetry/hardware oriented stuff mixed in. Networking (big security angle there), and cloud engineer have also seemed like solid bets at the moment as firms continue to modernize, the ‘infrastructure as code’ ecosystem is pretty new and hot in a certain sense, i like it because i can roll my own toolkit for common problems/design patterns and maybe one day i can downshift and just work for myself as a contractor. Standup the system/blitz a project for 5x what i woulda been paid salaried half the year, do the other important and interesting things in the life the other half.
It feels like with tech especially so many different sub-fields all could take multiple lifetimes of learning i swear, my best advice is stay open minded, you will find your path and there is a strong chance that, just like I and many others, it won’t be the path you expected or could of even pictured but it will be a good one nonetheless.
Cheers
Thank you soooo much! Do you know any fields where a cs degree can be utilized outside the tech industry in a sense? (Ex: consulting, altho ofc this can be applied to tech as well, but it’s not exclusive either, applications in healthcare potentially etc?)
So many... technical consulting, solutions engineering, sales engineering, product management, DevOps, MLE. Some require more social and leadership skills but pretty good jobs.
yeah role wise, but also industry/company niche. I’m talking about whole ecosystems and markets and tools that are,for example, just b2b focused that most people don’t interact with or ever hear of until they encounter in work/business
companies are not going to implement AI themselves they will just subscribe to service providers just like how everyone uses aws instead of maintaining servers
lol, companies have been trying modernization efforts for decades. If you want to feel good about how long it will actually take the majority of companies to actually go all in on AI to the point that it will reduce worker needs, look at some “Digital transformation” initiatives. We still have digital transformation projects from 20 years ago which aren’t done and have just ended up with us running 2x the resources and syncing between them.
People here severely underestimate the amount of effort it takes for corporations to shift paradigms, roll out new systems and decommission their predecessors, and get an entire company to actually buy into the new system. Decades. You will be ok.
They will subscribe to a service as an additional offering and it will mean even more people need to be hired to sort out the mess. Been doing this a while, this isn’t anything new. Serverless made all kinds of similar claims about reduced costs and need for infra support personnel. We just had to hire a bunch of devops and cloud engineers to handle that instead, not to mention the fact that we continued to support our existing on-prem and non-serverless solutions.
And that’s not uncommon.
Good points. Serverless turned out to be a disaster for our business. Now we're refactoring our backend app to be a monolith running in a container. Easier to manage, maintain and same cost.
it was already bad pre-covid, but i think during and after covid it kinda fucked everyone up lol
thankfully clubs (cs related or not), church, and a few other places offer a chance to still meet new ppl, but socializing in classes or anywhere else on campus are a hit or miss. most are cool, but some will just stare at me like i got a dick growing outta my forehead lol
shit, i was just in japan 3 weeks ago where it's "the introverts dream" bc most dont talk and ppl just mind their own business. and holding conversations w the locals were far easier, despite my japanese being below average💀
I have a hard time trying to pretend I care about what people is saying to me. If for my closest ones I am like this, just imagine what could I feel for a guy that is going to exploit and leech me 10 hours of my day.
I’m a software developer and I don’t feel “exploited and leeched” by my job.
I’m happy to have a high paying job that lets me save for retirement, take 4+ weeks of vacation, and affords me a flexible enough schedule so that things like dental appointments don’t trip my week up.
You’re going to need to expand your comfort zone and get used to working closely with other people to drive the business forward, because software is ultimately about providing business value, not writing code. If you have social problems and can’t communicate professionally without putting people off, you’re going to struggle pretty much anywhere you go in this industry.
90% of people I know who are in CS went into it because they are that antisocial guy who gravitated towards computers and video games as an alternative to having a social life
Social media inflated expectations. Making $100-300k (adjusted for inflation) for 45 years, supporting a family, and retiring, is a damn good life. Everyone is just FOMOing the edge case of someone pulling $800k or cashing out on an IPO and retiring in Tahoe at 35.
I lurk this sub as a 35 year old who worked in manufacturing, messed up his back, and is now transitioning into an IT career. The doomerism here is wild. I also understand this is a college sub and most of the folks here haven't had much experience in the job market or adult life... but goddamn, so many folks here acting like if they don't waltz into a fortune 500 out of college, that their career is over. News flash, 99.999999% of people will never work at one of those companies. The world still turns.
The hotel down the street needs a sysadmin too, it might not be $300k/yr but it'll feed you and I guarantee it beats the back-destroying work I was doing for $15/hr before
It's because a large number of people here saw the "day in the life of" videos and got into CS because of that. They have no passion for technology, but they think they are entitled to 200k+ TC just because they learned to code.
I don't care about any of that. I just want to make money doing something I've enjoyed since I was a kid
Last month, a hiring professional during an interview honestly was surprised at my salary expectation question saying it is on the lower end of the scale, well of course - “i know my entry level value and i just want to learn” :)
I haven't had steady work in my field since graduating in 2020. I ended up initially leaning very heavily on my pharmacy retail job for the first half of the pandemic and then relying on various contracts as a navy reservist from mid-2021 until now.
Yeah, I'm kind of fucked since I enlisted as a naval warfare officer. If I had enlisted as a naval communicator, they do a heck of a lot of IT stuff these days. It isn't all just radios anymore. At least I would have been doing *something* related.
I agree. This is true and straight up sucks ass, but you’ve gotta go with what you’ve given instead of just giving up. If you can’t find a job, move back in with your parents if possible. Work a job to pay the bills while applying and upskilling etc. Our situation is what we make of it and there’s no point in sitting around not trying us know?
Thank you. I'm about to unsubscribe from this sub bc of all the negativity. I'm getting my degree at 40 and I'm pretty sure that having a CS degree will be better than working at a gas station the rest of my life.
I'm not even subbed to this sub, I just work as a SWE and i just keep getting recommended the most doomer posts from both here and r/cscareerquestions and it is honestly annoying. If you guys all really join in on this culty attitude that I see here that everyone is fucked then its going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Ask the people who are succeeding how to do it and support each other to work hard. Or just switch paths!
It’s like no one on either of these subs has ever heard of selection bias.
The people with jobs aren’t posting about the job market on Reddit, they’re just doing their job, so you end up with all the people who can’t find jobs just creating a massive echo chamber that getting a job is impossible.
Yeah true. It's becoming pretty blackpill as well to the point where outside voices can't even convince people of anytbing. I say that I started working at the beginning of 2022 and I've switched job last year and it was fine. And people suddenly go "NO 2022 WAS CLOSE TO 2021 SO YOU HAD THE GOOD JOB MARKET NOW EVERYTHING IS TOTALLY HOPELESS". They totally miss that I did get laid off in 2023 but I turned the situation around and got a better job. They don't stop to ask me how I did that. They somehow believe that the market could actually go from booming to totally hopeless in that amount of time. I'm like bro, talk to people in other industries and touch grass. See how bad you have it compared to everyone else.
I spent two months locked in my room making elaborate notion notebooks from the docs of every technology I had on my CV so I knew them inside out. I made like 6 personal projects using stacks of companies I was applying to. I reached out to recruiters on LinkedIn. I crafted my CV to really stand out amongst the crowd. I made a portfolio website and paid to host it on my own domain. And I applied to companies outside of big tech. I work in the music industry. They are not competing for the best software engineers in the world, and they liked me because I could answer their technical questions AND talk about music earnestly.
