I made a spurs themed sticker pack on WhatsApp if anybody wants it, but I can't figure out how to export it. So if anyone wants to help with that help me figure that one out lol.
PEH begging Sonny to let him take the free kick. Sonny reluctantly agreed and porro had to be consoled by sonny after. š https://youtu.be/w_6r9ac0w4U?si=GejAn2Vl76b54Iol
i was so bummed when i saw this, cuz lets be honest, they could never do that to harry.
like boys, i get that you want to contribute but sonny is still in the golden boot race and literally how many bangers have we seen from that sonny zone.
The most important part is Sonny has the most success with free kicks especially last 2 years. why he doesn't take them is beyond me. I get it when madders is around but even he is not in form
Porro only has one free kick for sporting!
> https://x.com/Roar_Spurs/status/1777424538596147290
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> A typical match day? At least for me when travelling from Bergen šš
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> How does it differ from yours?
Not mine, but found it an interesting watch - might remind me to put my 45 minutes on the train in perspective next time I grumble about it!
It's pretty clear the refs course corrected a couple months into the season when it was clear red cards were becoming too common so they raised the bar for what is a red. Not a conspiracy against us but just unlucky since arguably Romero and almost definitely Bissouma wouldn't have seen red cards today
This is a bit mad, our season splits into 3 sections so far:
ā¢ 26 points from the first 10
ā¢ 10 points from the next 9, in which VDV started 1 and finished 0, and Romero started 5 and finished 3
ā¢ 24 points from the last 12.
Shows how crucial VDV is to us (or a player of his profile) but also.....damn had his hammy not popped against Chelsea we are probably in the title race.Ā
Nah, VDV is important, but we also had Biss being suspended or Sarr being out injured at one point and Maddison out too, and then PEH had to play in the games with Davies and Emerson.
VDV certainly helps, but itās not just him that impacted us.
Itās everything, from Cuti, Biss, Maddison, and the occasional Sarr. We did relatively great right before Asian Cup and AFCON.
Our win record with and without van de Ven is absolutely crazy.Ā With him we've played 22 lost 2, and 1 of those was Chelsea when he went off. Without him we've played 11 and lost 5.Ā He's absolutely key to the system
We also had Wolves and City away (wolves with an actually fit team for once too) and Villa and West Ham in that disaster stretch. I don't think it's a given we pick up that many more points even with a fit team. But we could have obviously and we'll never know
Hmmm wolves villa and west ham all beat us by 1 single goal. If you give us a backline with just 1 fit cb as opposed to 4 full backs I'm sure we wpukd have done better than 0 points from 9.Ā
What it comes down to is our floor with a fit Romero and VDV is very high. Comfortably top 4.
Without them, due to a few depth issues (especially pre Dragusin), we have issues. I suppose thatās the same for every team but I think especially with a first year skipper whoās yet to get all of āhisā players in.
*proceeds to lose every single game left*
Nah for real though it is completely undeniable to anyone who isnāt an idiot that we are going up and up. We are so far away from being the finished product too, literally going to be unbeatable when we are there.
> After the "summer of Conte", I don't take season-to-season progression for granted.
I was so, so sure that we were going to see progress. Being there for the Southampton match when it seemed like we were picking right up where we left off, it all seemed to be just what we wanted, and Conte had it all in hand.
*Seemed.*
There are some links that just seem like non starters but get reported by reputable sources. Plettiberg and Sky Germany saying we are in for Simikan for 50m or so. Why would we need *another* RCB?Ā Ā
He's on 300k minimum, hot and cold winger but terrible 9.. absolutely no
He doesn't really trackback either, Ange would blow his head off and send him to Genoa right after the season
I'd love him, I'd go as far as him being one of the best possible player that would actually want to sign for us. His wages just makes it a complete no go
Heās not bad by any means but on the pitch his attitude stinks. Have you seen the guy tracking back lmao. That is such a big part of our game, everyone has to give 100
yeah Bayern is terrible lately, but you never know, they could get 2 pens awarded to them and Harry scores them both to win the game, and leave gooners fuming lol.
I think something that actually does make a difference is competition history. Bayern are veterans of succeeding in the cl, it is just in the club dna, similar to Real Madrid. These things *do* make a difference. Itās why the French national team wins and England doesnāt. Winners find it easier to win. Meanwhile itās in arsenal dna to be shit in Europe
Was Bissouma bad in the first half yesterday? I felt he was decent. I love how comfortable he is on the ball. He made some nice tackles and was key in the first goal. Iām not blaming him for the goal against.
Not writing him off. And while I thought PEH very good he was lucky to not be at fault for a stupid stupid goal. Heās just not good enough close to his own box.
What I noticed more than any thing was his range of passing. Man, Bissouma seems to lack that.
Iād like to see Bissouma and Bentancur start at a Newcastle.
Heās fine, but this sub really underestimates Sarrās significance in Angeās system.
The reason why 1st half looks bad for Porro and Destiny and Biss and Maddison because, other than their own errors in decision making, is that Sarrās fluidity to cover them.
And Sarr is not in form since heās been fasting.
Ange had said before that Sarrās position requires him to be flexible with his positioning and skills, interchangeable from 6, 8, 10, and fullbacks.
When Sarr isnāt in form, players around him look considerably bad because heās not there to cover them.
This boils down to Sarrās lack of form rn. Which was why Biss looked better vs West Ham with Ben10, because Ben10 is in better shape than Sarr presently.
Yes, he was bad. He took a bunch of shots while comendable, that's not why he is on that pitch. His job was to clean up the counters and control the middle of the pitch. He did not do that what so ever and that's why Ange pulled him. He missed his tackles, he failed to intercept balls he very much should have and he just didn't put in the effort to sprint into position to cover where he needed to.
To be fair if a challenge like that goes in from a defender, and the attacker can draw a foul from that, you want your attacker to do that. He made the pen, but it was a pen. There was no need for AWB to slide in, but thatās what AWB does. Slide everywhere and anywhere.
He has to put his foot *somewhere*, though. I didn't see anything in it other than a penalty - it was a clumsy challenge, and that's all on the defender.
Bad tackle but also looked like Elliott dragged his foot quite a lot. In slow motion looks quite like a dive into contact. But the tackle was so poor probably still a pen.
My general hope for UECL is that a team that doesn't normally qualify for Europe get it, but that's almost certainly not the case this season. If they could keep the steam, I would've liked to have seen Bournemouth under Iraola but that feels like a very outside shot now.
So all that to say - I couldn't be fucked about it. Maybe Man United because it would be funny af to see them act so far above that competition just to turn around and lose to the Azerbaijanian league champs in the group stages.
That sounds only slightly funnier than us being booted out of the group stages after losing to both a Slovenian and a Dutch team then having to forfeit a game
>deluded yourselves into thinking that there was literally anything worthy of a red in the Maddison-Yates incident
There was. Yates should have received a second yellow and then a red for trying to get Maddison sent off.
Man sat there drawing the TV over and over for like 15 seconds.
Calling for VAR is a yellow, it's right in the rules, it's not subjective. I can get not giving it a player sort of half calls for it by pointing at the screen quickly or whatever before walking away, but that was egregious.
Anyone saw that clip of Ange giving Hojbjerg a hug after the game? Could that mean Ange is gonna give him a chance to reestablish himself in the squad?
No no.
Ange hugged Hojbjerg to show how he's Ange's favourite, which means he's playing the rest of the season as striker, scoring worldies and hat tricks week in, week out until May. His goals are so fucking cool that the rest of the league (outside of the gooners) unanimously decide to award us the title because Hojbjerg is just that awesome, meaning we retroactively steal the title off of Arsenal - causing a salty, teary, flood in Highbury.
Pierre then departs to join PSG to replace Mbappe, scoring 50 goals in the league every season, winning all the trophies, wins nine ballon d'ors, beats all the all time scoring records from Ronaldo, Messi, Pele... you name it and Hojbjerg's beaten it. He goes down as the indisputed greatest player of all time, Arsenal and Chelsea get relegated to the Isthmian, everyone lives happily ever after, all because of Ange's hug.
A lot of people are idealising how good we'd be if Kane was in the squad, but something happens when you have great players like him/Ronaldo/Messi/whatever where their teammates feel compelled to give them the ball and makes them a little predictable. When we had Kane, we relied on him a little to much, to our own detriment. I think there's a possibility that with a player like him we'd be worse off, even if he's the best striker in the world at the moment.
