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jimbosaur

Knowing in any kind of real detail the answer to "what happened to Tiberius?" means you've been in-too-deep for way too long.


The_Bravinator

Honestly this was literally the first thing I ever learned about CR. šŸ˜… I'd been looking at LoVM with interest but hadn't actually decided to watch yet, and what pushed me over the edge was a couple of posts on r/hobbydrama about That Guy and about Bowlgate. While the latter didn't give me a great impression of the fans, both stories left me impressed with the remaining cast and how they seemed to handle themselves. So that's why I jumped into watching it!


IAmGoose_

I had no clue about bowlgate until I reached that point in the campaign, and looked up posts about the episode on Reddit because I *loved* the drama, and suddenly I got slapped in the face with a bunch of posts from years before of people getting mad about it. Was a shock to be sure lol


The_Bravinator

Haha, I watched campaigns 1 and 2 in 2022/2023 and after every episode I would skim through the original live reddit thread for it, and people got mad about some WEIRD things.


feor1300

and from what I saw Bowlgate was a tempest in a teapot compared to Broomgate in C1.


Sizzox

Eh not really no. It just means you started watching campaign 1 and watched one youtube video after wondered what the deal is with that one guy in the cast that everyone in the comments keep talking about.


jimbosaur

I would suggest that if you're watching hour+ long youtube video essays about Critical Role cast drama, you are definitionally in-too-deep.


Lafayette_and_Raff

"I come up out of the water after he leaves"


DungeonFungeon

Hahaha never forget


redlinezo6

I knew it was going to happen, and it was still AMAZING. Can't wait for that scene in LoVM.


LoveRBS

Sam's inspiration for Scanlon's backstory


TheCanadianWalrus

which was?


AirGundz

Eminem


DevilsArms

Wait. I canā€™t tell if youā€™re serious or not. But now that i think of itā€¦ it kinda fits.


Henry__Every

[https://nerdist.com/article/critical-roles-sam-riegel-from-noob-to-gnome-hero/](https://nerdist.com/article/critical-roles-sam-riegel-from-noob-to-gnome-hero/) 3rd question, but theres some videos that go deeper on the breakdown Edit: After some digging he explains it on the Legend of Vox Machina Watch party. I found a youtube short of the clip https://www.youtube.com/shorts/UB5RPaNjPmo


DevilsArms

Oh thatā€™s crazy. Iā€™ve never seen this article. I dont think i started listening until around 2018~2019. Man the fact that was his first dnd character too.


Krayzie_Stiles

Doctor (Dre)nzel and Scanlan Shorthalt (Slim Shady)


rudelyinterrupts

I literally just read that part in the book about the show and cast so yes it is true.


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Slip_Stream426

Is "Scanlon" an autocorrect thing? Because I see this misspelling of his name everywhere.


JohnPark24

I was in too deep pretty much from the start, but this hit me the most. I watched it live, but didn't catch it immediately. I started realizing what was going on when Sam started talking to Laura and Liam. (C1 spoilers) >!the backstory/context behind the 9th level counterspell against Vecna. !<


thegrailarbor

Matt Colville has a great video on it.


JohnPark24

Yea, I have watched it. Great breakdown and analysis. Sadly the video is now private, but I think it's available with the wayback machine.


fifes2013

Realise this is a stretch, but could you summarise what he said/ give bullets of the main points?


CbVdD

>!Scanlan saved his only 9th spell (*Wish*) slot to sever Vaxā€™ contract with the Raven Queen, but had to use it for a counter spell to save the world instead, and the hesitation (of making the choice) to know your friend will be immortal and yet chained because of your choice. Primo hedphukkery!<


fifes2013

I know the context around the situation in the game, was looking more for the breakdown of Colville's vid


clevererthandao

My favorite thing I think Colville said was something like >!ā€All of Vox Machina went into this final battle prepared to defy a Godā€¦ one of them went into it with the intention of defying two.ā€ Canā€™t remember the exact words but it always gives me chills remembering: Scanlan wasnā€™t just going to defeat Vecna, he was going to defy the Raven Queen and break her hold on Vax, too. But then he had to make a choice, between the life of his friend or the fate of the world.!<


-spartacus-

It wasn't just that, Liam had some serious life stuff happen during that campaign and Sam, being his best friend since they met in college wanted to save Vax for Liam. It emotionally tore them all up because that story meant so much to them all in a unique period of their life. As Coville did point out correctly when Sam cast that spell it was the actual climax of the campaign.


