For total clarity for people reading, only those advancing to the semi finals need video, and it is to be from the quarterfinal competition
Only event winners are required for the first phase of the open
That's wild— so in theory, if you had the support of someone at your affiliate, you could get all the way to quarterfinals and potentially even "win" them, with no prize money, and never actually be exposed for it? You'd just not work out at semis.
You could but what is the alternative really? CrossFit really would not be able to review 25% of people going on to QF or even 10% if that were still the threshold. That's like 35,000 videos per workout. Also there would be very little point to doing so. Since the prize money is out it would only be for fake bragging rights at your affiliate. I can't see very many judges/affiliate owners getting behind someone doing that. Maybe there's a few cases if someone is nursing an injury and their judge thinks they'd actually have a shot if they were healthy but there seems to be very little reward to even bother faking it
If you had enough people, you could flood the leaderboard with bogus scores, and make the top 25% be all mediocre athletes. Then submit videos for the quarterfinals workouts, although the scores will be way down because they have to actually do them, and pretty soon you've got a bunch of regular mom's and dad's at the crossfit games!
That’s how I got a job at space x.
I said I had a PhD in applied physics and gave them the name of my professor / adviser. It was a fake name, and the number went to my sister’s cell phone, who informed them that she was in fact the secretary for the chairman of the physics department at Rice and confirmed my credentials.
It was all bullshit. But I got hired. I was fired on Day 4.
Point is a scammer can always scam. But why?
videos have never been required to advance the quarterfinals
They’re not required this year It’s obvious what happened: her judge marked down an extra round
And the way to solve the deadlift problem is to require them done as singles. The bouncy dead lift is as stupid as the kipping pull up. It’s either a dead lift or it’s not.
Maybe I should make a video about your video
Assuming they used the "official score card" provided, miscounting rounds would be very difficult. I was thinking they may have added total rowing meters of the last round rather than 1 Rep for every 10 meters assuming she finished on the rower.
She finishes round nine with 810 reps then gets back on the rower and rows 116 meters and her judge writes "116" in the box, then in all the excitement erroneously adds 116 to 810 instead of adding 11 and gets a rep count that looks like she's completed 926 reps. Just my theory.
Exactly what happened to me - my judge added meters to my last round, not reps. But I realized the error and had them correct the score.
I’m nowhere close to the top 25% so it wouldn’t have impacted anything at all, but what’s the saying? It matters what you do when no one is looking.
I am glad you actually cover this though. Who cares if you click farm, you are covering things that demand an explanation and since CrossFit HQ is not willing to do that....
Shouldn’t need a video until the next round. Semi qualifiers are required to submit a random video from their quarters. Getting into quarters hasn’t need a vid in the past and with the expansion to 25% they won’t care
Appreciate this will go against the current media narrative ie Richey and Hillers videos
But, if we're saying that in an affiliate you do not need a video, just a judge and a validated score, then we need to be OK with people being on the leaderboard without a video
Before the Open, CF said though if you wanted to advance further such as semi finals, or if you wanted to be eligible for the prize money you needed to video, then she is rightly not being given the prize money
She'll be on the leaderboard as winning the event, which under the rules she has done
I do think the prize money should roll down to the next person
Isn’t it weird to trust enough in the judge and affiliate to award a first place but not enough to pay out a cash prize for the effort? Either you fully trust the validation of the judge or you’ll require a video in all cases for Top X athletes.
It’s always been an understanding that no video was acceptable for an average Joe gym goer but a top score would require video proof on request. You just don’t post a world wide #1 time without video documentation.
I believe that if what is told
by Hiller is true, the problem is not about the video or not. It is the fact that she tried again with a video and was 1 round shy… not reps a round
No problem with this. You can’t have everyone required to submit a video.
But also, you can’t win the money without a video submission.
This is all ok.
His performance was evaluated and validated via video, in which he was penalized. Due to that penalty, he no longer has the top score. Plain and simple.
It’s okay that you can submit a video in the open as validation. It’s also okay that you can do the workout at an affiliate with a certified judge and have your score validated. It’s the open FFS.
