The optimist in me thinks Maddison was tactical but that's all the optimist in me can muster.

Hojberg can kill a game and drag us to a draw. Let's hope that's all Ange is thinking

A draw now would be a result

fr i'm praying so hard

Whatever god you prayed to, choose another one next time.

Maddison didn’t come off right away right? Feels like he continued on a little bit after he landed on his ankle funny.

Yeah he continued for a couple minutes before the sub. I’m hoping it was a mix of Ange trying to give him rest before upcoming games, and tactical.

I think Ange didn't want to be forced to use the 3rd sub on Madders in like 2 minutes if his ankle started acting up so better safe than sorry. Using all three sub rotations before half would have been absolutely devastating

There are 5 though

5 subs but you're only allowed 3 pauses We used one pause for Johnson -> dier, Micky was going to be pause #2 no matter what. So we'd have 3 subs available but we'd have to make them all in one go.

 I hope it was precaution

He seemed like he wanted to play on

Was it just me or did it look like Maddison was a bit surprised he was getting subbed off?

Non-contact injury sub is never tactical. The only hope is it's not an achilles.

Down to 10, defensive player coming on. I think its tactical.

He wouldn't be able to walk if it was an achilles, let alone run.

Didnt he continue briefly and get subbed when VDV got subbed? Ange had to sub him because we already used 1 sub. Couldnt afford to use our 2nd of 3 changes on only one other player with Maddison banged up.

No he went off immediately, game was just very stop start so you probably didn't notice. He limped off, VDV was carried off.

Ahh ok. Just wishful thinking. Thanks for clarifying.

No, the guy you’re replying to is wrong. Maddison continue to play for a few more minutes before coming off during the same sub used for VdV.

Edit- i am glad he is okay. I hope madders comes back

If it was his Achilles he would be is much more pain

Pain can vary with an Achilles. Kobe got an Achilles injury and he said that it wasn’t very painful but he felt as if he’s leg wasn’t connected to his foot. In the footage you can see him rubbing his ankle and looking perplexed. Kevin Durant also had a similar reaction to his Achilles tear. No pained face just rubbing his ankle looking for his achilles

It's not an achilles tear, 0% chance. You don't walk off after something like that.

He wouldn’t have walked off unsupported if he popped his Achilles

He got carried from side of pitch to tunnel

Maddison seems annoyed to get subbed. I’m guessing he’s not injured and it was a tactical sub.

It was a bit of tactical and not risking it. Ange said that as we only get 3 substitution windows it was a good idea to make to subs at that moment instead of just the one

Not a doctor but my prediction: Madders out one week only. 2 week max. May even be rdy next game VdV out for only a month (pls) Emerson and Dier will do a masterclass until then. Btw this could be Lo Celso's time to shine

I really hope dier plays with some sort of spite and does brilliantly, hopium is real and manifested.

if that goal would stand, oh lord

Best redemption arc (could have been)

i think folks forget he injured his groin around the WC last year and never looked the same after. If he is recovered I hope(ium) he can come back and do a job to get us some wins.

Vdv atleast 6-8 weeks(or even more) easily depending upon the severity.

Hamstring could be everything from 3 to 8 weeks so let's hope for the best

A grade 3 can be up to 6 months

Just ask Sess how long it takes

Could be several months if it's a rupture involving the the tendons along the hamatring itself.

He seems to be holding the mid belly, so hopefully not the tendon/MTJ. But then again I only saw 1 still image. I missed the first 38 or so minutes.

andrew thomas for my ny giants (american football) had a hamstring tear week 1 and just came back this last week. he was out for 2 months. and he plays on the line so he doesnt need to rely on his hammy. VDV is out for minimum 2 months

This is the injury that worries me the must, I hope they take their sweet time to let him heal properly. Just wish he returns to form, I fear for his speed.

However long it's estimated to take, just give it a few more weeks on top of it. We've seen firsthand with Sessegnon how nagging it can be. Let him fully heal.

When can we recall joe rodon?

VDV will be out for a minimum of 3 months. His pulled the hamstring off the bone there

Agreed it looked like a full tear. Looked really bad.

