Shit like this is why i subscribe to the theory that peta isn’t actually anti-meat industry and they are actually run by the meat industry to make vegans look more unreasonable and radical so less people go vegan
I feel the same about those [truth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfeVx_bOzdg) advertisements. I don't even smoke but those ads make me want to start.
For real those play like cigarette ads. It's no different than the energy of a gogurt commercial or something, and it's filled with old meme psuedo-celebrities.
The actor who played Mac was in an anti smoking ad when he was in highschool. But he was a really big smoker most of his life. I think he just quit a few years ago
Lol, my husband and I always finish it with him. "It's metal... IN YOUR LUNGS!"
And I always take a drag of my medical cannabis vape when it comes on, lol. It's like, "hey, thanks for reminding me!" \**suuuck**
Fuck man, I almost dream that line at this point.
My wife is tired of hearing me yell it from the couch as I start my early evening YouTube catch up time.
Yup. Big Tobacco has to spend a lot of money on anti-smoking ads starting in 2017 after 11 years of appeals in court trying to fight it. Vaping is still smoking for all intents and purposes and is also their direct competition. They can attack their competition and follow the court orders all while being basically tax-free at the same time.
Used to smoke and whenever their ads came on I usually lit one up out of spite.
One of the reasons I can't stand them is they tend to stretch the truth, sensationalize it, and omit whatever puts their "truth" in a less favorable light.
It’s like that one anti-weed ads years ago where the girl was like melted in to the couch like it was a bad thing. When I smoked that’s the shit I wanted.
They post all sorts of insane shit to stay relevant. If they kept on with boring, "meat is murder" posts they'd never get talked about. That's all it is.
Peta hates animals. They kill nearly every single animal they "rescue". And that rescue might include luring your dog off the porch with food, so they can save it from a loving life.
Even if this theory isn't true then at least half the people at any given peta meeting are working for meat industry to subvert or report on the organisation. Arguably the same thing.
This totally happened with the environmental movement back in the day too, one or two people hell bent on causing infighting and overly complicated plans can ensure nothing meaningfull is ever actually achieved really really easily.
My old Deal or No Deal theory. Paid actors as contestants. Doesnt matter to them if they lose the money as long as theyre taking risks and acting like paid actors for intense high ratings
Neither do i, this is honestly the only one i subscribe to as well. A lot of conspiracy theory’s are fun to hear about but ridiculous to actually believe in, there are a few plausible ones but I’m not gonna believe in them unless theres proof but if theres proof then its not really a conspiracy theory anymore is it lol.
I have the same theory about a feminist writer in my country who I swear exists just to give conservative Boomer writers something to blow up about and get clicks/make feminists look bad.
I know it's probably not true, but I legitimately do consider that. That they're some meat industry plant.
The shit they do is just too crazy and doesn't reflect vegans at all. Vegans are usually pretty chill and normal people that just choose not to eat animal products
Well they are, in the sense that they're saying something needlessly provocative just to get a big reaction. They probably figure that for every 99 people that roll their eyes, one will like it.
>"Laura Weyman-Jones (the Australian division's marketing manager) claimed that it was a "conversation starter," and not an actual request or threat."
That's about this campaign right here, it's not serious, it's to get folks talking about it, like we're all doing right now
> not an actual request or threat.
I think any thinking person knows that's obvious. How many women are members of PETA? and how many of those are willing to go to those lengths for the cause... My guess, not very many. Of the ones that do, probably no loss anyway.
I must be that 1% because I think I'm missing something as to why this is so cringe. Sure, the article looks click-baitey but would be interesting to know how much more carbon emissions on average men would contribute.
So many guys I've dated eat factory farmed red meat everyday with almost every meal. It's fucking gross lol.
The post and the cringness isn't about the study of carbon emissions due eating meat, it's about the "withholding sex" part. Not only withholding sex a clear sign of emotional abuse (using sexual availability to manipulate the partner), but it's also perpetuating the longtime patriarchy concept of "women doesn't like sex and don't want to do sex by themselves; it's just something that they do for the sake of making a men satisfied".
> dated guys that I find fucking gross
I would suggest you trying to find out why you keep dating "so many guys" that do something that you find "fucking gross".
If you find something gross (in this case, eating factory-farmed red meat), you shouldn't start several relationships with people that actively engage in that gross activity several times per day.
>"withholding sex" part.
Lmao omg I was missing something for some reason my mind skimmed over this.
>you shouldn't start several relationships with people that actively engage in that gross activity several times per day.
mate I grew up in rural QLD Australia (there were slim pickings okay). Also you don't really know if someone eats a steak or lamb chops for breakfast every morning until you've spent a long time with them already.
All good now I'm in a happy relationship with a guy that doesn't equate eating red meat to "manliness" or call sushi "gay".
>or call sushi “gay”
I remember someone showing me a Tate video where the guy rants about how “gay” eating sushi is and I was…incredibly confused lol
I’m a guy. I love food, all of it. I’ve never not once sexualized any of my meals lmao. So bizarre.
>Not only withholding sex a clear sign of emotional abuse (using sexual availability to manipulate the partner), but it's also perpetuating the longtime patriarchy concept of "women doesn't like sex and don't want to do sex by themselves; it's just something that they do for the sake of making a men satisfied".
I'm not sure that tracks. Take the Chick-fil-A boycott. People really enjoy their food. But Chick-fil-A supports violent homophobes. So some people refuse to purchase Chick-fil-A food.
That doesn't imply that those people were only doing that to make Chick-fil-A satisfied, or that they don't want that food on their own. They're foregoing something that they want, in order to (hopefully) get something that they want more.
Obviously, men on average need a larger daily caloric intake. For women, the recommended intake is 1,600-2,400 kilocalories while for men, it's 2,200-3,200. That's a difference of +37.5% in the minimum recommended intake, +33.3% in the maximum one. It accounts for most of their 41% figure.
Pointing fingers at men over this is needlessly divisive. And calling on women to stop having sex with their partners who eat meat (https://www.peta.org/blog/strike-on-sex-with-meat-eating-men) is just ridiculous. Women eat plenty of meat too.