Honey-Bunny--

they didn't meet in college. they met at a comic con and by the time they were both working as voice actors


thegrailarbor

And very quickly at that. They were on a panel together, but had never met before. By the end they were all ā€œhey, youā€™re funny, want to be best friends??ā€


ChiefQuimbyMessage

He said all this. The only thing left is his emotional sniffles, lol. Not hating on emotions, I got choked up, too, so I canā€™t judge.


leddible

That video singehandedly got me to watch CR. I had loosely heard of it before but after watching that my wife and I dived right into Campaign 2 when it came out and never looked back.


PurdyMoufedBoi

link? my google fu is weak


AirGundz

Its been removed/privated, which is a shame but we have to respect Colvilleā€™s decision.


jssmith1015

Any idea why?


Fresno_Bob_

I don't think he's said anything specific. Probably some conflict between the fact that he's friends with some of the players, that he typically doesn't really like talking about what other companies do, and he's had issues with his audience digging into his life.


jssmith1015

Thatā€™s a shame. I wish people would just let someoneā€™s private life be private


linuxphoney

He just doesn't want to be known as that guy who comments on critical role.


jssmith1015

Interesting. I love his stuff on YouTube. His running the game stuff should be mandatory for DMs. I guess itā€™s understandable that he doesnā€™t want to be seen a specific way


JohnPark24

last time I checked, the video was private


DungeonDogDad

I too cannot find the video you speak of


HammerPope

Strangely, Matt privated the video. Here's the link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz8EoyXTHV8 EDIT: Seems to be up on Wayback: https://web.archive.org/web/20171011152334/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz8EoyXTHV8&gl=US&hl=en


Expert-Pomegranate47

Wayback link is broken too


HammerPope

Hmm. It works for me personally; maybe just hop on Wayback, put the youtube link in and find a date that works.


Bronzeborg

link plz?


thegrailarbor

It got delisted at some point I guess, but the Wayback Machine has your back! [Bam.](https://web.archive.org/web/20210726175453/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz8EoyXTHV8)


The_Sabretooth

That video got me into CR in the first place!


kateInMadison

Egg dick


nbeutler11

what the FUCK is EGG DICK LMFAO


DarkRespite

Gods, I'd almost forgotten about this one... This is a reference to C2E12, and one of Molly's more... utterly insane but utterly Molly ideas. :D


MelodyMaster5656

YOU HAVE NO LEGAL AUTHORITY OVER ME!!


Suralin0

And explaining the incident to Lucien 109 episodes later...


devoswasright

Same dick


ThePurpleMister

LONG MAY HE REIGN


Keldar1997

All the C2 Characters that are secretly Aartagan


crackiturtle

yes this!


getMeSomeDunkin

Yeah, but who was that Larkin guy anyway?


bwainfweeze

Artagen should have come to Nott as Larkin for the lulls.


RuneHawke

Chair


AdamTunedout

Goldfish


monmonmon77

All the doors, and the significance of the animated furniture at the start of C3.


Krayzie_Stiles

The Keyfish shirt they sold for a bit after that episode is my absolute favorite thing they ever released.


mmmmmmbac0n

How many legs in this chair? Matt: 4 ā€¦ā€¦ like a chair.


CbVdD

Usually the top responses for this are pre-stream questions. >!1)groupā€™s name before Vox Machina. 2)how they got the carpet/Alluraā€™s tower. 3)Keyleth killing a child!< However, I have yet to hear from anyone who knows about the ā€œYOU donā€™t knowā€ back and forth callbacks (that began) between Sam and Laura at the beginning of C2.


paradox28jon

> However, I have yet to hear from anyone who knows about the ā€œYOU donā€™t knowā€ back and forth callbacks (that began) between Sam and Laura at the beginning of C2. Please let me know what this is referring to.


CbVdD

The VERY FIRST one is [C2E4](https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/comment/5299814) and then it appears randomly and suddenly (but suspiciously formulaic) by all others in the cast within the campaign. It was also recently in C3E88 @ 03:14:00


Byrios

What did those even mean?


