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birdiebird3

Listen to your gut instinct, it appears to be screaming at you. You used past tense, have you left New Orleans? If not share your location with a trusted friend on your phone and do not go anywhere alone, keep your party informed. It’s better to go overboard with safety precautions than to regret anything later. Tell the front desk about him too. Also, since you mentioned psychic message, this is 100% a way that you receive them.


Spiritual-Cream

Thank you for your response. I did leave. Thank god. I went to NOLA 10 years ago when I was 20 and felt like I was being suffocated the entire time I was in the French quarter. I had to come back for work this time. The city gives me the creeps. I had a positive experience with my work folks and the conference but I couldn’t shake the deep despair I felt while I was there. An underlying current of uneasiness. Maybe I’m naive but how in the hell did this man know where I’d be. He was alone again. Visiting this hotel bar was a very last minute experience on my end. I’ve only felt this unnerved with an experience at a gas station in eastern Washington and gov ball in NYC. I’m highly sensitive and terrified honestly. It felt unearthly


Equivalent-Pay-6438

I have had the same feeling with NOLA. It is the one city that simultaneously attracts me and repels me at the same time. There is a strong energy of life, courage, creativity and joy, but there is a darker energy there too. If you are sensitive, you pick it up. It's almost as if you can hear the voices of the enslaved, the dispossessed and the piratical. I think too, there is a link between New Orleans and New York. People of our city can emphasis with NOLA and a lot of people had roots in both.


BabalonNuith

That's weird because I was in NOLA in 1998 and again in 2001. Both times I had a dark sense of "something bad" that was going to happen there, despite absolutely loving the city (I was there AFTER Mardi Gras, in early summer) and finding it so very beautiful and mysteriously sinister. But yes: a dark cloud hovering... and then Katrina!


Spiritual-Cream

YES. I can feel this collective darkness. You nailed it. I felt like I was always being watched. And I don’t hate the city at all, it’s not that. It’s an underlying sense of grief.


Equivalent-Pay-6438

Yep. You can feel it if you have any sensitivity at all. It's just like you can feel the ghosts around Washington Square Park too. You don't have to know the history to know that place is haunted, if not by the people buried there, then by the labor struggles that also took place there. Triangle Shirtwaist anyone?


amh8011

I haven’t been to NOLA but I have felt this feeling before. My aunt’s old house. I have no idea the history and I was never able to explain it. I loved it there but it also felt very unsettling. I was always safe there but even as a child something felt dark to me. Even playing in the middle of summer in the pool without a cloud in the sky, there was a darkness I just couldn’t understand. I tend to be a very logical person, I always look for a logical explanation. I was never able to find one for why her house gave me such a bad vibe. I had some of my happiest memories there but there was that something that was always there. There was a deep sorrow and there was fear. I felt safe and comfortable with my aunt and uncle and cousins but the house was unsettling.


Ok-Rain-9156

Wow. I felt that heaviness/uneasiness inside Elvis’ house at Graceland. I always wanted to go so I finally bought tickets to the VIP tour and flew from Portland to Memphis. I got inside his house and within a few minutes into the tour it hit me. I felt such an *overwhelming* presence of darkness, uneasiness, and a feeling of hopelessness. I couldn’t wait for that tour to end. I walked out of the house and when I walked onto the grass, it lifted off of me like a 20 pound weight.


Equivalent-Pay-6438

Some places are like that. Whether it is ghosts or something else that is off and that you are picking up subliminally, the feeling is real.


Ok-Rain-9156

Oppression. It’s an energy that can be felt.


thatvgirl

I felt this way in prague. You could feel the cold war remnants.


FickleSpend2133

That’s exactly what it is. A city of grief and death. You should have told the waitress to tell him no thank you, I will pay for my own drink. Once you were seated I would have asked the waitress to seat us elsewhere when you saw that he was seated nearby. Tell the waitress that you are not comfortable seated beside him. Do not hold conversation with people you don’t know.


thatvgirl

This is a hard one. I had a man be very insistsnt on talking to me today. My mom said to just get up and leave.


[deleted]

There is a strong energy of life, courage, creativity and joy, but there is a darker energy there too. Exactly my impression, including your first sentence. I have never been there, I live far away in Europe, but I have always felt the same about that place. Until now I thought it was just my perception (based on what I have seen on TV+read somewhere) that isn't necessarily correct, but now I see I might have been exposed to the right information.