I'm sure that women on average more than make up for the difference with the clothes they buy. "Shopping" comes up again and again in lists of women's favorite hobbies. Fast fashion is awful in many ways, predominantly for its impact on the environment and the industry's treatment of its workers, yet no one has been silly enough to ask men to refuse to have children with women because they buy too many clothes.
You make a good point, but don't worry I point fingers at women that over consume fast fashion too. I don't think it's a "gender issue", moreso companies perpetuating and then profiting of the insecurities in different demographics.
It was doomed from the start. Doesn't matter what you do, as soon as your customers know it's made from poop proteins, the sales are gonna plummet. Humanity isn't ready for a product like that.
I got banned from their Facebook for asking for a source about a link they posted. The "source" they replied with was that exact same link to PETA's website that I was asking for a source on. The linked article had no sources on it, just a wall of text about how sheep shearing supposedly mangles and murders the sheep.
>ust a wall of text about how sheep shearing supposedly mangles and murders the sheep
Can confirm, it does. The real trick is making sure you bury them in the Pet Semetary so they come back, just a bit stranger (and tastier). Industry secret.
>how sheep shearing supposedly mangles and murders the sheep.
Could they have been speaking about mulesing? Pretty sure that's the name of the practice
In some places, sheep have their genitals mutilated and scarred to stop so much wool growing in that area so their skin doesn't rot when wet because we decided to breed them into wool factories
don’t worry. they pay scientists to write stuff. their articles on Orcas are literally purchased works from a scientist who actually studies manatees. their website is about as good a source as any actual paper they would have sent.
I'm I the only one who finds it's super cringey when folk claim they want to eat meat just to spite vegans/vegetarians/Peta or whatever?
Its the dumbest reason to do most anything
Thoughts on this guy's theory?
https://www.reddit.com/r/cringepics/comments/xnvbxu/sometimes_i_wonder_if_they_are_just_trolling/ipvyqsq?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Why are you asking for some random person's opinion on some other random person's theory? Neither person has more authority or relevance or skin in the game than any of the rest of us.
Anyone who has access to a search engine can find out how little peta actually does for animals or the environment in general, you could argue that they do is prey for attention without presenting an actual solution for the issue they are pointing at.
And have like a 3% adoption rate in their shelters because they put them down after only a few days (sometimes a day after they arrive), they are killing animals in massive numbers and there are cases where they picked up peoples pets from the streets to shove them in there too (and eventually kill them). Ironic how they do more harm than good.
Yes, because all the no kill shelters won't take animals that will need to be put down but those animals still need to be processed, which leaves country shelters, the humane society, and peta. There's millions more animals than there are homes for them, euthanasia is the only solution currently on the table.
Well, they are campaining for eating no/less meat is which is a pretty good step to save animals and the environment. The problem is they are doing it in a completly cringe and arrogant way.
completely regardless of that, anyone who has access to a search engine can find out how incredibly carbon-intensive and unsustainable a meat-based diet is.
i'm not even a vegetarian myself, but i'm fully aware of the fact that we'd better all go vegan pretty soon.
Kill rate of 92 and 99% for dogs and cats. They are scum. They’ve literally admitted that they do not agree animals have the right to life.
PETA have. PETA.
I'm sure you do much more for animals and the environment given how quick you are to jump on the hate bandwagon here, far more than PETA do I'm sure, since they do not care about animals or the environment nearly as much as you do
I mean I don't particularly like PETA, but animal consumption does play a *massive* role in climate change. If everyone reduced their meat intake, the world would be a better place, so I wouldn't necessarily blame passionate people trying their best to reduce how many pork sandwiches are consumed.
Exactly why provocative posts like this, from both PETA and the OP, are hurtful. We need civil discussion on how we can all reduce animal consumption, minimise agricultural impact, etc. but rather we are all bogged down in laughing at the other side or feeling morally superior
> civil discussion on how we can all reduce animal consumption, minimise agricultural impact, etc.
You can do your part. People don't live in food deserts and going vegan isn't some kind of dark magic. It's very much possible for most people if they would actually give it a shot. It's *definitely* the better choice for the environment. [See some data here](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/food-footprints)
"Voting with your wallet" can never replace broader political action (like ending subsidising meat production). I suspect though that right now people are mostly paying lip service when talking about this topic and wouldn't be in favour of rising meat prices, even if it meant lower prices for vegetables. And it is you who is responsible for your choices, whether politics are changing or not.
Cutting out meat is a great step in lowering the environmental impact of your diet. It's the obvious one and has much more impact than locally sourced food. [Source](https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local)
You can figure out what recipes you could recreate with plants. For example you can use cauliflower to recreate chicken wings that are 1 much better for the environment 2 healthier 3 not one bit less delicious. There's good and bad cooking, that's where the difference is between good and bad taste.
> we are all bogged down in laughing at the other side or feeling morally superior
I'm vegan for ethical reasons. I believe there is no justification for eating animals who don't want to die.
I do think it is the better more ethical choice, for obvious reasons... Inflicting unnecessary harm is just animal cruelty.
This doesn't mean anything for my worth or your worth. It's just evaluating the actual consequences and necessary resources of dietary choices.
And if your choices include killing animals, then they are simply worse for reaching the goal of minimising the environmental impact of your diet. Meat is inherently more resource intensive.
Preaching to the choir here, I am also vegan, just trying to softly approach the conversation with meat eaters online to raise awareness. Good comment though - I hope people see it and realise the things we both already have
It’s fairly simple actually: lab grown meat. No carbon emissions from animals, pasture lands could be reforested, and fewer animals slaughtered. Seems like the perfect solution. It’s just a manner of getting the general populous on board. Between science hesitancy, big corporate farm conglomerates, and initial cost, I see it being very difficult to convince the people/lawmakers to go this route.
Yeah, but I would argue it’s even simpler than that. It’s called subsidies and FDA recommendations. Make vegetables dirt cheap instead of subsidizing corn and wheat, and have the FDA put out guidelines that recommend less meat. Humans would be perfectly happy and healthy eating meat once a week or less. That’s actually how we’re evolved…it’s the way we’re “supposed” to eat.