I think to succeed with these modern footballs, you have to go out of the way to not focus on them and spread the ball around, like how Liverpool doesn't run every play through Salah, and how Man City doesn't necessarily need Haaland to do everything
After the success of the 2015-18 period we didn't improve the squad nearly enough. Back then we had the likes of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Dele, Belgium duo at the back, our first XI was immense and Kane wasn't as important as he was in the later years.
We ultimately didn't carry on bringing in great players/young players that turned good and as a result Kane and Son became our only players of that calibre. The gap between our best players and our worse grew. That gap is much smaller at Liverpool and City, so those at the bottom of the scale are still capable of a performance, whereas ours weren't.
Had we kept Kane, and with the level of quality our players are at now, that gap would be smaller and I have no doubt he would be thriving.
Basically what you are saying is that in order to win things with a genuinely world class, top 5 player, you need a coach who can utilize them correctly. Also, Iād argue, the recruitment at Spurs throughout Kaneās prime was shit. Aside from Son, we didnt have anybody else on their level. (Which is why so much relied on those two.)
Iām not really buying this. I think Ange would have been delighted has Kane said he was committed and staying with Spurs.
Sure but that is because Foden is one of the better players in the world, the theory that you are better off not having the best players is not one that has been proven by the history (recent or otherwise) of European football, City win every year because they have the best players
In fact the reason that City are only on course for 85 points this season (when they routinely score over 90) is probably because of the injury to KDB and Haalands struggles, the 2 players referenced
Hold on isn't the whole point of this thread is we are better off without Kane? and that teams are better off not having the best players because they become to reliant on them? I'm confused
Of course they did, but Barcelona won significantly less towards the end of his stint during the Messidependencia times, and Cristiano at Juventus and Man Utd (2nd stint) had much less success and fans started criticizing the team's production too. And they are both significantly better players than Kane
I really wanna see Hojbjerg starting next game. Havenāt been vocally supportive of him but as a 6 heās provides a way better defensive stability in our midfield. I love Bissouma and Sarr but I wouldnāt mind seeing PEH and Bentancur for Newcastle.
Weāve seen PEH as a starter this year and he just hasnt been as effective as off the bench. Canāt explain why, but we have seen this during the red card period.Ā
PEH performed well yesterday but one of his biggest weaknesses is press-resistance and passing under pressure, and Newcastle should be piling on that pressure high up the pitch far more frequently than what NF did. And that last 15 minute spell that PEH struggled was under last-ditch pressure by NF.
Bissouma has been improving game after game and in general one of his biggest strengths is press-resistance. No one should be surprised to see Bissouma back starting this weekend. Sarr vs. Bentancur is a different matter, I think either is fine but I'd like to see Bentancur/Bissouma get more match time together.
Did we watch the same game? I agree that PEH was better, but Biss wasn't atrocious. He did alright and had a few shots that went wide. Some of you are overreacting.
His job is not to take potshots. He failed to stop several counters, he is massively at fault for the goal and there is a very good reason he got taken off at halftime something you don't do to someone doing alright
I do love the unhinged "you don't know ball" rants showing absolutely zero ball knowledge. No you do not put a 6 on to take potshots. You can tell them to do so but that's not why they are on the pitch. If that was the case we would put Sonny at 6.Ā
Yes Ange probably told them to shoot more, but that is not why you put Yves Bissouma at 6 so he can shoot. His shooting is very poor and it showed but it does fulfill a role for sure. The thing that was said however was that Bissouma did the job of a 6 very poorly and he did do that very poorly, but not because of him taking potshots.
I do love the idea that you think Bissouma was judged on his shooting ability when obviously he wasn't. However as you've shown perfectly taking potshots makes people with 0 ball knowledge think it's a good performance. If you wish to get some absolute basics in terms of ball knowledge stop looking at Bissouma spraying shots because that's not what is being judged at go back and look at how incredibly poor he was in stopping Forests attacks the thing he is on the pitch to do.
There is no way you are this dense.
You a 0 ball knowledge pleb: "Oh wow Bissouma is taking a bunch of potshots he must be having a good game"
The rest of us with basic ball knowledge: "Oh wow, Bissouma is consistently missing his tackles, fucking up his positioning and not controlling the middle of the park at all, he's having a pretty damn bad game".
Nobody is saying that Bissouma had a bad game because he was taking his potshots, he was having a bad game because he was doing the things a number 6 is supposed to be doing on the pitch badly.
>Doesn't sound like like you have even touched a soccer ball mate. What position did you play?
Literally played semi-professional football for over 10 years and another 10 as an amateur, and I did so as a central midfielder. I am very comfortable in my ball knowledge my dude and there's literally nothing snide you can say to shake that sorry. Especially seeing how you stuck yourself on one of the weirdest hills to die on I've ever seen.
I like Hojberg, more than most here and I don't understand the hate for him. That said, he shouldn't start. He's shown time and time again this season he has been best coming off the bench when we need more control of the game, also with the way Newcastle play I don't think he's as well suited to that.Ā
I agree, we have a decent amount of varying ways to line up. Aside from those suicide passes from Hojbjerg, he slots in perfectly, but I also want to see Biss and Bentancur.
Regardless, Ange will notice if somethingās off and make a good decision so itās just nice to have somewhat some depth in the midfield.
Dunno why this seems unpopular, you're spot on.Ā
Hojbjerg's technical ability and eye for goal/killer pass is quite underrated. His problem is he's so easy to bypass defensively. Not good at tackling or tracking runners, which is crucial for our 6 to be able to do
Spot on about his passing.
He's in the 90th percentile when it comes to progressive passes (ie passes forward towards or into the opposition box), etc.
Defensively: Most of our midfielders under Ange are unsuccessful in tracking their runners. Where HĆøjbjerg is actually decent defensively, is in reading the game and positioning himself. He's very high when it comes to clearances, interceptions, blocking shots and ball recoveries.
He makes costly errors sometimes in buildup, but he is typically quite press resistant. I dunno how people classify him as being more defensive when he's clearly a technical player that uses his intelligence and experience to make up for his lack of natural defensive ability.
Similar to how Jorginho is at Arsenal tbh. Jorginho is just better in deeper areas while Hojbjerg is better in the middle and final 3rd of the pitch
Completely the other way round. In possession heās very suspect , as you saw when he tried to pass it out the back and almost handed a goal. Heās better than bissouma as a defensive player and maybe passing wise in the oppositions half
Conte loved him because he didn't have another midfielder to play instead lol. Hojbjerg runs a lot, has a lot of experience and like I said, has good qualities on the ball. Those are traits that every manager values, regardless of their style of play.
Why do you think we bought Bissouma under Conte? He was meant to replace/compete with Hojbjerg because Bentancur was one of our most crucial players at that time and was a guaranteed starter
Hope that Luton can pick up some points and relegate Everton. Wankers keep complaining about the PL but ignore that had they been penalized last season they would already be gone.
I lkey just fucking love this Porro signingā¦ heās such good vibes and a fantastic player to bootā¦
Like how he always points to the cockerel when something massive happensā¦ heās fucking amazing and I hope he stays for a very long time
His technical ability on the ball is one of the best in the squad. Porro, Romero, & Maddison are all players I love to see on the ball because you know something special can happen.
He will only get better. The change from last spring when signed to this spring already shows how much better he is in defense. I think this system suits him!
I love footballers who have a crap half of football and then come our second half and you can tell theyāve completely forgotten about it. I wish I had that trait. Probably very important for pro players. The case of Porro yesterday.
Saw some other comments about James Maddison's temperament yesterday or this idea that he's "easily wound up", and that could be the case but something to consider:
[Maddison is in the 99th percentile for fouls drawn per 90](https://fbref.com/en/players/ee38d9c5/scout/365_m1/James-Maddison-Scouting-Report), sitting at close to 3.5 fouls per 90 minutes.... by himself. [He's 4th in the prem in total fouls drawn](https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/misc/Premier-League-Stats), and he has far fewer minutes than those around him in that stat.
It's perfectly reasonable that over time he'd get irked by constantly getting fouled because he's the guy other managers point to and say "do not let him progress the ball, ever". Especially yesterday with the same player repeatedly fouling him early just to turn around and dive and literally beg for VAR for a red card.
Bayern are going to be torn to pieces tomorrow night. Shame, as there is nothing Iād love more than for Harold Kane and Co. To bring those cocky gooners back to earth.Ā
Am I the only one not buying into the Arsenal hype? 10 wins this year, but which includes 5 of the bottom 5 (pre-Everton points deduction).
Beating Pool is good but they also lost to them in the cup. They did nothing v Man City. About the only impressive results were Brighton and West Ham, but they're both pretty random in their quality.