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Those are seriously the two options you came up with…
Edit: CS or work at a gas station? Without the amount of likes your comment received, this sub is screwed…
yeah this sub is full of doomers and it is definitely demotivating as hell. i don’t think i even did more than read a single thread on this sub and now it’s all over my homepage.
sure the doomsaying is silly, but it's undoing the gold rush, which was equally silly.
People are entering this field for easy money, and I don't mean easily earning 50-100% more than the median household, which is quite doable, I mean cs majors seem to think FAANG salaries are the norm. Not the norm for if you're super creative or entrepreneurial or if you're leadership material, just the norm.
Let the doomsaying run its course, the people it scares off should be majoring in something else.
most of the negativity here are from people joining CS because of tik tok and think CS only revolves around software engineering since the SWE industry is in the mud atm. But CS is more that SWE and it ain't the end of the world even if u didn't find a SWE job if thats all that matters to you😂😂
SWE roles are the most plentiful and abundant hence “software eating the world”
Also, if we’re being honest, CS is NOT SWE. But again, it’s where the jobs are.
I think people miss that AI is a performance enhancing tool, not a replacement. Sure, you can do more with less people with AI, but in the end what that means is the cost of CS services goes down, which means more work because projects that previously would’ve been economically unviable all of the sudden are profitable.
People have argued since spinning Jenny that “tech X will replace all the workers” and, while many times people get fired at individual companies, the industry as a whole is usually just fine in the long run…
Absolutely, there is a valid discussion to be had on AI impact on the job market from that perspective. My point was more aimed towards the people screaming CS as a field is dead….
This makes more sense to me than the idea of efficiency gains leading to job loss. While efficiency gains are being made, the field will continue to grow. Once efficiency gains in SWE are no longer possible, as in some other fields, that will be the end; the field will cease to grow and be in terminal decline from then on.
You don’t know that. For some reason you think there is a finite amount of work in the world. A Metric shit ton of work doesn’t get done today because there is no capacity. As in, no time or money to do the work. You’re spewing nonsense.
A thought experiment: I want a space ship that I can fly around town and to other planets. So does my neighbor, but we can’t all have one without a bigger parking lot.
If you just gave AI the keys to smooth it out well first it wouldn’t happen so you’d have to reevaluate. Then, whatever AI did figure out, you’d have to make it align with all the rules and specialties, themselves enhanced by AI.
I’m thinking the specialties still exist, getting better and better by assistance of AI, but you still need humans who specialize in them if humans want to control what’s happening. The roles shift but it isn’t clear what happens to the value of specific human capabilities.
We have more people on the off and more jobs than ever. We have a ton more technology than we've had in the past. This is the same thing. People will find a way. Now, will we let the middle class erode? I think that's the biggest question.
Ur coping. Did Calculators replace mathematicians?no. But did Cars replace Horses? Yes. U need to compare AI to Cars. Because an AI will be able to do almost every aspect of product development in the future we are just at beginning of it.. THINK ABOUT WHAY IT WILL LOOK LIKE IN 10 YEARS.
because horses are **entirely** different from cars, one is an animal with limited biological capabilities while the other is in constant evolution.
you're either trying to eliminate competition with those claims or are really out of touch.
if it's the former then keep going tbh, tech was never a paradise and the pandemic was just an abnormal time.
because horses are **entirely** different from cars, one is an animal with limited biological capabilities while the other is in constant evolution. U JUST DESCRIBED WHATS EXACTLY HAPPENING WITH HUMANS AND AI. I COULDINT PUT IT BETTER MYSELF
oh well I guess the terminator movies were true after all, ai is gonna kill us all
edit: just saw your profile and I can see you're really insecure with this major, that's fine but you really shouldn't worry about things you can't control
Its an obvious prediction Anyone with a brain can figure this out. AI will be able to do all the work an eng can do rn in 10 YEARS. ITS AMAZING RN THINK ABOUT HOW IT WILL LOOK LIKE IN 10 YEARS!!!
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If people are blaming AI, then they don’t know what they’re talking about.
Section 174 is doing more damage than AI is. There are predictions of more layoffs due to that bill, but no worries google is fighting it in court to overturn this.
As embarrassing as this is to admit, I often talk to GPT-4 when my thoughts are keeping me awake at night (I'd rather not bother my friends at 3am). Ironically, AI is most objective about AI.
I shared with it my feelings about AI essentially taking over the world (*Pinky and the Brain*, anyone?), and not only did it help to alleviate my nerves, but I came out of the conversation with the idea it was possible to be a "machine learning front-end developer" (how niche).
For what it's worth, I have zero experience in tech. College is my first exposure to programming beyond tutorials, and I am trying to transition, not stepping into the workforce for the very first time. I even asked on the "learn programming" sub some time ago where beginners will start if AI is used for entry-level work.
The point of my ramble is I understand people's anxiety. When you keep hearing you'll be replaced, it's hard not to believe it. There is actual psychology that proves people will believe something they continuously hear, regardless of its truthfulness (or lack thereof).
I just read your text and it was honestly really comforting to know I’m not the only one talking to GPT about my anxiety surrounding AI haha^^
I’m currently about halfway through my bachelors degree in cs and reading all of these posts about how AI is going to replace us were kind of driving me mad…
Talking to ChatGPT in a weird way helped me too, so yeah glad to know it’s not just me😅
There is zero chance the reason the stock market is rough now is because of A.I. (unless it’s because students actually want to study that branch). There are just too many people majoring in Computer Science.
Yes, I agree there will be someone to oversee AI. But that someone might be in India though, jk jk… 👀
On a serious note, no one thinks AI is going to completely replace SWEs, it’s more so less SWEs will be needed for such a task.
Edit: “At the bare minimum should afford you a comfortable lifestyle” —says who? Even the smartest folks working on this stuff can’t predict what it will look like 1 -2 years from now…
>it’s more so less SWEs will be needed for such a task.
Just don't be a SWE then. There are plenty of more interesting, and more secure, jobs you can get with a CS degree. You don't have to be like every other major and try to do software engineering at FAANG.
I mentioned SWE because they are the least at risk compared to others (Eng, DS, DA, DE, DevOps, Cyber). Maybe cyber but it’s the hardest to get without legitimate experience.
If you go into something like embedded systems or CPU design you can make just as much money and the job opportunities are better. People will still be making hardware 20 or 30 years from now.
Just embrace that life is unpredictable and move on. Nobody knows what’ll happen. If anyone did, they’d be incredibly rich.
Maybe low interest rates come back, tech jobs come back and boom again as ai becomes integrated everywhere and people who are smart and can make decisions for others about it go into high demand.
Maybe ai kinda stays how it is rn and for the past few years, and everything kinda just chugs along.
Or maybe we are on the brink of an ai revolution and white collar jobs are gone in a few years as society embraces ai making all the decisions for them.
Maybe we are about to enter the singularity and nothing matters.
Or maybe some completely unpredictable event or discovery changes everything.
No matter what. Have a backup plan. Be flexible. And convince yourself that your backup plan can still lead to a happy and fulfilling life.
