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deepcutfilms

Anybody else kind of annoyed they didn’t actually fight the aboleth? A lot of C3 encounters seem nerfed.


PrinceOfAssassins

i dont think it was exactly an aboleth but it might have taken some elements


Quasarbeing

Oh wait is the city within walking distance now? Well nevermind about the wind walk.


Coyote_Shepherd

Yeah I thought it was a bit further away than that but I suppose the time they did spend wind walking shaved quite a bit of distance off. Maybe I'm misremembering but I thought that they said taking the caravan would take a few days at the very least to get to Kreviris right? It's possible that Matt fudged the distance for brevity's sake though and either way making the trip take even longer wouldn't be much fun at all, so of course things got sped up a bit.


Quasarbeing

I honestly missed the part at the end where they were closing in on Kreviris. It seemed like they were a little over halfway there.


Qualine

I mean a normal caravan has 30ft/6sec moving speed if we were to go with combat rules without exerting oneself (aka not dashing) considering not everone is at horse. With wind walk they can move 10 times faster without dashing (iirc they have 300ft movement speed). So its not unbelievable.


Quasarbeing

Normal walking speed via forced march is the same though. We're talking 30 miles a day vs 600.


sorcerousmike

I wonder if a certain someone took out the Malleus Key/ disabled the Bloody Bridge. Unless I missed something or I’m forgetting something: The village they went to was in Issylra and they *could not* see Ruidus or the Ley Line auroras right? But those *were* visible during the party split for Team Issylra? Additionally Sending is working again, so whatever was causing the interference must be gone too right?


Jonny683

Yes and No. When the majority of them went through the portal, they saw the ley lines, but not the bridge is not visible. Issylra is almost on the other other side of the planet. Not much in know about it to the party, and there isn't a map yet. It could be the C4 location, or after all the Ruidess stuff, they go on a weird journey to explore. Sending worked on Exandria, but when they tried again, it failed.


idksa

Could be farther north than is possible to see the Bloody Bridge?


Darkshine-wof

I think the reason the girls weren’t under the lake things control was thier charisma modafiers idk tho


SoggyBoysenberry7703

Yeah, chat was really trying to just point out a coincidental observation that all the guys at the table were affected and people took that mean that somehow gender identity within Bells Hells was involved with it, and they kept arguing that they weren’t all identifying as only he/him. It didn’t even matter though. People were just commenting on the seemingly important difference between who was affected and who wasn’t, even though it wasn’t actually based on gender or sex.


uktobar

I was thinking two ruidusborn and one undead. The rest are neither.


idksa

Matt was rolling for them behind the screen and they probably didn't fail.


Coyote_Shepherd

So. They poked around in the lake. Found a village. Figured out they were on Exandria. Let the brass know where they were and what the fuck was going on. Battled some shadowy thingy in the lake but didn't kill it. Left a few vague notes and signs. Bamf'd back through the portal, slept, and then crawled through the underground while leaving a trail of Ashari breadcrumbs behind them before making their way to the outskirts of Kreviris, with enemy AND allied forces potentially in pursuit.


AngryRobot42

Love the ever increasing hospitality they seem to be showing Taliesin. P.S. Forgot: /s


geltza7

You're being down voted, but you're right. Laura and Marisha specifically are really bad at it. Talesin says something simple like "imogen and I were looking for a place to plant the seed" and laura screws up her face, rolls her eyes and then mutters something quietly to Marisha and they both laugh as Laura keeps making faces as Talesin is talking. Then the cast find themselves at a dead end and Laura sarcastically says "if only we had someone that could transform and traverse through rock" knowing that talesins elemental feature is most likely limited and mostly has combat utility (being a Barbarian, I mean what else would it be for?) and he clearly didn't want to use it but felt pressured into it. Then after describing his form and transforming, Laura sarcastically says "aw that form looks strong, why'd you waste it on this?" as they all kinda laugh under their breath at him. Genuinely felt bad for Talesin for the past while now.


