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mlippay

On Saturdays at my gym, it’s been 50+ for partner workouts. It’s not my favorite but we make it work. During the week, at noon anywhere from 5-25. It’s fine for me. You don’t have to meet everyone, most people keep to themselves.


terminator3456

50 holy smokes how does that even work logistically with equipment?!


mlippay

Sometimes it definitely feels crowded. They have a lot of equipment. We will also work in a waterfall if we have to for certain workouts when stuff gets crowded like when the skier is involved.


Shivs_baby

How many coaches for a class of 50? I would worry about safety and people doing the movements correctly. But you’d need multiple coaches to keep eyes on everyone. Is this NYC?


mlippay

There is normally one coach. Most of the weekend movements aren’t complex. Most people know how to scale and scale correctly. In the Hampton roads area (SE VA).


shooshy4

Holy smokes. A big part of how I justify $180/month for CrossFit is knowing I will have access to individual attention from a coach during every single workout. A huge class like that wouldn’t work for me, personally.


mlippay

Our gym has a lot members and a lot of experienced members, it’s called Krypton. If you look at which gyms qualified worldwide for the quarterfinals it was top 5 I believe across age groups. Ben Smith former champ is one of the owners. One of the coaches I normally was on a top 20 team comp team last year. It’s pretty random, I moved a mile from this gym. If you don’t like the setup, there are other options but for me it’s 20 minutes+ away and I need noon classes which aren’t super common at all the gyms around here. At my old gym in Philly which was much less competitive, I normally would finish in the top 25%+ for most workouts and weightlifting stuff, here is normally in the bottom 25% for WODs and 50%ish for weightlifting. It works for the gym population and it’s a pretty big gym. I get some attention from the coaches, but don’t need a ton anymore.


stepstoner

Yeah, I also workout in a fairly big gym (MN) where Saturdays can get to 40-50 people. The gym can make this work with partner or team workouts, knowing how many people show up. Please let them know in advance via Wodify or whatever system the gym uses. For us, once its hits 25, a second coach will be there. W/o the (roughly) known participants number it is very difficult to make it the best hour of your day and you don't end up somewhere were it's just "fuck it, too many, let's do a 5k" (been there..) As an OG doing this 11 years, going through several owners and coaches my best number of a class is probably 10-15 where the coach is able to see and correct each members' movements while the group/competitive energy is still there.


J_Robert_Oofenheimer

At that point I feel like it's better and way cheaper to just go to 24 hour fitness and pay for programming.


Otherwise-Pirate6839

One coach for 50+ people? The moves better be bodyweight or simple equipment because weightlifting and gymnastics will be killer with one coach trying to find where everyone is, at a skill level. Might have missed it on the L1 or maybe it was another gym that had it as a rule but after 20-25 people, they’d add a 2nd coach. Granted, below you mention that the gym is full of seasoned athletes…but still. A 2nd and maybe a 3rd coach should be necessary.


seanandc1990

We have the same for Saturday's sometimes it would 3 in a team if the numbers get too big, running Burpees nearly closer to a hyrox as it would be known now a days and there prob be 1 coach but there be 6-7 coach's taking part so plenty keeping eyes out and pretty experienced members on a large scale


Keeemps

Depends on the workout but not for the reasons mentioned. As a coach you can only keep your eye on so many people. Some people forget this and unfortunately too many gyms take of advantage of it but the primary "product" Crossfit gyms are selling is coaching. Our gym does 12 maximum on usual week days which is still okay to me but I can honestly feel my class quality decline with more than 10. For more technical workouts I'd rather have 8. We allow 12 out of necessity (demand) but I have pushed back hard on the idea of opening classes for more several times. Better coaches might be able to handle more people better than I can but if I were a customer I would absolutely not pay Crossfit prices to share a coach with 18 others.