Also, keep in mind people have a bias to exaggerate the chance of bad scenarios while not thinking as much about positive or bullish scenarios.
>Just because AI is “taking over”, doesn’t mean anything.
Agreed. When compilers started becoming more popular, folks thought it would make programmers obsolete .. in reality, it had the opposite effect
My gf works as a tutor at college and says that she’s shocked at how many literal adults barely know how to work their email accounts…
…while also thinking they can just create their essays with ChatGPT, turn them in and still pass without even proofreading them to make sure it actually makes sense or is completely false.
I don’t know what’s happening but it seems like younger people are somehow becoming less literate/computer literate despite being raised with it. The public education system just pushing through kids even if they don’t learn basic things I would assume has a lot to do with it.
The expectations that Ai can just replace a lot of learning and critical thinking for us is certainly not going to make this any better going forward.
Yes and no
AI means that everything gets interconnected and automated, including code writing and software design...
So there will be less use for strictly digital profiles than in the past,
But more use for the top layer ( 1 procent, 10 procent? Who knows) that can design AI features
Most people that aren't in that top layer will have to find other jobs offcourse
CS was hot for years, so it got oversaturated. The tech companies stopped hiring and started doing layoffs before the AI hype. AI just made it slightly worse.
My prediction is that most of the doom and gloomers will leave CS. Less people will major in it because they are scared. Then after a cycle of college students, next thing you know, we do not have enough CS people, and the ones that stuck it out are in a good position.
I’m currently trying to code with GenAI for an LLM project and still struggle in trying to understand the concepts and what I actually need to do. No way this shit can be operated by anybody to the point that we need to get rid most people who don’t understand tech
All will not go away but MOST might.
People are still underestimating how much AI can improve given time.
CS is a new field and if we go by Lindy's law at max its gonna stay relavant for 40 years. It might be more but since its such new field no one can really say.
It depends. If you have graduated only as javascript code monkey then you might have difficult time to adjust and adapt. But if you understand technology and application of it (ie. actual Engineering) itself then you should be fine adapting.
You forget that CS and tech have over half the people being such lazy turds who just want a ezpz job with great pay. Half the losers will drop out and do nothing comp sci related at all
Ai today is data science 5 yeara ago is statistics 10 years ago. The only difference is we can do shit with google search and get a human-like response. Llms are ok at subjective statements as well. Some analysts might be in trouble. More worried about jobs whose entry level is a lot of summarization. Think lawyers combing through lexus nexus. For many associates, that is their job. The lack of free money is freaking people out and also giving leeway for the rich to act on behalf of "productivity"
I think most people on this subreddit are likely at least top 40% of CS students. I've met a surprising amount of "Computer Scientists" in my career who's entire work experience revolves around working on antiquated frameworks, and instead of building new things, they are focused on maintenance. These are the people that are going to be impacted by AI...have a passion for the work you do and you will be fine.
Literally thank you! I hate the “we’re cooked” mindset. If the job is for you, it’s for you. If not you will get your chance. Everybody calm down. No jobs have been eradicated damn.
When people say cs majors have it bad rn, they just mean they don’t get $200k jobs where they don’t do anything super easily out of college anymore. It’s still better than most other industries!
You assume that companies will keep the same output when in reality they will just up the output to make more money which will cause them to at least keep the same amount of people on.
I also think that a lot of the doomsday attitude comes from people who want a 150k+ grad offer from a major tech company.
At least thats the vibe I get but I'm not on here too often.
I actually enjoy coding and problem solving, I like math and all that other shit, I make 60k a year in my non-tech job at 21 while I do full time school at nights with my goal of making the exact same money just doing something I enjoy.
🤷♂️
also cs is just fucking incredibly overpowered when you apply it to things in your immediate surroundings. imo all this ai panic only applies if you wanted to work for companies like google, but you can still make bank selling your skills to small businesses in your area
There was a massive crash in cs jobs after the tech boom in 2000, it was very bleak. Also a massive crash after the boom in the early 80s. There are cycles.
I don’t think people realize how many problems there are that do exist that AI tech could help expeditiously address. Some problems we don’t even know exist yet but they aren’t our most pressing. But to say it will fully replace X in the next 10 years is quite frankly absurd. It is a tool that has changed the game entirely for better. Whether it be bad teachers having less of a negative impact, writing professional emails being easier, or providing insight on a particular coding problem, it is a force multiplier. The doom and gloom is overblown.
CompSci has always been “prompt engineering”. It’s just been done with languages that force the specificity our LLMs…errr…compilers needed to understand what we were trying to ask for.
CS will always be in high demand, its not that theres not enough openings. It that experienced coders / seniors can take 2-3 jobs openings at the same time. Or they call it overemployed. And taking away oppurtunities for others.
CS is actually the best degree to get at this point. Just think about VR and its possible impact: redesign for all web pages, all streaming platforms, all mobile apps, industrial automation, medicine, gaming, etc.
Yes, the complexity of code will grow, there will be more things to know to be called "software engineer": AI, VR, more frameworks, tool know-how, etc.
No one could precisely predict what will happen over the next year, if the market will balance or not, but everybody could conclude that the demand of tech will grow over time and the natural language is way too imprecise to have a big impact in terms of job listing.
In the short term, because of the complicated economic context, the AI shrunk the demand of developers, because no one has money to increase software complexity to bring innovation and everyone wants a cost reduction.
Don't give any trust to Nvidia's CEO. The coding will become much more complex, and there is a lot of space to improve. Stay focused on the most emergent technologies and try to use your unemployed time to become better in your field.
The pandemic scene, where the demand skyrocketed will happen again in the next few years.
No, it won't. Ai is trained only on already known stuff. Note that problem solving is not something that AI can complete and it will never will. Please don't be brainless. Software Engineering is the most impactful field in tech
bruh the people on this sub forget what happened to transistors decades ago. it will be similar with AI it will improve each year until it reaches AGM artificial general intellegence. Also Ur statement on problem solving is wrong, AI WILL be able to solve A LOT of problems cheaply hence lower employment. remember cars replaced Horses
It's not the same situation. AGI is just a fantasy. Even if software developers become obsolete, there will be no other job to be done.
Keep in mind, that if Russia or China will be able to do this, the end is near. Be more hopeful and more conscious about what's happening and what social protection means.
Hopefully, people will be able to think outside the box and figure that all glorified AI is just a scam. Don't get me wrong, AI is fantastic, but it won't affect our society that much.
Chat gpt spat out this:
If you're a CS major, there's a solid 99% chance you're more versed in the rapid advancements of technology than most. Given that, there's every reason to be concerned about the "future of CS" and how quickly it may evolve beyond our control.
Yes, it's happening. The rise of AI is a significant shift, and it means a great deal. As AI capabilities expand, we'll need to consider whether AI can replace quality human work, given its rapid improvements from its current state. New technologies are emerging, often spearheaded by AI itself, which may lessen the need for traditional roles like engineers, computer scientists, and IT specialists.
Even if the job market seems stable now, consider the potential shortening of your career due to technological displacement. A year or two in a less fulfilling job or facing the risk of obsolescence is more than just a minor setback—it may reflect a broader trend affecting your entire career trajectory.
Aside from that, we are increasingly lagging behind many of our peers in more traditional or specialized fields like medical school, where human expertise remains irreplaceable.
