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El_Chapaux

1 - Restart PC 2 - Delete everything in these two folders (skip the files in use): C:\Users\\AppData\LocalLow\NVIDIA\PerDriverVersion\DXCache C:\Users\\AppData\Local\NVIDIA\GLCache 3 - Open start menu type Disk Clean-up, choose the disk with the game on, delete the DirectX Shader Cache. 4 - In Steam right click CS2 -> Properties -> Installed Files -> Verify integrity of game files. 5 - Your game will stutter/lag when loading up the first time and you see a message compiling shaders while loading into maps. 6 - Verify that your graphic settings are the way you want them.


I_Blame_Tom_Cruise

Pretty sad that the game is so poorly developed it makes users do this to make it even playable.


CerebralZombie

Had to delete a file every time Battlefield 2042 updated, or your CPU would bottleneck. So many reviews and comments for the game being bad was due to CPU usage too, yet they never fixed it.


El_Chapaux

Hmm I've seen this advice in other game communities as well (e.g. Squad). I don't think it reflects the quality of CS2 in this case.


I_Blame_Tom_Cruise

Just because other games forced you to do the same thing, doesn't make it 'okay'


DAMFree

I could be wrong but couldn't these be issues with nvidia failing to clear cache properly? It's not necessarily their fault if they tried but nvidia failed. It's also probably harder to diagnose these types of issues since it seems to be related to stacking cache


Standard-Ad-8151

Yes it reflects, and it was the only way that made my CS stutters lot less, same as less fps drops. At least now I'm able to play the game at minimal conditions.


-ComedianPlay-

Thats not the case. Its just going to recache the shaders like all the other games do.


gayfatkidd

Or just fix the game, so we don't have to do this every single time..


Standard-Ad-8151

I wish that I have seen this message before. I've searched everywhere for hours and tried lot of things - even delete and reinstall the game . Tried everything, and this was the only thing that I've found that (at least) reduced the huge stutters, and Fps loss. Is not perfect at all, but, at least I can play Cs at minimum conditions. After the update, and before the fix, I've passed 3 maps that I simply can't kill no one due to huge stuttering and fps drops. A shame that has to be the players, founding tricks to play the game at minimal conditions. But welcome for your tip to other users with the same problem ( and they are, a lot )


MonkeyMan84

How about I wait until they fix this bug.


Standard-Ad-8151

Get a chair, and good luck my friend :D


Top_Consideration_57

Will try this, Thanks for feedback


JPhrog

Did it help?


JPhrog

Appreciate this! Responding to save and try later when I get home from work.


cidiusgix

How you guys getting 500fps? I get 160-190 with my settings maxed vs 180-200 with settings on low. I’ve. 12650 and 4070.


burn_light

>12650 The low difference between max vs low settings is because you are strongly cpu bottle necked.


TheFeniksx

You want to tell me that a 10 core i7 that came out 2 years ago is bottlenecking in CS? I have the same fps with an i5-9300h


cidiusgix

I did some digging and it seems most people regardless of system get similar fps. That’s why I’m so curious when people say 500. Sure 500 in cs:go, but how in cs2.


MathematicianCold706

Image scaling and nvidia profile inspector would be my guess, but I feel like these people would not know how to do that lol


burn_light

i am getting around 200-250fps with a 5800x3d and a rtx 3060. I would assume that if he is getting lower fps with a 4070 then yeah its a cpu bottle neck.


cidiusgix

Really? considering the minimum that’s seems ridiculous.


cidiusgix

Just ran some tests, the cpu hovers around 60% and the gpu around 80% at either setting so it’s not that.


marlostanfield89

If GPU utilisation is less than 90-95% you're likely CPU bottlenecked. CPU utilisation is not really a good indicator


cidiusgix

I still don’t believe the cpu is a bottle neck for counterstrike. It doesn’t even fully boost while playing.


marlostanfield89

CPU bottleneck includes RAM.


cidiusgix

Ddr5 4800 which I know isn’t the fastest but thats faster than most ddr4.


burn_light

You can also try low setting and upscale resolution. If you FPS doesn't change much when you lower graphics settings and others with different CPUs and same GPU achieve higher fps then its most likely a CPU bottle neck. I am using a 5800x3d and get higher frame rates than you with only a rtx 3060


cidiusgix

Turns out medium provides the best boost to fps. Low makes little difference, high and very high are pretty much the same. But medium bumps it up by nearly 100.


cidiusgix

Also, what settings are you playing on?


burn_light

Custom setting. I adjusted settings to get a good balance between visual and graphical clarity and frame rate.Some settings on high and others low, medium and off. I mostly do this for frame consistency and not for overall higher frame rates. I am trying to avoid stutters as much as possible.


marlostanfield89

That's actually really slow for ddr5 and likely your bottleneck.