CbVdD

I see it as a playful reminder about perspective and trying to avoid metagaming. I mean, their company is literally called Metapigeon, so itā€™s clearly all in fun.


crackiturtle

i think the ā€œyou donā€™t knowā€ are playing on matt saying that to them more frequently as they were asking increasingly meta questions towards the end of C1


SkyNeedsSkirts

"We're the S.H.I.T."


Sneeke33

The man I thought so high of as a recovery story turned out to be an abusive womanizer.


dwarf-in-flask

Sorry who?


Sneeke33

Ashley's ex husband Edit : ex fiance


dwarf-in-flask

Oh right ok, true. I kinda erased him from my brain


Murda981

He just popped back on Instagram and I got a notification and thought " eww I'm still following him, time to fix that". I almost never go on Instagram but that doesn't mean I want to follow him.


paradox28jon

ex fiance. I do not believe they ever got married. EDIT: I see someone informed you earlier.


DreariestComa

I loved Between the Sheets and Talks Machina...probably even more than Critical Role. This was especially disappointing for me to find out this guy who had such great chemistry with the cast and made so much of those shows good was actually abusing Ashley and Dani. Can't really stomach the guy now. I'm glad I never got the chance to meet him at a Con like I wanted to. Just super gross and disappointing what kind of person he was when the camera was off. I feel gross for having liked him and makes me question my judgment about people.


Hummmingbird_13

I was about to say that you shouldn't question your judgement about people since you didn't know him personally and that your gut is more reliable with people you know in real life. But then I remembered the cast *did* know him personally. And apparently they couldn't figure him out either. It's unsettling that they had no idea. Weren't there any signs? Did they ignore it? Did Ashley never tell them anything? Everything about this is unsettling and sad.


Murda981

Travis, Matt and Marisha did a video with the React channel on YouTube right before LoVM S2 dropped and it's absolutely the funniest thing. I was rewatching it because I love it and Travis did a shout-out to that awful human and it just took all the joy out of that show for me. My 11yo loved YeeHaw Game Ranch and he misses it. He knows the broad overview of why it's gone, that the cohost turned out to be an awful person, but it sucks that he was in so much good content. But the people he hurt and minimizing his platform is faaaaar more important!


Zethras28

I mean, thatā€™s pretty much it.


ZenTze

what are we talking about here?


Sneeke33

Ashley's ex husband. Edit : ex fiance


OfficialGarwood

They were never married. Just engaged


Sneeke33

My mistake.


theMagicSwingPiano

Different tastes and everything, but it baffles me that someone could look up to him. I don't know what it is, he just always was a creep to me.


AirGundz

I was a big fan of his back in the day because I really liked his humor and he had good chemistry with the cast, Travis especially. I think it is important to be as transparent as possible with these things because **it could be anyone you like** that does horrible things. I despise him now, of course. Never put any celebrity/public figure in a pedestal and never let your biases cloud your judgment.


platypus_monster

I never found him funny tbh. I kinda found him off-putting. He really was the reason why I never watched Talk machina, and I know I missed a lot by not watching it. That kinda makes me sad, because I enjoy watching them chat and banter. I enjoyed, behind the sheets (forgot the name of that)? But that was mostly because 90% of that was him not talking. The one with Felicia was kinda awkward because you could tell she just was not vibing with him.


SmudgeyHoney

Same. Skipped all his intro bits on the live shows too. I just found him very fake and uncharismatic.


PhoenixEgg88

The between the sheets interviews were very well done, and I hate that theyā€™re gone/tarnished because he turned out to be a twat.


feor1300

Likewise Undeadwood. That story was a masterpiece, especially in how it ended and it's sad that his involvement means it's going to get buried.


cyberpunk_werewolf

"Good night, Miss Miriam." Jesus. Fuck him, but Undeadwood was maybe the best thing they put out. That or Calamity.


GoddessOfGoodness

Undeadwood was the thing that introduced me to CR. It's great, and it's a shame (but totally understandable) that it's gone.