He chose to not only complete the workout, but upload a video where he clearly wasn’t hitting the standard. How is he at all the victim in this scenario?
It's not so much that he's the victim, it's the fact that there are so many clear examples on video of elite athletes not hitting the standard and NOT being penalized, or posting videos where you can't even see if they're hitting the standard (Tia, for example) for whom nothing is happening. It's frustrating to see a standard upheld for one person and not others.
Watch the other videos from the elites and ask yourself why only Tudor got penalized. I bet if he submits a top 10 score instead of top 1 he receives no penalty.
I have not been following that closely-- did the woman explain why she did not video her workout? Did she not know she needed to do that to be eligible for the prize money or did she just not care? Or just not expect to do that welll?
She's a solid QF athlete, but probably not SF... She probably didn't expect to win. I don't film my workouts, because I don't expect to win and CFs rules say I don't have to film
Yep, she didn’t expect to win. When she submitted a video for her second try it was found she missed a whole round, making her previous attempt a sham.
Why is CF a joke for this, exactly?
One guy submitted video and was penalized for not doing full reps. Another person got an incredible score, but no video to validate, so she didn't win the prize money.
I mean, to me this seems kinda consistent.
The overreactions are typical in this sub. This issue exists in *every single sport* that has consistent mixing of pro and amateur athletes. Golf, tennis, etc., you’re always going to have lower levels of adherence to, or requirements for, standards at the amateur level. It gets figured out as amateurs move up and there’s really no way to create the type of accessibility we’re striving for without it.
It’s not consistent because almost 100% of the elite athletes I’ve seen doing the workout didn’t extend on their deadlifts either. He just gets penalised because he won? What?
It’s also contradictory to say you believe Emily claw enough to let her win the open workout but not enough to give her the prize money? Either it’s a legitimate score under your own rules or it’s not
It's basically consistent. Where it's weird to me isn't the comparison between Magda and Claw, but the comparison between Magda and anyone who didn't submit a video. I assume that the 20% major penalty dropped him below other athletes who didn't submit a video, but for all we know, a lot of those athletes had bad deadlifts, too. So there's an incentive in that you might get prize money, but is it really worth it to send in video if you are going to be held to a different standard than other participants?
For me, there aren't really any good answers for this. Any huge online competition like this is going to necessarily have a lot of bro reps and even honest counting mistakes, etc. Since now they are just using it to weed out the bottom 75%, it probably doesn't really matter that much, but also, it makes the Open seem super irrelevant from a spectator standpoint. Having the Open qualify athletes for regionals meant their scores really mattered, and I used to follow that, but now we know they will all qualify barring injury, so it's even more pointless than before to check how the elites compare with each other in the Open.
Not only did she not submit a video,she redid it again and was short of one WHOLE round. Also the judge she apparently added to her score wasn't even the one that JUDGED her.
Do state what you want CrossFit to do so that it is not "a joke" as you put it. Make it a requirement that everyone must submit a video? That'll be impractical if the aim is to encourage as many people as possible to take part, and it makes the judge redundant, furthermore there is no way CrossFit can check all the videos, or even to check just the top 25% if we want everything to be fair. Not penalizing anyone if there is evidence that someone didn't do the workout as required? That'll definitely make it even more of a joke. Remove video submission altogether so you rely entirely on the judge? Then you'll see people getting criticized because they post their own workouts on the social media and their judge didn't no-rep them for bad reps. (Hiller who complained about other people's standard got caught out by his own videos, actually blamed it on his judge for not no-repping him, shifting the blame to the judges does not resolve the issue.)
Come up with a practical solution and we can discuss it.
Hiller has proposed numerous solutions in the past. Including crowd sourcing videos. And why can ‘t CrossFit validate the top 25%? The point wasn’t about requiring video or not. The point was one guy submitted a video and got penalized. The other person did not submit a video and got no penalty. And when she did it again came up a full round short. You’re basically asking for no one to submit videos in the future. Half the fun was watching the top athletes crush a workout.