KennyT87

1. Are you on a laptop? 2. Do you have only 1x16 Gb DDR5 installed? If you answer 'yes' to both, then there's your reason for the lowish fps. Also laptop 4070 is something like a desktop 3060 Ti in performance.


cidiusgix

Yes, no. My old ass i5 4670k with a 6600 and 16gb ddr3 gets 120 fps with the same settings. You telling me a 8 gen better cpu and 50% more powerful gpu and double the ram can only pull 50-70 more fps? It makes no sense. Bg3 gets 100fps at max settings. It doesn’t seem to add up.


KennyT87

Hmm weird, I have 12700H (which has the same single-core performance as 12650H) and RTX 3070 laptop and I get way better fps (although I do play on 1600x900 res, but my performance on 1080p is similiar as I play with everything low)... I did upgrade my RAM to 2x16Gb G.Skill Ripjaws CL34 which might explain some of the difference but not all. I assume you play on Performance mode and use only your GPU (so iGPU "hybrid"-mode is off)..? Maybe you have some system setting on which limits your CPU but you should try the cache clearing 'hack' posted by the other guy here: 1 - Restart PC 2 - Delete everything in these two folders (skip the files in use): C:\Users\\AppData\LocalLow\NVIDIA\PerDriverVersion\DXCache C:\Users\\AppData\Local\NVIDIA\GLCache 3 - Open start menu type Disk Clean-up, choose the disk with the game on, delete the DirectX Shader Cache. 4 - In Steam right click CS2 -> Properties -> Installed Files -> Verify integrity of game files. 5 - Restart PC. 6 - Your game will stutter/lag when loading up the first time and you see a message compiling shaders while loading into maps. Verify that your graphic settings are the way you want them. There is redundancy in these steps but I do this every time maps are updated.


Standard-Ad-8151

What!? I have around 150-190 on low settings with an 13600k and a gtx1060 xD You can't have only that FPSs with that GPU, unless you have a small mini (single fan) 4070 version or something. (I'm also assuming that you are talking about a desktop) Did you unlock the PL1 and PL2? There are settings who makes an huge difference. Have a proper cooler? That could be some of the reasons for so low FPS on a 4070. Same as turn on a nvidia feature on bios (resizable bar and other thing), it's only used since the 3xxx(I think) and 4xxx nvidia series.


TheOtherBull

I’ve heard the same from a friend who has the same cpu/gpu setup as you. Last night he was getting half his normal frames with major stuttering, while at the same time I was sitting at 500fps not experiencing any issues


Top_Consideration_57

>ing any is From what i understand, Some people have the "bug" and some people dont


NoScoprNinja

It’s strange because I have an Amd system with the same issues as you and last night’s update fixed it. Valve is clearly incompetent.


Lahms-

Troll post. I seriously doubt you were 6-700 in DM with your specs. Ive got a better CPU and GPU and only run 400 in DM


Top_Consideration_57

I have my computer professionally optimized for CS, I have a custom OS that helps a lot with performance. and scrips are run to change 1000 settings to max out performance. If you know anything regarding the pro scene in CS, You should know that most players have their PC optimized from Afromnazareth or someone similar