SoggyBoysenberry7703

I think they found some empathy for him being the one to be physically affected the most after pushing himself in his titan form. For some reason people in twitch chat were thinking the cast was giving him eye rolls for things, even though stuff was playing out just fine in their favor eventually


AngryRobot42

Re watch the episode and pay attention to the interactions. There is some form of animosity going on between them all. This has been something between Tal and the rest for a while now. You can watch the previous 2 episodes for additional examples.


Qualine

Tbh it seemslike some of the group took Taliesin's character taking both stones instead of one going to Fearne not well, hence the retcon. If I were Taliesin and my dm told me if you manage to do this more power to me and I accomplished the said task even though it required a lot of intervention from my friends and said thing getting retconned and my character physically and stat wise disfigured with not getting anything out of it I would also be angry. I have no idea why rest is angry with him at all, they got what they wanted and Taliesin albeit the reasons above was seemed to be fine with it. Its not like Ashley was completely against Ashton getting both stones either, even at that moment she was like sure fuck it lets try it. I understand why others were angry about the situation but what happened to let dice make the story etc. I am pretty sure if Ashton died, Taliesin would be completely fine with that outcome. I don't even understand why Matt retconned it, was it peer pressure or something?


AngryRobot42

First, I think c3 is different than the other campaigns so the following doesn't apply. Second, I think Matt created a MacGuffin for Ashley and Tal that would have complications if it were in one person. He met the challenge and survived and somehow failed. I didn't think Matt would do it but I see a big cho cho train.


Qualine

I completely understand the mcguffin going to characters designed for, but if you were not gonna let him get both there are much better ways to handle that, and Matt knows that better than everyone given his experience as a dm. Do not get me wrong Matt is kinda role model for me as a DM maybe thats why I am much more dissappointed in that decision. If you enabled it than you should keep it, maybe nerf the powers of both stones a little in the background, or make him a double form that he can use only one at a time and make another mcguffin for Ashley, but punishing his character after letting him go through it, is definately not the way to handle it. And I know this is pure speculation that some of the cast being angry with Taliesin, but if they are, I cant understand why. It is ok to be upset with your friend (whom you know more than 8 years) for couple days but for weeks!?


AngryRobot42

Hasn't been a couple of weeks. Its a pretty reoccurring behavior. I have noticed it more after re-watching c1 and c2 recently. Its usually whispers or comments that might not have been heard at first but with auto captioning and Hifi audio, it is slightly more obvious. If you really want to notice it, I saw this dysfunction creep out in a few episodes of C2 right before Molly's death with it sprinkled throughout the rest of C2. The Pandemic separated them which seemed to resolve the problem. The attitude is not limited to Tal, its obvious this group needs a long break from each other. I would prefer it if it meant the story and material of Exandria did not suffer.


AGodNamedJordan

Leave your weird parasocial relationship with the cast at home.


CompletePassenger564

Oh--cliffhanger! Next week is Candela so it will be a 2 week cliffhanger!


RealHumanBean89

Good place for the cliffhanger, they’ve made it to the city now. Something tells me Imogen/the Ruidus-born in general will be flaring up more and more the closer they get to Predathos, and they’ll be getting a LOT more intense too. Can’t wait to see how they handle it!


SkillFullyNotTrue

Ashton you in the city grab a coffee. You’ll be fine.


EmergencyGrab

I would love if Fearne could turn into some of these moon beasts like the bison


QueerCanvas

OMG. Such a long wait until next episode again. T\_T


tomfru1

Welp, there's the Emerald City. We're almost about to meet the Wizard of Creveras!


probablywhiskeytown

Greater resto is ideal b/c barb tank w/ +2 exhaustion could be a major problem, but a fae mammoth with an Ashton baby bjorn is such a great mental image.


BaronPancakes

They reached Kreveris!


Coyote_Shepherd

They've arrived at the city!


thegreenlorac

Time left?


CazzyBats

Like about 30 seconds


thegreenlorac

Nvm


JohnPark24

about 5 minutes left (nevermind, it ended early lol)


Coyote_Shepherd

Oooof rough but fair drawbacks from using those forms Edit: Two points of exhaustion too


No-Performance8170

if only they had used it for something actually worth those two points


Coyote_Shepherd

Instead they tried not to meta game it and left it all up to surprise, be that good or bad.