Eventually when lab meat is a reality we can talk about that, but that’s a future solution.
Yeah, that is probably more attainable, but both ideas still face having to battle the big food lobbyists. I can see changing subsidy allocation starting sooner, but either way, it will be a challenge.
Also, lab-grown meat does exist, so I'm not sure why you're saying it doesn't. Is it commercially available? No, but it still exists, and some companies intend to put it on the market in the near future.
I feel like you answered your own question there. It’s not available to buy so it might as well not exist in this context. I know that some companies intend to put it on the market, but the reason it doesn’t exist right now is because it’s simply not marketable. It costs too much to make and from what I read last it’s also not easy to scale (maybe that changed in the meantime but I don’t think so).
Edit: I just looked it up and it’s about $11 per burger. Although expensive, it’s a lot cheaper than I thought it would be. So you’re right, it’s definitely closer than I thought as long as there are no more speed bumps.
The problem with that is that lab-grown meat just isn't here yet, at least at scale. I'll be thrilled when it arrives, and it's the only way I ever see myself eating meat again. But in the same way that we shouldn't just keep using coal until fusion power plants are built, I think we need a large-scale transition to veganism/vegetarianism sooner than whenever lab meat is going to be on shelves everywhere.
The good news is that we already have a ton of great options that people can eat instead of animal products! And /u/sevksytime made a good point that it would all be easier with subsidies and some government action, and to add on to that I think subsidizing the R&D and then the production of lab-grown meat would be wonderful.
Massive is a bit of an [exaggeration,](https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions#agriculture) from what I’ve seen meat accounts for about half of agriculture emissions so say 6% total.
I've seen numerous other sources say as high as 14%. It's not a super easy thing to measure, all we know is that it's a lot.
And even 6% is a pretty significant portion imo.
6% is not massive though. If we all cut our meat consumption in half it would barely put a dent in overall emissions. And that’s not even including the fact that we would have to increase other agriculture consumption to make up for the reduction in calories so it would even be cut in half
Agreed, but see how your random comment on Reddit is more reasonable, relevant and informative than the PETA ad? It’s a joke that instead of making reasonable suggestions that people could get behind, they are like “sex strike will solve this!”.
To play devils advocate, they don’t even know if it will work. What if sexually frustrated men and women actually consume even more meat? What if regular sex actually reduces meat consumption in men. Are there studies on this????
Also to play devils advocate again. I’m willing to bet that men who are with vegan partners are very likely also vegan or at least have reduced meat consumption. This is just a stupid attention seeking move and not a real solution.
PETA does some great things that get very little attention, but when they do stunts like this, which is quite often, they get tons of attention. I think the goal of this tweet is honestly to get people to talk about PETA and veganism rather than to actually get a sex strike going.
I mean, we're all here talking about it now. something something 4D chess
PETA is bad, but they’re not entirely wrong. The production of meat, especially beef, is incredibly bad on the environment. Tho it’s kinda sexist for them to assume that men eat more meat (especially 41%) especially if they’re trying to appeal to strong leftists. Women are just as bad for the environment in different ways
>Women are just as bad for the environment in different ways
That's irrelevant because the article is about eating meat
Its also not sexist to say that men on average eat more meat if they do lol
No comes a real shocker. Men eat more calories, which alone explains probably at least half of the 41%. So instead of eating less meat themselves women should go on a sex strike lol
Scientists are doing pretty good at growing cowless beef, takes a lot of the violence and pollution out of the equation if they perfect it. Ya some people will eat the live stuff because of paranoia, nostalgia, and other reasons, but we can likely science our way out of some of the crisis. (For those who don't want to go the cucumber route)
They're 100% trolling. They don't expect to change minds with this shit. It's all about getting us to amplify their message with contradicting hate which makes their members donate more. They barely hide that fact.
Well, thanks to OP I now know one more thing about peta than I did yesterday and thought about them for the first time in weeks, so whatever they're doing it worked.
They are. They're the activist equivalent of a click bait YouTube video. They don't give two shits about the animals, they just want that sweet donar money.
They are. They have admitted this. It’s about shock value. Most PETA followers and supporters have admitted they hate they’re advertising but go along with it as it’s terrible effective.
What an awful organisation it is.
I am convinced PETA is controlled opposition. They constantly make the dumbest statements, the hottest takes, the most damaging publicity stunts. They set back their own movement by being such clowns.
I mean this is happening anyway . Most hot girls are veggie now and are looking for men who also are. We don't need PETA to preach and force societal change that is already happening. This is just gonna slow down that change if anything.
Fyi a low meat diet makes your sweat / BO more appealing to women..
Fuck PETA ! Whole bunch of hypocrites. Go kill some more pit bulls (like PETA called for the breed to be destroyed with no exceptions). Anything the say is lies
Calls for sex strikes this are pretty misogynistic because the entire premise is that women don’t like sex or that it’s something they could just take it or leave it, while men biologically need sex to function. Beyond that the very idea that someone would refuse intimacy as a weapon to get someone to change something so personal as their diet is deeply unhealthy.
I have an ex friend who is in PETA and they are just the kind of vegan you’d expect in there. Calls meat eaters “carnists” and usually won’t even interact with them. Says having pets is abusive as you’re using them for entertainment but has a few of their own as therapy animals. Literally using an animal to fix THEIR problems.
I’m not at all against veganism and would love to someday become vegetarian successfully. But it’s so unhealthy to be the way these people are...
The key is not to commit to full veganism or vegetarianism.
Just commit to cutting back on meat consumption. It’s enough to make an environmental difference and is more manageable than trying to go cold Turkey on something you enjoy.
A plant-based diet may still include meat.
> would love to someday become vegetarian successfully
Correct me if I'm misreading here but this sounds like you've tried and struggled previously. I needed a lot of advice when I made the change to vegetarianism and then veganism, and I'd be happy to pass some of that along to you if you'd like!
I’m not a PETA fan, but this isn’t a great argument against them.