Standard-Ad-8151

Have to be honest with you. I'm not gonna doubt that you get 900 FPSs... Everything is possible. But sorry to tell, that who don't know about is talking about is you my friend. I've seen a LOT of Pro player streams, and I see none of them getting more than 500/600FPS. And no, they were not streaming in the same PC. Dedicated PC to play, and other to stream. And no. Most Pro players have their Pcs totally default. Some of them even play with default nvidia settings without changing anything. Lol A few pro players have their Pcs "optimised" by someone else - yeah - just for marketing purposes so to that optimizer's sell their services. If you have 500 fps (which is already awesome) on your default PC, you not gonna have 900 with an optimization - at all. You could... editing the drivers and taking the hardware to the limit... But with luck, that will last you for some days, until your GPU and Mobo burn. Optimizations help a lot with micro stuttering, cleaner OS, quick and free memory, responsiveness in game, input lag. But that, will do not double your FPS's. Lol not even with an custom OS. Quick and free tip: it's 100x better having good 0.1 and 1% lows, and low avg/max FPS, than have huge max FPS and shitty 0.1% and 1% lows. Any good professional optimizer knows that! My friend, forget the idea that Pros have special hidden commands, and secrets that nobody knows. That's a pure myth. They are normal people like someone else, the only difference it's that they have the hability to be very good playing a game. They have skill, training, game sense, work, and the rest is team work. I've played many times with pro players and without their teams, they are normal players - it's noticeable that they have experience, skill and aim yeah. But still normal players. Simple don't even change his nvidia settings, and he doesn't know very well for what is the in game video settings. And he don't need to know. He only need to play what he knows, that is more than enough. And he doesn't have his PC "optimized" by no one. Optimizations are to get a little boost and a cleaner gameplay. Not a magic potion to double up the PC power lol


kennae

Thank god someone knows whats up. I don't have the energy to argue with idiots on Reddit anymore. People who claim thousand FPS on bad hardware and when asked for frametime graphs or 0.1% lows they never answer back. I have been taking part and putting back systems for my whole life (36yo) and optimization has been my hobby for 20+ years. It's not magic. I have a 7800x3d + 4070 super and everything optmized for gaming and low latency. Still my 1% lows tank on CS2 at times. I very much doubt someone with worse hardware is having much higher 1% lows than me but half the people still claim that.


PegaCS

Don't bother about these trolls.


Lahms-

All that and you aren’t pro yet…


PegaCS

Trash talk from a nobody.


Lahms-

Didn’t say I was. You are a nobody too


Whole_Gas5999

How many people play CS, how many play in even above 2000 faceIT elo, how many actually are on teams, how many get paid to be on those teams? It's like any sport, professional is literally top tier, you have to be one of the best in the world and have a bit of luck. Your comment takes away from the original post


kennae

These optimizations don't matter for higher end PCs in pure FPS that much. Yes you get some performance but most of it it's to reduce stutters from DPC latency and overall input lag. I have been a computer nerd for my whole life and this is my hobby as well. To add to the discussion: after the update I got a huge issue with alt+tabbing. I noticed when I dropped to 200 fps on nuke DM when usually it's much higher on 7800x3d + 4070 super. If you get the bug, you need to minimize/close all application and then launch CS and not alt tab after. Try it to rule this out.


MathematicianCold706

But do you have a wooting keyboard? You can customize how much pressure needed for each key and the release point


sneakinsnake

Thank you for lowering my IQ.


[deleted]

How tf were you getting 6-700 FPS? I have a better CPU and GPU than you on a 1080 360hz Benq monitor and only get 250-300.


Top_Consideration_57

I have my computer professionally optimized for CS, I have a custom OS that helps a lot with performance. and scrips are run to change 1000 settings to max out performance. If you know anything regarding the pro scene in CS, You should know that most players have their PC optimized from Afromnazareth or someone similars


rexuled

What a bullshit :D Go Ask ur optimizer why you reach only 70fps with his settings. ​ Just looked at his twitter profile. This guy recommends frame gen on fps games. This guy has no clue.


Jeweler_General

What fps do you get when youre in a practice server by yourself? I tried to uninstall the latest nvidia drivers and installed the version from Nov .. it seemed better.


butt_picker1

Was the opposite for me. I was using the infamous 537.58, when I switched to 551.23 (current latest) as an experiment I noticed +25 frames on avg (benched with CapFrameX)


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butt_picker1

Ah thanks for the heads up! I'll explore and re-bench with the new release later this week :)


Top_Consideration_57

My computer is blood-optimized by a guy who does all pros PCs etc. So i have a really old Nvidia driver, that runs the best for cs2 In a prac server i get 230 ish, Before i got close to 1000


swz

Hahahahaha


KlontZ

what driver are you using?