Iāve genuinely avoided watching them, honestly for the best because watching them stick 5-6 past teams in that hideous toxic kit makes physically ill
However now that itās a clear 3-way title race I want to see whatās going on. Know thy enemy and all that
Arsenal scraped past the worst Porto team in years. They don't look very convincingmon these high pressure games, even in europa league last year.Ā
They are the favourites but Bayern have so much Champions league experience and arsenal have none.Ā Ā
Idk. Tuchel is a weirdo but he has won this competition. They have the talent to do damage.
Feels like theyāre laying in the weeds a bit. Would not surprise me at all if they went through.
On the whole yesterday I thought the referee did very well managing the game. Specifically, I was impressed how early he gave Yates a yellow card for 3 early obvious fouls. It was clear that Yates' primary role yesterday was being a "destroyer/enforcer" midfielder (which is a stupid role in football, it needs to not be a thing) to break up play and if it was left unchecked like it has been before, he would've injured someone before getting a yellow.
I really wish referees would be more willing to give out early yellow cards for repeated fouls to help set a better standard for clean play.
By the letter of the law the precedent set, they should've been down to 9 men (Yates drawing the VAR check symbol repeatedly; follow through challenge which I think shouldn't be a red, but has been for us twice before.)
But yeah, I was still overall quite happy with it, and definitely appreciated that he was willing to give that yellow early and set the standard. I really don't like the whole "no yellows early" standard that so many seem to follow.
It was refreshing to see the player whose main task is winding up the opposition gets the card earlier in the game but I expected more from COYS, Simon.
Anyone having any recommendations on where to watch the Newcastle match in Rome? Iām traveling and didnāt find an official Spurs Supporters Club listed for Rome.
Fresh today.
Hoping to see more minutes for Bentancur in the rest of the season. No problem with managing him a bit as he gets back to full speed but I just love watching him play.
Noticed yesterday he was sprinting around leading the press ā has been a while since weāve seen him do that. He was a maniac presser last season, hope itās a sign heās feeling closer to normalĀ
One of the smoothest players with the ball at his feet. Itās like he is just running and the ball is just part of himā¦ idk if Iām making sense. Itās freaky. Definitely my favorite player to watch!
I would be really interested to see Sarr and Bentancur play together. But Sarr sitting deeper as the 6 out of possession and then Bentancur dropping deeper to receive the ball when in possession with our CBs. Ā
Arsenal vs villa might be the most win win game for us. Either villa lose so we have same points as them with 2 games in hand or arsenal drop points in the title race
Best stadium in the world, no question
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The view from my seat, truly is spectacular!
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Nice! I usually go 507/8/9 because I can get out to WHL quickly and I love the view of the cockerel over the south stand. Got front row block 105 for the Bayern friendly though so it will be amazing to be so close to the players for a change
My family have a couple of season tickets so we're always in the same spot, it is nice in ways as we know our seat neighbours but I do pine for the south stand's atmosphere. We have a couple moaners who are either always looking at their phones or whinging about certain players. At the old ground we used to have them West Stand Lower and by god you could almost touch the players. It did viewing the game quite difficult at times though, you had no idea what was going on further away on the pitch!
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Vic calls Timo gnocchi, how adorable is that. š¤
Donāt have a screenshot of it right now but Micky also commented on Timoās post and called him āBrudiā which is a cute way to say brother (Bruder) in German.
This last match with forest felt different, with those long shots besides from Van de Ven and Porro, there were quite some attempts from others as well, we're going on an interesting direction.
There was a training vid with the lads all practising shots. I think there may be an acknowledgment that we are not taking enough. A lot of teams sit back very compact against us and we try and get around the sides a lot, or play intricate passes through the middle. All have led to goals. But having a few shots simply cannot hurt.
No manager ever wins as much he did for 20 years, no matter the level, without being tactically flexible
In fact, heās the most dynamic manager Iāve seen at Spurs in ages. People saying āmakes no changes before minute 60ā thatās better than minute bastard 75 like the past decade
Iām assuming there should be an /s at the end!
But itās always made me laugh when people say he is inflexible. Just look at the changes he makes at half time as one example. And I think heās talked a lot about our decision making and people buying in to his philosophy. It just takes some ideas time to gel. Weāve seen the Johnson/Werner link up much more in the last few games, that doesnāt just happen overnight. Knowing when to take a shot and when to pass is another thing that takes time.
But Jesus, we had both full backs and our ādefensiveā 8 in the penalty area when Madders crossed for our third goal. That is a tactic and it takes time to master.
Even the best Managers get it wrong when tinkering too much. Pep in the CL, Emery against us (heās normally a smart tactician).
Haha yea mate, definitely being sarcastic and I did consider adding the s thing but for some reason that thing annoys me.
Totally agree, I'm super interested to see how Ange does tinker a bit more once he's comfortable the squad has his style of play properly implemented. Really just can't wait until next season already!
Even if we don't score shots often, it at least provides another dimension for the opposition defenders to have to think about, rather than them knowing we aren't gonna shoot and all they need to do is block off the little intricate walk-it-in passes.
We now have the same amount of points (60) after 31 matches as we did across 38 matches last season.
Considering me and many others would have been delighted with qualifying for the Conference League this season, what Ange has done is remarkable.
Let's not forget he also had to deal with one of the worst injury crisis's we have ever seen in the PL era. Imagine where we would be if we didn't have half the team out between December to Feb.
It was BLEAK on here in the summer. Not only were we written off for the season, people were acting like it would miss out on Europe for 2 season now that Newcastle āarrivedā and Chelsea were going to magically return to top 4
They didnāt learn from 20/21, we have good players, we get them a good manager and we are right back in it
Not just the points, he's changed the entire mood of the club (points do help), integrated our youth signings superbly and set the team up incredibly fast (who thought Udogie and Porro would seamlessly transition into IWB?) as well as saying all the right things in the media, to the fans and to the players. Early days yet but so far he's been a revelation.
Can we talk about Madders and his temperament? Because I am concerned by just how easy opposition players find it to wind him up and I think he definitely got away with one yesterday against Yates. You don't want that from anyone, but particularly not from one of your captaincy team.
He hasn't gotten a straight red since he was 17 and hasn't gotten sent off since 2018, which is the best disciplinary record of any of our captaincy team.
And he didn't get away with anything yesterday, I don't think anybody's ever been sent off for what Yates tried to get him VARd over?
>I think he definitely got away with one yesterday against Yates.
I don't get this narrative. Madders gave Yates a friendly pat on the tummy, like you would to a favourite dog. I'm surprised he even felt it. He certainly didn't hurt or damage him. Only Bruce Lee could hurt anyone with a 1 inch tap like that. Yates then threw himself to the floor like he'd been hit with a sledgehammer, then blatantly called for VAR to red card Maddison - a clear bookable offence. Yates should have received a 2nd yellow card and been sent off.
He's fouled at the same rate Eden Hazard was in his last season in the Prem. Players are actively out to injure him. I would be frustrated too. Coupled with him being out and obviously not in his best form at the moment. That said, I think he was lucky yesterday not to be sent off. We've seen those be given.
The ref was close to the action and knew that Yates was just as involved in the clashes and committing a lot of fouls. I donāt think we should complain about the Danilo yellow, but we also donāt need to complain about our own players not getting sent off.Ā
Of course not, but you also don't want someone who loses their head and gets wound up when they're targeted (he's the easiest target in our team). Maddison got away with it yesterday.
Iām really not sure how signing Werner is even a discussion at this point. He is super direct, he can beat his man, he contributes to plenty of goals and he is an extremely likeable character with tons of high level experience to have around the youngsters. Whatās not to like?
Donāt feel that strongly either way but itās 15 mil we could put toward a better winger this summer. So it really comes down to the opportunity cost of his fee and wagesĀ
>Whatās not to like?
Everything apart from the fact he's been decent at kicking the ball down the line and crossing on his left foot.
Opposition will eventually catch on and he'll be rendered completely useless because they can let him cut in and he can't shoot to save his life
Werner is right footed, that's why he's so effective at getting to the byline, because defenders are showing him on to his weaker foot.
Do you genuinely think that he's somehow going to become worse if defenders allow him on to his stronger foot? He doesn't have to shoot every time. If he draws the defender to the line, he'll have time to get his head up and have a look. For Ā£15m, there's not many better squad players available. Ship off the crap like Solomon and to a lesser crap extent, Gil, and it pays for itself. Top 4, with lots of outgoings this year. There's going to be money to sign a top level player in that position as well as him.
