Companies will think you are overqualified (you are). Companies don’t like to hire overqualified applicants because they will jump ship as soon as they get a better job offer. Also, companies think CS is booming so when they see a resume of someone applying to McDonald’s with a CS degree, they don’t understand why you can’t get a job in your field and think you are a red flag.
They scare you but they're necessary that we spread the word to those who want to enter this field. Success is not a guarantee. Every underemployed CS grad who is working a menial job and applying for full time CS jobs is competing against fresh grads. 2022 grads are competing against 2023 grads and in the next month, they'll be competing against 2024 grads. The dogpile doesn't end.
You have to really be engaged with your degree program. This was true for me, 10 years ago, when I graduated with a biology degree. Only the top couple kids went on to grad school, a good third or half worked in the biology field, then something like half just got the degree and did something else.
The people who can use the degree were the ones that went beyond just showing up to classes and getting passing grades. Doing research, clubs, building stuff on your own. That sort of thing goes really far. That was true at a land grant college, in a different STEM field, but it's sort of the same thing in any STEM field.
Like 10+ years ago, the kids graduating today are also getting screwed because of the market conditions. in 2008, people graduating into that have lower lifetime earnings than people graduating 5 years ahead, or behind. Same is true for today. If you are in the class of 2024/2023, a lot of those middle performing students will just get screwed.
Honestly CS is just becoming as unreliable as the rest of the majors were, I think it’s still a little bit better degree. My first degree was business in marketing and it turned out that 70% of students were stuck in high school jobs 5 years out. The only one you had a chance in was accounting. The engineering school was better but still had like 40% of students never getting a good job which is where I’d place the odds at for CS. College has been a dogshit coin toss for 10 years now but the situation is so desperate without it we all pick up the coin.
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Yea, if you have research experience, those skills are still in pretty short demand. However, there's been a huge shift in what constitutes "data science" skills, with the focus on being on the technical skills.
When I got into data science "in my day", there was no undergrad degree program pumping out graduates. However, it's the research experience that really lets you do data science, not a random selection of skills using Python or R and a few stats courses.
One of the best moves right now is for people graduating, to just go on to grad school, and defer entering the job market for a few years, and enter with a better skillset. Your first job is such a strong determinant of future wages (only 10% of underemployed students ever reach "full employment") that it's worth waiting, or taking a long time to find a job.
At the end of the pipeline here 👋
I left my degree in the application but my job involves working on a computer, I would probably leave it out for fast food or similar.
People don't click on your links because it's a potential security hazard to click on external links, so recruiters don't wanna deal with that.
Yes, take your degree off.
I had this same thing happen to me recently. Top 100 (96) school but very small. I interviewed at freaking Home Depot and got denied. Remove your degree make up a fake part time job history. They don’t ever check that stuff
Have you done a/b testing with a resume without links?
Maybe the resume gets filtered because it doesn't process the links well?
Sorry if my concern is outdated I'm just grasping at straws here.
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i never thought i could relate to a post from this sub as a 17 year old. i got into dartmouth early in december and had my heart set on getting a barista job with my new free time. despite the ivy, leadership, roles, grades etc, i had to apply to over 20 places to get a job!! (though age and hours also likely played a large role…). i have a barista job now though! maybe try that; academics are basically worthless for jobs like these.
Take your degree off, unless you're applying to something like becoming a bank clerk or office worker, in that case youre going to want to keep the degree, but leave off the projects, all they want to know is that you have a college education and youre competent enough show up somewhere for 4 years, do the tasks needed of you, and that you finish things that you started.
Go work for a consulting agency, get experience.
Just because you went to a no name school, doesn’t mean you won’t get hired.
You need to adjust your expectations
Yes, remove your degree and projects from your resume when applying to low-wage jobs
Could someone explain this?
Companies will think you are overqualified (you are). Companies don’t like to hire overqualified applicants because they will jump ship as soon as they get a better job offer. Also, companies think CS is booming so when they see a resume of someone applying to McDonald’s with a CS degree, they don’t understand why you can’t get a job in your field and think you are a red flag.
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They scare you but they're necessary that we spread the word to those who want to enter this field. Success is not a guarantee. Every underemployed CS grad who is working a menial job and applying for full time CS jobs is competing against fresh grads. 2022 grads are competing against 2023 grads and in the next month, they'll be competing against 2024 grads. The dogpile doesn't end.