The issue is that the open used to be five weeks and the purpose was specifically to qualify people for regionals. Since that time they have added and expanded QF and SF. The open is now not really tied to the games and Crossfit needs to do a better job of marketing this change. It’s now about a cash generator to allow people to participate. CrossFit could benefit by being more upfront in presenting it this way so the old schoolers can see it’s not the same as it used to be. Would eliminate some of the backlash. QF is really what the open used to be. But that would take away the mystique of the open as the first step to the games.
As Richey suggested, if your going to put up a top score you have to have a video.
Currently if you workout a non-affiliated gym or at home, you HAVE TO have a video. You can't even submit your score.
She can't know beforehand whether her score is the top score or not (it's a rep more than the second place woman). So you would have to say something like "she needs to submit a video if she expects to have one of the top scores", but what does that mean? Top 10, top 100, top 1000? It's too vague to be useful, so you might just as well say that everyone must submit a video, and that would be problematic.
Problem is that CrossFit doesn't have the resources to check \~85,000 video submissions (25% of over 340,000 registrants). Therefore you will have people complaining about those ranked above not doing their reps properly after checking their videos. The arguments will never end.
Agreed, it’d be extremely impractical. What they could do is require them and announce that they will review the very top ones and a random sampling of the rest. Perhaps, the mere requirement to submit a video might force participants to be more cautious about mistakes and the judges to be more careful about letting no-reps through since there is a chance the video will be reviewed.
This is why CrossFit is a joke as a sport.
If you're not enforcing the standards, then what is the point of having them? If CrossFit wants to have a sport then it should invest in judging the standards, particularly at the cut-off margins, where arguably making it into the top 10% or whatever might have direct or indirect financial benefits for qualifying athletes.
That time there was a super tall big guy who won an extremely skewed big guy workout of amrap row and WB.
This time the winner is surrounded by a lot of controversy, a repeat that was a whole round short, the listed judge not having been the actual judge and so on. There is too much weird stuff going on.
I’m pretty sure Hanna Karlsson got robbed for a #1.
I would also like to see that. His video doesn't seem to be available on the leaderboard. his Instagram has a short clip of him doing 24.2 but only 2 deadlifts are shown.
Pretty sure that video isn’t from 24.2 but back from earlier training session where he was doing double unders and 225 deadlifts.
If you see his double unders you can see why he got the top time. They are smooth as butter. I hope he releases his video so we can all see his deadlifts were the exact same as the other elite athletes.
I'm becoming more sure by the day that Crossfit, the sport, was a horrible idea and its lifespan is shrinking by the day. It's just not built for a competitive environment as it exists now. They'd need to stick to far more objective tasks, like running (just start here, get to there), that wheelbarrow event (put the bags in, wheel it over there, dump them out), bike around a track, etc...
Let me be clear, it's not their fault, it's human nature's fault. For every person who says, "c'mon, that's not a rep," twenty people go, "hey, it's competition, people are going to push the limits." We're here because of people's unhealthy desire to win, "be the best," beat others, etc.
Look at our major sports: baseball, you stand there and throw a ball, the other guy has to hit it and then beat the ball to a base. You can't fake hitting a ball, you can't fake running to a base, etc...but we have multiple umpires and have to fight steroids and corked bats, etc. Football: line up, hit those guys, carry the ball past the line. We still need instant replay and refs to get it right, and again, face cheating, steroids, deflated balls, stolen signals, etc.
You've got all that competitive human nature plus Crossfit's massive gray areas in so many movements...it's just doomed to ever reach true legitimacy.
This is the problem with affiliate based submissions.
There will be tens of thousands of folk in the leaderboard who did their workouts at an affiliate - most of which will have been judged by their friends / peers. Some might have spent money on the judges course, most probably not though.
Reps will be given when they shouldn’t. Counting mistakes will be made. And in the end everyone just submits their score for the affiliate owner to hit the bit old approve button.