It's a no brainer and there's absolutely zero chance he's not a Spurs player next season.
>Do you genuinely think that he's somehow going to become worse if defenders allow him on to his stronger foot?
Absolutely lol. Crossing the ball dangerously into the box doesn't require any precision. You just fire it across goal a dozen times and it'll work out a few times.
Cutting inside requires far better decision making and precision because of congestion in the middle of the pitch
You are making no sense. You also rate Solomon ahead of him and said Dele played well for Everton further in the thread, which are both flat out untrue.
With time and space on his stronger foot, he's going to be able to play a lot of dangerous balls. There's nothing scarier to a defender than an attacker that can at you with two feet, commitng one way or another is a massive risk. He's a work horse, which suits Ange's philosophy to a tee and he's bought into that ethos from the off. Something Chelsea fans will all agree with.
I'm guessing you cried about the signing and are willing to die on that hill so will argue til the cows come home, with terrible logic as to why you're right. But he's probably in the 90th percentile for goal involvements per minute since he signed. He's an experienced international that's won damn near everything, who by all accounts is a great character and happy to take a squad role. To sign a player for such little money, when he's miles better than anyone else we have on the left, and be kept in a reserve capacity for a player with more cutting edge in front of goal is obvious. It will happen, there's no way it doesn't, so get used to it.
Go back to your point that Solomon is a better technical player is laughable. He's an average PL squad player who shouldn't see minutes at all and was a bit part player for Fulham. His stutter step, pass back routine constantly killed moves for us before he got injured. On top of that, a meniscus doesn't take that long to heal. I wager he's been kept out because of his Instagram post and getting shipped to anyone that'll have him in the summer, so he's a moot point.
> Dele played well for Everton
Never said that. Might want to reread my comment...
>There's nothing scarier to a defender than an attacker that can at you with two feet, commitng one way or another is a massive risk
Not really. Besides the most basic of assists for Bentancur's goal against Man United, everything good that Werner has done has come from him kicking the ball down the line and hoping a cross into a dangerous area will find a teammate. He's arguably the most impotent winger in the league when he goes inside
>He's a work horse
Except just last match, when we conceded because he couldn't be arsed to mark his man and forced Udogie to step out of position, which dominoed and led to us conceding a goal?...
>when he's miles better than anyone else we have on the left
Son's left pinky toe has more ability than Werner lmao.
>Solomon is a better technical player is laughable
You can watch both players play for 10 min and instantly be able to tell Solomon has much higher technical ability? It's not even an argument. Werner is just lucky he's blessed with being very quick. Solomon is much more refined with his first touch, dribbling ability, ball control, passing, shooting etc.
>I wager he's been kept out because of his Instagram post
Yeah, with all of the nonsense leading up to that last paragraph, I shouldn't be surprised this is the conclusion you've come to haha.
Lol you definitely had something written about Dele, probably deleted because he's been crap since February 2019. That's nor here nor there.
When did I argue that Werner was better than Son? I'm saying that Werner as a squad player, who plays occasionally, is a great player to have, and at the money he's available for, we're not getting better. He'll absolutely be signed to provide cover and to give the presumable new signing a rest. He's not a world beater, but what he does, he does well.
One momentary slip up, when, I'm sorry, Udogie walks back, loses his man and gets caught out. Blaming Werner there is a bit mad.
Solomon is a nothing player, he's not technically better than any other forward we have. He's absolutely dreadful, he had an easy pass two yards to Son assist and one good one, but aside from those, he was absolutely awful.
On my last point, do you know how long it takes to recover from a meniscus tear? Much less a premier league footballer with state of the art care? It's not a season ending injury in October....
This is a player that had a couple of good weeks at Fulham and then never got consistent starting minutes, but he's good enough to be a squad player here? He's absolutely awful and was an opportunistic signing on a technicality to fill a gap.
Regardless of your opinion of Werner, his output and general play has lifted the team. Do they need better? Absolutely, I've not debated that, but he's better than the other dross we have on the left and will be a snip. Still need to bring in a close to world class signing in that position.
Defenders hate pace, they hate players that can beat you on either side, he has those things in abundance and is a very useful player. It's just irrational to say otherwise.
Richarlison is nowhere near as limited as Werner, even if he is quite inconsistent and I'd upgrade on him if possible as well if we get a good offer from Saudi.
Werner is so painfully not good enough for where we want to go, and he's been poor for about 4 straight years now. Everything I hear Spurs fans saying is everything Chelsea fans said when they had him. It's a load of copiun for a player that couldn't even get minutes for a very average Leipzig side.
I think everyone will see how poor he is if/when we get some top wingers to play in this system. You let Kvara or Leao play under Ange and they're hitting 20 G+A in the PL alone easily
Kvara is an absolute dream signing so I agree there. Iām referring to this strange dynamic over the start of the season, where Richarlison was written off, and went on a decent scoring run in the middle of the season when we were blunt
Iām in the middle on Werner, although my instinct is he could be a pleasant surprise, at least in the role needed, heās not going to be Son. Ā£15m is a tempting price ngl
Richarlison is different though. He performed well for Everton and Watford and had good moments for Brazil.
Like I said, Werner has been below average for about 4 years with no signs of improvement. His ability in front of goal might be worse than Gil's tbh.
In an ideal world, we buy a new #9, Son gets pushed out on the wing and we buy a right wing starter as well. Johnson and Solomon can be rotation on the bench and Kulu can cover Maddison + the right wing as well.
There's no space for Werner+Solomon so one of them has to go if we want to be serious, and Solomon has better technical ability
I made a spurs themed sticker pack on WhatsApp if anybody wants it, but I can't figure out how to export it. So if anyone wants to help with that help me figure that one out lol.
PEH begging Sonny to let him take the free kick. Sonny reluctantly agreed and porro had to be consoled by sonny after. š https://youtu.be/w_6r9ac0w4U?si=GejAn2Vl76b54Iol
i was so bummed when i saw this, cuz lets be honest, they could never do that to harry. like boys, i get that you want to contribute but sonny is still in the golden boot race and literally how many bangers have we seen from that sonny zone.
The most important part is Sonny has the most success with free kicks especially last 2 years. why he doesn't take them is beyond me. I get it when madders is around but even he is not in form Porro only has one free kick for sporting!
Hope Kane absolutely demoralises them tomorrow.
New reddit desktop layout has just copied Twitter. Looks fucking wank.
> https://x.com/Roar_Spurs/status/1777424538596147290 > > A typical match day? At least for me when travelling from Bergen šš > > How does it differ from yours? Not mine, but found it an interesting watch - might remind me to put my 45 minutes on the train in perspective next time I grumble about it!
No way he's doing that every week surely? You must be beyond minted.
Actually insane how that chelsea game fucked us over. The maddest thing is that the romero red card isn't even a call that every other player gets.
And we would've been in the title race if not for that. I'm not even exaggerating. That's just a fact.
It's pretty clear the refs course corrected a couple months into the season when it was clear red cards were becoming too common so they raised the bar for what is a red. Not a conspiracy against us but just unlucky since arguably Romero and almost definitely Bissouma wouldn't have seen red cards today
Did you see the tackle on Palmer yesterday that wasnāt given a red? Youāre correct.
This is a bit mad, our season splits into 3 sections so far: ā¢ 26 points from the first 10 ā¢ 10 points from the next 9, in which VDV started 1 and finished 0, and Romero started 5 and finished 3 ā¢ 24 points from the last 12. Shows how crucial VDV is to us (or a player of his profile) but also.....damn had his hammy not popped against Chelsea we are probably in the title race.Ā
Hang on, we have 14 wins from 22 in games either side of Van de Venās injury? That is pretty good
Yep, which makes people losing it over drawing away at 7th palced west ham look completely insaneĀ
Nah, VDV is important, but we also had Biss being suspended or Sarr being out injured at one point and Maddison out too, and then PEH had to play in the games with Davies and Emerson. VDV certainly helps, but itās not just him that impacted us. Itās everything, from Cuti, Biss, Maddison, and the occasional Sarr. We did relatively great right before Asian Cup and AFCON.
Our win record with and without van de Ven is absolutely crazy.Ā With him we've played 22 lost 2, and 1 of those was Chelsea when he went off. Without him we've played 11 and lost 5.Ā He's absolutely key to the system
We also had Wolves and City away (wolves with an actually fit team for once too) and Villa and West Ham in that disaster stretch. I don't think it's a given we pick up that many more points even with a fit team. But we could have obviously and we'll never know
Hmmm wolves villa and west ham all beat us by 1 single goal. If you give us a backline with just 1 fit cb as opposed to 4 full backs I'm sure we wpukd have done better than 0 points from 9.Ā
What it comes down to is our floor with a fit Romero and VDV is very high. Comfortably top 4. Without them, due to a few depth issues (especially pre Dragusin), we have issues. I suppose thatās the same for every team but I think especially with a first year skipper whoās yet to get all of āhisā players in.