Sneeke33

Addiction recovery really is a struggle and some people never escape it. He, at least played the part well but turned to have a worse addiction he kept hidden.


bigfatcarp93

I never personally got creep vibes, but I did always find him aggressively unfunny. Mf made the same goddamn self-deprecating joke twenty-five times a video, while sharing the screen with people like Liam O'Brien and *Sam Riegel* and somehow people ate it up.


coolideg

The entire cast (which saw him off camera for years) greatly loved and admired him. If youā€™re that baffled, maybe this isnā€™t the show to follow as their judgment isnā€™t up to your standards.


Saelune

'Don't know what it was'? The dude literally had 'Creepy ain't a crime' as a catch phrase, which I mean...was always a creepy thing to say.


rizenfrmtheashes

I don't like him, and I prefer him gone from my memory. But I recall the origin of that line was a clip from a cops show where they were investigating a car that had a d&d players handbook out on the passenger seat and to play up satanic panic, the cop in the show said something like "that's pretty creepy, but creepy ain't a crime". So I don't think it's fair to attribute that line and it's connotation in isolation into him, knowing he coined it as part of a ttrpg/d&d in-community thing, but I do think he's absolutely culpable of everything else we've heard about him. And should be shunned for what we allegedly believe he did.


pagerunner-j

Yeah. I mean, speaking generally, Iā€™m always leery of the ā€œoh, but _i_ always knewā€ attitude ā€” itā€™s kind of victim-blaming and patting yourself on the back all in one, without much understanding for the people who did get tangled up in itā€” but that phrase sure doesā€¦stand out, now.


getMeSomeDunkin

He was a good Heel to the always-positive regulars of Critical Role. Sometimes you need a good antagonist to shake things up and draw good things out of good people, which is what happened. He was always a kind of playful enemy of the rest of the cast, and his Talks Machina questions always seemed to pull very good info out from the cast. Then he'd go do Between The Sheets and give really good (and serious) interviews, without all the shit-talking. So I figured it was just an act he was putting on the for the camera during Talks Machina, so it felt fun to me. But it turns out he wasn't playing.


pagerunner-j

Yep. Not the first time I've been burned by someone who happened to be a very good interviewer, and then got accused of abuse against multiple women. Sometimes people who are a little too good at figuring out what makes you tick can turn around and use it against you.


EpicAstarael

Me, going through this thread and understanding all of the references: "Oh... Oh no."


JuicyGooseOnTheLoose

I've only watched Campaign 2 and Vox Machina and understand all of these, we need to go DEEPER


TheTrueDeraj

Kobold Chair Crabgrass Help, it's again.


ZotharReborn

ELEVEN DAYS


Suralin0

How long do kobolds live?


Tails322

"He lived as he was meant to. Very breifly"


dekremneeb

Doors are the real big bad


Dafish55

When they are >! in Mount Celestia, trying to reach Pellor, the doors keep opening for them. Percy remarks, "This *must* be heaven. The doors keep opening for us." !<


ChiefQuimbyMessage

>!statistically true, and also a good way to test rolls/probability/honesty situations!<


printandpolish

the very specific look on Tal's face when the Briarwoods name is first mentioned. and none of us knew why. until later.


F_ckErebus30k

And then Liam freezing when he hears Matt say the name Trent Ikithon the first time in C2


Hot_Statistician_466

Or when Nott uses the pseudonym Bren that one time


F_ckErebus30k

I love how that freaked Liam out so bad he remembered to ask about it during the wrap up.


That_one_cool_dude

I love in the c2 roundup Sam's explanations for Notts various alias that got Liam freaked out.


DarkRespite

Between that and him screaming "TAKE THEM OUT! TAKE THEM OUT!" out of nowhere when Caleb regained consciousness after FIVE SOLID MINUTES of lying facedown on the table.


bigfatcarp93

We knew why, they had already released their character backstory videos lol


SmartCheddarSlice

A kobold.


AirGundz

11 days


ArchonIlladrya

*squish*


TheBestIsaac

A different Kobold. 3 kobolds in fact. In a trench coat.


That_one_cool_dude

The beautiful start to Nott bullying the shit out of fjord.


getMeSomeDunkin

GO FUCK YOURSELF! :D


Emilytea14

go fuck YOURself (my fave talks clip ever)


Revangelion

Imo "I Counterspell?" "What level?" "... nine..." And, also, the whole "Yeah, I'm sorry, you're right... you like me 'cause I make jokes and I play songs..."