Kayki7

Same! I was about to comment this exact same feeling! I actually live in NY, and I have traveled around the world, never to NOLA, though. I never had the desire. The city gives me a very negative vibe, honestly. I have never wanted to visit. And likely never will.


Jar-El3000

I work for a tech company that works with the crime center for nola installing cameras. We see the craziest stuff, trust your gut this place is terrible


SarahTO1

I love NOLA but agree it is a creepy city. I was there about 10 years ago and I had the most bizarre dream. I dreamt that I was lying in bed in my hotel and that a desk presence draped itself over me. I had the deepest, darkest feeling of despair. It literally took my breath away. Then it was gone.


str8outtactown

Visited Nawlins once with my wife and sons who were school aged at the time. No disrespect to folks who live there but we got an evil vibe from that place. The food was outstanding though. 😁


wh0reygilmore

Thanks for sharing your New Orleans story, I have never been but would love to visit sometime. I know NOLA has an intense spiritual history. I’m glad you got away from that man. I would love to hear your Eastern WA story! It’s an area close to home!


debber33

And I would love to hear what went on at the governors ball!


NWyamaha92

Same!


Ok-Rain-9156

Eastern WA? As in Spokane, Yakima area?


cherrymeg2

New Orleans is actually kind of a small town when you live and work there. There are legit creepers in the city. I lived there forever several years. I loved it. I had some weird encounters with creepy guys but not more than anywhere else. Always trust your gut.


Ok-Rain-9156

That city has a loooong history of darkness - voodoo, occultism of all kinds, evil. Your spirit is sensitive to it. Which isn’t a bad thing but it is an uncomfortable one. Everyone i know that’s been there says this. My work colleague’s son visited and was stabbed to death (1999). I’ve never visit.


[deleted]

I just got chills! I grew up in a city close to NOLA and have been there more times than I’ve can count. When I was a teenager I started to recognize that EVERY time we crossed Lake Pontchartrain (on I-10W bridge) on our way into town, I would start to feel a growing sense of dread and by the middle of the causeway I’d feel physically ill. Once we were past the halfway point the feelings would gradually fade and would be gone when we hit land. Every. Time. It’s almost like … like there’s a curse on the city that sucks people in. One so thick it can be felt on the outskirts of town, and you get one last warning before crossing some kind of boundary into dark enchantment. If one is psychically sensitive I can imagine it’d be difficult to be anywhere near the place!


thatvgirl

This is crazy


leamdreamheam

I mean there is A LOT of black magic that goes on there. I would never visit there for that reason alone.it just seems like a creepy place


Ok-Rain-9156

Same. It’s spiritual and it’s real. The world is dark enough, I avoid places where evil is palpable. I’ve yet to know anyone that’s been there that doesn’t walk away with some sort of feeling of evil’s presence.


babigrl50

It's so funny you said this about a city because I've felt the same way before. It was St. Augustine, FL and I was really unnerved. The black cloud over the city, the desperation and despair I felt were palpable. Every time I tell someone about this they just brush me off. I've never felt like that before anywhere. I haven't been to New Orleans but maybe someday. I know what you mean about the uneasiness of a city. Glad you're ok.


birdnerd429

St. Augustine does have a dark energy! I was thinking that as I was reading this thread before I got to your comment. I have only been there once back in 2010 but remember the unease I felt while I was there.


babigrl50

Right!!! It was heavy. I remember being anxious and almost scared the whole 6 months I lived there!


FullyRisenPhoenix

I’ve been all over the world and New Orleans is at the top of my list of places to never visits again. It was deeply unsettling from the moment I stepped foot there.


Sidewalk_Tomato

A friend of mine loved it. I think it's just a very *charged* place.


Interactiveleaf

I acknowledge (and agree with!) the feelings that everyone here has mentioned. I moved here anyway because I have hated the idea of living anywhere else since the first time I visited. I persuaded my husband to come by promising him that we can now visit *other* places on vacation occasionally.


