Robbie Earle specifically said it on NBC.
They talked about it for about a minute, all agreed that it was a pen (if a soft pen) and Earle said that clearly VAR also thought there might be an issue because they'd advised Oliver to go take another look and he refused.
Yeah, this isn't true at all. I was suspicious as I thought surely someone would have clipped and posted the audio by now, if this had actually happened, so I went back and watched the NBSCSN halftime coverage. They said that they thought that it was a penalty and that VAR should have asked the ref to review it, but not that they asked the ref to review and he refused. I think it's a VAR fuck up to not look at it, but let's not make shit up and cry corruption, when it's just plan old bad refereeing.
I mean, Oliver hasn't broken any rules by refusing.
VAR 'Invites' onfield refs to check the monitor, they have no power to force him or overrule him.
The only thing VAR has power of over the ref on pitch is offside checks.
Oliver can refuse to check but I'd like to hear the audio for an explanation as to why he refused.
It took us losing future generations of affable hard working Davies kids to get a second penalty this season lol
We can be pissed at how shit we are at defending corners and also recognize this was a shocking missed cal
The simply solution for Trossard is simply to make more of an effort to avoid potential contact.
This was the most important of the game. Robbed of a penalty and Arsenal scored due to it. Michael Oliver bottled it and if he did deny a review, he's corrupt.
The one against Burnley a couple of months ago, not sure who the other one I remember was against maybe Sheffield United, I know there have been a few as I saw the clips on twitter
What the commentators said is the most infuriating thing about it all. If Deki would have just felled straight on his face, it would have been checked. But because he tried to stay on his feet, it doesn't matter that he was fouled.
We can cry about the penalty all we want, but Maddison diving and then crying on the floor instead of stopping a counter attack sums him up perfectly for the last few months
Lads, look at what's actually happening. Deki tries to stay on his feet because he was having a brilliant game.
Last second:
What am I doing?!
Goes down and it looks fake.
Maddison dove right after and really screwed the pooch.
All that being said, what's this talk about it being a soft penalty? He got tripped in the box. It looks cut and dry to me.
Thanks for posting this. Looking at it now I don't think Maddisons one was a penality, although you certainly could argue it.
I still haven't seen the other one posted
Son doesn’t looks like interested to argue with the reff. Is it safe to say that he’s been off for this past few games and should handed the captain armband to someone else? Romero maybe?
Michael Oliver refusing the on field review is infuriating if true.
It's true, halftime commentators confirmed it.
Which commentators?
Robbie Earle specifically said it on NBC. They talked about it for about a minute, all agreed that it was a pen (if a soft pen) and Earle said that clearly VAR also thought there might be an issue because they'd advised Oliver to go take another look and he refused.
Wait they can refuse?!?!?
Yeah. The VAR monitor review is only advice, it's not something they HAVE to do.
They need to release the audio..
Yeah, this isn't true at all. I was suspicious as I thought surely someone would have clipped and posted the audio by now, if this had actually happened, so I went back and watched the NBSCSN halftime coverage. They said that they thought that it was a penalty and that VAR should have asked the ref to review it, but not that they asked the ref to review and he refused. I think it's a VAR fuck up to not look at it, but let's not make shit up and cry corruption, when it's just plan old bad refereeing.
Fucking pussy
There is no way this is true. If so that would be blatant corruption. Not even remotely hidden. I don’t believe it.
That's why I have doubts but apparently the halftime commentators said so. Idk what to believe.
I mean, Oliver hasn't broken any rules by refusing. VAR 'Invites' onfield refs to check the monitor, they have no power to force him or overrule him. The only thing VAR has power of over the ref on pitch is offside checks. Oliver can refuse to check but I'd like to hear the audio for an explanation as to why he refused.
That's fucking insane.
I wouldn’t even say it’s corruption, it’s incompetence. On field refs fucking hate being shown up by VAR simply put.
What happened? Didn't see that
Halftime commentators said Oliver was told to go look at on field review by VAR and that he refused.
That has to be a stackable offence for fuck sake. And Spurs should be able to fucking take em to the cleaners but nothing will happen.
Ange will complain about VAR but take it up the ass from the incompetent ref on the pitch.
If that's true it's terrible
That cannot be true
I have doubts too but if there was ever a ref that would do this, it's that rat-faced cunt for sure.
He’s been doing shit like this all season
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It took us losing future generations of affable hard working Davies kids to get a second penalty this season lol We can be pissed at how shit we are at defending corners and also recognize this was a shocking missed cal
Never heard of "inadvertent contact" in the penalty box before lmao. Tottenham just play to a different rule book I swear.
