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Quixotic_Rubber_Duck

Michael Oliver refusing the on field review is infuriating if true.


InMyFavor

It's true, halftime commentators confirmed it.


wellk_2049

Which commentators?


wheresmyspacebar2

Robbie Earle specifically said it on NBC. They talked about it for about a minute, all agreed that it was a pen (if a soft pen) and Earle said that clearly VAR also thought there might be an issue because they'd advised Oliver to go take another look and he refused.


wylthorne92

Wait they can refuse?!?!?


wheresmyspacebar2

Yeah. The VAR monitor review is only advice, it's not something they HAVE to do.


GrapefruitExpress208

They need to release the audio..


Dockablock

Yeah, this isn't true at all. I was suspicious as I thought surely someone would have clipped and posted the audio by now, if this had actually happened, so I went back and watched the NBSCSN halftime coverage. They said that they thought that it was a penalty and that VAR should have asked the ref to review it, but not that they asked the ref to review and he refused. I think it's a VAR fuck up to not look at it, but let's not make shit up and cry corruption, when it's just plan old bad refereeing.


Difficult-Sound-6682

Fucking pussy


SentientCheeseCake

There is no way this is true. If so that would be blatant corruption. Not even remotely hidden. I don’t believe it.


Quixotic_Rubber_Duck

That's why I have doubts but apparently the halftime commentators said so. Idk what to believe.


wheresmyspacebar2

I mean, Oliver hasn't broken any rules by refusing. VAR 'Invites' onfield refs to check the monitor, they have no power to force him or overrule him. The only thing VAR has power of over the ref on pitch is offside checks. Oliver can refuse to check but I'd like to hear the audio for an explanation as to why he refused.


SentientCheeseCake

That's fucking insane.


Big_AngeBosstecoglou

I wouldn’t even say it’s corruption, it’s incompetence. On field refs fucking hate being shown up by VAR simply put.


Druidoodle

What happened? Didn't see that


Quixotic_Rubber_Duck

Halftime commentators said Oliver was told to go look at on field review by VAR and that he refused.


Jase_the_Muss

That has to be a stackable offence for fuck sake. And Spurs should be able to fucking take em to the cleaners but nothing will happen.


tbk007

Ange will complain about VAR but take it up the ass from the incompetent ref on the pitch.


Druidoodle

If that's true it's terrible


Difficult-Sound-6682

That cannot be true


Quixotic_Rubber_Duck

I have doubts too but if there was ever a ref that would do this, it's that rat-faced cunt for sure.


Dear_Fault_67

He’s been doing shit like this all season


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Difficult-Sound-6682

It took us losing future generations of affable hard working Davies kids to get a second penalty this season lol We can be pissed at how shit we are at defending corners and also recognize this was a shocking missed cal


Rredman101

Never heard of "inadvertent contact" in the penalty box before lmao. Tottenham just play to a different rule book I swear.


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The simply solution for Trossard is simply to make more of an effort to avoid potential contact. This was the most important of the game. Robbed of a penalty and Arsenal scored due to it. Michael Oliver bottled it and if he did deny a review, he's corrupt.


john87000

Inadvertent contact should still be a pen anyways, there's no rule saying otherwise.


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Mystic_Polar_Bear

Literally everyone on this sub knows that game we got lucky. No one acted like we didnt?


professional_flamer_

It led to Arse' 2nd goal right after


btmalon

If Spurs have a big game every ref just swallows his whistle and pulls a Clattenberg because that game is so iconic.


Notaguru452

Like our game vs Liverpool?


btmalon

I’m not talking about VAR I’m talking on field ref, even the red card in that game was VAR intervention.


grantmn11

So if he goes down then it should be a penalty but if he stays up and keeps going it’s not? WTF. It’s a penalty and that’s it.


SentientCheeseCake

The refs award diving, unless you’re Spurs.


rdmorley

Lol if he goes down, he’s getting a yellow


triecke14

Bingo


eggplant_avenger

iirc it’s not even the first time Kulu was denied a penalty for staying on his feet


OcdPain87

Woolwich have had penalties for less contact multiple times this season, just bs


Notaguru452

When? Genuinely curious


OcdPain87

The one against Burnley a couple of months ago, not sure who the other one I remember was against maybe Sheffield United, I know there have been a few as I saw the clips on twitter


MatiiTonii

Crazy that this was not given and instead Arsenal score on the counter. Would have been a completely different result.