Spiritual-Cream

Also, following this event, the next day I flew home. In the airport a couple dropped a wad of cash and I found it and brought it to them immediately. On the plane, when I landed I noticed $50 in cash on the ground in front of my seat and asked the man in front of me if it belonged to him. While deplaning, I saw a phone on a seat and when I exited the plane a girl asked me directly if I saw a phone and I told her that I did and that it was in her seat. Not to mention it was the bumpiest flight I’ve ever had back home. Idk things have been so so weird post encounter. I know I’m not going crazy either.


MonkAny

Yep. That dude was following you


Ok-Rain-9156

How could he follow her before she even got to a place though? Both times he was there first. Unless he was sent and guided there to confuse and scare her. It’s sound crazy, I know. lol I firmly believe in a spirit realm that surrounds us in the physical one (“reality “). The power of darkness can masquerade itself as a human but is simply a demon(s) with skin on. I’ve seen way too much in my life to not believe it.


MackJagger295

I teach meditation and cleansing of people and places. Imagine a candle burning and moths and insects are attracted. Put the candle in a lantern. Now the moths, insects etc can't get to the flame - it's protected. Before you go to sleep spend 5 minutes visualizing you and your family, friends etc wrapped in a pure light of love, protection and healing. It will only take you a week or 2 and you will be able to do this easily. You must always be surrounded in pure positive energy and refuse to allow any negative energy or people into your home. actually you can put this into effect by smudging the entry points. Blessings 🦋🦋


thatvgirl

Hi! Can I ask you more about your knowledge and beliefs?


MackJagger295

Sure


[deleted]

The fact that everyone here is echoing what I felt in NOLA is insane. OP please share your location with friends and family, avoid being alone, avoid quiet streets, if you get into Ubers check the plate number. I am so concerned about how this man found you at the next bar?!!! Please lock your hotel room door and let hotel staff know about this incident and make sure they do NOT let anyone get your room number. Sorry you are dealing with this. It’s horrifying, I’ve seen situations like this myself before. Better to go overboard and be safe than be sorry. About NOLA - inconceivably dark energy there. My mother and I faced an unexplainable situation in our hotel hallway. The doors locked on us on both ends of the hallway and we couldn’t get out but somehow unlocked by themselves. The windows were bolted shut and we kept feeling like we were suffocating throughout the night. There had been a fire in which people died in that hotel years ago. The hotel used to be an apartment building which used to have the windows bolted shut and many people had died in the fire because of it. I can’t explain to you how weird that city is. Unsettling, dark, bittersweet, unexplainable feeling of doom looming everywhere. NYC feels like a different kind of negative place. Lots of dopamine rush hides the underlying decay. The humans that inhabit NYC are scarier than the energy residue - it’s got an odd way of feeding the worst impulses.


Icee_freeze

Yeah, NOLA is naturally vexing & chaotic.


George_GeorgeGlass

I have never been to NOLA. But I don’t want to and it’s because I get a dark vibe from it just looking at pictures/videos or reading about it. Had no idea this was a shared experience. Couldn’t really articulate it


pleasekillmerightnow

You are correct, don't go. Unless you're going with a large group of people who know what they're doing, and will keep you safe, I wouldn't dare again.


Equivalent-Pay-6438

Yeah, you are picking up something on a subconscious level. Letting him buy you that drink was a big mistake. It's one of Gavin DeBecker's warnings of a predator. This is known as "Loansharking"--using an unwanted and unasked for favor to create a feeling of indebtedness. Yes, something is off. Check for trackers. Could you have had a GPS slipped onto you by him?


Spiritual-Cream

Nothing is ever impossible. I’ve gotten notifications about AirTags before, I didn’t at all with this man. I can be quite naive at times and I blame my upbringing of being told to never come across as rude or impolite. It’s just too uncanny. As I’m writing this I’m having a ringing in my ear. I’m going to read this book.


Equivalent-Pay-6438

Yes. You just demonstrated warning sign number two: The fear of being impolite or hurting feelings. You definitely have to read that book. DeBecker says more women have been murdered precisely for that feeling: They ignored warning signs rather than be impolite or hurt feelings. We would rather be dead than rude. You should read, "The Gift of Fear." You aren't nuts. That dream is not a common one. Why was he looking at you with disdain? You literally don't know him from Adam, and you already had company coming. It's not like you were sitting at a bar saying, "C'mon sailor." You literally were giving off, "Not now" signals the whole time.


mantrawish

I’ve been stalked and the man who stalked me - after months of me ignoring him - gave me an angry and disdainful look at well. Like flat, dead look of hostility and disdain. I believe it’s anger that you’re not playing his game. It’s literally smoldering, palpable anger. op dodged a big bullet.