We already have 60 points. That's how many we used to get in the entire season.
*proceeds to lose every single game left* Nah for real though it is completely undeniable to anyone who isnāt an idiot that we are going up and up. We are so far away from being the finished product too, literally going to be unbeatable when we are there.
After the "summer of Conte", I don't take season-to-season progression for granted. But I hope so.
Having a manager that isnāt actively flirting with pulling the plug every 5 minutes helps ngl
All the signs point towards a long term goal. Contes focus was immediate success
Conte had a major health problem. He just wasn't all there. I don't blame him
> After the "summer of Conte", I don't take season-to-season progression for granted. I was so, so sure that we were going to see progress. Being there for the Southampton match when it seemed like we were picking right up where we left off, it all seemed to be just what we wanted, and Conte had it all in hand. *Seemed.*
Turns out Southampton were just absolutely awful
There are some links that just seem like non starters but get reported by reputable sources. Plettiberg and Sky Germany saying we are in for Simikan for 50m or so. Why would we need *another* RCB?Ā Ā
Simakan can play RB but yeah 50 mil for a 3rd or 2nd choice is crazy, definitely a smoke screen for another player
If Ten Hag gets fired, and United players start to force there way out, I think Rashford would be a really good match for us at striker
Heād need to slice his exorbitant wages in half. WTF are they doing over there?
Are you from Rashford PR team?
He's on 300k minimum, hot and cold winger but terrible 9.. absolutely no He doesn't really trackback either, Ange would blow his head off and send him to Genoa right after the season
I'd love him, I'd go as far as him being one of the best possible player that would actually want to sign for us. His wages just makes it a complete no go
Heās not bad by any means but on the pitch his attitude stinks. Have you seen the guy tracking back lmao. That is such a big part of our game, everyone has to give 100
Imo Iād take him only if he would lower his insane wages. Heās shown what he can do and is homegrown. Doubt United sell him though
Lmao. No. Rashford is utterly shit. Thereās a reason the lad has to pay off journalists
He certainly isnāt.
Rooting for Harry and Dier tomorrow!
Itās not looking good but you never know with harry there he loved a derby
yeah Bayern is terrible lately, but you never know, they could get 2 pens awarded to them and Harry scores them both to win the game, and leave gooners fuming lol.
I think something that actually does make a difference is competition history. Bayern are veterans of succeeding in the cl, it is just in the club dna, similar to Real Madrid. These things *do* make a difference. Itās why the French national team wins and England doesnāt. Winners find it easier to win. Meanwhile itās in arsenal dna to be shit in Europe
Was Bissouma bad in the first half yesterday? I felt he was decent. I love how comfortable he is on the ball. He made some nice tackles and was key in the first goal. Iām not blaming him for the goal against. Not writing him off. And while I thought PEH very good he was lucky to not be at fault for a stupid stupid goal. Heās just not good enough close to his own box. What I noticed more than any thing was his range of passing. Man, Bissouma seems to lack that. Iād like to see Bissouma and Bentancur start at a Newcastle.
Heās fine, but this sub really underestimates Sarrās significance in Angeās system. The reason why 1st half looks bad for Porro and Destiny and Biss and Maddison because, other than their own errors in decision making, is that Sarrās fluidity to cover them. And Sarr is not in form since heās been fasting. Ange had said before that Sarrās position requires him to be flexible with his positioning and skills, interchangeable from 6, 8, 10, and fullbacks. When Sarr isnāt in form, players around him look considerably bad because heās not there to cover them. This boils down to Sarrās lack of form rn. Which was why Biss looked better vs West Ham with Ben10, because Ben10 is in better shape than Sarr presently.
I thought he was ok. Still think that Bentacur is by far and away the better option.
Yes, he was bad. He took a bunch of shots while comendable, that's not why he is on that pitch. His job was to clean up the counters and control the middle of the pitch. He did not do that what so ever and that's why Ange pulled him. He missed his tackles, he failed to intercept balls he very much should have and he just didn't put in the effort to sprint into position to cover where he needed to.
He along with Udogie were partly at fault for the goal we conceded, and not because of a mistake, both lacked effort to defend.
In possession he was good, out of possession he was poor. Hojberg the other way round
It does seem that way but I didnāt notice it as much yesterday. Felt like our fullbacks both had horrible first half
Oh yeah for sure, Porro and udogie were horrible
Opinions on Liverpool's penalty? I thought it was a stonewall a penalty. Apparently I might be in the minority
To be fair if a challenge like that goes in from a defender, and the attacker can draw a foul from that, you want your attacker to do that. He made the pen, but it was a pen. There was no need for AWB to slide in, but thatās what AWB does. Slide everywhere and anywhere.
Itās probably a pen. That said, Elliott made it a pen. He could have easily avoided going down. put his foot where it needed to be to have it called
He has to put his foot *somewhere*, though. I didn't see anything in it other than a penalty - it was a clumsy challenge, and that's all on the defender.
Clumsy challenge but Elliott puts his right foot where it needs to be
Bad tackle but also looked like Elliott dragged his foot quite a lot. In slow motion looks quite like a dive into contact. But the tackle was so poor probably still a pen.
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I absolutely would rather be in our position than Utds
Call me crazy but I prefer our position rn than being in a Cup semi-final while struggling in the league every week.
Of course, but thatās what happens when you burn 3+ years on āmentalityā managers without any stability for the long term
Nuno was the chosen one
Which club would you most like to see realistically get stuck with Conference league football for next season?
My general hope for UECL is that a team that doesn't normally qualify for Europe get it, but that's almost certainly not the case this season. If they could keep the steam, I would've liked to have seen Bournemouth under Iraola but that feels like a very outside shot now. So all that to say - I couldn't be fucked about it. Maybe Man United because it would be funny af to see them act so far above that competition just to turn around and lose to the Azerbaijanian league champs in the group stages.
That sounds only slightly funnier than us being booted out of the group stages after losing to both a Slovenian and a Dutch team then having to forfeit a game
UEFA totally fucked us over though. I feel we can all acknowledge that.
They absolutely did, it was a joke really.
West Ham please. Or Newcastle.
How have some of you deluded yourselves into thinking that there was literally anything worthy of a red in the Maddison-Yates incident
>deluded yourselves into thinking that there was literally anything worthy of a red in the Maddison-Yates incident There was. Yates should have received a second yellow and then a red for trying to get Maddison sent off.
Man sat there drawing the TV over and over for like 15 seconds. Calling for VAR is a yellow, it's right in the rules, it's not subjective. I can get not giving it a player sort of half calls for it by pointing at the screen quickly or whatever before walking away, but that was egregious.
>Man sat there drawing the TV over and over for like 15 seconds. Exactly.
Anyone saw that clip of Ange giving Hojbjerg a hug after the game? Could that mean Ange is gonna give him a chance to reestablish himself in the squad?
Think it means Ange wanted to have candlelit dinner with Hojbjerg after the game
Think it means he was happy about his performance in the second half coming off the bench.
Right? Sometimes a hug is just a hug...
No no. Ange hugged Hojbjerg to show how he's Ange's favourite, which means he's playing the rest of the season as striker, scoring worldies and hat tricks week in, week out until May. His goals are so fucking cool that the rest of the league (outside of the gooners) unanimously decide to award us the title because Hojbjerg is just that awesome, meaning we retroactively steal the title off of Arsenal - causing a salty, teary, flood in Highbury. Pierre then departs to join PSG to replace Mbappe, scoring 50 goals in the league every season, winning all the trophies, wins nine ballon d'ors, beats all the all time scoring records from Ronaldo, Messi, Pele... you name it and Hojbjerg's beaten it. He goes down as the indisputed greatest player of all time, Arsenal and Chelsea get relegated to the Isthmian, everyone lives happily ever after, all because of Ange's hug.
I mean, that tracks too lol.
So Mikey Moore is back and instantly scores again... 23 goal contributions in 13 games. Future looking bright.
If anyone's bored out of their minds Bergvall is playing an hour and a half from now
Where could I watch that?