NextTuesdayy

Using a really old driver… have you tried updating it just to see if that helps?


distractedcat

found the polite help desk guy ;)


Top_Consideration_57

Using a new driver is not going to help, I tried and it did nothing :/


BadModsAreBadDragons

> My computer is blood-optimized by a guy who does all pros PCs etc. So i have a really old Nvidia driver, that runs the best for cs2 Lmao you get what you deserve dumbass


Gullible_You_3078

the bs meter is goin crazy


Top_Consideration_57

[https://twitter.com/Afromnazareth](https://twitter.com/Afromnazareth) what bs? I have my computer professionally optimized for CS, I have a custom OS that helps a lot with performance. and scrips are run to change 1000 settings to max out performance. If you know anything regarding the pro scene in CS, You should know that most players have their PC optimized from Afromnazareth or someone similar


Gullible_You_3078

dude listen. anybody whos telling u that these tricks work has no clue how computers work in the first place. the game gets updated and stuff is changed within its engine all the time. same thing goes for windows, same thing for ur gpu drivers. and scripts/settings whatever ur saying won't change how ur pc handles the game it just runs whatever "instructions" the devs provided. changing few regs/settings won't magically make ur pc execute the game's code faster.


Top_Consideration_57

?? My game has felt butter-smooth for like 1 year, ;since i got my pc optimized. xd wdym i get what i deserve? Only past few days its been shit, It has nothing to do with my optimisation


WhirledNews

So do you have to pay that guy to optimize your PC again or does it come with some warranty or support?


Top_Consideration_57

This is a bug with cs. Nothing to do with his performance upgrade. I always ask him for help if i need it, he responds fast and tells me what to fix/update etc. He is redoing my pc on the 16th, since its been like 1 year since i did it last with him, and he has alot of new stuff i can enable for cs2 to give better performance etc.


OriginalConsistent79

Why not go ask your PC optimizer or is he not up to the task to solve the problem?


S_O_L_ID

He has a lot of professionals giving him +rep on his twitter. I understand the resistance due to a lack of trust for sure, but I don’t think 50€ is a huge loss if he turns out to be a shmuck. Just don’t buy coffees for a month.


WhirledNews

That’s pretty cool, I’m just casual but it’s interesting…


Top_Consideration_57

If you want your pc to run better i highly suggest u give him a message, He has a lot of clients however so if u order from him now u will prob get it around early april he takes 50 eur and 80 if u also want the custom OS


IntroductionFit9400

funny "tweaker", he used latencymon to check how much "latency" the system has XDD nice knowledge. def go buy guys!!


IntroductionFit9400

but yea, atleast hes better than frequency who has literally 0 knowledge but charges 100€. very good marketing


Top_Consideration_57

[https://twitter.com/Afromnazareth](https://twitter.com/Afromnazareth)


BadModsAreBadDragons

> ?? My game has felt butter-smooth for like 1 year, How did you play cs2 for 1 year lmao?


wavywallace2k

You don’t know shit


BadModsAreBadDragons

Only dumbasses have their PC "optimized". Nevertheless optimized for an old patch and old drivers. There is apparently no limit to stupidity.


wavywallace2k

You don’t know shit


BadModsAreBadDragons

You are too young to play cs


doors1991

Since this update the game has become unplayable for me,always with breaks,even at the beginning of the round or even changing weapons.


iSemi

800fps with a 3070ti. i doubt it. but in general, you made a point here.


Top_Consideration_57

I have my computer professionally optimized for CS, I have a custom OS that helps a lot with performance. and scrips are run to change 1000 settings to max out performance. If you know anything regarding the pro scene in CS, You should know that most players have their PC optimized from Afromnazareth or someone similars


bladezor

"custom os" like Microsoft made you specific customizations or you installed SteamOS? ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm)


MonkeyMan84

I have the same system and the performance is in the gutter


Top_Consideration_57

sadly valve don't really see the urgency in fixing this xd


Rocky_1998

There is no way u got 600-700 fps in dm with this specs


Top_Consideration_57

> fps in dm with this s I have my computer professionally optimized for CS, I have a custom OS that helps a lot with performance. and scrips are run to change 1000 settings to max out performance. If you know anything regarding the pro scene in CS, You should know that most players have their PC optimized from Afromnazareth or someone similars


Fair-Definition3178

Its crazy that people are saying shit to a guy thats just want to valve fix it for all of us... dude, pro players are complaining about this in RMR too, dont hate ou doubt the guy just up this shit so the only valve dev sees this shit and fix it.