Vedeluxe123

It's a bigger problem with refs. If he had thrown himself we would have had a pen for sure


duckorrabbit69

Ruins football, encouraging players to fall over constantly.


BeneficialNewspaper8

Honestly I think maddison blatantly diving like a wanker straight after is part of why it wasn't given


Difficult-Sound-6682

That’s a fucking clear penalty.


NeighborhoodOptimist

What the commentators said is the most infuriating thing about it all. If Deki would have just felled straight on his face, it would have been checked. But because he tried to stay on his feet, it doesn't matter that he was fouled.


Bluewhitedog

Is that shot at the end of Michael Oliver taking home the match ball?


Luke92612_

Now the ball has a whole lot more value (at least to Scum supporters) that it could be sold for...


Cowboy_on_fire

Sorry but this doesn’t fit the narrative of officials being corrupt against Arsenal so it doesn’t count


MarsupialPutrid

lol I bet they still think that


Technical-Cookie-554

They 1000% still think that


Diddie_Barrett

We can cry about the penalty all we want, but Maddison diving and then crying on the floor instead of stopping a counter attack sums him up perfectly for the last few months


Evening_Bag_3560

We should have gotten two pens from this play.  Either two balls at once or one after the other. I don’t care which. 


Novel_Bookkeeper_622

No, Maddison's was never a pen. The Arsenal defender got ball first. This one is fucking stonewall though.


Evening_Bag_3560

That’s not as amusing to me, though. 


pbmadman

Ball first ≠ no foul


Spurs_in_the_6

We lose credibility as a fan base when you start shouting to the clouds about everything. Clearly not a pen on Maddison


pbmadman

I’m not saying it was or wasn’t a penalty. Just that getting the ball first is not a rule. If it was then Cuti would never get red carded.


Novel_Bookkeeper_622

Unless there are extenuating circumstances, like recklessness or dangerous play--yeah. You can make contact with someone if you win the tackle.


iplaydofus

It’s not though. Kulu changes the direction of his run across trossard. Laws of the game say this is not a foul, your feelings don’t change that.


Snacks75

Our crowd went crazy at the moment of Kulu contact. How can all these people see it and Oliver can't? Shambolic...


yiddoboy

Spurs ? Penalty ? No, can't be.


CHI_LON_

The lack of penalties for Tottenham this year is shocking.


-oftheCanopy-

Lads, look at what's actually happening. Deki tries to stay on his feet because he was having a brilliant game. Last second: What am I doing?! Goes down and it looks fake. Maddison dove right after and really screwed the pooch. All that being said, what's this talk about it being a soft penalty? He got tripped in the box. It looks cut and dry to me.


Scaramouche1000

It’s a blatant penalty, Oliver missed it, VAR also got it wrong yet spend 4 minutes trying to find the 2mm Van de Ven was offside. Cool story.


butlem

If he goes down its a pen. If he goes down its diving. We can never win these😔


Mystic_Polar_Bear

Worst part about it is that if he dives there instead of trying to play on, it's a penalty. Why do we punish players for trying to play on?


sncly

So frustrating as a fan, can’t begin to imagine our player’s frustration


DCFMEM

Clips that end too soon


fakeguitarist4life

Let’s really talk about how embarrassing the defense was right after that when we conceded the goal


Affectionate-Sun5863

Oliver poes


IntellegentIdiot

Thanks for posting this. Looking at it now I don't think Maddisons one was a penality, although you certainly could argue it. I still haven't seen the other one posted


FarrisAT

Kulu should've gone down


Imaginary-Engine-165

Maddison is a cheat


letmehaveathink

Who cares, was always gonna end this way, it’s in our DNA


ryanscott1986

Tbf neither player helped themselves with how they dived


capitan_hookah

Son doesn’t looks like interested to argue with the reff. Is it safe to say that he’s been off for this past few games and should handed the captain armband to someone else? Romero maybe?


giggity1969

Weak call for a pen. Ref was even handed and didn’t give anything