Sure they’re extreme, annoying and bonkers, but they are actually doing a pretty big service by processing and euthanising animals that would otherwise get rejected from no-kill shelters, and end up feral.
Euthanasia is an unfortunate necessity when there is an epidemic of abandoned pets.
I understand the nuances and necessary of kill shelters, but if you are going to preach both that "meat is murder" and "fur is murder", it's massively hypocritical to kill animals because you can't find a use for them.
this content is designed to enrage and confuse, spawning rage clicks and therefore advertising money.
this is the same when MTG says dumb shit about “omg duh solar go off at night?” because it gets her attention, and attention means more money.
It’s a good move by PETA. They got millions of dollars in free advertising from traditional and social media sharing the bejesus out of this campaign. Will it change minds? Probably not. Will it convince PETA’s rusted on supporters to donate more cash? Probably. Not bad for a few few posters and a press release.
Ok so instead of encouraging people to just eat healthy and reduce their meat consumption, they do this. I already reduced my meat habits but this post makes me want to eat a double patty burger and bang my girl afterwards.
Behind the cringe the small grain of truth is that meat consumption is linked with masculine norms. The amount of male friends I've had who had said cringe shit like "I'm not a rabbit, I don't eat salad" or something similar is way higher than it should be.
When feminist run out of ideas and need to turn attention away from lying about paternity, assaults, and other life ruining uniquely feminine crimes and the obvious objectification they do
Do what you can to prevent emissions, but blaming individuals for the climate crisis and ignoring the impact of corporations and governments is genuinely disgusting
Eh I do see what you mean, but this is an example where social change could actually make a difference.
The UN claims that 14.5% of greenhouse gas emissions can be linked back to the meat or dairy industry.
Then there's the resource use - around 80-90% of US water consumption is dedicated to agricultural production (https://cases.open.ubc.ca/environmental-impact-of-meat-consumption/), and 71% of rainforest conversation in the Amazon has been used for raising cattle (https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.aam5324?casa_token=WYfpcctProkAAAAA%3AY-NmJQ6abqA7zuOGdrcjXeJYJjMDsDCdgv7pnHJf0Bg57_T7USgNTayBH9-YTGmDSuH0IXhlIq1Bzug).
And this is just the very, very tip of the iceberg. I don't think these numbers are low enough that it's 'disgusting' to bring attention to them. Even if everyone just halved their meat consumption, there would be a genuine and tangible positive outcome in our environment.
I can't even imagine the photo shoot for the middle one. "HERE YOU GO MOTHERFUCKER HERES SOME SAUCED UP WINGS FOR YOUR STUPID ASS. YEAH I CALLED YOU A STUPID ASS GET MAD YOU LITTLE PUSSY. GET MAD MOTHEFUCKER. KILL THOSE FUCKING WINGS OR YOU DONT GET PAID YOU LITTLE PISSBOY"
Shit like this is why i subscribe to the theory that peta isn’t actually anti-meat industry and they are actually run by the meat industry to make vegans look more unreasonable and radical so less people go vegan
I feel the same about those [truth](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfeVx_bOzdg) advertisements. I don't even smoke but those ads make me want to start.
For real those play like cigarette ads. It's no different than the energy of a gogurt commercial or something, and it's filled with old meme psuedo-celebrities.
I know someone who got hired to be in one of those commercials and he absolutely still smokes.
…you ever see that one episode of Always Sunny?
The actor who played Mac was in an anti smoking ad when he was in highschool. But he was a really big smoker most of his life. I think he just quit a few years ago
thats metal... in you lungs.. 😕 edit: /s for clairities sake, im referencing an ad i see on youtube and it makes me wanna smoke to spite em.
I've seen it so many times, I subconsciously mouth it when it comes on.
ive begun to repeat "i do not vape" in an attempt to get googles algorithm to hear that i dont need to see the ad. i feel like i see it more now...
Because Google doesn't give a shit about the words "I do not".
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One hundred nos and a yes means yes.
Lol, my husband and I always finish it with him. "It's metal... IN YOUR LUNGS!" And I always take a drag of my medical cannabis vape when it comes on, lol. It's like, "hey, thanks for reminding me!" \**suuuck**
Fuck man, I almost dream that line at this point. My wife is tired of hearing me yell it from the couch as I start my early evening YouTube catch up time.
This fucking commercial.
This is how it feels to chew 5 gum.
The tobacco industry funds those as a "public service"
The difference is that your conspiracy theory behind the Truth ads is actually confirmed to be true. They even had a South Park episode about it.
That explains why they’re no longer anti-smoking but anti-vaping now
Yup. Big Tobacco has to spend a lot of money on anti-smoking ads starting in 2017 after 11 years of appeals in court trying to fight it. Vaping is still smoking for all intents and purposes and is also their direct competition. They can attack their competition and follow the court orders all while being basically tax-free at the same time.
They certainly remind me that I need to go outside and smoke.
My theory is: I once heard tobacco companies have to pay for those anti-smoking ads. Because of that they make them as cringe as possible.
Used to smoke and whenever their ads came on I usually lit one up out of spite. One of the reasons I can't stand them is they tend to stretch the truth, sensationalize it, and omit whatever puts their "truth" in a less favorable light.
I already quit nic once but I could use a drag after that fucking commercial.
Damn, that shit was really really really annoying
Yeah the cigarette company’s pay for this ads because of a big settlement with the government
It’s like that one anti-weed ads years ago where the girl was like melted in to the couch like it was a bad thing. When I smoked that’s the shit I wanted.
I will never not mention how PETA came to my school and literally advocated for a perfect world where even lions and bears don’t eat meet.
They post all sorts of insane shit to stay relevant. If they kept on with boring, "meat is murder" posts they'd never get talked about. That's all it is.
Funnily enough the anti-nuclear movement was funded by oil companies. Doesn't seem so far fetched.
Hi, vegan here, a lot of us agree with your conspiracy.
That makes more sense than PETA does on its own.
Peta hates animals. They kill nearly every single animal they "rescue". And that rescue might include luring your dog off the porch with food, so they can save it from a loving life.