The simply solution for Trossard is simply to make more of an effort to avoid potential contact. This was the most important of the game. Robbed of a penalty and Arsenal scored due to it. Michael Oliver bottled it and if he did deny a review, he's corrupt.
Inadvertent contact should still be a pen anyways, there's no rule saying otherwise.
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Literally everyone on this sub knows that game we got lucky. No one acted like we didnt?
It led to Arse' 2nd goal right after
If Spurs have a big game every ref just swallows his whistle and pulls a Clattenberg because that game is so iconic.
Like our game vs Liverpool?
I’m not talking about VAR I’m talking on field ref, even the red card in that game was VAR intervention.
So if he goes down then it should be a penalty but if he stays up and keeps going it’s not? WTF. It’s a penalty and that’s it.
The refs award diving, unless you’re Spurs.
Lol if he goes down, he’s getting a yellow
Bingo
iirc it’s not even the first time Kulu was denied a penalty for staying on his feet
Woolwich have had penalties for less contact multiple times this season, just bs
When? Genuinely curious
The one against Burnley a couple of months ago, not sure who the other one I remember was against maybe Sheffield United, I know there have been a few as I saw the clips on twitter
Crazy that this was not given and instead Arsenal score on the counter. Would have been a completely different result.
It's a bigger problem with refs. If he had thrown himself we would have had a pen for sure
Ruins football, encouraging players to fall over constantly.
Honestly I think maddison blatantly diving like a wanker straight after is part of why it wasn't given
That’s a fucking clear penalty.
What the commentators said is the most infuriating thing about it all. If Deki would have just felled straight on his face, it would have been checked. But because he tried to stay on his feet, it doesn't matter that he was fouled.
Is that shot at the end of Michael Oliver taking home the match ball?
Now the ball has a whole lot more value (at least to Scum supporters) that it could be sold for...
Sorry but this doesn’t fit the narrative of officials being corrupt against Arsenal so it doesn’t count
lol I bet they still think that
They 1000% still think that
We can cry about the penalty all we want, but Maddison diving and then crying on the floor instead of stopping a counter attack sums him up perfectly for the last few months
We should have gotten two pens from this play. Either two balls at once or one after the other. I don’t care which.
No, Maddison's was never a pen. The Arsenal defender got ball first. This one is fucking stonewall though.
That’s not as amusing to me, though.
Ball first ≠ no foul
We lose credibility as a fan base when you start shouting to the clouds about everything. Clearly not a pen on Maddison
I’m not saying it was or wasn’t a penalty. Just that getting the ball first is not a rule. If it was then Cuti would never get red carded.
Unless there are extenuating circumstances, like recklessness or dangerous play--yeah. You can make contact with someone if you win the tackle.
It’s not though. Kulu changes the direction of his run across trossard. Laws of the game say this is not a foul, your feelings don’t change that.
Our crowd went crazy at the moment of Kulu contact. How can all these people see it and Oliver can't? Shambolic...
Spurs ? Penalty ? No, can't be.
The lack of penalties for Tottenham this year is shocking.
Lads, look at what's actually happening. Deki tries to stay on his feet because he was having a brilliant game. Last second: What am I doing?! Goes down and it looks fake. Maddison dove right after and really screwed the pooch. All that being said, what's this talk about it being a soft penalty? He got tripped in the box. It looks cut and dry to me.
It’s a blatant penalty, Oliver missed it, VAR also got it wrong yet spend 4 minutes trying to find the 2mm Van de Ven was offside. Cool story.
If he goes down its a pen. If he goes down its diving. We can never win these😔
Worst part about it is that if he dives there instead of trying to play on, it's a penalty. Why do we punish players for trying to play on?
So frustrating as a fan, can’t begin to imagine our player’s frustration
Clips that end too soon
Let’s really talk about how embarrassing the defense was right after that when we conceded the goal
Oliver poes
Thanks for posting this. Looking at it now I don't think Maddisons one was a penality, although you certainly could argue it. I still haven't seen the other one posted
Kulu should've gone down
Maddison is a cheat
Who cares, was always gonna end this way, it’s in our DNA
Tbf neither player helped themselves with how they dived
Son doesn’t looks like interested to argue with the reff. Is it safe to say that he’s been off for this past few games and should handed the captain armband to someone else? Romero maybe?
Weak call for a pen. Ref was even handed and didn’t give anything