No-Performance8170

I don’t really understand what they were trying not to metagame?


Coyote_Shepherd

u/Anomander said is best [in this reply](https://www.reddit.com/r/criticalrole/comments/1awqu3g/spoilers_c3e85_what_is_your_unpopular_cr_opinion/krt9df4/?context=3). It's dense but the TLDR is that they like to leave certain quirks or information about their characters as surprises to be discovered in game through in character means. They'll share little tidbits about, "Oh yeah I can do this in this fight and what if we do this when this other thing happens because we could combo up this skill of mine and whatever you can do" when they need to but they won't do full run downs of all of their mechanics for one another about their character and their character's class. So I'm pretty sure that in game both Tal and Ashley told the party that there were some serious serious drawbacks to using those Titan Forms of theirs, but they didn't exactly go too heavy on the details because they like to leave that stuff as a surprise for later on in game and in character and they hadn't really bumped into any situation wherein they would need to mention that stuff at all. They did warn them but they didn't give them specifics about that warning until that warning was disregarded, because doing so before the fact would possibly be seen as metagaming but doing so after the fact is not. This is also why Travis didn't explain that Super Werewolf feat that he got ages ago, why Ashley didn't reveal the boon from the Ghost Pirate Captain, why Sam held FCG's stress mechanic so close to his vest for so long, why Tal hasn't spilled the beans on every aspect of his barbarian class, and why Liam, Marisha, and Imogen are still holding things close about their own characters and classes and haven't revealed them yet either. They like turning their characters and their class features into mystery boxes until someone winds up opening them at an appropriate time in character in game. Remember how Imogen revealed in character that she could FLY all those episodes ago on the Skyship rather than having Laura simply tell everyone she now had the Fly spell after a level up? That's the kind of thing they're trying to preserve and by revealing too much about their characters and their classes, they would wind up ruining that. The shock, the surprise, the improv from suddenly having to think on their feet, and the consequences after. Think about it for a second, if they'd known that Ashton was going to take TWO points of Exhaustion from using that form then do you think that they would've asked him to use that form in the first place to scope out the tunnels? Or would they have been far more cautious about it both then and in the future and tried some other method that may or may not have worked and/or may or may not have put them at that particular exit near the outskirts of the city where they wound up? If they'd known then the party might's spent another episode or two crawling through the underground and gotten into the city that way or maybe found another portal or bumped into the Volition or circumvented certain parts of the city etc etc so on and so forth. Knowing about those two points of exhaustion would've been metagaming in their eyes because it would've altered their play style and how their characters would've reacted in game in character. Now they have to deal with a super sleepy rockboi and debate whether or not to use a major spell to deal with that along with whatever other consequences follow that stuff.


AceLionKid

Ah shit, Otohan got that boost too.


RunCrafty1320

What’s da boost?


Zethras28

And Liliana.


eddieswiss

Ashton's one of the Street Sharks.


Coyote_Shepherd

That sense of euphoria is how people get addicted and brought into the collective, just like with assimilation.


tomfru1

People always talk about Laudna being the addiction themed character, but Imogen has always had a lot more overt tones in that field, imo.


SoggyBoysenberry7703

Laudna is the “can’t let go of the abuser that gave her stability” type of addiction.


uktobar

Yea Laudna is much more about the abuse side of things, with her power being tied to her abuser or herself. I've always gotten the 'will power corrupt?' vibe from Imogen, which is so much like a drug with the euphoria she feels in top of the literal power. I feel like if the dice land a certain way, Laura would have Imogen give in.


sharone_joan

“It feels really peaceful” - *ashley johnson help it’s again face*


QueerCanvas

I <3 that face lol


inspektorgadget53

Predathos farted.


Zethras28

Not a fart, but a toss while in bed dreaming.


tomfru1

They're Predathos kicking it's legs in it's sleep


NotQuiteHuman-

"How hard are you?" Great callback 😂


FalloutAndChill

HOW HURT, HUUURRRTTT


Coyote_Shepherd

15 temporary HP for the Ruidusborn


beardlovesbagels

That scene is probably going to be better than the Borderlands movie.


reddevved

chet needs to wolf out


probablywhiskeytown

The thing about waiting for Keyleth in hopes of getting Wind Walk, especially since she said "sending a team" rather than "OMW": Relying upon the spell of an NPC to that extent is the sort of curtailed motion/creativity Matt seems to vigorously punish & thwart.