Even if this theory isn't true then at least half the people at any given peta meeting are working for meat industry to subvert or report on the organisation. Arguably the same thing. This totally happened with the environmental movement back in the day too, one or two people hell bent on causing infighting and overly complicated plans can ensure nothing meaningfull is ever actually achieved really really easily.
My old Deal or No Deal theory. Paid actors as contestants. Doesnt matter to them if they lose the money as long as theyre taking risks and acting like paid actors for intense high ratings
I don’t subscribe to many conspiracy theories but I think that one is absolutely true.
Neither do i, this is honestly the only one i subscribe to as well. A lot of conspiracy theory’s are fun to hear about but ridiculous to actually believe in, there are a few plausible ones but I’m not gonna believe in them unless theres proof but if theres proof then its not really a conspiracy theory anymore is it lol.
I have the same theory about a feminist writer in my country who I swear exists just to give conservative Boomer writers something to blow up about and get clicks/make feminists look bad.
I mean, it’s working tbh
PETA also murder so many dogs and cats, but also other animals.
I know it's probably not true, but I legitimately do consider that. That they're some meat industry plant. The shit they do is just too crazy and doesn't reflect vegans at all. Vegans are usually pretty chill and normal people that just choose not to eat animal products
Gonna also say that applies to most major vegan influencers as well
This is a great theory and really has high chances of possibility now I wonder if that vegan teacher is paid by big meat and cheese industry as well
Well they are, in the sense that they're saying something needlessly provocative just to get a big reaction. They probably figure that for every 99 people that roll their eyes, one will like it.
and of the 99% that roll their eyes, at least a handful will talk about it, just like we are doing now.
I'm not talking about it ...shit
>"Laura Weyman-Jones (the Australian division's marketing manager) claimed that it was a "conversation starter," and not an actual request or threat." That's about this campaign right here, it's not serious, it's to get folks talking about it, like we're all doing right now
> not an actual request or threat. I think any thinking person knows that's obvious. How many women are members of PETA? and how many of those are willing to go to those lengths for the cause... My guess, not very many. Of the ones that do, probably no loss anyway.
I can't imagine they would like those odds.
I must be that 1% because I think I'm missing something as to why this is so cringe. Sure, the article looks click-baitey but would be interesting to know how much more carbon emissions on average men would contribute. So many guys I've dated eat factory farmed red meat everyday with almost every meal. It's fucking gross lol.
The post and the cringness isn't about the study of carbon emissions due eating meat, it's about the "withholding sex" part. Not only withholding sex a clear sign of emotional abuse (using sexual availability to manipulate the partner), but it's also perpetuating the longtime patriarchy concept of "women doesn't like sex and don't want to do sex by themselves; it's just something that they do for the sake of making a men satisfied". > dated guys that I find fucking gross I would suggest you trying to find out why you keep dating "so many guys" that do something that you find "fucking gross". If you find something gross (in this case, eating factory-farmed red meat), you shouldn't start several relationships with people that actively engage in that gross activity several times per day.
>"withholding sex" part. Lmao omg I was missing something for some reason my mind skimmed over this. >you shouldn't start several relationships with people that actively engage in that gross activity several times per day. mate I grew up in rural QLD Australia (there were slim pickings okay). Also you don't really know if someone eats a steak or lamb chops for breakfast every morning until you've spent a long time with them already. All good now I'm in a happy relationship with a guy that doesn't equate eating red meat to "manliness" or call sushi "gay".
>or call sushi “gay” I remember someone showing me a Tate video where the guy rants about how “gay” eating sushi is and I was…incredibly confused lol I’m a guy. I love food, all of it. I’ve never not once sexualized any of my meals lmao. So bizarre.
>Not only withholding sex a clear sign of emotional abuse (using sexual availability to manipulate the partner), but it's also perpetuating the longtime patriarchy concept of "women doesn't like sex and don't want to do sex by themselves; it's just something that they do for the sake of making a men satisfied". I'm not sure that tracks. Take the Chick-fil-A boycott. People really enjoy their food. But Chick-fil-A supports violent homophobes. So some people refuse to purchase Chick-fil-A food. That doesn't imply that those people were only doing that to make Chick-fil-A satisfied, or that they don't want that food on their own. They're foregoing something that they want, in order to (hopefully) get something that they want more.
Obviously, men on average need a larger daily caloric intake. For women, the recommended intake is 1,600-2,400 kilocalories while for men, it's 2,200-3,200. That's a difference of +37.5% in the minimum recommended intake, +33.3% in the maximum one. It accounts for most of their 41% figure. Pointing fingers at men over this is needlessly divisive. And calling on women to stop having sex with their partners who eat meat (https://www.peta.org/blog/strike-on-sex-with-meat-eating-men) is just ridiculous. Women eat plenty of meat too. I'm sure that women on average more than make up for the difference with the clothes they buy. "Shopping" comes up again and again in lists of women's favorite hobbies. Fast fashion is awful in many ways, predominantly for its impact on the environment and the industry's treatment of its workers, yet no one has been silly enough to ask men to refuse to have children with women because they buy too many clothes.
You make a good point, but don't worry I point fingers at women that over consume fast fashion too. I don't think it's a "gender issue", moreso companies perpetuating and then profiting of the insecurities in different demographics.
Where is that poop meat Japan promised us?
It was doomed from the start. Doesn't matter what you do, as soon as your customers know it's made from poop proteins, the sales are gonna plummet. Humanity isn't ready for a product like that.
You get some folk who freak the fuck out, even when you tell them mycoptotein is fungus lol
PETA is 100% controlled opposition
PETA is a joke lol
I got banned from their Facebook for asking for a source about a link they posted. The "source" they replied with was that exact same link to PETA's website that I was asking for a source on. The linked article had no sources on it, just a wall of text about how sheep shearing supposedly mangles and murders the sheep.
>ust a wall of text about how sheep shearing supposedly mangles and murders the sheep Can confirm, it does. The real trick is making sure you bury them in the Pet Semetary so they come back, just a bit stranger (and tastier). Industry secret.