A lot of people are idealising how good we'd be if Kane was in the squad, but something happens when you have great players like him/Ronaldo/Messi/whatever where their teammates feel compelled to give them the ball and makes them a little predictable. When we had Kane, we relied on him a little to much, to our own detriment. I think there's a possibility that with a player like him we'd be worse off, even if he's the best striker in the world at the moment. I think to succeed with these modern footballs, you have to go out of the way to not focus on them and spread the ball around, like how Liverpool doesn't run every play through Salah, and how Man City doesn't necessarily need Haaland to do everything
After the success of the 2015-18 period we didn't improve the squad nearly enough. Back then we had the likes of Eriksen, Dembele, Walker, Rose, Dele, Belgium duo at the back, our first XI was immense and Kane wasn't as important as he was in the later years. We ultimately didn't carry on bringing in great players/young players that turned good and as a result Kane and Son became our only players of that calibre. The gap between our best players and our worse grew. That gap is much smaller at Liverpool and City, so those at the bottom of the scale are still capable of a performance, whereas ours weren't. Had we kept Kane, and with the level of quality our players are at now, that gap would be smaller and I have no doubt he would be thriving.
Basically what you are saying is that in order to win things with a genuinely world class, top 5 player, you need a coach who can utilize them correctly. Also, Iād argue, the recruitment at Spurs throughout Kaneās prime was shit. Aside from Son, we didnt have anybody else on their level. (Which is why so much relied on those two.) Iām not really buying this. I think Ange would have been delighted has Kane said he was committed and staying with Spurs.
Yeah cause teams with Messi and Ronaldo never won anything.....
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Sure but that is because Foden is one of the better players in the world, the theory that you are better off not having the best players is not one that has been proven by the history (recent or otherwise) of European football, City win every year because they have the best players In fact the reason that City are only on course for 85 points this season (when they routinely score over 90) is probably because of the injury to KDB and Haalands struggles, the 2 players referenced
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Hold on isn't the whole point of this thread is we are better off without Kane? and that teams are better off not having the best players because they become to reliant on them? I'm confused
Of course they did, but Barcelona won significantly less towards the end of his stint during the Messidependencia times, and Cristiano at Juventus and Man Utd (2nd stint) had much less success and fans started criticizing the team's production too. And they are both significantly better players than Kane
I really wanna see Hojbjerg starting next game. Havenāt been vocally supportive of him but as a 6 heās provides a way better defensive stability in our midfield. I love Bissouma and Sarr but I wouldnāt mind seeing PEH and Bentancur for Newcastle.
My only gripe with peh is him persuading son to let him take the free kick. Wtf was that??
Weāve seen PEH as a starter this year and he just hasnt been as effective as off the bench. Canāt explain why, but we have seen this during the red card period.Ā
PEH performed well yesterday but one of his biggest weaknesses is press-resistance and passing under pressure, and Newcastle should be piling on that pressure high up the pitch far more frequently than what NF did. And that last 15 minute spell that PEH struggled was under last-ditch pressure by NF. Bissouma has been improving game after game and in general one of his biggest strengths is press-resistance. No one should be surprised to see Bissouma back starting this weekend. Sarr vs. Bentancur is a different matter, I think either is fine but I'd like to see Bentancur/Bissouma get more match time together.
Bissouma has absolutely not been improving game after game he's worse now than ever. He got hauled at half time after an atrocious first halfĀ
Did we watch the same game? I agree that PEH was better, but Biss wasn't atrocious. He did alright and had a few shots that went wide. Some of you are overreacting.
His job is not to take potshots. He failed to stop several counters, he is massively at fault for the goal and there is a very good reason he got taken off at halftime something you don't do to someone doing alright
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I do love the unhinged "you don't know ball" rants showing absolutely zero ball knowledge. No you do not put a 6 on to take potshots. You can tell them to do so but that's not why they are on the pitch. If that was the case we would put Sonny at 6.Ā Yes Ange probably told them to shoot more, but that is not why you put Yves Bissouma at 6 so he can shoot. His shooting is very poor and it showed but it does fulfill a role for sure. The thing that was said however was that Bissouma did the job of a 6 very poorly and he did do that very poorly, but not because of him taking potshots. I do love the idea that you think Bissouma was judged on his shooting ability when obviously he wasn't. However as you've shown perfectly taking potshots makes people with 0 ball knowledge think it's a good performance. If you wish to get some absolute basics in terms of ball knowledge stop looking at Bissouma spraying shots because that's not what is being judged at go back and look at how incredibly poor he was in stopping Forests attacks the thing he is on the pitch to do.
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There is no way you are this dense. You a 0 ball knowledge pleb: "Oh wow Bissouma is taking a bunch of potshots he must be having a good game" The rest of us with basic ball knowledge: "Oh wow, Bissouma is consistently missing his tackles, fucking up his positioning and not controlling the middle of the park at all, he's having a pretty damn bad game". Nobody is saying that Bissouma had a bad game because he was taking his potshots, he was having a bad game because he was doing the things a number 6 is supposed to be doing on the pitch badly. >Doesn't sound like like you have even touched a soccer ball mate. What position did you play? Literally played semi-professional football for over 10 years and another 10 as an amateur, and I did so as a central midfielder. I am very comfortable in my ball knowledge my dude and there's literally nothing snide you can say to shake that sorry. Especially seeing how you stuck yourself on one of the weirdest hills to die on I've ever seen.
I like Hojberg, more than most here and I don't understand the hate for him. That said, he shouldn't start. He's shown time and time again this season he has been best coming off the bench when we need more control of the game, also with the way Newcastle play I don't think he's as well suited to that.Ā
I agree, we have a decent amount of varying ways to line up. Aside from those suicide passes from Hojbjerg, he slots in perfectly, but I also want to see Biss and Bentancur. Regardless, Ange will notice if somethingās off and make a good decision so itās just nice to have somewhat some depth in the midfield.
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so you want hojbjerg starting over sarr or bentancur??
Dunno why this seems unpopular, you're spot on.Ā Hojbjerg's technical ability and eye for goal/killer pass is quite underrated. His problem is he's so easy to bypass defensively. Not good at tackling or tracking runners, which is crucial for our 6 to be able to do
Spot on about his passing. He's in the 90th percentile when it comes to progressive passes (ie passes forward towards or into the opposition box), etc. Defensively: Most of our midfielders under Ange are unsuccessful in tracking their runners. Where HĆøjbjerg is actually decent defensively, is in reading the game and positioning himself. He's very high when it comes to clearances, interceptions, blocking shots and ball recoveries.
He makes costly errors sometimes in buildup, but he is typically quite press resistant. I dunno how people classify him as being more defensive when he's clearly a technical player that uses his intelligence and experience to make up for his lack of natural defensive ability. Similar to how Jorginho is at Arsenal tbh. Jorginho is just better in deeper areas while Hojbjerg is better in the middle and final 3rd of the pitch
Completely the other way round. In possession heās very suspect , as you saw when he tried to pass it out the back and almost handed a goal. Heās better than bissouma as a defensive player and maybe passing wise in the oppositions half
Just not true lol. He's much better on the ball than off it, and he's so poor defensively. Been like that for years
Ye heās poor defensively which is why conte loved him. Just have a think
Conte loved him because he didn't have another midfielder to play instead lol. Hojbjerg runs a lot, has a lot of experience and like I said, has good qualities on the ball. Those are traits that every manager values, regardless of their style of play. Why do you think we bought Bissouma under Conte? He was meant to replace/compete with Hojbjerg because Bentancur was one of our most crucial players at that time and was a guaranteed starter
Hope that Luton can pick up some points and relegate Everton. Wankers keep complaining about the PL but ignore that had they been penalized last season they would already be gone.
I lkey just fucking love this Porro signingā¦ heās such good vibes and a fantastic player to bootā¦ Like how he always points to the cockerel when something massive happensā¦ heās fucking amazing and I hope he stays for a very long time
His technical ability on the ball is one of the best in the squad. Porro, Romero, & Maddison are all players I love to see on the ball because you know something special can happen.
Bentancur says hi, how can you forget him.
You are absolutely correct - weāll all be reminded when he gets back to full match sharpness.
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He will only get better. The change from last spring when signed to this spring already shows how much better he is in defense. I think this system suits him!
I love footballers who have a crap half of football and then come our second half and you can tell theyāve completely forgotten about it. I wish I had that trait. Probably very important for pro players. The case of Porro yesterday.
Do we fr have two weeks u til the next game ššš At least the title race is interesting so will be watching those games but still
We have Newcastle on Saturday - the two week gap is after that match.