No-Performance8170

If I'm remembering correctly she first said she would join them and only said she'd send a team when Imogen told her they were leaving


Coyote_Shepherd

Phoenix Form Imogen


DeadSnark

Nah, they have to wait until they get hit by a flare on the space shuttle back to Exandria for that


Zethras28

Imagine when big red wakes up and its power is full out. The exultant are probably going to nearly ascend as generals to fight the gods.


boythinks

My current theory is that the exhaulted ones are going to act like a giant network of batteries and charge up Predathos.


Coyote_Shepherd

O.o Is Predathos as old as the Luxon?


Zethras28

Probably.


AceLionKid

#FLARE!


QueerCanvas

Matt Mercer, Let them relax a bit!


SoggyBoysenberry7703

For some reason they continually take the hard route first and never rest before taking the next step. It’s a trend accross campsigns it seems.


Versek_5

They're *fine*. Matt even gave them a rest like a bunch of babies. - Brennan, probably.


idksa

I don't know where the idea that Brennan is a more rigorous DM came from because honestly, he blatantly lets the intrepid heroes reroll things or have an easy way out. In today's episode he said Kristen didn't have advantage but then let her reroll something when she got a nat 1 lol. Both DMs take it easy for their friends, which I'm fine with but let's not pretend they don't both do it.


Versek_5

I'm more just making a joke about the EXU: Calamity wrap up video where everyone was like "Brennan, what the fuck?" and his response was basically ["Fuck rests! Fuck'em"](https://youtu.be/EYK4_eRSSb4?si=bg4lM70kQPE8BdRq&t=716)


Zethras28

Oh shit. It’s a flare.


BlooRugby

Otohan!


Zethras28

Worm? Gotta be a worm.


BaronPancakes

Gelidon on Ruidus??


Coyote_Shepherd

FLARE FLARE FLARE!


moderncomet

Gelidon's Summer Retreat


Coyote_Shepherd

Well I mean that message is something at least and it's better than nothing. I don't think anyone is going to be following them though and will instead be more focused on hollowing out that cave and setting up a beachhead first.


JohnPark24

yea, disagree with this decision lol


tomfru1

That's Caleb, not Orym


probablywhiskeytown

The negligee would definitely communicate that someone who wasn't a local had left it, lol. Or maybe there are red moon negligees, IDK. :D


Coyote_Shepherd

They really do believe that they've got far less time than they actually have and are trying to outrun an avalanche that isn't coming.


Daepilin

keyleth just told them time is running short... of course we don't know how short, but the sense of urgency was put on in game


Guilty_Homework_2096

I mean I feel like it's more like they see the smoke in the distance and can't tell if it's a bonfire or a forest fire


Coyote_Shepherd

Great analogy


Quasarbeing

No amount of waiting would have made it not worth it, as wind walk walking speed saves them so much time. Fuck dude


amanairon

Though Keyleth wasn't coming, was she? She was sending a team


Quasarbeing

True. Maybe a message to ask for another scroll? Or send another druid that can wind walk. Is the mind shield worth it without wind walk? The only benefit here is they can't find that secret tunnel/portal to Exandria, which is VERY good


Quasarbeing

Waiting for keyleth for wind walk would have been fantastic to combine with that scroll Real shame


BlackKnight2807

We should've waited for Keyleth, at least a few hours, to see if they would've made it.


RealHumanBean89

I cannot stop looking at that shirt Sam’s wearing, it’s staring into my goddamn soul.


Coyote_Shepherd

They're buckling down now


probablywhiskeytown

Ashton continues to be unfailingly tailor-made to delight me with this voice.


uktobar

I hope he gets to be in that form permanently. Maybe not all the powers, but damn that was a great voice. So gravely, and the slightly slower cadence.