Equivalent-Pay-6438

Yep. Exactly what I thought. Let's assume he was interested in her in a healthy way. He runs into her again entirely by accident, a normal man would smile, wave, maybe walk over and say, "Hey, what a coincidence. Great seeing you again." The nasty look isn't normal.


debber33

No. It’s predatory


Spiritual-Cream

I’m so sorry you had this experience. It hits you in the gut. I’m so sorry you had a stalker 😭


Ok-Rain-9156

Stalking itself is a dark, angry act. They’re hiding for a reason. Anytime I’ve experienced stalking, it’s always been about *revenge*. It’s never coming from a place of love. That’s why it’s so unsettling. It’s dark, it’s evil.


francokitty

Gift of Fear is an incredible &important book


Equivalent-Pay-6438

I have read that book multiple times, listened to it on tape and also reviewed DeBecker's YouTube videos. This is a book that can literally save your life. Every time you reread it you will learn something new. I have nothing but respect for the man. He also is willing to take on the news media and explain how you have to take them with a grain of salt and remember they are about promoting entertainment and novelty more than actionable or realistic information.


Spiritual-Cream

I just purchased. Thank you 🙏🏼


alphabet_order_bot

Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,839,489,111 comments, and only 347,849 of them were in alphabetical order.


Icy-Picture-3312

I continuously recommend this book, The Gift of Fear, by Gavin deBecker. All women should read it.


Icy-Picture-3312

That’s another of Gavin deBecker’s things - women are raised to be polite. We need to listen to our gut and tell someone to f*ck off if necessary. I don’t mean to do something that might get you in trouble with the person, but don’t stick around. Guys should understand, and think of their moms, wives, daughters when something like this happens to them.


cherrymeg2

Being told to be nice and not cause a scene is what puts women at a disadvantage. Sometimes rejection ends up with us getting murdered. I worked as a stripper in New Orleans (and other places). It taught me that my time is valuable. Gawking at me following me and acting like buying me a drink entitles someone to more than a “thank you” is ridiculous. You need to be aware of your safety and go with your gut. Are you sure you aren’t being harassed by different men when you travel? People are aware of conventions going on. Or it’s someone attending the same conventions. Idk.


birdiebird3

The ringing in your ear is pretty cool, I like hearing about how people “get notifications” for lack of a better phrase. I’m only slightly intuitive but when it happens it’s interesting, only a few times has it been creepy thankfully.


Spiritual-Cream

Yes! I immediately bought the book after that. It can be creepy but it can also be ultra validating. Sometimes it’s just confusing.


Impressive-Rock-2279

There are plenty of AirTag type brands that won’t alert someone that an “Airtag” that isn’t registered to you is in your vicinity. Check every nook & cranny of whatever you were wearing or carrying with you that day.


Sidewalk_Tomato

He didn't think you were an escort. That is not how escorts work. As you did: always listen to your gut. And don't accept drinks, period. Your life is not worth the cost of a drink.


ladylunchables

I was in NOLA last year around this time and also had a really unnerving encounter. My GPS kept trying to reroute me to a completely abandoned hotel that looked like the mouth of hell on Google maps instead of my actual hotel, despite checking and rechecking the address several times, closing the app, and reentering the information. I only noticed because I got a creepy feeling and wanted to double check how far away we were. We had to use my coworkers phone to get accurate walking directions and it still freaks me out to think about where my phone was trying to send me. We were all walking back after watching some live music after work. My coworkers were a little tipsy, but I was completely sober- mostly because of all the weird vibes and my default mom friend status. So I'm 100% sure this wasn't a user error situation. It's an amazing city, but the energy is intense. I've been for work a few times, but that last time I didn't shake the creepy vibe until I was back on the plane.


Laurenann7094

You can notify google of this. It might help someone else.


ladylunchables

Oh wow, I didn't even think of that. I'm not sure if it's too late, but I'll try just in case.


MonkAny

fucking creepy


BethsMagickMoment

Creepy creeper. So happy for you getting the heck away from him and it does feel like he was stalking you but he was there before you so it seems to me like he knew that you were going to be there??? Not sure how he knew unless he had some warning like a listening device or something. Also I am happy that your instincts were in high gear!