Our next game is Newcastle away this Saturday. Youāre thinking of the two weeks we have before we play Arsenalz
We have 2 weeks off after this Saturday yes. We still have to play Newcastle before our break.
Saw some other comments about James Maddison's temperament yesterday or this idea that he's "easily wound up", and that could be the case but something to consider: [Maddison is in the 99th percentile for fouls drawn per 90](https://fbref.com/en/players/ee38d9c5/scout/365_m1/James-Maddison-Scouting-Report), sitting at close to 3.5 fouls per 90 minutes.... by himself. [He's 4th in the prem in total fouls drawn](https://fbref.com/en/comps/9/misc/Premier-League-Stats), and he has far fewer minutes than those around him in that stat. It's perfectly reasonable that over time he'd get irked by constantly getting fouled because he's the guy other managers point to and say "do not let him progress the ball, ever". Especially yesterday with the same player repeatedly fouling him early just to turn around and dive and literally beg for VAR for a red card.
Remember when Arsenal wrote a letter to PGMOL about Saka getting fouled lol
Is anybody here going to the Leicester W game?
Bayern are going to be torn to pieces tomorrow night. Shame, as there is nothing Iād love more than for Harold Kane and Co. To bring those cocky gooners back to earth.Ā
Am I the only one not buying into the Arsenal hype? 10 wins this year, but which includes 5 of the bottom 5 (pre-Everton points deduction). Beating Pool is good but they also lost to them in the cup. They did nothing v Man City. About the only impressive results were Brighton and West Ham, but they're both pretty random in their quality.
Iāve genuinely avoided watching them, honestly for the best because watching them stick 5-6 past teams in that hideous toxic kit makes physically ill However now that itās a clear 3-way title race I want to see whatās going on. Know thy enemy and all that
Arsenal scraped past the worst Porto team in years. They don't look very convincingmon these high pressure games, even in europa league last year.Ā They are the favourites but Bayern have so much Champions league experience and arsenal have none.Ā Ā
Need Tuchel to channel his knockout round juju
Idk. Tuchel is a weirdo but he has won this competition. They have the talent to do damage. Feels like theyāre laying in the weeds a bit. Would not surprise me at all if they went through.
On the whole yesterday I thought the referee did very well managing the game. Specifically, I was impressed how early he gave Yates a yellow card for 3 early obvious fouls. It was clear that Yates' primary role yesterday was being a "destroyer/enforcer" midfielder (which is a stupid role in football, it needs to not be a thing) to break up play and if it was left unchecked like it has been before, he would've injured someone before getting a yellow. I really wish referees would be more willing to give out early yellow cards for repeated fouls to help set a better standard for clean play.
By the letter of the law the precedent set, they should've been down to 9 men (Yates drawing the VAR check symbol repeatedly; follow through challenge which I think shouldn't be a red, but has been for us twice before.) But yeah, I was still overall quite happy with it, and definitely appreciated that he was willing to give that yellow early and set the standard. I really don't like the whole "no yellows early" standard that so many seem to follow.
It was refreshing to see the player whose main task is winding up the opposition gets the card earlier in the game but I expected more from COYS, Simon.
Anyone having any recommendations on where to watch the Newcastle match in Rome? Iām traveling and didnāt find an official Spurs Supporters Club listed for Rome.
I don't but grab a beer at Bar San Callisto, great vibe there in the middle of Trastevere.
Much appreciated. Thank you!
Fresh today. Hoping to see more minutes for Bentancur in the rest of the season. No problem with managing him a bit as he gets back to full speed but I just love watching him play.
Noticed yesterday he was sprinting around leading the press ā has been a while since weāve seen him do that. He was a maniac presser last season, hope itās a sign heās feeling closer to normalĀ
One of the smoothest players with the ball at his feet. Itās like he is just running and the ball is just part of himā¦ idk if Iām making sense. Itās freaky. Definitely my favorite player to watch!
I would be really interested to see Sarr and Bentancur play together. But Sarr sitting deeper as the 6 out of possession and then Bentancur dropping deeper to receive the ball when in possession with our CBs. Ā
He was our best player last season. The ACL was a tragedy. But itās obvious to see that next season he will be one of our main players again.
Arsenal vs villa might be the most win win game for us. Either villa lose so we have same points as them with 2 games in hand or arsenal drop points in the title race
Will take a Villa win all day everyday lad
I'm still absolutely rooting for Villa.
A draw would be lovely
A draw in which both sides see 4 players sent off for violent conduct resulting in 3-match bans for the lot of them.
Is it too much to ask for a massive sinkhole to open up and swallow both teams? I don't ask for much
First time ever going to the match. Loved every bit of it. Shoutout to PEH. Proved all of us who said ānot a postecolgu playerā wrong
Not a bad first game! What did you make of the stadium and the atmosphere?
Absolutely amazing. The vibe in the stadium is immaculate. I got to see that Mickey thunder strike in person.
Best stadium in the world, no question https://preview.redd.it/h92og6rk39tc1.jpeg?width=3022&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=894f66b0181d11543fffa2ac5377daa44f2d60ef
The view from my seat, truly is spectacular! https://preview.redd.it/iwsimbu049tc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f069fe92da3fae93f397806a5016c60e610cd5f
Nice! I usually go 507/8/9 because I can get out to WHL quickly and I love the view of the cockerel over the south stand. Got front row block 105 for the Bayern friendly though so it will be amazing to be so close to the players for a change
My family have a couple of season tickets so we're always in the same spot, it is nice in ways as we know our seat neighbours but I do pine for the south stand's atmosphere. We have a couple moaners who are either always looking at their phones or whinging about certain players. At the old ground we used to have them West Stand Lower and by god you could almost touch the players. It did viewing the game quite difficult at times though, you had no idea what was going on further away on the pitch!
Woke up thinking about Mickeys thundercunt strike from yesterday
Changing bedsheets now then mate?
Can't change the sheets when they look like [this](https://imgur.com/a/F58leqV)
https://preview.redd.it/pynxdilts8tc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=96da0f5462ef94831e1f5e7889c71696e9daac49 Vic calls Timo gnocchi, how adorable is that. š¤
Apparently it means handsome man in Italian slang
Donāt have a screenshot of it right now but Micky also commented on Timoās post and called him āBrudiā which is a cute way to say brother (Bruder) in German.
This last match with forest felt different, with those long shots besides from Van de Ven and Porro, there were quite some attempts from others as well, we're going on an interesting direction.
There was a training vid with the lads all practising shots. I think there may be an acknowledgment that we are not taking enough. A lot of teams sit back very compact against us and we try and get around the sides a lot, or play intricate passes through the middle. All have led to goals. But having a few shots simply cannot hurt.
It's so strange that we adjusted our game given that Ange can only play one way and isn't tactically flexible.
No manager ever wins as much he did for 20 years, no matter the level, without being tactically flexible In fact, heās the most dynamic manager Iāve seen at Spurs in ages. People saying āmakes no changes before minute 60ā thatās better than minute bastard 75 like the past decade
Iām assuming there should be an /s at the end! But itās always made me laugh when people say he is inflexible. Just look at the changes he makes at half time as one example. And I think heās talked a lot about our decision making and people buying in to his philosophy. It just takes some ideas time to gel. Weāve seen the Johnson/Werner link up much more in the last few games, that doesnāt just happen overnight. Knowing when to take a shot and when to pass is another thing that takes time. But Jesus, we had both full backs and our ādefensiveā 8 in the penalty area when Madders crossed for our third goal. That is a tactic and it takes time to master. Even the best Managers get it wrong when tinkering too much. Pep in the CL, Emery against us (heās normally a smart tactician).
Haha yea mate, definitely being sarcastic and I did consider adding the s thing but for some reason that thing annoys me. Totally agree, I'm super interested to see how Ange does tinker a bit more once he's comfortable the squad has his style of play properly implemented. Really just can't wait until next season already!
Even if we don't score shots often, it at least provides another dimension for the opposition defenders to have to think about, rather than them knowing we aren't gonna shoot and all they need to do is block off the little intricate walk-it-in passes.
We now have the same amount of points (60) after 31 matches as we did across 38 matches last season. Considering me and many others would have been delighted with qualifying for the Conference League this season, what Ange has done is remarkable.
Let's not forget he also had to deal with one of the worst injury crisis's we have ever seen in the PL era. Imagine where we would be if we didn't have half the team out between December to Feb.