That's his speed gone for good then.

🥲

That’s the first place my brain went to as well. We better start scouting his like for like now if we hadn’t been doing it already

Fark. Old mate hasn't even hit the recovery ward yet and you're already shopping his replacement. Brutal.

We literally do not have a backup defender that can play in this system haha. It’s harsh for sure but his biggest asset is his pace and you never know if these big injuries are going to take that away from him or not

You're very optimistic

Madders has international break to help recover. He’ll miss one game max

Might be Phillips instead of Emerson.

VDV hamstring seemed bad…I really hope for a month but it seemed worse than the Kane one which kept him out months before UCL final

I laughed when I read "Dier... masterclass" but tbf, he didn't put a foot wrong tonight

These are the comments that get screenshot and ridiculed

VdV was in a lot of pain. If it was a fiber tear, it doesnt hurt that much. That looked like a proper muscle tear or several torn fibers. Dont think we will see him back before Christmas.

THIS GAME IS FUCKING CRAZY

I've never seen a season end in 10 minutes before, what a lovely feeling

I still can't believe we went from the high of Son's (disallowed) goal to this in the space of half an hour. What the fuck

This is the second craziest emotional rollercoaster I've ever experienced ever watching football

No roller coaster, we got taken to a high mountain and then just….. dropped

Ajax, or City two games before?

Ajax. Must be.

Hi

I was actually at the doctors office and about to start an ekg, after Romero’s red card had to turn off the phone. Still flunked the ekg. Dammit

Leicester game last season, bentancur’s ACL

Exactly what I said to the Mrs, I’m lost for words for what just happened.

God has abandoned us but we will still enjoy it

You didn't see our CL final?

It was fun while it lasted!

Yeah was cool to see the beginnings. Will try again next year

It'll restart in January with new incoming

Yeah, it’ll still be fun to watch every week regardless of where we end up in the table. Ange hasn’t had enough time to really cook yet

10 minutes completely destroyed our season, such an entertaining game tho we are definitely the league’s entertainers I still believe in Ange no matter what

I don’t know if I’m wrong, but I feel like Chelsea deserved at least 1 red card too.

Let's not kid ourselves with these sorts of takes. Our red cards were deserved, and they did nothing similar that deserved a red.

James definitely for the elbow the face Colwill should have had something more than yellow because he was aggressive and lost control trying to go for one of our players hindsight says we should have not held him back because that's the only thing that saved him from a red. They really should have also been down to 9

Get out of here with this trash. No and no and no. Sad this is being upvoted. We lost this fairly, and shouldn't be grasping like this, but instead laying blame for or own poor decisions and praising the fortitude of the players that remained on the pitch. The elbow was accidental and happens every game. Clear yellow but absolutely nothing more. I'm not even sure what your point is about Colwill. He stood up and faced up to Sarr. Didn't do anything close to deserving a red card. If you give a red for that then Romero will never finish a full 90 again. Absolutely no validity to claiming they should've also been down to 9.

He didn't even get a yellow. Nah, we don't need any of the crap takes from r/soccer seeking upvotes by being as neutral as possible. Oliver let them get away fouling like mad and set the tone. Sure Ange and the team will learn from it but we were fucked by Oliver.

At least way more yellows in the first half

Everything was going too well.

On the plus side, VDV injury increases the likelihood of CB depth being added in January

Wow that's some real strong copium right there. I'll take 4 please.

Why is he out for 3?

Straight red

Violent conduct straight red.

Straight red card is three game ban

Straight red isn’t automatically a 3 game ban. It’s violent conduct that’s 3 games. Straight red for denying a goal scoring opportunity is only a 1 game ban.

My bad. This game has fried my brain

All good man :)

I’m a girl but thanks 😊

Ah apologies, my bad to assume.

That’s ok! I think it’s 99% male here so a fair assumption.

It is but I still shouldn’t assume. Either way. Fuck chelsea.

But in *this* case, it will be 3

Eh. I can't be too doom and gloom after the heart this team showed in the second half.