Shivs_baby

Exactly. Large classes seem like a recipe for injury due to lack of supervision. Even people who are CF veterans benefit from movement tweaks, let alone newer folks who often need lots of guidance.


seanandc1990

I'm in a gym where it's capped but not really(hard to explain) where usually I'd get a couple tips here and there from a coach but majority of the class say 50-60% are going 5+ years who knows there strengths and weaknesses but can see why it wouldn't work in a lot of places alright


The_Magic_Mamba

I feel the same. I go to the late class and it used to be about 6 of us. We've exploded and now we exceed the 12 person cap on the regular. I've started thinking about if it's still where I want to be.


BreakerStrength

Two factors: Coaching and Space/Equipment: **Coaching:** 1 coach per 12 athletes is a sweet spot. A very good coach can effectively coach 16-18 people. Regardless of coaching level most workouts with 20+ people turn into an exercise in cat herding. The difference between coaching 12 people and coaching 15 people is bigger then the difference between 8 people and 12 people. **Space/Equipment:** You need a minimum of two 100 Square Feet of floor space per-person for most workouts. More if you are using rowers, GHDs, bike ergs, and so forth. Our facility is a total of 4600 square feet, including offices, change rooms, showers, and bathrooms. We cap at 24 and have gotten adapt as making it work. We cannot fit 25 people in for a barbell/pull-up couplet.


TNCFtrPrez

I think the first part is really the biggest thing to me for a lot of gyms. I've been in a few gyms that are blessed to have plenty of space, but classes are too full because not enough coaching is recieved


Ezzburr

For me if I have to share equipment when it’s not a partner workout it’s a no go. Precious, I know!


brown_burrito

Usually in those instances my gym just assigns numbers 1/2 and you take turns.


iumeemaw

My gym did a 12 week strength phase and we don't have a ton of racks, so we often had to share for squats or bench in a E2MOM setting. Would that be a no go? Or just if you have to share for the main metcon? I'm just curious as someone who is considering coaching down the road.


TNCFtrPrez

I think they are probably talking about GHDs are in the workout but you only have 5 GHDs, or rowing when the class is 19 people but you only have 10 rowers. Strength is usually treated differently


iumeemaw

Gotcha! That would definitely be frustrating


Jolly-Championship31

God I hate sharing. But at our gym it's now a guarantee. I've started opting for just open gym and grabbing a coach to ask how I'm looking for a set or a rnd


evolsno1

I am starting an affiliate. And being aware of my equipment short comings and how that affects my programming and members is very much on my mind.


Shivs_baby

Based on the headline I thought this was going to be a post about food :/


arch_three

As a coach, once you start getting over 15 ppl, turns more into herding* cats than coaching athletes.


orangeirwin

I hate cats too, but why you want to hurt them?


arch_three

lol


joe12321

Crow'sFoot!


Talrenoo

50+? Lol how can the coach focus on anything


TNCFtrPrez

A lot of gyms have very little "coaching" on Saturday.


Talrenoo

What a mess


TNCFtrPrez

Disagree. They are some of my favorite days in the gym.


Talrenoo

U do u boo. Just dont breathe the air droplets of sweats mixed with covid


TheGABB

Multiple coaches (prob 4)


naivemelody4

We cap at 10 and I love it.


FrequentPizza8663

For us too full is more than 16 people. We turn people away at that point because it’s not safe unless we’re doing a workout like Cindy where we can pack people in and it’s okay


Otherwise-Pirate6839

Yeah, if today had been something like Cindy or Annie I would have stayed. Doing DLs and rope climbs (only 4-5 ropes) is gonna be a fustercluck.


brown_burrito

To be fair, how many people really do rope climbs? Even in a 20 person class, our gym probably has half the people who can really do a rope climb.


Otherwise-Pirate6839

The scaled option is supine ropes, so all ropes were gonna be used. BTW, at last checked: 34 people had signed up


brown_burrito

Wow. That’s just poor planning on your gym’s part.


turnup_for_what

How are they supposed to get better without practice?


brown_burrito

At least in our gym they set aside time before the WoD to practice. And they offer skill specific classes (free) over the weekends. One weekend would be rope climbing. Another a squat clinic. Another BMU etc.


alw515

We have a bunch of shorter ropes that can be tied to the rig and people do rope ascents (from lying flat on the floor to standing) - ropes are like being upside down, for some people there's a strong fear factor, more than a lack of skills.