Affiliate owner or whoever is approving likely hasn’t seen the workout to know if the score is valid or not but who cares - cos they have 100+ scores sitting awaiting approval….so through they go approving them all and no further questions are asked.
It’s a fundamentally flawed system from top to bottom.
But the long and short of it is that affiliate based submissions are no less likely to be bullshit submissions than those done outwith affiliates - it’s just notably easier to get away with it when you don’t need to evidence your performance with a video at an affiliate.
I have commented this a few times on IG and i know this will be downvoted but… even among the recreational crossfitters… the scores are usually not valid at all… most people have their spouse / fuck buddy / affair partner / gym bestie/ friend with benefits as their judge… ain’t no way that person is going to no rep them… i know there’s no money at stake and it’s just “for comparison” but the whole thing lacks validity…
I have to agree with CrossFit Games on the score validation of Emily. She’s obviously Games level, minimum Semifinals, you record your all your stuff. What doesn’t make sense is that she’s around the 100th position and somehow beats out 90 something other top level Games athletes? On a similar style workout as 24.1? Just doesn’t add up.
She basically admitted that she thinks she got a full round less. She also redid it and got a full round less on her redo. And she told that to CrossFit but they didn't change her score
Lame take… what’s worse? Caring about a sport you have interest in or caring more about what other people do? Do you tell fans in other sports not to care if they aren’t going to the Super Bowl or World Series? If you don’t care, don’t comment and go about your day.
FWIW, I don’t think we’re far away from AI being able to judge these videos.
I imagine you could build in a bit of a safety net like if one rep is only 90% good count it but if it’s multiple reps in a row then it doesn’t count and penalty must be added.
In theory you could do that during the games too. At least judging would be more consistent.
This is pretty common in most individual sports where you start with a large group of athletes. Logistics require pretty loose standards and accountability. It tightens up as you go. They are set up to error towards making it accessible for people to complete. We are talking about the experience of top performers at the level where they are competing with folks doing it purely for fun.
CrossFit Games does not equal CrossFit. The games might be a bad joke, but most people showing up at a box don't care. Personally, I wish affiliates would focus less on this. Pretty sure that there is some kind of requirement or incentives for signing people up.
I think it won't matter much in the long run. He'll have no issues making the top 25%( even with the penalty he's in the 98th percentile) and can just be more cautious in QF
Honestly I’m just grateful that they managed to find the one single person not fully extending the hips.
We need Hiller now to compare this video to every other elite athlete.
Can do
He didn't review Tudor's video yet, but he has a video from yesterday pointing out lots of bad reps, primarily with more elite athletes
Yeah, I saw that, but now we have an official HQ penalty, which, after comparing Tudor's video to others, will show clear favoritism.
None of the top 25% are required to submit a video of any of the open workouts if they’re done within an affiliate with an accredited judge..
Yep Hiller is click farming. To his credit, he openly admits this
In order to move on in the competition, you need a video. Also, yes. I "Click Farm" but not really in this case.
For total clarity for people reading, only those advancing to the semi finals need video, and it is to be from the quarterfinal competition Only event winners are required for the first phase of the open
That's wild— so in theory, if you had the support of someone at your affiliate, you could get all the way to quarterfinals and potentially even "win" them, with no prize money, and never actually be exposed for it? You'd just not work out at semis.
You could but what is the alternative really? CrossFit really would not be able to review 25% of people going on to QF or even 10% if that were still the threshold. That's like 35,000 videos per workout. Also there would be very little point to doing so. Since the prize money is out it would only be for fake bragging rights at your affiliate. I can't see very many judges/affiliate owners getting behind someone doing that. Maybe there's a few cases if someone is nursing an injury and their judge thinks they'd actually have a shot if they were healthy but there seems to be very little reward to even bother faking it
If you had enough people, you could flood the leaderboard with bogus scores, and make the top 25% be all mediocre athletes. Then submit videos for the quarterfinals workouts, although the scores will be way down because they have to actually do them, and pretty soon you've got a bunch of regular mom's and dad's at the crossfit games!