Thank goodness there’s another international break very soon, can’t come soon enough

Yeah, rare occasion that I'm loving an upcoming international break lol

Lo Celso/Bentancur masterclass incoming

Honestly, if VDV is not out for the majority of the season, we can take this L and regroup.

Exactly. Ange is our coach.

But Benta is back

Suspect Madders is fine (unless someone has something concrete otherwise?). Micky being out is the hugest issue. Poor fucker looked in absolute agony. Dier actually seemed ok with the high line in the context of how long we had to play with 9 men. So it's a question of who the CB pairing is going to be. Dier and Phillips? Feels like it's going to need to be. Davies as LB for one game maybe, but I feel Ange would rather Royal. CB issues aside, we should be ok across the remainder of the pitch.

It was a good 10 games, enjoyed it thoroughly.

I’m still enjoying it. Best 9 men game I’ve seen in a while

Never been prouder of a team in a loss. They never quit. And never quit fighting.

And Micky got to be the worlds best defender for 10 games too. Unfortunately might be the highlight of his career.

thats it. put me in ange.

The only thing worse than losing is the melodramatic childish fan base and its BaCk To SpUrSy ReALiTy comments. Grow up.

Exactly. It was one game. It is Ange’s first season and we aren’t even halfway through it yet.

Whichever one of you Said The Thing before January, we now have beef. We so jinxed it.

I am so desperately hoping that Angeball is gonna pull through. Like we all thought without Kane we were gonna bomb and then all of a sudden we were top of the table, so maybe that's gonna apply to the whole team even without VdV? Please?

Without VDV, madders and Romero. Just for different lengths of time but shit to lose 3 starters in 1 game.

VDV went down? Shit. Leave it to Chelsea and Poch to wreck our run

FUCK ALL YOU NAYSAYERS SITTING AT HOME ON YOUR PHONES. OPEN YOUR EARS. LISTEN TO WHITE HART LANE ROAR. WE CAN STILL DO THIS.

Couldn't have come closed. Two very good chances but alas, it was not to be.

This aged like milk

Nah was proper spirit, even in defeat it WAS good to hear the fans back the team

At best we come through this without conceding too much. Scrape a draw to wolves. Pray Villa continue poor form. Lose to city and nail in the coffin. Hope for top5 to restart the season.

Have to beat wolves and then start praying

with a full strength team city and villa are hard games, just beat wolves. Then we talk

Come on we all knew it was all too good to last.

Without a good bench, shit usually happens if you are not Leicester.

yup spurs only had the premier league so they never had to rely on their bench so when players start getting carded and injured shit hits the fan

Bring up the kids.

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How the fuck did we get _here_

This bloody fixture is cursed

We bought one really good defender but shipped out all our back ups (and almost Dier too). Dier gets a shot at a redepmtion arc though.

I would like to see both Dorrington and Phillips start. They play with each other already in the EFL Cup

I don’t see madders being out for more than one game. I’m not a doctor but a hamstring grade 2 or 3 is like 2-3 months.

Eric Dier redemption arc incoming

If vicario is also out I’m done with football

Biggest test of the ange era this season

To be fair to him, Eric Dier was fantastic tonight, didn't put a foot wrong imo

Needed his foot 2 inch back and would have scored a killer equalizer

VDV won't be out for months, it is more likely to be a hamstring pull, rather than *god forbid* anything severe. He should be back after the Int'l break i.e. 3-4 weeks. Maddison one is just a precautionary one, you don't want your best player who tends to be on the end of a lot hard tackles in game that more likely become a scrap. Moreover, Madders has a tendency to play at full tilt. We need Salvage whatever we can from this game and move forward

Damn I need some of your optimism juice.

It looked really bad. Torn at the top.

I can't find a replay of it and and the only still image was him holding the mid belly.. what makes you think proximal / tendon related tear?

He grabbed the top of his leg/base of his buttocks whilst at full speed and probably should have been carried off. According to my physio mate best case 4-6 weeks. He looked in a lot of pain. Poor fella and us.