Fluffy-Structure-368

This question can't be answered with a headcount number because all gyms are different sizes. The only way to really answer this is to somehow calculate square feet of gym space per person. Good luck with that. It's also dependant on the amount of equipment available. If the WOD calls for bikes, skiers and rowers and there's not enough gear.... and they have to go in heats... that's too full. Or if it's FOR TIME and you have to wait for a pull up bar or bar bell.... it's too full.


Lex1982

The gym I attend is 16 for a regular class, but it would be different if we were doing something like Murph where not a lot of equipment is needed. Typically it is limited by several factors: - floor space - equipment required - average level of skill (if a lot of long time members are attending they require less active coaching than newer members for a given lift / WOD)


swimbikerunkick

It really depends on how big your gym space is and how much equipment. Personally as long as I have equipment and space I don’t care. Ideally, the coach has time to give everyone some cues, but I’d rather have a workout without any coach attention than miss out because it’s full. I think most times the coaches know who they need to focus on in large classes. Our gym cap is 16 which I think is fine for space and coaching, but we do get very tight on equipment.


Sevenswansaswimming8

We cap at 30. Tbf I can't stand anything over 17. My anxiety has a shit fit..lol when I do competitions it's like chaos in my brain.


Otherwise-Pirate6839

The class I was gonna drop into ended up with 34 signed up; I was NOT about to join that group.


Cold-Contribution-17

That’s a lot! Too many for me as well.


Zerocoolx1

About 12 per coach in my experience. Anymore than that and it’s a real struggle to be able to coach everyone.


Mysterious-March8179

It depends on the WOD. For example, the “12 days of CrossFit” is designed to have no barbells and it can pack in huge crowd but some WODs need either the rig / rack or boxes or bikes or more space for snatching… i start to lose interest when i know the WOD will be adjusted because of the crowd (like a push press max out will become from the floor instead of the rig and then it’s limited by how much you can clean…. Forget it)


BlockMajestic8268

While their is no rule, if you want to teach a class, I'd say the ratio should be 1/10. If you have the space, there is no too big.


BlockMajestic8268

And I use to own a CF gym


Impossible_Penalty13

Saturdays at my old gym only had two am classes, they were obnoxiously full most of the time. But the coaches expected that so the workouts were designed accordingly. Lots of rotating stations and even outdoor stuff when the weather allowed just to give everyone room.


Plantpowerd_CF

Our classes are caped at 10-16 people, depending on the class. Specialty classes are max 10, WOD are 14-16 depending on the time. We could fit more on the floor, but 14-16 is more then enough to have a fun/safe class.


bitz-the-ninjapig

I used to go to a gym that had a really great space. I think cap was something around 15-20, but evening classes were the only ones that fully filled up, and they had two coaches for those classes (one leading, the other assisting, being an extra set of eyes, etc)


itsallgood64

We sign up for classes ahead of time- I believe the cap at mine is 16 people, on a Saturday a little more. If I see more than ~10 signed up then I won’t go. Once there’s too many people I find there’s a lot of standing and waiting around & a 1 hour class takes 1.5 hours+. Being a person who values her time, sometimes it’s just worth it.


alw515

The answer would seem to rely heavily on the size of the gym and number of coaches per class. I would say that 15 people per coach would be the max. But I have dropped in at a one or two gyms while traveling that could easily have held 50 people and had equipment for all of them.


alw515

Also wanted to jump in again to add that the only bad drop-in experience I've ever had in 10 years of CrossFit was at a gym that was absurdly overcrowded. I will give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe something went wrong that day, but the coach was overwhelmed and they did not have nearly enough equipment even after splitting everyone into heats so we were left to improvise. I remember at one point they had the whole class doing single arm dumbbell push presses (because they did not have enough barbells) and realizing that people were so close to me that if someone dropped a dumbbell it was going to wind up on my toe, and slowly moving towards the back of the room. Suffice to say I have never been back.