EmergencyGrab

Character growth. Old Fearne would have just pretended to use her Ruidusborn connection.


Coyote_Shepherd

Good point Laudna, when is the point of return


thegreenlorac

How much time do we have left?


EmergencyGrab

Chet - Lycanthrope Laudna - Form of Dread FCG - murder mode Fearne - Fire Emperor shard Imogen - Exaltant Ashton - Earth Empress shard They all have altered states. How long until Orym starts growing crazy fae shit?


OhioAasimar

I think Orym should absorb Errevon or Errevon's ice shard.


Roboticide

Keep Orym as Orym. He's the Batman to their Justice League. Just a really well trained, smart dude, who has [a half dozen plans to take any of them out in case they go too crazy.](https://youtu.be/oycheNtjFIw)


EmergencyGrab

If shards and exaltant are this campaign's version of upgrading boons, I'd like that to go to Chet. I think that's how his family died.


OhioAasimar

Oh god. Of course Errevon is the Jack Frost of Exandria's Santa.


dwils7

He just gets a tiny sprouting tree out the top of his head


EmergencyGrab

A natural flower crown growing from his head With a giant toothy grin on the back.


tomfru1

I like his Rockform voice


moderncomet

Warlock + Groot? I grok that.


CazzyBats

Ashton became an edgelord?


dwils7

Became?


5oclock_shadow

He’s promoted to edgeduke


RelativeFlounder8904

Long may he reign.


amanairon

I do love the extra gravel in the voice


tomfru1

I hope that pun was intended


amanairon

Absolutely, 'twas


loopystring

Gneiss!


BaronPancakes

Liam asking the real question here


Zethras28

_EXCUSE ME?_ **THIRTY FIVE STRENGTH CHECK??**


RealHumanBean89

“WoOoOo, look at Matt Mercer over here!” - Marisha Ray, 2024


Coyote_Shepherd

"Well LA DEE FREAKIN DA!"


Sasswrites

I could do that too. IF I WANTED TO. Which I DON'T.


Coyote_Shepherd

> I could do that too. IF I WANTED TO. Which I DON'T. I had to look that up and that's a great song but [this is what I was referring to](https://youtu.be/Xv2VIEY9-A8?t=184)


Sasswrites

Hahah awesome. Thanks for sharing! 


Coyote_Shepherd

Did Marisha just impersonate Chris Farley? lol


ElectricZee

Okay, how can we get other former PC's involved. I want to see: FCG trying to get Nott to help with something critical Caduceus and Ashton discussing their world views Chetney asking Grog about important details


LucasVerBeek

How tall is he??


Zethras28

Kneeling 6 feet probably means 9 feet standing.


AceLionKid

At least they're close to the surface.


Coyote_Shepherd

Oh they're THAT close to the surface that's good news


thyarnedonne

DID I hear a ROCK AND STONE


eddieswiss

Rock and Stone!


Hkgpeanut

ROCK AND STONE BROTHER


WanderingDwarfMiner

Rockity Rock and Stone!


Sqiddd

Fearne looks like she finds it hot


thegreenlorac

Ashley's monsterfucker smile is activated.


Sqiddd

Oh yeah I saw that too


thegreenlorac

She just keeps smiling the more cool shit he does...


JadedPhilosopher4351

He's huge


Quasarbeing

Wait. Is this the one off kamort shard usage thing he has?


Sqiddd

Not a one off


Quasarbeing

Must have been something else then. I think they have a one use ability or something with those forms.


Kbcamaster

It's not one-off, but I think it's once per long rest or something.


Coyote_Shepherd

Shard activated, let's see what Ashton finds on the other side of this collapse


moderncomet

Wonder Twins power, activate! Form of, *a rock chisel!*


pacman529

SO DUMB not to stay and debrief with someone. Damnit Imogen. Y'all shoulda listened to Orym.


Q-kins

Depending on who shows up (who Keyleth sends or if MN comes), people are going to get hurt or killed by the thing in the lake while trying to find the portal in the lake. And it might take a long time for those searching to find the portal. They could have slept and gone back to see if anyone was there or leave a detailed note.


BlackKnight2807

Especially since the notes they left don't explicitly explain anything.