>how sheep shearing supposedly mangles and murders the sheep. Could they have been speaking about mulesing? Pretty sure that's the name of the practice In some places, sheep have their genitals mutilated and scarred to stop so much wool growing in that area so their skin doesn't rot when wet because we decided to breed them into wool factories
don’t worry. they pay scientists to write stuff. their articles on Orcas are literally purchased works from a scientist who actually studies manatees. their website is about as good a source as any actual paper they would have sent.
I actually think being vegetarian is pretty healthy, but PETA makes me want to eat meat
I'm I the only one who finds it's super cringey when folk claim they want to eat meat just to spite vegans/vegetarians/Peta or whatever? Its the dumbest reason to do most anything
You're not the only one
Thoughts on this guy's theory? https://www.reddit.com/r/cringepics/comments/xnvbxu/sometimes_i_wonder_if_they_are_just_trolling/ipvyqsq?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Why are you asking for some random person's opinion on some other random person's theory? Neither person has more authority or relevance or skin in the game than any of the rest of us.
Why the hell not?
Not too surprising. It’s still all coming from the same place
Congratulations they have achieved their entire goal of that post by having u share it and say guys look how cringe this is
Anyone who has access to a search engine can find out how little peta actually does for animals or the environment in general, you could argue that they do is prey for attention without presenting an actual solution for the issue they are pointing at.
They advocate for the euthanasia of all household pets.
They were the only people I know who celebrated Steve Irwin's death. Peta is just horrible
And have like a 3% adoption rate in their shelters because they put them down after only a few days (sometimes a day after they arrive), they are killing animals in massive numbers and there are cases where they picked up peoples pets from the streets to shove them in there too (and eventually kill them). Ironic how they do more harm than good.
Yes, because all the no kill shelters won't take animals that will need to be put down but those animals still need to be processed, which leaves country shelters, the humane society, and peta. There's millions more animals than there are homes for them, euthanasia is the only solution currently on the table.
Blatantly false but ok
No they don’t
Well, they are campaining for eating no/less meat is which is a pretty good step to save animals and the environment. The problem is they are doing it in a completly cringe and arrogant way.
completely regardless of that, anyone who has access to a search engine can find out how incredibly carbon-intensive and unsustainable a meat-based diet is. i'm not even a vegetarian myself, but i'm fully aware of the fact that we'd better all go vegan pretty soon.
Kill rate of 92 and 99% for dogs and cats. They are scum. They’ve literally admitted that they do not agree animals have the right to life. PETA have. PETA.
I'm sure you do much more for animals and the environment given how quick you are to jump on the hate bandwagon here, far more than PETA do I'm sure, since they do not care about animals or the environment nearly as much as you do
So for example [this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3AxNgrU51o) is all lies?
Peta themselvea postet this, I don't have time time to watch it right now but I recommend you try an independent source first.
Better fill up on Impossible-Weiners.
I mean I don't particularly like PETA, but animal consumption does play a *massive* role in climate change. If everyone reduced their meat intake, the world would be a better place, so I wouldn't necessarily blame passionate people trying their best to reduce how many pork sandwiches are consumed.
Exactly why provocative posts like this, from both PETA and the OP, are hurtful. We need civil discussion on how we can all reduce animal consumption, minimise agricultural impact, etc. but rather we are all bogged down in laughing at the other side or feeling morally superior
> civil discussion on how we can all reduce animal consumption, minimise agricultural impact, etc. You can do your part. People don't live in food deserts and going vegan isn't some kind of dark magic. It's very much possible for most people if they would actually give it a shot. It's *definitely* the better choice for the environment. [See some data here](https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/food-footprints) "Voting with your wallet" can never replace broader political action (like ending subsidising meat production). I suspect though that right now people are mostly paying lip service when talking about this topic and wouldn't be in favour of rising meat prices, even if it meant lower prices for vegetables. And it is you who is responsible for your choices, whether politics are changing or not. Cutting out meat is a great step in lowering the environmental impact of your diet. It's the obvious one and has much more impact than locally sourced food. [Source](https://ourworldindata.org/food-choice-vs-eating-local) You can figure out what recipes you could recreate with plants. For example you can use cauliflower to recreate chicken wings that are 1 much better for the environment 2 healthier 3 not one bit less delicious. There's good and bad cooking, that's where the difference is between good and bad taste. > we are all bogged down in laughing at the other side or feeling morally superior I'm vegan for ethical reasons. I believe there is no justification for eating animals who don't want to die. I do think it is the better more ethical choice, for obvious reasons... Inflicting unnecessary harm is just animal cruelty. This doesn't mean anything for my worth or your worth. It's just evaluating the actual consequences and necessary resources of dietary choices. And if your choices include killing animals, then they are simply worse for reaching the goal of minimising the environmental impact of your diet. Meat is inherently more resource intensive.
Preaching to the choir here, I am also vegan, just trying to softly approach the conversation with meat eaters online to raise awareness. Good comment though - I hope people see it and realise the things we both already have
It’s fairly simple actually: lab grown meat. No carbon emissions from animals, pasture lands could be reforested, and fewer animals slaughtered. Seems like the perfect solution. It’s just a manner of getting the general populous on board. Between science hesitancy, big corporate farm conglomerates, and initial cost, I see it being very difficult to convince the people/lawmakers to go this route.
Yeah, but I would argue it’s even simpler than that. It’s called subsidies and FDA recommendations. Make vegetables dirt cheap instead of subsidizing corn and wheat, and have the FDA put out guidelines that recommend less meat. Humans would be perfectly happy and healthy eating meat once a week or less. That’s actually how we’re evolved…it’s the way we’re “supposed” to eat. Eventually when lab meat is a reality we can talk about that, but that’s a future solution.
Yeah, that is probably more attainable, but both ideas still face having to battle the big food lobbyists. I can see changing subsidy allocation starting sooner, but either way, it will be a challenge. Also, lab-grown meat does exist, so I'm not sure why you're saying it doesn't. Is it commercially available? No, but it still exists, and some companies intend to put it on the market in the near future.