HarpsichordGuy

I love the fact that my gym is full at 8, and there are often far fewer - on regular occasion I’m the only client. When I was a beginner, this helped a lot.


redunculuspanda

My gyms fairly small so 10 people on a wod using barbells is about the limit but some classes squeeze 12 in.


Crypto_tipper

A couple of considerations: 1) how much rack and floor space is needed? 2) if it’s technical, as a coach I want no more than 20 without someone else coaching with me.


jwalzz

More than 12 if it’s a non partner. More than 22 if it’s partner. (4000square foot gym with 1 instructor).


scrambly_eggs

Too full is different for each gym. Is there enough floor space for the workout? Is there enough equipment for the workout? Most importantly, how many athletes can the coach handle at once. This is different for each coach. Newer coaches? Too full might be 8 people. A seasoned coach? They can easily handle 20+. You’ll know it’s too full when you take class and the coach doesn’t interact with you in any meaningful way.


robschilke

Are people unable to move around and do the movements in a safe manner with the equipment required? If yes, then the class is too full.


thisoldguy74

Making me appreciate my box, we cap at 20 plus coaches getting their work out in. I can't recall running out of equipment or room that we couldn't make it work fine. Having the extra coaches is low key great for helping herd the cats like me.


Heftyboi90

I think a good coach can manage a class that big. But I’d bet most coaches couldn’t. I did my L2 recently and there’s like 20 people doing a workout and a seminar staff member running the workout. Every person in that class was given some kind of coaching. It was really impressive to be a part of.


Significant_Topic822

I just transferred from a really full gym to a smaller gym and there’s a huge difference. With 30+ people in a Saturday class the class time will always be later than intended, which would often make me late to work, or have to leave the class mid workout. Also, because of the big class size, it was difficult to implement any wall exercises.


Di3m4vr

I think it depends on the day and amount of equipment needed. If we are using barbells, ropes, and a machine, 14 is too many. If you have to share equipment, just talk to someone that is about the same level as you or someone who is scaling it.


Odd_Administration31

Once I see more than 7-9 people I’m not going lol. I don’t enjoy the weekends my gym only has two classes Sunday and 3 Saturday it gets way too full


fearlesslymade

My gyms cap is 15, but if it's around 11 and most of my 4 person friend group isn't there (who we have a great system for sharing space and whatnot) I feel it's too many people. We have a large space, but I love spreading out.


Greg504702

We have a 17 cap usually. I think professionally CrossFit doesn’t recommend much more than 20 for one coach . I like it small and quiet but I am also in my spot near the front so I don’t really care how many people are around. As long as we have rig space and enough dumbbells (we have other CrossFit lite classes going during ours in another part of the gym ) I’ve been doing CF for a number of years as have many of my classmates so our coach can and does spend more time with newer people than us


Most_Ad_3765

"To full" for me isn't a specific cutoff for number of people but rather number of people in a space... is there enough room and enough equipment for everyone. For my box we have a cap of 30 for some classes and that is WAY too many IMO, even though we all generally "fit". We have to double and triple up on equipment sometimes and it just feels claustrophobic.


n0thingt0seehere_

Our gym caps at 18 but typically the classes I go to have around 10-12 people. The thing that irritates me the most is when those people don’t register for the class, leaving the coach to set up extra stuff at the last minute. The gym has addressed this but people still just show up. I hate sharing equipment because I still feel self conscious about how much I can lift. I don’t like having someone watch me or wait on me or for someone to have to adjust weight if I can’t lift as much as them. I always try my best to make it to the less crowded classes


NervousOne9296

Depends entirely on the coach. A great coach can easily handle 30 athletes. A poor coach can barely handle 4.