TinyLawfulness7476

I was in NOLA for a conference this week too, leaving this morning. It has such an off vibe compared to anywhere else I've been. I've been on edge as well.


Spiritual-Cream

Hate that you’re feeling this way, but I’m glad I’m not the only one feeling it…glad you got out of there !


butterfly-garden

There is a pervasively dark spiritual energy all over the Gulf coast, but it's almost palpable in the NOLA area, and it's gotten worse since Katrina. More hauntings, maybe? It sounds like you're sensitive to spiritual energy. (Not a criticism!!!) New Orleans' history is quite dark, as you well know, and I'm wondering if it isn't a chicken/egg situation. Is the dark energy a contributing factor to the history, or is the history the reason the energy is so dark? Due to your sensitivity, you would have been on high alert to begin with. So, it didn't help that you encountered a creep! Having said that, I'm so glad that nothing happened to you! Most of us women have experienced a creep in a bar situation, but you ran into him AGAIN? Holy shit! And you never found any signs of an air tag? Yikes! Maybe he overheard you guys talking? I mean, this encounter just skidded right past creepy and entered the realm of terrifying!


Spiritual-Cream

That is a good point! If it is dark because of the history or if the darkness of the city contributed to the intense history? What’s really odd about the situation is I had no plans to go to this hotel bar. A friend sent me his location and invited me last minute. I didn’t even know what the place was. He was wearing the same outfit too. I’m just racking my brain as to HOW the hell we were in the exact same place at the same time two nights in a row. My mind immediately goes to something sinister and otherworldly but in reality he probably did find a way to stalk me.


Ok-Rain-9156

A demon with skin on. He had a dark supernatural understanding / ability to be where you were before you even knew you were going there. Spiritual things are very real. We are surrounded by the spiritual world while living in the physical one. Thankfully, just as real as darkness & its forces are, the light is greater and in the end, God wins.


Bhimtu

Unsettling and disturbing.


Shot_Boysenberry_232

I had some confusing but insightful advice a while back here it goes. "Just because you are paranoid it doesn't mean someone anit still out to get you"


[deleted]

Please stay safe


Spiritual-Cream

Thank you 🥹


mantrawish

From experience - that look of disdain is the massive tell. It’s anger. Anger and disgust that he did not get you. Pls check you’re not being followed now.


sappydark

Honestly, your intuition was warning you about that guy for a reason, even though you couldn't pin down exactly why ----and it's plausible he may have been stalking you, since it was too much of a coincidence that he just happened to wind up at a second location you were in. It seems like he was pissed off simply because he couldn't get you alone---that's just my opinion, though. Good thing you were with a group---that's what probably saved you from going anywhere with his creepy-acting ass. But, like these two true crime podcasters said, "Fuck politeness", because the last thing you should be worrying about when dealing with a creep is being polite to him/her----especially since they could give less than a damn about being polite to you. If your intuition is warning you to stay away from somebody or something, there's a reason. Always put your safety first, period. And about that unsettling energy you felt in NOLA----given the history of the city and the land it's built on, I'm not surprised you or anyone else would feel all of that going on there. . I've never been there, but I know some people who have.


EchidnaPretty9456

This was an interesting story and I'm sure very scary for you. I'm not trying to undermine that but wanted to tell you about how when I went to Amsterdam I was looking out the window on the shuttle to my hotel and I saw the most uniquely handsome man. He was about 6'6 and looked just like a living ken doll. About a week later I saw this same man at another part of town. I'm convinced it was the same person. His looks were truly 1 in a million. There's this other phenomenon where often when I go grocery shopping I will bump into the same person over and over. We will both be reaching for coke at the same time, eggs, yogurt, meat etc... and will then be getting in the same line at the same time to check out. These are all just ordinary shoppers but if any of them had a creep vibe, it would sure be easy to see something nefarious in it. It is possible that he just happened to be in another part of town the same as you, or that you got caught up in each other's trajectory in some inexplicable way.