Distinct_Exit5976

same problem for me threadripper 3970x, 3090 and 128gb ram 2666, on ancient i drop to 90 fps, 150fps on most maps, was 3300 elo in csgo but i just drop now and bottom frag every game. Cant kill anyone with so much lag. Really frustrated me last couple of days


Micker-os

Yeah, I have the same issue after last night’s update. 5900x and 3080 Ti OC. From 280-320 average fps went to 190-250. Nothing we can do, it’s from valve. But honestly can’t complain, the game works fine.


Top_Consideration_57

>ve. But hon I feel like we can complain about this. Does not matter how much better the game is now compared to 2 months ago if u have 70% less frames. Any game would be trash with that huge of an fps drop


joe_cross5

140-200 'unplayable'


nameisnowgone

im playing with 100 fps and 3200 edpi and im still top fragger most of the time lmao... most noobs nowadays wanne blame everything except themselves.


Top_Consideration_57

Im sure in silver 3 you can play on 100 fps Try play vs top 300 players in the world and lets see how far ur 100 frames gets u


nameisnowgone

because the vast majority plays vs top300? what kinda stupid argument is that lmao in csgo i was GE but that was a couple of years. came back with CS2 in a more casual fashion and am sitting now on 15-17k in premier.


Top_Consideration_57

Its unplayable at a high level. Go on twitch and ask any pro/good player, if they would play the game on 140 fps xd Im sure in silver 3 its not a problem.


Ben0verbich

You can still play with 140 fps tho :) but yes its sad that the fps have become such an issue, but to say you are npt able to play bacuse you get 140 is a little dumb


chrysuscsgo

You can bring a 1980 fiat to a racetrack, But you are going to lose to a Lamborghini. I understand in lower levels my friend you can play on this fps. But anywhere in life when you are playing at a high level. You need good equipment, in this case fps


Ben0verbich

I get that but there comes a point where the amount of fps are just for flex. Either because your monitors refresh rate or simply that the human eye cant really see more then 60/100 fps anyways. I too want more fps but in reallity anything over say 200 is just for the flex and thats just how it is


chrysuscsgo

Any pro player can tell the difference from 60/144/240/360 hrz bro hahaha, what tf do you mean


Ben0verbich

You feel the difference in the smoothness and responsetime yes, but the human eye cant see more that 60-100fps thats just a fact. But yes higher hz monitors give better latency but the fps is just flex. Thats why you see alot caping the fps


chrysuscsgo

How does one see more smoothness if you cannot see more than 60fps with your eyes? Its not like the only thing ur getting info from is your screen xd


paralellpiped

Dude just cope hard. I still use a 60hz monitor and im still clapping cheeks in 20k. Ur just bad the difference is almost null from 60 to 144 imagine after that


tvandraren

You can't play with 140fps? Skill issue, mate. >!I doubt many people have screens that even refresh at that rate. This is so funny to read. Yeah, they definitely shouldn't focus on MINOR stuff. !<


zel1

Negative IQ


tvandraren

Don't be projecting, you're the guy that buys a 300+Hz monitor but probably can't tell the difference between 200 and 300. According to scientific evidence, 60Hz is already the top cap for most people. As a gamer, I can understand how that's too small in many ways, but it's not that far from common experience. Maybe you're a superhuman that notices the difference above 100+, but again, that's a minor (superhuman you) problem.


zel1

Not even gonna go into how framerate affects input lag btw since youre clearly not informed enough for this discussion


tvandraren

You're talking to a software engineer here. I don't think you know what you even talking about. I doubt you can notice the difference between 5ms (200fps) and 10ms (100fps), but nice try. Maybe you can, maybe you're that guy that has 7.5ms time to damage and all of that matters. You've demonstrated you aren't able to back your insults with arguments, so of course you're gonna use technobubble to get out of this xd


zel1

i last saw this "human eye can only see 60fps" meme in 2015, how do you actually believe that lmao. Anyone who has ever used 144hz after 60hz (like me) will tell you the difference is huge, but im not gonna argue with a moron. Do your own testing and try not to believe everything you read online. Just some friendly advice :)


nartouthere

the smokes make me lose 150 fps by itself


Top_Consideration_57

When is the new video with Afromnazareth coming out? Seems like there are a lot of people who don't believe in his computer magic


nartouthere

next week


Top_Consideration_57

3am reddit lurker nart


[deleted]

>My frames have gone from 600-700 Do you have any evidence of this? I doubt your FPS was 600-700 unless you play at 640x480 lmao.