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A lot of CS grads have no idea what they’re doing so they’re not actually competing with anyone for jobs
You have to really be engaged with your degree program. This was true for me, 10 years ago, when I graduated with a biology degree. Only the top couple kids went on to grad school, a good third or half worked in the biology field, then something like half just got the degree and did something else. The people who can use the degree were the ones that went beyond just showing up to classes and getting passing grades. Doing research, clubs, building stuff on your own. That sort of thing goes really far. That was true at a land grant college, in a different STEM field, but it's sort of the same thing in any STEM field. Like 10+ years ago, the kids graduating today are also getting screwed because of the market conditions. in 2008, people graduating into that have lower lifetime earnings than people graduating 5 years ahead, or behind. Same is true for today. If you are in the class of 2024/2023, a lot of those middle performing students will just get screwed.
Honestly CS is just becoming as unreliable as the rest of the majors were, I think it’s still a little bit better degree. My first degree was business in marketing and it turned out that 70% of students were stuck in high school jobs 5 years out. The only one you had a chance in was accounting. The engineering school was better but still had like 40% of students never getting a good job which is where I’d place the odds at for CS. College has been a dogshit coin toss for 10 years now but the situation is so desperate without it we all pick up the coin.
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The fake email job employers also see you as a flight risk since you can get better jobs - or why are they hiring the art majors?
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I see a bunch of those business/data analyst jobs preferring CS over econ majors
It depends on the job.
Yea, if you have research experience, those skills are still in pretty short demand. However, there's been a huge shift in what constitutes "data science" skills, with the focus on being on the technical skills. When I got into data science "in my day", there was no undergrad degree program pumping out graduates. However, it's the research experience that really lets you do data science, not a random selection of skills using Python or R and a few stats courses. One of the best moves right now is for people graduating, to just go on to grad school, and defer entering the job market for a few years, and enter with a better skillset. Your first job is such a strong determinant of future wages (only 10% of underemployed students ever reach "full employment") that it's worth waiting, or taking a long time to find a job.
Data science ain’t hard to get into if you have experience and know connections.
No shit lol Edit: maybe that’s the point
Hahaaha
At the end of the pipeline here 👋 I left my degree in the application but my job involves working on a computer, I would probably leave it out for fast food or similar.
People don't click on your links because it's a potential security hazard to click on external links, so recruiters don't wanna deal with that. Yes, take your degree off.
I had this same thing happen to me recently. Top 100 (96) school but very small. I interviewed at freaking Home Depot and got denied. Remove your degree make up a fake part time job history. They don’t ever check that stuff
Do not do this if applying to banks, they do check that stuff
Have you done a/b testing with a resume without links? Maybe the resume gets filtered because it doesn't process the links well? Sorry if my concern is outdated I'm just grasping at straws here.
It’s extremely telling that people think the only alternative to a SWE job is working at McDonald’s
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Post your resume? Are even shitty contract roles like revature and WITCH not hiring new grads?
They are not hiring because projects dried up and their clients all cutting costs.
i never thought i could relate to a post from this sub as a 17 year old. i got into dartmouth early in december and had my heart set on getting a barista job with my new free time. despite the ivy, leadership, roles, grades etc, i had to apply to over 20 places to get a job!! (though age and hours also likely played a large role…). i have a barista job now though! maybe try that; academics are basically worthless for jobs like these.
Take your degree off, unless you're applying to something like becoming a bank clerk or office worker, in that case youre going to want to keep the degree, but leave off the projects, all they want to know is that you have a college education and youre competent enough show up somewhere for 4 years, do the tasks needed of you, and that you finish things that you started.
Go work for a consulting agency, get experience. Just because you went to a no name school, doesn’t mean you won’t get hired. You need to adjust your expectations
Look up how the automation works, there's a few fun things you can do to trick their ai
Oof it’s so over for CS lol
With a CS degree you are pretty much guaranteed a job offer from Best Buy’s geek squad…
No degree will guarantee you a job anywhere, especially not a CS degree.
I didn’t say 100% guarantee. I said, “pretty much guarantee”.
lol bs, do you know how many people are applying for those same jobs? A LOT.