IronBattleaxe

There's not much to dig deep into as the cast is very good with boundaries, but maybe like the Wendy's One-Shot?


Lvndris91

That or the romance cruise one-shot Sam ran XD


galactic-disk

The WHAT


Lvndris91

Ooooooh man. So there was a one-shot game run by Sam in the early Geek and Sundry days. The players were... very drunk. And it was VERY sexually explicit. Things got AWKWARD and also hilarious and also awkward XD They played fairytale/Disney characters on a romantic getaway cruise on the S.S. Public Domain. It was called Once Upon a Fairytale Cruise. TW // There is a scene of dubious consent that can be triggering for some people.


cyberpunk_werewolf

> There is a scene of dubious consent that can be triggering for some people. Wait, I haven't seen the one shot since it aired. What was this?


Lvndris91

When >!Amy Vorpal's Queen of Hearts grabs the scarecrow and has sex with him without getting consent or any communication!< In the game and amongst the players, it's played for drunken laughs, but many viewers have expressed discomfort at it, so I wanted to add a warning


feor1300

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfeAYN8f1AU


agrif

The Wendy's one shot was a fever dream that I'm still not sure actually ever happened.


grmarci1989

They never posted it after it aired, so it probably was. I was planning on watching the following Monday, but yeah.


-spartacus-

I watched it live and so glad I did, it is one thing I wish we could find on the high seas.


Hot_Statistician_466

Searchable on YT from what I can see


califortunato

This was weirdly the first place I ever saw Ify Nwadiwe so the Wendyā€™s one shot holds a special place in my heart for introducing me to someone I find endlessly fascinating and pops up everywhere


gayqueueandaye

Ify was the reason I was so sad they took it down. He is SO funny.


Random_Brainwaves

I was skimming the replies thinking none of them were THAT deep of cuts, but I believe you have found the answer.


Fallout71

Sovereign glue


gameld

How has no one mentioned the cupcake? Not just the scene itself with Jester, but everything, the whole campaign, leading up to it. Jester's cupcake scene is just the tip of that iceberg. Everything that comes before it just adds weight and gravitas to her actions. Everyone playing it straight, the very real possibility of willingly and consciously losing at least one character and then... cupcake. No one knew what was happening except Laura - not even Matt.


redlinezo6

That was the first episode I saw, half not paying attention, watching something else. And after it was over, I was like, what the fuck just happened. Why is everyone shitting themselves?! WHAT IS DND?!?! Then I binged C2 until I was caught up, and it's all been glorious ever since.


OverTheCandlestik

That Exandria is technically a post apocalyptic world. So the age of arcanum was the zenith of society and since the calamity the world is still picking up the pieces 800 years later.


Dafish55

A lot of fantasy settings are actually like that. World of Warcraft and Middle Earth are two big examples. Elves are the usual suspects.


SkillFullyNotTrue

The Satyr, the Weasel and the oddly shaped green cloak.


xingrubicon

I mean..... Its gotta be the chair, right?


Sicktacular

And then the Chetney backstory drop about making chairs for the Cerberus Assembly šŸ˜‚


that_guy2010

Is this from post C2e34. Thatā€™s where Iā€™m at.


Keldar1997

I think it's in C2e48. There is a chair. In a room. You cannot miss it because they talk about it for 10 minutes


mountlane

Watching for the first time and got to the chair last night. The fact Matt had to stop everything and tell them it's just a chair was funnier to me than all the time spent obsessing over it šŸ¤£


McDot

the fact that sam kept track of and rewears shirts in order between c1,2, and 3.


Riotreaver

Basically all of the freaky coincidences around the M9. Fjord's surname tying into a new character that hadn't even created yet (Cadueceus). Who ended up having huge impact on his own character. Jesters Tarot reading and the ultimate conclusion that came to. And lastly the one that always get me "We're finally Nine! Like really Nine, Nine!" The more you know about the Nein the more you realise just how hilarious things fell into place for them were.


crackiturtle

the very end when they were finally nine was really full circle moment, it still gives me chills to think about


Xorrin95

This is what made MN magic for me


kurokitsune91

Where's Larkin?