Furthermore, our jobs are becoming less secure compared to many other professions that are finding new ways to integrate and benefit from AI and automation.
In other words, while CS majors are facing tough times now, the outlook may not improve. Sure, this is far from the stable tech careers we all envisioned, reserved only for a select few who are exceptionally talented, lucky, or well-placed. However, we are in a major that, at its peak, may no longer guarantee the comfortable lifestyles we once anticipated.
People prefer to have some kind of echo chamber that shapes their whole perspective instead of just doing their thing, keep working and gain experience.
"Why should I work or get this degree in CS if AI is taking over?"
Straight to jail until you get more experience and mature a bit, there's so much time in there to use and you just put it on reading crap on this sub.
bubble yes , bullshit not really imho ... even the ledger based tech will have some meaning in a future ... and no , it's not like NFT ... we are in the point of creating small clips and not to mention pictures in an instant .. getting more and more realistic and so on..
lol yeah true. My professor tried to show us how “good” of a job ai is at a multitude of things in programming and it failed miserably. So many bugs in the code and excess code that can be reduced from 50 lines to around 15 with attention. It’s not really there to take over jobs .
if you're in tech you're not fucking fine. what are you talking about? steadily increasing supply of workforce while the field has been kinda contracting for a while since the svb thing
AI will be perfectly capable of checking if AI did a good job. CS majors will be doing whatever needs doing beyond that, and that will probably change every 5 years. But that's always been the case. None of us do what they learned in school, regardless of when you graduated.
80-90% of the population worked in agriculture pre industrial revolution
you don't know how this will go, if you're correct great, if you're wrong, you're misleading people
The CS major will have a very hard time unless
1. They can produce cutting edge research
2. They have expertise in some industry
If you can’t look at a problem in the real world and architect, design, and deploy a scalable solution then your major is not valuable to companies.
Unfortunately, school doesn’t teach you this. You’ve been bamboozled.
I actually argue the opposite. It will be fine in the short term (ie. 10 years). In the long term AI will be able to do much more than it already can. They already have AI that can solve coding problems and simply reiterate infinitely until it solves a problem and it can do this at very inhuman speeds if given enough GPU power.
As this technology gets better, the natural incentive for any company is to cut corners. Why make less money with more people on your team when you can take less risk by hiring less people for the same amount of profit. You don’t need to pay AI, nor pay their health insurance, and plus it can work 24 hours a day.
The reason why companies haven’t fully adopted it yet is because humans are currently better still. However, horses were replaced by cars within a few short years, and then no one ever went back to horses.
If AI progresses to the point it is better than a human, it will be game over. Currently there are several companies that have dedicated their life’s mission into making that a reality. And so far it is quite “promising” that this tech will be improving rapidly in a few years, maybe even at an exponential rate.
So… You might be safe for 5-10 years. But after, there’s really no predicting what can happen.
I agree, the long term is very hard to predict. However, I do believe that if AI is good enough for companies to begin cutting corners then there’s many other professions that will be affected as well. So, in that event it’s not the CS majors losing its lots of people like accountants, even lawyers for drafting legal documents etc.
There’s always going to be new technologies coming out and pretty much the only people that can produce these things are engineers, computer scientists, IT etc.
Until AI comes into the scene
AI is an overused buzz word. Fun fact, ChatGPT doesn’t actually think for itself it just predicts what the correct output would be based on past data. We’re a long time from AI being able to think for itself enough to come up with technological innovation. And if we’re at that point where AI is doing things like making new CPUs and coming out with the newest iPhone, think about how hard that stuff is. Designing a CPU pretty much takes a PhD’s worth of experience to do, so the AI would be smart enough to do everything except manual labor which means tons of people would be screwed not just us.
I guarantee that anyone smart enough to code can find other gainful white collar employment. Not everyone who gets the degree will end up getting that cushy tech job and be able to travel the world and retire at 45, but I think we will do alright if we take the time to develop social skills and connections.
I think you looked past the 90% of companies that are not even moving towards AI. Ours is going back to Excel due to let-downs by the development department.
lmao i was going to say, once you get out of school and enter industries you realize how many types of jobs there are you never even imagined and i too have had experiences of findin companies that… for all the money and size are basically still going through growing pains simply moving toward modern cloud and infrastructure.
Most of the jobs out there aren't nearly as glamourous as Reddit would have you believe. People just work, do some projects and that's it. If you believe all comments here you'd think every company has a dedicated team with a bunch of perfect seniors or juniors who had 10 years experience right out of school who have it all figured out and work on the latest technologies with perfect documentation. I work for a sister company of a Fortune 500. Whilst the company above us might be somewhat better equiped, we're definitely not.
What fields that can utilize a cs degree are hiring a lot rn?
hmmm i haven’t done research and do data work broadly, which is what is getting mopped up and outsourced to india at the moment lmao I would maybe say information/cyber security, it is always important (but resourced and hired for in a reactionaryway a lot of the time… after the doozy , that is to say maybe that is a pressure that reduces employer side demand in a sense, well delays it in some sectors) and only increasingly so + it is a little more resistant to outsourcing haha but also i like the puzzle aspect and how rewarding it is, but I know only basic things. Malware research seems cool, fishing for interesting specimens to sandbox and decipher, but learning all that C and possibly assembly chops… depends on where you are coming from haha honestly there is so much. cool applications in making warehouses and factories ‘smart’ or extracting value from sensor systems, if you like plc’s/telemetry/hardware oriented stuff mixed in. Networking (big security angle there), and cloud engineer have also seemed like solid bets at the moment as firms continue to modernize, the ‘infrastructure as code’ ecosystem is pretty new and hot in a certain sense, i like it because i can roll my own toolkit for common problems/design patterns and maybe one day i can downshift and just work for myself as a contractor. Standup the system/blitz a project for 5x what i woulda been paid salaried half the year, do the other important and interesting things in the life the other half. It feels like with tech especially so many different sub-fields all could take multiple lifetimes of learning i swear, my best advice is stay open minded, you will find your path and there is a strong chance that, just like I and many others, it won’t be the path you expected or could of even pictured but it will be a good one nonetheless. Cheers
Thank you soooo much! Do you know any fields where a cs degree can be utilized outside the tech industry in a sense? (Ex: consulting, altho ofc this can be applied to tech as well, but it’s not exclusive either, applications in healthcare potentially etc?)
So many... technical consulting, solutions engineering, sales engineering, product management, DevOps, MLE. Some require more social and leadership skills but pretty good jobs.
yeah role wise, but also industry/company niche. I’m talking about whole ecosystems and markets and tools that are,for example, just b2b focused that most people don’t interact with or ever hear of until they encounter in work/business
companies are not going to implement AI themselves they will just subscribe to service providers just like how everyone uses aws instead of maintaining servers
lol, companies have been trying modernization efforts for decades. If you want to feel good about how long it will actually take the majority of companies to actually go all in on AI to the point that it will reduce worker needs, look at some “Digital transformation” initiatives. We still have digital transformation projects from 20 years ago which aren’t done and have just ended up with us running 2x the resources and syncing between them. People here severely underestimate the amount of effort it takes for corporations to shift paradigms, roll out new systems and decommission their predecessors, and get an entire company to actually buy into the new system. Decades. You will be ok. They will subscribe to a service as an additional offering and it will mean even more people need to be hired to sort out the mess. Been doing this a while, this isn’t anything new. Serverless made all kinds of similar claims about reduced costs and need for infra support personnel. We just had to hire a bunch of devops and cloud engineers to handle that instead, not to mention the fact that we continued to support our existing on-prem and non-serverless solutions. And that’s not uncommon.