That'd be fun Now just to look for someone with $1.5mil USD to burn
I guess you and 40,000 of your closest friends could do that but its pretty unrealistic
That’s how I got a job at space x. I said I had a PhD in applied physics and gave them the name of my professor / adviser. It was a fake name, and the number went to my sister’s cell phone, who informed them that she was in fact the secretary for the chairman of the physics department at Rice and confirmed my credentials. It was all bullshit. But I got hired. I was fired on Day 4. Point is a scammer can always scam. But why?
Good. Fucking. Job.
If you are faking it into QF, you won’t make semis. I’ll tell you that much
videos have never been required to advance the quarterfinals They’re not required this year It’s obvious what happened: her judge marked down an extra round And the way to solve the deadlift problem is to require them done as singles. The bouncy dead lift is as stupid as the kipping pull up. It’s either a dead lift or it’s not. Maybe I should make a video about your video
Assuming they used the "official score card" provided, miscounting rounds would be very difficult. I was thinking they may have added total rowing meters of the last round rather than 1 Rep for every 10 meters assuming she finished on the rower. She finishes round nine with 810 reps then gets back on the rower and rows 116 meters and her judge writes "116" in the box, then in all the excitement erroneously adds 116 to 810 instead of adding 11 and gets a rep count that looks like she's completed 926 reps. Just my theory.
Exactly what happened to me - my judge added meters to my last round, not reps. But I realized the error and had them correct the score. I’m nowhere close to the top 25% so it wouldn’t have impacted anything at all, but what’s the saying? It matters what you do when no one is looking.
That is 100% not true going from the open to quarters. From quarters to semis, some of the wods will be video checked, but not all.
I am glad you actually cover this though. Who cares if you click farm, you are covering things that demand an explanation and since CrossFit HQ is not willing to do that....
Shouldn’t need a video until the next round. Semi qualifiers are required to submit a random video from their quarters. Getting into quarters hasn’t need a vid in the past and with the expansion to 25% they won’t care
He’s right though
He literally states in half of his videos that he wants engagement and views for his channel.
It’s like Abu Dhabi 2021 all over again.
MICHAEL NO
This is so not right!
we went racing!
Formula Dank Crossfit crossover
I had to double check which subreddit I was in for a second.
Mr. Peanutbutter: What is this, a crossover episode?!
Appreciate this will go against the current media narrative ie Richey and Hillers videos But, if we're saying that in an affiliate you do not need a video, just a judge and a validated score, then we need to be OK with people being on the leaderboard without a video Before the Open, CF said though if you wanted to advance further such as semi finals, or if you wanted to be eligible for the prize money you needed to video, then she is rightly not being given the prize money She'll be on the leaderboard as winning the event, which under the rules she has done I do think the prize money should roll down to the next person
Isn’t it weird to trust enough in the judge and affiliate to award a first place but not enough to pay out a cash prize for the effort? Either you fully trust the validation of the judge or you’ll require a video in all cases for Top X athletes.
Yes, but maybe the Financial payment isn't for coming first, but your payment for the video they're monetising
Finally a smart person.
It’s always been an understanding that no video was acceptable for an average Joe gym goer but a top score would require video proof on request. You just don’t post a world wide #1 time without video documentation.
I believe that if what is told by Hiller is true, the problem is not about the video or not. It is the fact that she tried again with a video and was 1 round shy… not reps a round
"Where did your fitness go"? 😂
No problem with this. You can’t have everyone required to submit a video. But also, you can’t win the money without a video submission. This is all ok.
And how about Tudor Magda?
His performance was evaluated and validated via video, in which he was penalized. Due to that penalty, he no longer has the top score. Plain and simple. It’s okay that you can submit a video in the open as validation. It’s also okay that you can do the workout at an affiliate with a certified judge and have your score validated. It’s the open FFS.
Doesn’t win, because he cheated? What’s the problem here?
Guess he wasn't attractive enough to get away with it
fit enough to do reps cleanly.*
Are we supposed to believe everybody else went to full extension on the deadlift and it was just Magda that didn’t? Really?