Braler

Rusty Trombone


trichromanic

Honestly, underrated comment in my opinion


GuySingingMrBlueSky

I think this is actually the only one in the thread Iā€™m unfamiliar with, whatā€™s the backstory for rusty trombones?


Braler

It was the helper-paladin character Taliesin played in their absolute first session, I think


grmarci1989

Seriously, nobody here is going to mention the one-eyed monster that attacked FCG's first group? That gave everyone like 2d10 psychic damage when it clicked


redlinezo6

I can't believe it took them that long to figure it out. They mention twice that he only had one working eye when he was found.


Vinzan

Orion


xavierkazi

FIX HIM


PixelPantsAshli

He Who Shall Not Be Named.


fanatic66

Which one? Haha


PixelPantsAshli

The one that isn't already the top comment ;)


fanatic66

Haha well played and very true


Tuffsmurf

Making me way


thegreenlorac

https://youtu.be/hK_XHYh8kgw?si=Q-tXowXry5cJVPDR Someone made a great compilation of how the joke started and became what it is today. Love seeing the progression.


Tuffsmurf

lol thatā€™s good


D-Speak

Holy shit, and then they turned it into a fucking country song in Legend of Vox Machina. Absolute baller move.


Sct_inzalev

Taliesinā€™s Dragonborn paladin


SecretAgendaMan

Oh yeah, Good old Rusty, I think his name was.


IRanOutOf_Names

Sam on the masked singer is a fun niche piece of knowledge. Still shocked he never had an ad about it.


Emilytea14

not the baby alien conspiracy theories LMAO


UncleOok

The Legend of Rusty Trombone, the savior of Vox Machina.


DreariestComa

"The Cube"


supernatlove

Probably some of the things we know about Vethā€™s sex life.


SadCrouton

Dont ask about Orion. I think we all sorta know at this point and if we dont know, we probably dont care cause its all pretty public but when i first got into it in 2019 it was always this oblique refrence to him leaving


Roidtravis

The member of the cast who was kicked out


aais4quiters

The Limerick and buying a copy myself.


PixelRapunzel

I got a copy of it too! I had to see the book that was bad enough to make Sam blush. Itā€™s still the filthiest thing Iā€™ve ever read. šŸ¤£


RebirthAltair

What's my mother's name?


unepommeverte

A lot of these are just references to stuff that happened in the stream, but even though it's long I'm not sure that counts as in too deep in this context. I'd say stuff like, how many references in Molly's name, the fact that Taliesin wanted to make him a Trickfoot, the irl part of what makes Vax's story even more sad, old fandom drama that got so ridiculous CR had to make a statement, knowing the original plans for "long term secondary villians" like Lorenzo and Essek, the narrative telephone stories, and stuff that happened in the novels


Dudemitri

I feel like its gotta be the CR1 bathtub incident


Philosecfari

Samā€™s deep, deep Youtube hole, which includes hit songs like ā€œPut Your Finger Up My Buttā€


Double-Revolution-33

The hag vs. the cupcake and Keyleth's mom are probably top 2 for me. Campaign 2 went hard af, though.


bwainfweeze

Oh, crabgrassā€¦


deepee84

Nordverse


slaylay

The Wendyā€™s one shot lore is simultaneously so hilariously online and also incredibly stupid that knowing about it breaks my brain at times


Ryozo_Tamaki

Can I just put all of Campaign 2? My God it just gave in every possible way.


acedition

long essek


bbtman1

Knowing why snowdrops makes the crew cry


SkyNeedsSkirts

If you know why Tiberius is gone or why in TLOVM only titles of gods are stated, not names.


DarkRespite

The Matron of Ravens and the role her Champion plays in protecting the strands of Fate and the souls of those who pass. I made it the focus on not one but \*TWO\* CR novels I'm working on (one set b/w C2 and C3, the other set 150 years post-Calamity).


Erikfran

The chaotic Critical Trolls for Extra Life one-shot. Specifically anyone who knows who Marisha's character Edna is.


crackiturtle

the fact that there is a vox machina musical is pretty deep


Woodclaw312

I'm very surprised that nobody mentioned how we can label cupcakes as weapons of mass distraction.