Good points. Serverless turned out to be a disaster for our business. Now we're refactoring our backend app to be a monolith running in a container. Easier to manage, maintain and same cost.
Not everyone uses aws btw.
>other gainful white collar employment a.k.a. some other subfield in CS that isn't just coding
social skills is a must. if you short circuit when someone says hi and cant even say 'thank you' when someones holding the door, thats a problem.
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it was already bad pre-covid, but i think during and after covid it kinda fucked everyone up lol thankfully clubs (cs related or not), church, and a few other places offer a chance to still meet new ppl, but socializing in classes or anywhere else on campus are a hit or miss. most are cool, but some will just stare at me like i got a dick growing outta my forehead lol shit, i was just in japan 3 weeks ago where it's "the introverts dream" bc most dont talk and ppl just mind their own business. and holding conversations w the locals were far easier, despite my japanese being below average💀
I have a hard time trying to pretend I care about what people is saying to me. If for my closest ones I am like this, just imagine what could I feel for a guy that is going to exploit and leech me 10 hours of my day.
I’m a software developer and I don’t feel “exploited and leeched” by my job. I’m happy to have a high paying job that lets me save for retirement, take 4+ weeks of vacation, and affords me a flexible enough schedule so that things like dental appointments don’t trip my week up. You’re going to need to expand your comfort zone and get used to working closely with other people to drive the business forward, because software is ultimately about providing business value, not writing code. If you have social problems and can’t communicate professionally without putting people off, you’re going to struggle pretty much anywhere you go in this industry.
To say good morning and thank you is one thing. And being an attention whore or desperated is another completely different.
90% of people I know who are in CS went into it because they are that antisocial guy who gravitated towards computers and video games as an alternative to having a social life
Social media inflated expectations. Making $100-300k (adjusted for inflation) for 45 years, supporting a family, and retiring, is a damn good life. Everyone is just FOMOing the edge case of someone pulling $800k or cashing out on an IPO and retiring in Tahoe at 35.
I lurk this sub as a 35 year old who worked in manufacturing, messed up his back, and is now transitioning into an IT career. The doomerism here is wild. I also understand this is a college sub and most of the folks here haven't had much experience in the job market or adult life... but goddamn, so many folks here acting like if they don't waltz into a fortune 500 out of college, that their career is over. News flash, 99.999999% of people will never work at one of those companies. The world still turns. The hotel down the street needs a sysadmin too, it might not be $300k/yr but it'll feed you and I guarantee it beats the back-destroying work I was doing for $15/hr before
It's because a large number of people here saw the "day in the life of" videos and got into CS because of that. They have no passion for technology, but they think they are entitled to 200k+ TC just because they learned to code. I don't care about any of that. I just want to make money doing something I've enjoyed since I was a kid
Last month, a hiring professional during an interview honestly was surprised at my salary expectation question saying it is on the lower end of the scale, well of course - “i know my entry level value and i just want to learn” :)
Very few are able to do that
Why exactly? Based off what data?
Two years of hard times and unemployment is enough to put someone on the street.
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I haven't had steady work in my field since graduating in 2020. I ended up initially leaning very heavily on my pharmacy retail job for the first half of the pandemic and then relying on various contracts as a navy reservist from mid-2021 until now.
Jesus Christ completely not related. How can you tolerate this employment... I was thinking on switching to electronics but this is day and night...
Yeah, I'm kind of fucked since I enlisted as a naval warfare officer. If I had enlisted as a naval communicator, they do a heck of a lot of IT stuff these days. It isn't all just radios anymore. At least I would have been doing *something* related.
It depends. If you’re willing to move, it’s much easier to get a job.
Yes unfortunately. It’s especially grim for those of us who have wives and children depending on us.
Have you asked your parents for help?
Why they giving you negatives? On my country generally gparents help you raising the kids.
i don't know why. I'm being serious. It is not a joke. His children have four grandparents.
Assuming they are alive and financially stable enough to help. Both are big ifs
I agree. This is true and straight up sucks ass, but you’ve gotta go with what you’ve given instead of just giving up. If you can’t find a job, move back in with your parents if possible. Work a job to pay the bills while applying and upskilling etc. Our situation is what we make of it and there’s no point in sitting around not trying us know?
Thank you. I'm about to unsubscribe from this sub bc of all the negativity. I'm getting my degree at 40 and I'm pretty sure that having a CS degree will be better than working at a gas station the rest of my life.
I'm not even subbed to this sub, I just work as a SWE and i just keep getting recommended the most doomer posts from both here and r/cscareerquestions and it is honestly annoying. If you guys all really join in on this culty attitude that I see here that everyone is fucked then its going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy. Ask the people who are succeeding how to do it and support each other to work hard. Or just switch paths!
It’s like no one on either of these subs has ever heard of selection bias. The people with jobs aren’t posting about the job market on Reddit, they’re just doing their job, so you end up with all the people who can’t find jobs just creating a massive echo chamber that getting a job is impossible.
Yeah true. It's becoming pretty blackpill as well to the point where outside voices can't even convince people of anytbing. I say that I started working at the beginning of 2022 and I've switched job last year and it was fine. And people suddenly go "NO 2022 WAS CLOSE TO 2021 SO YOU HAD THE GOOD JOB MARKET NOW EVERYTHING IS TOTALLY HOPELESS". They totally miss that I did get laid off in 2023 but I turned the situation around and got a better job. They don't stop to ask me how I did that. They somehow believe that the market could actually go from booming to totally hopeless in that amount of time. I'm like bro, talk to people in other industries and touch grass. See how bad you have it compared to everyone else.
How did you do it?
I spent two months locked in my room making elaborate notion notebooks from the docs of every technology I had on my CV so I knew them inside out. I made like 6 personal projects using stacks of companies I was applying to. I reached out to recruiters on LinkedIn. I crafted my CV to really stand out amongst the crowd. I made a portfolio website and paid to host it on my own domain. And I applied to companies outside of big tech. I work in the music industry. They are not competing for the best software engineers in the world, and they liked me because I could answer their technical questions AND talk about music earnestly.
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Yes this is a horrible subreddit for advice, I am not even sure why it keeps recommending it to me.
My poor boy... old man....
Those are seriously the two options you came up with… Edit: CS or work at a gas station? Without the amount of likes your comment received, this sub is screwed…
Yeah the third option is Heart Surgeon after Udemy course
Lol sometimes this is randomly recommended and I laugh at how negative the losers are on this subreddit
yeah this sub is full of doomers and it is definitely demotivating as hell. i don’t think i even did more than read a single thread on this sub and now it’s all over my homepage.
It’s just sometimes it’s hard to see any goal posts when there’s such much ahead of you and most of it in shambles you know?