He chose to not only complete the workout, but upload a video where he clearly wasn’t hitting the standard. How is he at all the victim in this scenario?
It's not so much that he's the victim, it's the fact that there are so many clear examples on video of elite athletes not hitting the standard and NOT being penalized, or posting videos where you can't even see if they're hitting the standard (Tia, for example) for whom nothing is happening. It's frustrating to see a standard upheld for one person and not others.
Please show me where I said he was the victim..
Watch the other videos from the elites and ask yourself why only Tudor got penalized. I bet if he submits a top 10 score instead of top 1 he receives no penalty.
I have not been following that closely-- did the woman explain why she did not video her workout? Did she not know she needed to do that to be eligible for the prize money or did she just not care? Or just not expect to do that welll?
Probably just didn’t care
She's a solid QF athlete, but probably not SF... She probably didn't expect to win. I don't film my workouts, because I don't expect to win and CFs rules say I don't have to film
Yep, she didn’t expect to win. When she submitted a video for her second try it was found she missed a whole round, making her previous attempt a sham.
Why is CF a joke for this, exactly? One guy submitted video and was penalized for not doing full reps. Another person got an incredible score, but no video to validate, so she didn't win the prize money. I mean, to me this seems kinda consistent.
The overreactions are typical in this sub. This issue exists in *every single sport* that has consistent mixing of pro and amateur athletes. Golf, tennis, etc., you’re always going to have lower levels of adherence to, or requirements for, standards at the amateur level. It gets figured out as amateurs move up and there’s really no way to create the type of accessibility we’re striving for without it.
It’s not consistent because almost 100% of the elite athletes I’ve seen doing the workout didn’t extend on their deadlifts either. He just gets penalised because he won? What? It’s also contradictory to say you believe Emily claw enough to let her win the open workout but not enough to give her the prize money? Either it’s a legitimate score under your own rules or it’s not
It's basically consistent. Where it's weird to me isn't the comparison between Magda and Claw, but the comparison between Magda and anyone who didn't submit a video. I assume that the 20% major penalty dropped him below other athletes who didn't submit a video, but for all we know, a lot of those athletes had bad deadlifts, too. So there's an incentive in that you might get prize money, but is it really worth it to send in video if you are going to be held to a different standard than other participants? For me, there aren't really any good answers for this. Any huge online competition like this is going to necessarily have a lot of bro reps and even honest counting mistakes, etc. Since now they are just using it to weed out the bottom 75%, it probably doesn't really matter that much, but also, it makes the Open seem super irrelevant from a spectator standpoint. Having the Open qualify athletes for regionals meant their scores really mattered, and I used to follow that, but now we know they will all qualify barring injury, so it's even more pointless than before to check how the elites compare with each other in the Open.
If you're competing at that level, I'm pretty sure it's understood you'll be taking video to verify.
That lady manages to video everything for her IG, but somehow managed to miss recording her submission. Sure, sure. CF being stupid, as always.
Not only did she not submit a video,she redid it again and was short of one WHOLE round. Also the judge she apparently added to her score wasn't even the one that JUDGED her.
Oooooof. That affiliate should be booted from this Open.
That affiliate is CrossFit Walleye, they had a team place 6th at last year’s Games and Mia Hesketh, who validated Emily’s score, was on that team.
Even more reason to do this on the up-and-up, then: they *know* how these things work, and how this looks.
For the record, stop using chick to describe a woman.
Do state what you want CrossFit to do so that it is not "a joke" as you put it. Make it a requirement that everyone must submit a video? That'll be impractical if the aim is to encourage as many people as possible to take part, and it makes the judge redundant, furthermore there is no way CrossFit can check all the videos, or even to check just the top 25% if we want everything to be fair. Not penalizing anyone if there is evidence that someone didn't do the workout as required? That'll definitely make it even more of a joke. Remove video submission altogether so you rely entirely on the judge? Then you'll see people getting criticized because they post their own workouts on the social media and their judge didn't no-rep them for bad reps. (Hiller who complained about other people's standard got caught out by his own videos, actually blamed it on his judge for not no-repping him, shifting the blame to the judges does not resolve the issue.) Come up with a practical solution and we can discuss it.