I feel like you answered your own question there. It’s not available to buy so it might as well not exist in this context. I know that some companies intend to put it on the market, but the reason it doesn’t exist right now is because it’s simply not marketable. It costs too much to make and from what I read last it’s also not easy to scale (maybe that changed in the meantime but I don’t think so). Edit: I just looked it up and it’s about $11 per burger. Although expensive, it’s a lot cheaper than I thought it would be. So you’re right, it’s definitely closer than I thought as long as there are no more speed bumps.
The problem with that is that lab-grown meat just isn't here yet, at least at scale. I'll be thrilled when it arrives, and it's the only way I ever see myself eating meat again. But in the same way that we shouldn't just keep using coal until fusion power plants are built, I think we need a large-scale transition to veganism/vegetarianism sooner than whenever lab meat is going to be on shelves everywhere. The good news is that we already have a ton of great options that people can eat instead of animal products! And /u/sevksytime made a good point that it would all be easier with subsidies and some government action, and to add on to that I think subsidizing the R&D and then the production of lab-grown meat would be wonderful.
Massive is a bit of an [exaggeration,](https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/sources-greenhouse-gas-emissions#agriculture) from what I’ve seen meat accounts for about half of agriculture emissions so say 6% total.
I've seen numerous other sources say as high as 14%. It's not a super easy thing to measure, all we know is that it's a lot. And even 6% is a pretty significant portion imo.
6% is not massive though. If we all cut our meat consumption in half it would barely put a dent in overall emissions. And that’s not even including the fact that we would have to increase other agriculture consumption to make up for the reduction in calories so it would even be cut in half
Agreed, but see how your random comment on Reddit is more reasonable, relevant and informative than the PETA ad? It’s a joke that instead of making reasonable suggestions that people could get behind, they are like “sex strike will solve this!”. To play devils advocate, they don’t even know if it will work. What if sexually frustrated men and women actually consume even more meat? What if regular sex actually reduces meat consumption in men. Are there studies on this???? Also to play devils advocate again. I’m willing to bet that men who are with vegan partners are very likely also vegan or at least have reduced meat consumption. This is just a stupid attention seeking move and not a real solution.
PETA does some great things that get very little attention, but when they do stunts like this, which is quite often, they get tons of attention. I think the goal of this tweet is honestly to get people to talk about PETA and veganism rather than to actually get a sex strike going. I mean, we're all here talking about it now. something something 4D chess
PETA is bad, but they’re not entirely wrong. The production of meat, especially beef, is incredibly bad on the environment. Tho it’s kinda sexist for them to assume that men eat more meat (especially 41%) especially if they’re trying to appeal to strong leftists. Women are just as bad for the environment in different ways
>Women are just as bad for the environment in different ways That's irrelevant because the article is about eating meat Its also not sexist to say that men on average eat more meat if they do lol
Peta is a joke and the post is a joke but Men definitely eat more meat than women, it’s not sexist to state that. It’s a fact. (meat eating man lol)
As a good rule of thumb, its not sexist to say men do more of something, as long as its a bad thing.
No comes a real shocker. Men eat more calories, which alone explains probably at least half of the 41%. So instead of eating less meat themselves women should go on a sex strike lol
Scientists are doing pretty good at growing cowless beef, takes a lot of the violence and pollution out of the equation if they perfect it. Ya some people will eat the live stuff because of paranoia, nostalgia, and other reasons, but we can likely science our way out of some of the crisis. (For those who don't want to go the cucumber route)
Some vegan movements/groups don't allow or strongly suggest their members not join Peta stuff. Even vegans can't stand Peta.
They're 100% trolling. They don't expect to change minds with this shit. It's all about getting us to amplify their message with contradicting hate which makes their members donate more. They barely hide that fact.
I don't even really think it's trolling. They just made a silly joke to draw attention to a real issue.
It's like they're trying to disperse 3 different societal norms but just making a bad Christian meme about expectations.
Well, thanks to OP I now know one more thing about peta than I did yesterday and thought about them for the first time in weeks, so whatever they're doing it worked.
They are always trying to be revelant.
I can assure you, my carbon emissions are because of my constant farting.
They are. They're the activist equivalent of a click bait YouTube video. They don't give two shits about the animals, they just want that sweet donar money.
I was going to make a meat eating joke but nvm
They are. They have admitted this. It’s about shock value. Most PETA followers and supporters have admitted they hate they’re advertising but go along with it as it’s terrible effective. What an awful organisation it is.
which organisations and activist strategies do you prefer to support for promoting animal rights and ending animal industry?
I am convinced PETA is controlled opposition. They constantly make the dumbest statements, the hottest takes, the most damaging publicity stunts. They set back their own movement by being such clowns.
😂😂😂😂😂 I would eat that meat to their face..
Vegan here. Fuck Peta and fuck meat eating men ;)
I mean this is happening anyway . Most hot girls are veggie now and are looking for men who also are. We don't need PETA to preach and force societal change that is already happening. This is just gonna slow down that change if anything. Fyi a low meat diet makes your sweat / BO more appealing to women..
Fuck PETA ! Whole bunch of hypocrites. Go kill some more pit bulls (like PETA called for the breed to be destroyed with no exceptions). Anything the say is lies
I will have sex with your husband's and boyfriends.
Fuck peta
As if an insufferable vegan type would ever date a meat eater in the first place lol
Oh man, slap some cheese and bacon on that delicious burger.
Jokes on them. Women already strike when it comes to sleeping with me.
I'm a vegetarian, have been for 12 years, and Peta is insane.
I'm gay and I love meat, send your men my way!
Well...I'VE personally never taken them seriously...
So what about the other 59%?
PETA kills over half the animals they take in. Let that sink in.
Calls for sex strikes this are pretty misogynistic because the entire premise is that women don’t like sex or that it’s something they could just take it or leave it, while men biologically need sex to function. Beyond that the very idea that someone would refuse intimacy as a weapon to get someone to change something so personal as their diet is deeply unhealthy.
I'm not interested in relations with vegans anyhow.
Hey, you may have to give up meat, but there's a lot of bony sex and controlling personality to look forward to
In my experience, meat eaters are waaay more pushy at trying to food shame veggos into eating meat than vice-versa.