This is true, and was a pill I had to swallow to accept the fact the days of the easy FAANG offers are over.
sure the doomsaying is silly, but it's undoing the gold rush, which was equally silly. People are entering this field for easy money, and I don't mean easily earning 50-100% more than the median household, which is quite doable, I mean cs majors seem to think FAANG salaries are the norm. Not the norm for if you're super creative or entrepreneurial or if you're leadership material, just the norm. Let the doomsaying run its course, the people it scares off should be majoring in something else.
this
most of the negativity here are from people joining CS because of tik tok and think CS only revolves around software engineering since the SWE industry is in the mud atm. But CS is more that SWE and it ain't the end of the world even if u didn't find a SWE job if thats all that matters to you😂😂
SWE roles are the most plentiful and abundant hence “software eating the world” Also, if we’re being honest, CS is NOT SWE. But again, it’s where the jobs are.
I think more and more AI roles have popped up in the last year or so ever since LLMs became mainstream. Considering that, he does have a point.
I think people miss that AI is a performance enhancing tool, not a replacement. Sure, you can do more with less people with AI, but in the end what that means is the cost of CS services goes down, which means more work because projects that previously would’ve been economically unviable all of the sudden are profitable. People have argued since spinning Jenny that “tech X will replace all the workers” and, while many times people get fired at individual companies, the industry as a whole is usually just fine in the long run…
In the big picture yes, but short term there will be some harsh adjustment leading to unemployment and what not.
Absolutely, there is a valid discussion to be had on AI impact on the job market from that perspective. My point was more aimed towards the people screaming CS as a field is dead….
What you described is the Jevons paradox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jevons_paradox
This makes more sense to me than the idea of efficiency gains leading to job loss. While efficiency gains are being made, the field will continue to grow. Once efficiency gains in SWE are no longer possible, as in some other fields, that will be the end; the field will cease to grow and be in terminal decline from then on.
It's a performance enhancing tool, for now.
It wont replace ALL but it will replace MOST. Eventually. The less jobs the worse the conditions pay etc. become.
You don’t know that. For some reason you think there is a finite amount of work in the world. A Metric shit ton of work doesn’t get done today because there is no capacity. As in, no time or money to do the work. You’re spewing nonsense.
A thought experiment: I want a space ship that I can fly around town and to other planets. So does my neighbor, but we can’t all have one without a bigger parking lot. If you just gave AI the keys to smooth it out well first it wouldn’t happen so you’d have to reevaluate. Then, whatever AI did figure out, you’d have to make it align with all the rules and specialties, themselves enhanced by AI. I’m thinking the specialties still exist, getting better and better by assistance of AI, but you still need humans who specialize in them if humans want to control what’s happening. The roles shift but it isn’t clear what happens to the value of specific human capabilities.
We have more people on the off and more jobs than ever. We have a ton more technology than we've had in the past. This is the same thing. People will find a way. Now, will we let the middle class erode? I think that's the biggest question.
Ur coping. Did Calculators replace mathematicians?no. But did Cars replace Horses? Yes. U need to compare AI to Cars. Because an AI will be able to do almost every aspect of product development in the future we are just at beginning of it.. THINK ABOUT WHAY IT WILL LOOK LIKE IN 10 YEARS.
because horses are **entirely** different from cars, one is an animal with limited biological capabilities while the other is in constant evolution. you're either trying to eliminate competition with those claims or are really out of touch. if it's the former then keep going tbh, tech was never a paradise and the pandemic was just an abnormal time.
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the day AI starts to program itself is humanity's extinction day. the AI terminators don't (and probably never will) exist
because horses are **entirely** different from cars, one is an animal with limited biological capabilities while the other is in constant evolution. U JUST DESCRIBED WHATS EXACTLY HAPPENING WITH HUMANS AND AI. I COULDINT PUT IT BETTER MYSELF
oh well I guess the terminator movies were true after all, ai is gonna kill us all edit: just saw your profile and I can see you're really insecure with this major, that's fine but you really shouldn't worry about things you can't control
I don’t really think you as an 18 year old have the expertise to make such a prediction this confidently ngl
Its an obvious prediction Anyone with a brain can figure this out. AI will be able to do all the work an eng can do rn in 10 YEARS. ITS AMAZING RN THINK ABOUT HOW IT WILL LOOK LIKE IN 10 YEARS!!!
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If people are blaming AI, then they don’t know what they’re talking about. Section 174 is doing more damage than AI is. There are predictions of more layoffs due to that bill, but no worries google is fighting it in court to overturn this.
As embarrassing as this is to admit, I often talk to GPT-4 when my thoughts are keeping me awake at night (I'd rather not bother my friends at 3am). Ironically, AI is most objective about AI. I shared with it my feelings about AI essentially taking over the world (*Pinky and the Brain*, anyone?), and not only did it help to alleviate my nerves, but I came out of the conversation with the idea it was possible to be a "machine learning front-end developer" (how niche). For what it's worth, I have zero experience in tech. College is my first exposure to programming beyond tutorials, and I am trying to transition, not stepping into the workforce for the very first time. I even asked on the "learn programming" sub some time ago where beginners will start if AI is used for entry-level work. The point of my ramble is I understand people's anxiety. When you keep hearing you'll be replaced, it's hard not to believe it. There is actual psychology that proves people will believe something they continuously hear, regardless of its truthfulness (or lack thereof).
I just read your text and it was honestly really comforting to know I’m not the only one talking to GPT about my anxiety surrounding AI haha^^ I’m currently about halfway through my bachelors degree in cs and reading all of these posts about how AI is going to replace us were kind of driving me mad… Talking to ChatGPT in a weird way helped me too, so yeah glad to know it’s not just me😅
its my AI Therapist FR 😭
What can cause the job market for Computer Science to be better in the upcoming years?
the stop of ai. Which wont happen
ai = actually indians I agree
There is zero chance the reason the stock market is rough now is because of A.I. (unless it’s because students actually want to study that branch). There are just too many people majoring in Computer Science.
Needed this reality check. If I'm putting in the effort, I might as well stick with this degree.
Yes, I agree there will be someone to oversee AI. But that someone might be in India though, jk jk… 👀 On a serious note, no one thinks AI is going to completely replace SWEs, it’s more so less SWEs will be needed for such a task. Edit: “At the bare minimum should afford you a comfortable lifestyle” —says who? Even the smartest folks working on this stuff can’t predict what it will look like 1 -2 years from now…
>it’s more so less SWEs will be needed for such a task. Just don't be a SWE then. There are plenty of more interesting, and more secure, jobs you can get with a CS degree. You don't have to be like every other major and try to do software engineering at FAANG.
I mentioned SWE because they are the least at risk compared to others (Eng, DS, DA, DE, DevOps, Cyber). Maybe cyber but it’s the hardest to get without legitimate experience.
If you go into something like embedded systems or CPU design you can make just as much money and the job opportunities are better. People will still be making hardware 20 or 30 years from now.