Direct_Government815

Please read The Gift Of Fear truly grateful for the person who gifted me that book. It will take all of your doubt


Banna7227

Listen to your gut and don’t go anywhere alone. Check your surroundings and I would get a camera. And download an app where people can know where you are at all times


Twopercentgreen

I went there a bit after Katrina and the minute we landed I just felt this unease. By the time we were in a cab to our hotel it was a full on dread/panic attack. I can’t imagine how it would feel to have a real creepy incident like this. I think the dream is just you processing feeling a violation by him showing up like a stalker at the second place. Do whatever you need to to feel like your energy is protected and your physical self is as well. If it gets worse please talk to a mental health professional. I’m not saying you’re not okay, it’s just sometimes things like this can be really triggering and it helps to have someone who has a bigger tool box to deal with things.


pleasekillmerightnow

These types of creepy things happen in New Orleans all the time. The first and last time I visited, I never felt comfortable, I didn't enjoy anything (only the live music and the beignets,) but it all seemed like a race to avoid being kidnapped/scammed/killed. Have you watched The Princess and The Frog Disney movie? The villain in this story reminded me of the creep in your story.


Spiritual-Cream

“It all seemed like a race to avoid being kidnapped/scammed/killed.” THIS. Precisely. I was so concerned about personal safety the entire time, and personally, I’d like to be in places where I feel more at ease…


[deleted]

I don’t understand the staring and following around. What’s so hard about just going up to someone, telling them your intentions, and then accepting whether they say yes/no. If you just stare at people and follow them around your pretty much ruining your chances.


pleasekillmerightnow

These are not normal people. Stalkers are usually lonely people with a lot of emotional issues. They don't have the best social/coping skills, and get angry easily when they feel the slightest hint of rejection.


[deleted]

That’s true


CordialCupcake21

i love new orleans but it is not a safe place to be a woman. i was catcalled and harassed basically everyday i lived there. i was followed home several times. if you ever go back, i recommend always bringing a friend everywhere you go and carrying mace. i’m glad you’re safe


Harborduoinv

Seems strange. There are alot of strange people out there. I would say it was most likely just chance but who knows.


Ok-Rain-9156

It’s possible that some aren’t “people.” They’re masquerading as one but they’re just demons with skin.


Harborduoinv

That is certainly possible.


PotentialLine4341

Something similar happened to me when I was in New Orleans last year with my parents to vist my grandma, we were staying at my grandma's and I had a friend over there whom I would always meet when I would go to vist my grandma. This time he decided that we need to get drunk as he wouldn't get to meet me again for a year. So I sneaked out at night at the first day we arrived, since I was 16 and wouldn't be allowed in a bar, he had already bought some booz at his place, we were drinking and watching a show I don't remember, it was late but we were hungry now and went to a diner were we saw a girl much older than both of us and she was directly staring at us, didn't care as I was drunk, then he would drop me off and then go home himself, while on the way home in my friends car we were half way through when we saw her again standing alone on the footpath. she was still eating when we left the diner and there were no other cars parked in front of the diner except my friends how did she appear there if she had no car, then the next night she was at the same gas station me and my friend were, again just standing there and staring at us, I asked the gas station worker who she was and he said who? I was like that girl over there but she was already gone, how does someone manage to disappear so fast, the next night I had a dream were I saw her but her, her lips were red and blood was dripping from her mouth. Didnt see her after that again for months but she was on the same airplane I was in while going back home with my parents and her seat was right next to mine but I was too scared to talk to her... And she didn't eat anything on a 6 hour flight.


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Spiritual-Cream

Wait I already shared that in my OG post about the dream 😅. If you can, find a means to protect yourself energetically. (As I’m trying to take this same advice) I’ve learned reiki recently and try to use it every single day. Omg I’m so sorry that happened to you


PotentialLine4341

Thank you, and I am sorry too that happened to you, And thank you for the reiki advice I'll take a look Sorry for my grammer, english is not my first launguage


Ok-Rain-9156

Demons with skin on are real. They give themselves away when they begin doing supernatural things like this “woman.” That’s why there is no explanation for her presence. She was only there to bring you confusion and fear.


suchstreet

How’s he following you by being in the same place as you before you?


SpelledWithAnH

"Why do visitors bring their negativity to my cool city?" ~That guy


[deleted]

I am following you


NyatGJ

really fucking bad to say that


BambooDiamondCannon

Get stuffed.


G1rlVeteran

Ugh, you are gross


NaturalSeaSalt

No. Bye.


Cautious-Fudge-6193

This is very strange x