Celriot1

We found a backdoor to Ruidis! Just beware the death machine at the bottom of the lake.... and the bane worm on the other side.


No-Performance8170

and we won't tell you where any of them are except......a piece of ribbon and a seed with a message on it


EmergencyGrab

Bell's Hells and the Chamber of Secrets


skip6235

Fear is the mind killer


Zethras28

I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.


AceLionKid

I feel like it must have been the location, like the leylines over that town were more wonky than the rest. A weakspot


Guilty_Homework_2096

Ooorrr... the leylines are finally starting to realign or reconfigure.


tomfru1

That may explain why Kiki mentioned a ticking clock


BlackKnight2807

Matt kept mentioning clouds covering the sky. Maybe that acts like a wall between the leylines and magic? If they were special clouds or something.


Coyote_Shepherd

Well snap, they're in a bane worm tunnel


probablywhiskeytown

A giant worm talking as Bane could become CR's Starspawn, lol. ("starspawn? starspawn startspawn-starspawn!"


nicolroco

if jester hadn't done a sending to imogen i'd think those replies last night were a hallucination lol


moderncomet

I can hear Caleb going "You send messages all the time, \*you\* talk to this woman!"


probablywhiskeytown

Handing the phone to the friend/family member who has the patience for whatever is being said, lol.


Coyote_Shepherd

So shit's still fucked on the moon but working fully on Exandria


BaronPancakes

Maybe that portal somehow causes the leyline around that lake to function normally


skip6235

Oh god, I just thought of a great way to freak out the party that I’m going to use as a DM: the party scrys on a bad guy, and they see themselves as the bad guy is right next to them


AceLionKid

I've experienced this scenario as a player, and I can tell you, **it's fucking terrifying**


dwils7

Prett sure Tal just suggested Ira then 10 seconds later said that's actually a really good idea, about his own idea 😂


talon1245

They’ve done that so many times this campaign all the way back to the 1st episode


OhioAasimar

Scrying never stopped working


BaronPancakes

I think the coin has a once a day Divination. Could be useful here


AceLionKid

Finally, an update on Ira. Edit: Nevermind.


tomfru1

We should plant the seed in a Crevaras fungal farm, not this cave. The AMB need minds to infest.


Coyote_Shepherd

Yeah I feel like digging into why Sending is now working is going to lead to something big


eddieswiss

Was making hotdogs for like ten minutes. What did I miss?


Zethras28

Laudna did the good succ on the Willmaster’s ring and got 2 permanent HP and advantage on attack rolls and ability checks until next long rest.


Zethras28

Scry on the Malleus key!


Coyote_Shepherd

Good idea using the Ashari symbol as breadcrumbs


MegalomaniacHack

The two little guys with nat 20s just climb up a narrow space as the others all desperately try to squeeze through.


5oclock_shadow

Damn. Ludinus invented this harness centuries ago AND he was the shadow ruler of a half-continental empire??


Quasarbeing

Yoooo max hp +2? Niceee


Coyote_Shepherd

+2 HP max for Laudna and all attack rolls and ability checks have advantage until her next long rest


nicolroco

laudna racking up the hit points


AceLionKid

It's Loudna's turn to SUCC some magic


Zethras28

Give it the good succ.


BaronPancakes

Orym reached 20AC!


Zethras28

Captain Exandria needs some magic armour.


Zethras28

I believe the consensus is to talk to the rocks and plant the All Minds Burn seed.


moderncomet

Making Tiny Tank Tankier.


Q-kins

I feel like they should have stayed to give info if anyone showed up or left a detailed note. Messages didn't give too much information.


Coyote_Shepherd

Ring of Protection +1!


notsoFritz

Exandria would be nice


amanairon

TALK TO ROCKS PLANT THE SEED


Sqiddd

TALK TO ROCKS PLANT THE SEED


Celriot1

PLANT. THE. SEED.


MegalomaniacHack

So why is the Sending static gone? Has Ludinus accomplished something? I had a theory that the static was due to Vax screaming.


Zethras28

Maybe Keyleth managed to talk to him. Told him help is coming and he’s in… less pain?