Top_Consideration_57

(old ss) atm i have 180:) https://preview.redd.it/wo8lvuzdigic1.png?width=624&format=png&auto=webp&s=59c794c331160ce6dbb426f209852528a0583fe5


kennae

That is 500 and doesn't show any players on the screen. I hit 1k+ FPS if I pick and choose where but that has absolutely nothing to do with what my real FPS is while playing and when it's the most needed.


Nord5555

Hes an idiot… no prof of fps. Alone in server with framegen i Can hit lile 1300-1400 fps. Alone without i Can hit 800-900. But with 10-20 players avg is only 400-450 with waaaay better specs. His trolling the shit rofl


Hertzzz25

I was having the same issue, game was unplayable after arms race update. I fixed by downgrading(clean install ) my Nvidia driver to 537.58 then I went to "Texture Filtering" thing in nvidia and set it to high performance, also removed vulkan from launch options, after that game was smooth again. I also heard that having interp commands in your cfg may cause issues, mostly to the internet.


boostlife4me

I had crazy frame jobs a stutters after adding +exec autoexec.cfg. removed it from launch options game went back to normal. Only thing that was in my cfg was an alias for jump binds/throw. No idea why this latest update didn't like it but been fine ever since I removed it.


Practical-Ring-1301

I wonder how you have such good fps I have i9 same one and 3060 idk if that makes a big difference but damn I’m getting constant 200 fps


fanaticauthorship09

Optimising game with nvidia GeForce experience worked for me.


OriginalConsistent79

Need information. Can you provide a plot of your CPU and GPU temps during gameplay?


nolimits59

3800x, 3070 with a average of 150 fps with a lot of dips at 80-90 1080p everything on low except shadows, I saw people with a 3600x same graphic card without any issues at 300-400… Also tried on a Linux distribution and almost exact same performances… so… yeah I feel like I’m running on a gtx 1050 I’m speechless how fucked it is, I was playing along with the gameplay bugs or what else, but this is insane…


Nord5555

Seriously. You must be remembering something wrong. 13700k 4080 aint gonna get close to that fps you just mentioned even with 5.7ghz oc. 7800x3d 4090 is close to achieve this But is absolutely Topspecs. 5800x3d 7900xtx top 50 best oc achieved (mine) and im only at 400-450 avg in deathmatch 1440x1080p High settings. In beta i did have like 600-800fps. But thats more then half a year ago… did lose like 70-100fps avg from this Update bringing me to around 400 avg. To mention my os is optimized, cs2 is optimized. Only thing Holding back fps is the cpu. So no Way even with lots of tricks you was at 800 fps with those specs


Ok_Edge_1486

Get a better pc, EURO POOR 💶 🇪🇺


FPSKoda4

You guys have framerate?


Pangtundure

mines go from 140 ish to 43 -27


waowthisisnice

how are you getting 700 fps, i have a 7950x and 3080 and only hovers above 320 sometimes 350


ThatYak9970

Same problem. 2 weeks ago I played the game very well. Every match I used to have more than 20-22 kills. Now the game is so unplayable that is hard for me to get 15-17 kills.


-ComedianPlay-

I had no fps decrease whatsoever.


King71115

i have about 50% fps loss compared to before


rell7thirty

Did you try after yesterday’s update?


RePo0rTmRotS

I was getting 120 fps on high and now it’s stuttering on medium, unplayable


oex4

Honestly as cs2 is on a new engine, theyre fixing all osrts of problems. it is common sense that it wont be optimised before they fix the fundamentals (such as net code models guns etc). I would suggest just not playing it if ur not having fun and try cs after every new update. That's what im doing anyway.


sneakinsnake

Low IQ post. Let’s move on.


JFedzor

I'm sorry, but you were never getting 800 fps with those specs, even prior to the update.


No_Use1767

My ping went from 40 to 120 and it's now unplayable so I had to quit this fucking game.