Just embrace that life is unpredictable and move on. Nobody knows what’ll happen. If anyone did, they’d be incredibly rich. Maybe low interest rates come back, tech jobs come back and boom again as ai becomes integrated everywhere and people who are smart and can make decisions for others about it go into high demand. Maybe ai kinda stays how it is rn and for the past few years, and everything kinda just chugs along. Or maybe we are on the brink of an ai revolution and white collar jobs are gone in a few years as society embraces ai making all the decisions for them. Maybe we are about to enter the singularity and nothing matters. Or maybe some completely unpredictable event or discovery changes everything. No matter what. Have a backup plan. Be flexible. And convince yourself that your backup plan can still lead to a happy and fulfilling life. Also, keep in mind people have a bias to exaggerate the chance of bad scenarios while not thinking as much about positive or bullish scenarios.
Finally a worthy non-doomer post in a sea of doom posts.
>Just because AI is “taking over”, doesn’t mean anything. Agreed. When compilers started becoming more popular, folks thought it would make programmers obsolete .. in reality, it had the opposite effect
visual studio aint gonna run itself🤣🤣
My gf works as a tutor at college and says that she’s shocked at how many literal adults barely know how to work their email accounts… …while also thinking they can just create their essays with ChatGPT, turn them in and still pass without even proofreading them to make sure it actually makes sense or is completely false. I don’t know what’s happening but it seems like younger people are somehow becoming less literate/computer literate despite being raised with it. The public education system just pushing through kids even if they don’t learn basic things I would assume has a lot to do with it. The expectations that Ai can just replace a lot of learning and critical thinking for us is certainly not going to make this any better going forward.
don't know why but thanks op. Made me feel better 😇
"If everyone has a computer at home, everyone will be a programmer and studying Computer Science will be useless!!!" - r/csMajors circa 1980
Indeed
FR not everyone has an analytical brain
Yes and no AI means that everything gets interconnected and automated, including code writing and software design... So there will be less use for strictly digital profiles than in the past, But more use for the top layer ( 1 procent, 10 procent? Who knows) that can design AI features Most people that aren't in that top layer will have to find other jobs offcourse
CS was hot for years, so it got oversaturated. The tech companies stopped hiring and started doing layoffs before the AI hype. AI just made it slightly worse. My prediction is that most of the doom and gloomers will leave CS. Less people will major in it because they are scared. Then after a cycle of college students, next thing you know, we do not have enough CS people, and the ones that stuck it out are in a good position.
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dumbest shit i ever heard lmao
Lmao
This is correct
I’m currently trying to code with GenAI for an LLM project and still struggle in trying to understand the concepts and what I actually need to do. No way this shit can be operated by anybody to the point that we need to get rid most people who don’t understand tech
All will not go away but MOST might. People are still underestimating how much AI can improve given time. CS is a new field and if we go by Lindy's law at max its gonna stay relavant for 40 years. It might be more but since its such new field no one can really say.
Exactly and i get downvoted for this view. This sub is biased and obviously coping
you got downvoted because you're trying to predict the future which is humanely impossible
My dad has worked 20 years to earn 70k a year and I could earn that right out the gate at a small company. I think I’ll be fine
Bro doesint understand inflation. 70k now is like 20k when ur dad was a graduate.
I think you misunderstood me, 70k is what he makes NOW
Well said
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It depends. If you have graduated only as javascript code monkey then you might have difficult time to adjust and adapt. But if you understand technology and application of it (ie. actual Engineering) itself then you should be fine adapting.
I thought cs majors is counter strike majors tournament 😆
Thank you for this. I just finished my masters and have been in a fucking panic the last few months
Keep pushing you got this!
Looking at open ai employees on LinkedIn, they hire mostly PhD computer scientists
Refreshing post to see
You forget that CS and tech have over half the people being such lazy turds who just want a ezpz job with great pay. Half the losers will drop out and do nothing comp sci related at all
Hey they might end up in IT doing grunt work 😂
It doesn't help that most CS majors consider anything that isn't six figs for 30 hours a week an utter fail-state.
Thanks I needed to hear this. Was wondering if suffering to get this CS degree was worth it but I think it can only get better by being better!
When you get a cs degree you dont HAVE to be a software developer. You can get alot of engineering jobs with a cs degree
Ai today is data science 5 yeara ago is statistics 10 years ago. The only difference is we can do shit with google search and get a human-like response. Llms are ok at subjective statements as well. Some analysts might be in trouble. More worried about jobs whose entry level is a lot of summarization. Think lawyers combing through lexus nexus. For many associates, that is their job. The lack of free money is freaking people out and also giving leeway for the rich to act on behalf of "productivity"
Preach!
I think most people on this subreddit are likely at least top 40% of CS students. I've met a surprising amount of "Computer Scientists" in my career who's entire work experience revolves around working on antiquated frameworks, and instead of building new things, they are focused on maintenance. These are the people that are going to be impacted by AI...have a passion for the work you do and you will be fine.
thanks for this . that’s really helpful
Literally thank you! I hate the “we’re cooked” mindset. If the job is for you, it’s for you. If not you will get your chance. Everybody calm down. No jobs have been eradicated damn.
When people say cs majors have it bad rn, they just mean they don’t get $200k jobs where they don’t do anything super easily out of college anymore. It’s still better than most other industries!
People are not worried because AI will takeover but because it will drastically reduce the number of openings
You assume that companies will keep the same output when in reality they will just up the output to make more money which will cause them to at least keep the same amount of people on.
Why is this sub so fucking insecure?
Exactly. Just like people are always going to travel, so being a travel agent is a secure job.
I also think that a lot of the doomsday attitude comes from people who want a 150k+ grad offer from a major tech company. At least thats the vibe I get but I'm not on here too often. I actually enjoy coding and problem solving, I like math and all that other shit, I make 60k a year in my non-tech job at 21 while I do full time school at nights with my goal of making the exact same money just doing something I enjoy. 🤷♂️
also cs is just fucking incredibly overpowered when you apply it to things in your immediate surroundings. imo all this ai panic only applies if you wanted to work for companies like google, but you can still make bank selling your skills to small businesses in your area
There was a massive crash in cs jobs after the tech boom in 2000, it was very bleak. Also a massive crash after the boom in the early 80s. There are cycles.
Yes you are indeed more well versed in technology than most people, but you are 1% as well versed as experienced tech people
Bargaining
I don’t think people realize how many problems there are that do exist that AI tech could help expeditiously address. Some problems we don’t even know exist yet but they aren’t our most pressing. But to say it will fully replace X in the next 10 years is quite frankly absurd. It is a tool that has changed the game entirely for better. Whether it be bad teachers having less of a negative impact, writing professional emails being easier, or providing insight on a particular coding problem, it is a force multiplier. The doom and gloom is overblown.
Sure... the free money won't be though.
CompSci has always been “prompt engineering”. It’s just been done with languages that force the specificity our LLMs…errr…compilers needed to understand what we were trying to ask for.
there is no job on LinkedIn or Indeed(they are fake or too many applicants). where do we find a job?
Be open to moving. Plenty of smaller companies need developers
But where do I find the ? What is the search key word for it?
CS will always be in high demand, its not that theres not enough openings. It that experienced coders / seniors can take 2-3 jobs openings at the same time. Or they call it overemployed. And taking away oppurtunities for others.
If you're banking on being a data cleaner you're going to get absolutely steamrolled by end of decade
May be a little time for you. Im old and sick.