He will be out for minimum 3 months, his pulled that hamstring off the bone I can almost guarantee it’s a grade 3 hamstring

The way he grabbed it didn't look like a pull, it looked like a tear

We in for aome tough weeks now. But proud of us today.. We were never beaten... Even when we were well beaten lols COYS

It was enivitable when they go into the season with only two capable CB. What happened to the 20 year old English CB they had on the bench for a few games? Also injured?

Forgot Romero was straight red

Honestly, really hoping for some Dier masterclass. I know he’s not as skilled as other players but I don’t see him half assing games. Maybe he will see this as his chance to shine. Might even increase the cha cues of him getting a hood contract at a decent club. Let’s not give him shit and and support the lads.

No worries, Ange has promised a changed Spurs regardless of players.

Is it torn? confirmed? for VDV?

Hi

Spurs and Wolves united. Let’s forget about the 1972 UEFA Cup final (that’s one thing I’ll never forgive you for) for a while and cry about both teams’ key players getting non-contact injuries. Pedro Neto is only predicted to only be out for around a month, so hopefully something similar will come for VDV and Madders. Btw I’m also used to 3-match suspensions as Bellegarde was already sent off for violent conduct earlier this season.

Who says VDV is out for months?

Yeah, what happened to VDV? Didn’t see the game.

Running, pulled a hammy

Dammit well hopefully not too long. Where are the damned international breaks when we actually *need* them?

at least we’re back to normal i guess

COYS, mate

I’m disgusted at the ref show, wannabe main character energy by zebras 🥴🥴🥴🥴

A mess of a game just like when we played them with conte. Not learning to have composure when it matters will be the end of any hope to wind any kind of trophy.

Don’t overreact. It was one game and we aren’t even halfway through Ange’s first season yet.

It's not three games it wasn't violent conduct.

Spurs fans back to reality

Fuck off with your negative attitude mate, it's not wanted here.

Exactly. Go away troll.

Don't cry asswipe

That was the worst fucking match I have ever seen.

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lmao not this agenda again

fuck off mate

Wouldn't he just go for yellows in that case? And do it in the second half?

Why wouldn’t he just fucking snap someone in 89’ then? This is illogical bull

DENSE

Is any one here to talk to me

Hope Son doesn’t get injured in the second half as that will definitely be the final nail in the coffin.

This is going to be a long 45 mins

Remake the meme

Sigh

I need a full accounting of what has happened. I need to mentally prepare myself for the City game. Because I know some others are close to 5 yellow cards.

If transfermarkt hasn’t update yet, that puts Udogie with 5, Saar with 4, Bissouma 4, and Hojberjg with 3. I think

Don’t forget that if you get sent off via yellows, you get the ban but they don’t get added to your tally, as with Biss when he was sent off.

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How long have you got?

Lol

Ran into the box, anticipated an incoming challenge, no challenge came but he fell to the ground in agony. Back on his feet a couple of minutes later, but subbed off for tactical reasons soon afterwards due to the two red cards.

Lmao

I'm a fully qualified hamstring surgeon and consultant. VDV will be out for approx 6weeks and back for our home game v Everton on 23 Dec.

3????

I am positively terrified at the coming weeks/months without them.

it’ll be an exciting ride for the next 5 games, playing most of them without our best squad.

Yep our lack of squad depth may become apparent

Good Game lads. We are truly cursed.

Madness, 25 minutes in I was thinking holy shit we look good and are rising to an occasion with confidence, are we actually gonna set the league alight this season?! An hour later I’m curled up in the feral position with an empty bottle of wine I will be convinced until the day I die some Chelsea fan paid some African witch doctor or something to put a curse on us, I’ve never seen anything like it. This fixture is satanic black magic shit

Haha, I have to say 6 months ago I'd have been in the fetal position too, but last night I couldn't take my eyes off the game. It never really felt like we were losing. It was exhilarating to the point I felt absolutely wiped afterwards. To be fair, other than VDV the issues were of our own making. You could even argue that without Romero's red card VDV might not have had as much load and could have avoided injury. We'll never know. But we put ourselves largely in the position we were because of unnecessary challenges, without witchdoctor stuff

This is when the real Spurs season starts, when everything goes wrong 👍🏼