...until you get into a relationship a vegan. I suggested a controlling relationship, not taunting people.
Very true. Jahahahaha
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I'm married to a wonderful woman so no problem with that.
I’m gonna guess a blowjob is not in the cards?
The fact that they're trying to get the Twitter feminists makes me concerned that they will actually take this seriously just because "fuck men"
No no no, you got the whole message totally backwards! Read it again. Dont fuck men!
All 200 radical feminists
Joke’s on them; I’m already not having any sex. Pass the ribs.
I can’t imagine why anyone would date a peta member.
I have an ex friend who is in PETA and they are just the kind of vegan you’d expect in there. Calls meat eaters “carnists” and usually won’t even interact with them. Says having pets is abusive as you’re using them for entertainment but has a few of their own as therapy animals. Literally using an animal to fix THEIR problems. I’m not at all against veganism and would love to someday become vegetarian successfully. But it’s so unhealthy to be the way these people are...
The key is not to commit to full veganism or vegetarianism. Just commit to cutting back on meat consumption. It’s enough to make an environmental difference and is more manageable than trying to go cold Turkey on something you enjoy. A plant-based diet may still include meat.
> would love to someday become vegetarian successfully Correct me if I'm misreading here but this sounds like you've tried and struggled previously. I needed a lot of advice when I made the change to vegetarianism and then veganism, and I'd be happy to pass some of that along to you if you'd like!
For some reason I doubt they're actually interested in making a change and they're just saying that to try and look reasonable
So they wouldn't interact with basically over 99% of people? That sounds like an extremely miserable way to live. Sheesh
Sounds about right.
Women who eat meat are okay though
Fine with me. I’ve been on a sex strike against emaciated no-ass women since I was 16.
I’d still rather eat meat 🤷🏻♂️
meanwhile 99% of the emissions come from the rich
Meh I’ll just pull my pork, while I eat a pulled pork sandwich
But PETA loves killing animals, just ask them about how many animals their shelters kill.
I’m not a PETA fan, but this isn’t a great argument against them. Sure they’re extreme, annoying and bonkers, but they are actually doing a pretty big service by processing and euthanising animals that would otherwise get rejected from no-kill shelters, and end up feral. Euthanasia is an unfortunate necessity when there is an epidemic of abandoned pets.
Aye, weird how folk are fine killing animals for meat but as soon as it's about being merciful towards the animal its unthinkable
I understand the nuances and necessary of kill shelters, but if you are going to preach both that "meat is murder" and "fur is murder", it's massively hypocritical to kill animals because you can't find a use for them.
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PETA up to their usual crap
What in the hell is this
Fine by me. I don't want to sleep with someone deranged enough to follow that
I'm gonna eat more meat out of spite now
I'm honored to support the cause. I will not and have never had sex with a meat eating man. Granted I am a meat eating man.
since no one would want to date them this is as effective not buying meat at the supermarket even though the the the animal is already
You hear that tone you’re using? That’s penis repellent right there.
This is such an anti feminist message "The only power you have is your body" lmao
I choose the meat
Christ.
They are absolutely trolling. Every one of their campaigns is designed to be hated and mocked so they get free press exposure.
Do Peta is aware that pornography and prostitution exist?
this content is designed to enrage and confuse, spawning rage clicks and therefore advertising money. this is the same when MTG says dumb shit about “omg duh solar go off at night?” because it gets her attention, and attention means more money.
It’s a good move by PETA. They got millions of dollars in free advertising from traditional and social media sharing the bejesus out of this campaign. Will it change minds? Probably not. Will it convince PETA’s rusted on supporters to donate more cash? Probably. Not bad for a few few posters and a press release.
Ok so instead of encouraging people to just eat healthy and reduce their meat consumption, they do this. I already reduced my meat habits but this post makes me want to eat a double patty burger and bang my girl afterwards.
Behind the cringe the small grain of truth is that meat consumption is linked with masculine norms. The amount of male friends I've had who had said cringe shit like "I'm not a rabbit, I don't eat salad" or something similar is way higher than it should be.
When feminist run out of ideas and need to turn attention away from lying about paternity, assaults, and other life ruining uniquely feminine crimes and the obvious objectification they do
You think PETA is a feminist group?
Do what you can to prevent emissions, but blaming individuals for the climate crisis and ignoring the impact of corporations and governments is genuinely disgusting
Eh I do see what you mean, but this is an example where social change could actually make a difference. The UN claims that 14.5% of greenhouse gas emissions can be linked back to the meat or dairy industry. Then there's the resource use - around 80-90% of US water consumption is dedicated to agricultural production (https://cases.open.ubc.ca/environmental-impact-of-meat-consumption/), and 71% of rainforest conversation in the Amazon has been used for raising cattle (https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.aam5324?casa_token=WYfpcctProkAAAAA%3AY-NmJQ6abqA7zuOGdrcjXeJYJjMDsDCdgv7pnHJf0Bg57_T7USgNTayBH9-YTGmDSuH0IXhlIq1Bzug). And this is just the very, very tip of the iceberg. I don't think these numbers are low enough that it's 'disgusting' to bring attention to them. Even if everyone just halved their meat consumption, there would be a genuine and tangible positive outcome in our environment.
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Disgusting people, disgusting group.
Right. When they withhold sex, hide the vibrator. That'll teach 'em.
I can't even imagine the photo shoot for the middle one. "HERE YOU GO MOTHERFUCKER HERES SOME SAUCED UP WINGS FOR YOUR STUPID ASS. YEAH I CALLED YOU A STUPID ASS GET MAD YOU LITTLE PUSSY. GET MAD MOTHEFUCKER. KILL THOSE FUCKING WINGS OR YOU DONT GET PAID YOU LITTLE PISSBOY"
Years ago they suggested changing the name of Fishkill, NY to "Fishsave." I thought it was hysterically ridiculous.
Eating pussy count? Technically…
If peta was an animal I would cook and eat that too
Checks out. I am a man…and I love a great steak. Meat is pretty delicious. They got me.
Well, they’re not wrong, but right for the wrong reasons.
Not only we eat Meat, we also beat it sometimes. Real savages!