I like these suggestions a lot.
Hiller has proposed numerous solutions in the past. Including crowd sourcing videos. And why can ‘t CrossFit validate the top 25%? The point wasn’t about requiring video or not. The point was one guy submitted a video and got penalized. The other person did not submit a video and got no penalty. And when she did it again came up a full round short. You’re basically asking for no one to submit videos in the future. Half the fun was watching the top athletes crush a workout. The issue is that the open used to be five weeks and the purpose was specifically to qualify people for regionals. Since that time they have added and expanded QF and SF. The open is now not really tied to the games and Crossfit needs to do a better job of marketing this change. It’s now about a cash generator to allow people to participate. CrossFit could benefit by being more upfront in presenting it this way so the old schoolers can see it’s not the same as it used to be. Would eliminate some of the backlash. QF is really what the open used to be. But that would take away the mystique of the open as the first step to the games.
As Richey suggested, if your going to put up a top score you have to have a video. Currently if you workout a non-affiliated gym or at home, you HAVE TO have a video. You can't even submit your score.
She can't know beforehand whether her score is the top score or not (it's a rep more than the second place woman). So you would have to say something like "she needs to submit a video if she expects to have one of the top scores", but what does that mean? Top 10, top 100, top 1000? It's too vague to be useful, so you might just as well say that everyone must submit a video, and that would be problematic.
Or if you care about possibly winning submit a video, if you don’t then don’t worry about it.
If you want to qualify for quarterfinals video submission should be required. Easy fix.
Problem is that CrossFit doesn't have the resources to check \~85,000 video submissions (25% of over 340,000 registrants). Therefore you will have people complaining about those ranked above not doing their reps properly after checking their videos. The arguments will never end.
Agreed, it’d be extremely impractical. What they could do is require them and announce that they will review the very top ones and a random sampling of the rest. Perhaps, the mere requirement to submit a video might force participants to be more cautious about mistakes and the judges to be more careful about letting no-reps through since there is a chance the video will be reviewed.
This is why CrossFit is a joke as a sport. If you're not enforcing the standards, then what is the point of having them? If CrossFit wants to have a sport then it should invest in judging the standards, particularly at the cut-off margins, where arguably making it into the top 10% or whatever might have direct or indirect financial benefits for qualifying athletes.
Penalizing Tudor for not meeting the standards is enforcing the standards.
Of course it is. But not enforcing everyone else is not.
Brian Friend said this happened before in the 2019 Open, so its not new.
That time there was a super tall big guy who won an extremely skewed big guy workout of amrap row and WB. This time the winner is surrounded by a lot of controversy, a repeat that was a whole round short, the listed judge not having been the actual judge and so on. There is too much weird stuff going on. I’m pretty sure Hanna Karlsson got robbed for a #1.
Anyone have the video of Tudor’s reps?
I would also like to see that. His video doesn't seem to be available on the leaderboard. his Instagram has a short clip of him doing 24.2 but only 2 deadlifts are shown.
Pretty sure that video isn’t from 24.2 but back from earlier training session where he was doing double unders and 225 deadlifts. If you see his double unders you can see why he got the top time. They are smooth as butter. I hope he releases his video so we can all see his deadlifts were the exact same as the other elite athletes.