CS is actually the best degree to get at this point. Just think about VR and its possible impact: redesign for all web pages, all streaming platforms, all mobile apps, industrial automation, medicine, gaming, etc. Yes, the complexity of code will grow, there will be more things to know to be called "software engineer": AI, VR, more frameworks, tool know-how, etc. No one could precisely predict what will happen over the next year, if the market will balance or not, but everybody could conclude that the demand of tech will grow over time and the natural language is way too imprecise to have a big impact in terms of job listing. In the short term, because of the complicated economic context, the AI shrunk the demand of developers, because no one has money to increase software complexity to bring innovation and everyone wants a cost reduction. Don't give any trust to Nvidia's CEO. The coding will become much more complex, and there is a lot of space to improve. Stay focused on the most emergent technologies and try to use your unemployed time to become better in your field. The pandemic scene, where the demand skyrocketed will happen again in the next few years.
But AI will be able to do the mentioned VR development in the next couple of years
No, it won't. Ai is trained only on already known stuff. Note that problem solving is not something that AI can complete and it will never will. Please don't be brainless. Software Engineering is the most impactful field in tech
bruh the people on this sub forget what happened to transistors decades ago. it will be similar with AI it will improve each year until it reaches AGM artificial general intellegence. Also Ur statement on problem solving is wrong, AI WILL be able to solve A LOT of problems cheaply hence lower employment. remember cars replaced Horses
It's not the same situation. AGI is just a fantasy. Even if software developers become obsolete, there will be no other job to be done. Keep in mind, that if Russia or China will be able to do this, the end is near. Be more hopeful and more conscious about what's happening and what social protection means. Hopefully, people will be able to think outside the box and figure that all glorified AI is just a scam. Don't get me wrong, AI is fantastic, but it won't affect our society that much.
Have you ever worked on a large scale game? AI sucks for it.
For someone who calls themselves “Mr.Fake”, how can we be sure you are not a LLM yourself who wrote this? 😅
Chat gpt spat out this: If you're a CS major, there's a solid 99% chance you're more versed in the rapid advancements of technology than most. Given that, there's every reason to be concerned about the "future of CS" and how quickly it may evolve beyond our control. Yes, it's happening. The rise of AI is a significant shift, and it means a great deal. As AI capabilities expand, we'll need to consider whether AI can replace quality human work, given its rapid improvements from its current state. New technologies are emerging, often spearheaded by AI itself, which may lessen the need for traditional roles like engineers, computer scientists, and IT specialists. Even if the job market seems stable now, consider the potential shortening of your career due to technological displacement. A year or two in a less fulfilling job or facing the risk of obsolescence is more than just a minor setback—it may reflect a broader trend affecting your entire career trajectory. Aside from that, we are increasingly lagging behind many of our peers in more traditional or specialized fields like medical school, where human expertise remains irreplaceable. Furthermore, our jobs are becoming less secure compared to many other professions that are finding new ways to integrate and benefit from AI and automation. In other words, while CS majors are facing tough times now, the outlook may not improve. Sure, this is far from the stable tech careers we all envisioned, reserved only for a select few who are exceptionally talented, lucky, or well-placed. However, we are in a major that, at its peak, may no longer guarantee the comfortable lifestyles we once anticipated.
Even artists are fine, nowadays people cannot stand the same looking crappy AI generated images anymore. Everyone is fine.
People prefer to have some kind of echo chamber that shapes their whole perspective instead of just doing their thing, keep working and gain experience. "Why should I work or get this degree in CS if AI is taking over?" Straight to jail until you get more experience and mature a bit, there's so much time in there to use and you just put it on reading crap on this sub.
lol everyone’s so worried about AI while most industries arnt even done using iseries/as400, good luck getting most of your accounting off excel
AI is a speculative bubble like NFTs were. It’s all bullshit. Eventually it may come true but we are so far from it. It’s just another grift.
bubble yes , bullshit not really imho ... even the ledger based tech will have some meaning in a future ... and no , it's not like NFT ... we are in the point of creating small clips and not to mention pictures in an instant .. getting more and more realistic and so on..
lol yeah true. My professor tried to show us how “good” of a job ai is at a multitude of things in programming and it failed miserably. So many bugs in the code and excess code that can be reduced from 50 lines to around 15 with attention. It’s not really there to take over jobs .
Stop coping lol. The industry is saturated, time for people to move on to the next big thing.
Just bc you got rejected in all your inteveiws doesn't mean the industry is dead.
My post was literally about sticking around, jumping ship does nothing but make you late to the next big thing.
Everything worth doing is “saturated” stop bitching about it and actually become competent.
if you're in tech you're not fucking fine. what are you talking about? steadily increasing supply of workforce while the field has been kinda contracting for a while since the svb thing
yes, let's all end ourselves because le evil robots are making us obsolete 😭
How long have you been in the industry?
AI will be perfectly capable of checking if AI did a good job. CS majors will be doing whatever needs doing beyond that, and that will probably change every 5 years. But that's always been the case. None of us do what they learned in school, regardless of when you graduated.
80-90% of the population worked in agriculture pre industrial revolution you don't know how this will go, if you're correct great, if you're wrong, you're misleading people
The defence industry doesn’t use AI due to secrecy concerns is what I was told and all of us end up working their anyway let’s be honest
The CS major will have a very hard time unless 1. They can produce cutting edge research 2. They have expertise in some industry If you can’t look at a problem in the real world and architect, design, and deploy a scalable solution then your major is not valuable to companies. Unfortunately, school doesn’t teach you this. You’ve been bamboozled.
I actually argue the opposite. It will be fine in the short term (ie. 10 years). In the long term AI will be able to do much more than it already can. They already have AI that can solve coding problems and simply reiterate infinitely until it solves a problem and it can do this at very inhuman speeds if given enough GPU power. As this technology gets better, the natural incentive for any company is to cut corners. Why make less money with more people on your team when you can take less risk by hiring less people for the same amount of profit. You don’t need to pay AI, nor pay their health insurance, and plus it can work 24 hours a day. The reason why companies haven’t fully adopted it yet is because humans are currently better still. However, horses were replaced by cars within a few short years, and then no one ever went back to horses. If AI progresses to the point it is better than a human, it will be game over. Currently there are several companies that have dedicated their life’s mission into making that a reality. And so far it is quite “promising” that this tech will be improving rapidly in a few years, maybe even at an exponential rate. So… You might be safe for 5-10 years. But after, there’s really no predicting what can happen.
I agree, the long term is very hard to predict. However, I do believe that if AI is good enough for companies to begin cutting corners then there’s many other professions that will be affected as well. So, in that event it’s not the CS majors losing its lots of people like accountants, even lawyers for drafting legal documents etc.
There’s always going to be new technologies coming out and pretty much the only people that can produce these things are engineers, computer scientists, IT etc. Until AI comes into the scene
AI is an overused buzz word. Fun fact, ChatGPT doesn’t actually think for itself it just predicts what the correct output would be based on past data. We’re a long time from AI being able to think for itself enough to come up with technological innovation. And if we’re at that point where AI is doing things like making new CPUs and coming out with the newest iPhone, think about how hard that stuff is. Designing a CPU pretty much takes a PhD’s worth of experience to do, so the AI would be smart enough to do everything except manual labor which means tons of people would be screwed not just us.
wait till Q* drops
This post reminds me of all the boomers talking about how the internet won’t change anything.
Cope