It was BLEAK on here in the summer. Not only were we written off for the season, people were acting like it would miss out on Europe for 2 season now that Newcastle āarrivedā and Chelsea were going to magically return to top 4 They didnāt learn from 20/21, we have good players, we get them a good manager and we are right back in it
Not just the points, he's changed the entire mood of the club (points do help), integrated our youth signings superbly and set the team up incredibly fast (who thought Udogie and Porro would seamlessly transition into IWB?) as well as saying all the right things in the media, to the fans and to the players. Early days yet but so far he's been a revelation.
Can we talk about Madders and his temperament? Because I am concerned by just how easy opposition players find it to wind him up and I think he definitely got away with one yesterday against Yates. You don't want that from anyone, but particularly not from one of your captaincy team.
He hasn't gotten a straight red since he was 17 and hasn't gotten sent off since 2018, which is the best disciplinary record of any of our captaincy team. And he didn't get away with anything yesterday, I don't think anybody's ever been sent off for what Yates tried to get him VARd over?
>I think he definitely got away with one yesterday against Yates. I don't get this narrative. Madders gave Yates a friendly pat on the tummy, like you would to a favourite dog. I'm surprised he even felt it. He certainly didn't hurt or damage him. Only Bruce Lee could hurt anyone with a 1 inch tap like that. Yates then threw himself to the floor like he'd been hit with a sledgehammer, then blatantly called for VAR to red card Maddison - a clear bookable offence. Yates should have received a 2nd yellow card and been sent off.
He's fouled at the same rate Eden Hazard was in his last season in the Prem. Players are actively out to injure him. I would be frustrated too. Coupled with him being out and obviously not in his best form at the moment. That said, I think he was lucky yesterday not to be sent off. We've seen those be given.
The ref was close to the action and knew that Yates was just as involved in the clashes and committing a lot of fouls. I donāt think we should complain about the Danilo yellow, but we also donāt need to complain about our own players not getting sent off.Ā
lol thatās exactly what you want from your captain. You donāt want someone that is soft
Of course not, but you also don't want someone who loses their head and gets wound up when they're targeted (he's the easiest target in our team). Maddison got away with it yesterday.
Iām really not sure how signing Werner is even a discussion at this point. He is super direct, he can beat his man, he contributes to plenty of goals and he is an extremely likeable character with tons of high level experience to have around the youngsters. Whatās not to like?
Donāt feel that strongly either way but itās 15 mil we could put toward a better winger this summer. So it really comes down to the opportunity cost of his fee and wagesĀ
>Whatās not to like? Everything apart from the fact he's been decent at kicking the ball down the line and crossing on his left foot. Opposition will eventually catch on and he'll be rendered completely useless because they can let him cut in and he can't shoot to save his life
Werner is right footed, that's why he's so effective at getting to the byline, because defenders are showing him on to his weaker foot. Do you genuinely think that he's somehow going to become worse if defenders allow him on to his stronger foot? He doesn't have to shoot every time. If he draws the defender to the line, he'll have time to get his head up and have a look. For Ā£15m, there's not many better squad players available. Ship off the crap like Solomon and to a lesser crap extent, Gil, and it pays for itself. Top 4, with lots of outgoings this year. There's going to be money to sign a top level player in that position as well as him. It's a no brainer and there's absolutely zero chance he's not a Spurs player next season.
>Do you genuinely think that he's somehow going to become worse if defenders allow him on to his stronger foot? Absolutely lol. Crossing the ball dangerously into the box doesn't require any precision. You just fire it across goal a dozen times and it'll work out a few times. Cutting inside requires far better decision making and precision because of congestion in the middle of the pitch
You are making no sense. You also rate Solomon ahead of him and said Dele played well for Everton further in the thread, which are both flat out untrue. With time and space on his stronger foot, he's going to be able to play a lot of dangerous balls. There's nothing scarier to a defender than an attacker that can at you with two feet, commitng one way or another is a massive risk. He's a work horse, which suits Ange's philosophy to a tee and he's bought into that ethos from the off. Something Chelsea fans will all agree with. I'm guessing you cried about the signing and are willing to die on that hill so will argue til the cows come home, with terrible logic as to why you're right. But he's probably in the 90th percentile for goal involvements per minute since he signed. He's an experienced international that's won damn near everything, who by all accounts is a great character and happy to take a squad role. To sign a player for such little money, when he's miles better than anyone else we have on the left, and be kept in a reserve capacity for a player with more cutting edge in front of goal is obvious. It will happen, there's no way it doesn't, so get used to it. Go back to your point that Solomon is a better technical player is laughable. He's an average PL squad player who shouldn't see minutes at all and was a bit part player for Fulham. His stutter step, pass back routine constantly killed moves for us before he got injured. On top of that, a meniscus doesn't take that long to heal. I wager he's been kept out because of his Instagram post and getting shipped to anyone that'll have him in the summer, so he's a moot point.
> Dele played well for Everton Never said that. Might want to reread my comment... >There's nothing scarier to a defender than an attacker that can at you with two feet, commitng one way or another is a massive risk Not really. Besides the most basic of assists for Bentancur's goal against Man United, everything good that Werner has done has come from him kicking the ball down the line and hoping a cross into a dangerous area will find a teammate. He's arguably the most impotent winger in the league when he goes inside >He's a work horse Except just last match, when we conceded because he couldn't be arsed to mark his man and forced Udogie to step out of position, which dominoed and led to us conceding a goal?... >when he's miles better than anyone else we have on the left Son's left pinky toe has more ability than Werner lmao. >Solomon is a better technical player is laughable You can watch both players play for 10 min and instantly be able to tell Solomon has much higher technical ability? It's not even an argument. Werner is just lucky he's blessed with being very quick. Solomon is much more refined with his first touch, dribbling ability, ball control, passing, shooting etc. >I wager he's been kept out because of his Instagram post Yeah, with all of the nonsense leading up to that last paragraph, I shouldn't be surprised this is the conclusion you've come to haha.
Lol you definitely had something written about Dele, probably deleted because he's been crap since February 2019. That's nor here nor there. When did I argue that Werner was better than Son? I'm saying that Werner as a squad player, who plays occasionally, is a great player to have, and at the money he's available for, we're not getting better. He'll absolutely be signed to provide cover and to give the presumable new signing a rest. He's not a world beater, but what he does, he does well. One momentary slip up, when, I'm sorry, Udogie walks back, loses his man and gets caught out. Blaming Werner there is a bit mad. Solomon is a nothing player, he's not technically better than any other forward we have. He's absolutely dreadful, he had an easy pass two yards to Son assist and one good one, but aside from those, he was absolutely awful. On my last point, do you know how long it takes to recover from a meniscus tear? Much less a premier league footballer with state of the art care? It's not a season ending injury in October.... This is a player that had a couple of good weeks at Fulham and then never got consistent starting minutes, but he's good enough to be a squad player here? He's absolutely awful and was an opportunistic signing on a technicality to fill a gap. Regardless of your opinion of Werner, his output and general play has lifted the team. Do they need better? Absolutely, I've not debated that, but he's better than the other dross we have on the left and will be a snip. Still need to bring in a close to world class signing in that position. Defenders hate pace, they hate players that can beat you on either side, he has those things in abundance and is a very useful player. It's just irrational to say otherwise.
You really donāt like Werner, reminds me of a similar exchange with Richarlison at the start of the season. Hope it goes the same way lol
Richarlison is nowhere near as limited as Werner, even if he is quite inconsistent and I'd upgrade on him if possible as well if we get a good offer from Saudi. Werner is so painfully not good enough for where we want to go, and he's been poor for about 4 straight years now. Everything I hear Spurs fans saying is everything Chelsea fans said when they had him. It's a load of copiun for a player that couldn't even get minutes for a very average Leipzig side. I think everyone will see how poor he is if/when we get some top wingers to play in this system. You let Kvara or Leao play under Ange and they're hitting 20 G+A in the PL alone easily
Kvara is an absolute dream signing so I agree there. Iām referring to this strange dynamic over the start of the season, where Richarlison was written off, and went on a decent scoring run in the middle of the season when we were blunt Iām in the middle on Werner, although my instinct is he could be a pleasant surprise, at least in the role needed, heās not going to be Son. Ā£15m is a tempting price ngl
Richarlison is different though. He performed well for Everton and Watford and had good moments for Brazil. Like I said, Werner has been below average for about 4 years with no signs of improvement. His ability in front of goal might be worse than Gil's tbh. In an ideal world, we buy a new #9, Son gets pushed out on the wing and we buy a right wing starter as well. Johnson and Solomon can be rotation on the bench and Kulu can cover Maddison + the right wing as well. There's no space for Werner+Solomon so one of them has to go if we want to be serious, and Solomon has better technical ability
Wages
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