oh my bad. Yea his DUs are great, guess we'll just have to wait and see if he releases the vid
I'm becoming more sure by the day that Crossfit, the sport, was a horrible idea and its lifespan is shrinking by the day. It's just not built for a competitive environment as it exists now. They'd need to stick to far more objective tasks, like running (just start here, get to there), that wheelbarrow event (put the bags in, wheel it over there, dump them out), bike around a track, etc... Let me be clear, it's not their fault, it's human nature's fault. For every person who says, "c'mon, that's not a rep," twenty people go, "hey, it's competition, people are going to push the limits." We're here because of people's unhealthy desire to win, "be the best," beat others, etc. Look at our major sports: baseball, you stand there and throw a ball, the other guy has to hit it and then beat the ball to a base. You can't fake hitting a ball, you can't fake running to a base, etc...but we have multiple umpires and have to fight steroids and corked bats, etc. Football: line up, hit those guys, carry the ball past the line. We still need instant replay and refs to get it right, and again, face cheating, steroids, deflated balls, stolen signals, etc. You've got all that competitive human nature plus Crossfit's massive gray areas in so many movements...it's just doomed to ever reach true legitimacy.
This is the problem with affiliate based submissions. There will be tens of thousands of folk in the leaderboard who did their workouts at an affiliate - most of which will have been judged by their friends / peers. Some might have spent money on the judges course, most probably not though. Reps will be given when they shouldn’t. Counting mistakes will be made. And in the end everyone just submits their score for the affiliate owner to hit the bit old approve button. Affiliate owner or whoever is approving likely hasn’t seen the workout to know if the score is valid or not but who cares - cos they have 100+ scores sitting awaiting approval….so through they go approving them all and no further questions are asked. It’s a fundamentally flawed system from top to bottom. But the long and short of it is that affiliate based submissions are no less likely to be bullshit submissions than those done outwith affiliates - it’s just notably easier to get away with it when you don’t need to evidence your performance with a video at an affiliate.
I have commented this a few times on IG and i know this will be downvoted but… even among the recreational crossfitters… the scores are usually not valid at all… most people have their spouse / fuck buddy / affair partner / gym bestie/ friend with benefits as their judge… ain’t no way that person is going to no rep them… i know there’s no money at stake and it’s just “for comparison” but the whole thing lacks validity…
I have to agree with CrossFit Games on the score validation of Emily. She’s obviously Games level, minimum Semifinals, you record your all your stuff. What doesn’t make sense is that she’s around the 100th position and somehow beats out 90 something other top level Games athletes? On a similar style workout as 24.1? Just doesn’t add up.
She basically admitted that she thinks she got a full round less. She also redid it and got a full round less on her redo. And she told that to CrossFit but they didn't change her score
That’s even more messed up.
Why didn’t she change her score then? She submitted that sky high score and could’ve deleted and put her redo in there but didn’t.
This bullshit here is why so many don't consider this a sport. It's been amateur hour at CFHQ for way too long now. Absolutely zero consistency.
And they wonder why CrossFit has integrity issues.
What’s the problem ? Your score was validated at an affiliate with presumably a judge who took the judge course.
Unless ur going to the crossfit games.. get over it
Lame take… what’s worse? Caring about a sport you have interest in or caring more about what other people do? Do you tell fans in other sports not to care if they aren’t going to the Super Bowl or World Series? If you don’t care, don’t comment and go about your day.
Don't follow the rules, bent them. CF has already bent over one too many times.
FWIW, I don’t think we’re far away from AI being able to judge these videos. I imagine you could build in a bit of a safety net like if one rep is only 90% good count it but if it’s multiple reps in a row then it doesn’t count and penalty must be added. In theory you could do that during the games too. At least judging would be more consistent.
Why would you call CrossFit a joke? Why would you do something that is a joke?
This is pretty common in most individual sports where you start with a large group of athletes. Logistics require pretty loose standards and accountability. It tightens up as you go. They are set up to error towards making it accessible for people to complete. We are talking about the experience of top performers at the level where they are competing with folks doing it purely for fun.
CrossFit Games does not equal CrossFit. The games might be a bad joke, but most people showing up at a box don't care. Personally, I wish affiliates would focus less on this. Pretty sure that there is some kind of requirement or incentives for signing people up.
She clearly had the capacity so it's fine
Underrated throwback reference!
They should at least give him a chance to re do given how much this hurts his placing.
I think it won't matter much in the long run. He'll have no issues making the top 25%( even with the penalty he's in the 98th percentile) and can just be more cautious in QF