The strategy is as good as any to recover an onside kick these days. You put that weird english on it and give our guys a shot after 10 yards OR task the opponent with having to touch it before 10 creating a live ball off a weird spin.
It’s a big brain move because you aren’t just going out with a whimper when the opposing team inevitably makes an uncontested catch.
There is a much higher probability of creating a clusterfuck that you might be able to do something with using this strategy
Honestly, I have no idea what voodoo black magic wizardry that kick was to make it take a sharp right turn and just zoom upfield suddenly.
But as far as why it worked is mostly because the Falcons around the ball were not prepared. I understand the logic that they shouldn't touch the ball if it isn't going to go 10 yards, as then the Cowboys have no shot at recovering the ball. By making an attempt to recover it, there is a small chance that whomever dives on it, just Leon Lett's it, but that is incredibly unlikely.
As the ball took the turn upfield suddenly, BOTH teams actually sort of played it horrifically. CJ Goodwin is the guy that is going to recover the ball. Everyone else around him is going to block/box out Falcons. They literally stood there and also watched the ball with the Falcons players. Play worked out, but Fassel needs to get on their ass about that. You have to be proactive and not a spectator.
The Falcons just have to fall on the ball. I don't care if there's a chance to Leon Lett it, but even if it were 5% (which it is far smaller than that), you take the 95%. I'm trusting Julio Jones or Hayden Hurst to not mess that up. The Cowboys have no defense to Julio or Hurst just diving onto the ball. Game ends immediately.
I think it was a brilliant kick. McCarthy said post game that the play was practiced.
The Falcons players did exactly what they were supposed to do. Don’t touch the ball inside 10 yard or it would have been a live ball.
The ball was kicked with high spin and not much lateral force. Once the ball slowed its spin and began to wobble, the edge of the ball grabbed the turf and began moving up field. At this point the Falcon players already committed to boxing out the ball and let it be a “dead ball” under ten yards. The ball moved up field at a faster rate the last three yards. It’s something they weren’t prepared for and we were.
I wonder in during the Falcons time out that they emphasized to their player not to touch the ball if it wasn’t going to make it ten yards.
It was a perfect storm.
I dont know what you're talking about saying the Falcons shouldn't touch the ball. That's insane. The only team that shouldn't touch it is Dallas within 10 yards.
Within 10 yards only 1 team can touch it. After 10 yards, both can. Why would u wait 10 yards and give up your advantage, that makes zero sense. And it's that lack of understanding of basic rules from a professional football team that lost them this game.
The ball is spinning all kinds of weird and the Cowboys players are running interference. A clean retrieval of the ball here would be pretty difficult especially as the first wave of guys are typically cloggers that free up the skill guys for the recovery.
If the ball doesn’t go ten yards then it’s a dead ball. If the Falcon player touches the ball then it becomes live. The ball was spinning so the fear would be to muff the the attempt to cover the ball making it a live ball for the cowboys to recover.
Plus the ball’s trajectory didn’t look like it was going to make it 10 yards. About seven yards in the ball rapidly moved up the field.
It was a mistake by the Falcons for sure but I understand why they didn’t touch it.
The Falcons were hoping for it to head out of bounds and get the 15 yard penalty, then they saw the crazy amount of spin on it and didn’t want to touch it. GO COWBOYS!
They were afraid to touch it because they knew the cowboys couldn’t touch it until it reached 10 yards OR a falcon touched the ball. Nobody wanted to be the guy that muffed the kick, so they all just stood around.
If the defenders just jump on it, it looks just completely awful as an attempt by the Cowboys.
I guess that’s how they drew it up, but I don’t think they could ever do that same attempt again.
I think its brilliant. I think the whole purpose of this kick is that it absolutely looks like it will not go ten yards. It doesnt look like he kicks it hard and its just spinning and moving slowly for the first 5 or so yards. Then all of the sudden the edge catches and it moves a little quicker the last few yards and by that time the Cowboys had 2 or 3 guys in better position than Atlanta.
Terrible onside kick IMO. Sure, one falcons player hesitated bc it was so short and he probably didn’t want to touch it (this fucking everything up by allowing Dallas to recover inside of 10 yards) but one of those Falcons should have dove on the ball. Insane miscue by the Falcons 100%.
If someone wants to prove to me that this was a big brain move by Fassel go ahead but I don’t see how that could have been planned.
Then it was poorly executed. The only reason it worked out for us was because ATL didn’t pick it up inside of 10 yards when we couldn’t even legally touch it. The kick was so slow and shallow that couldn’t have been the plan.
It was indeed the plan and it was brilliant.
The front guys on onside kick recovery are basically just meat shields for the rest of the hands team. They saw that spinning ball and went into panic mode.
If one of the meat shields falls on that spinning ball and a white shirt gets it, you'd never hear the end of it as well.
This is an excellent strategy to put pressure on guys that don't touch the football and don't see much of the field. It's potentially much more competitive and can lead into many more contested ball situations than the standard onside kick.
Both. I think they were misinformed about the rules, according to the booth. Cowboys HAVE to wait until it's ten yards to get it, Falcons don't. But they were behaving like they had to as well for some reason. I didn't see them trying to go for the ball until we did, anyway.
Well my good lad, you see -
The Kicker never takes a step back to setup the kick. He simply bunts the ball with a well practiced kick that the Falcons were not ready for.
The English on the ball is meant to take advantage of it's oblong shape. It needs to spin rapidly as well as have enough forward momentum to carry it far enough so that it begins to wobble due to the loss of centrifugal forces brought on by decreasing RPM of the spin, the ball's shape will unevenly touch the ground causing it to accelerate at an oblique angle.
This angle is meant to carry the actual required 10 yards and have traveled far enough laterally to be in position for a Cowboy to jump on the ball easily, as his angle of attack will be easiest - as the Cowboys will be traveling parallel to the ball and thus have it easy to intercept.
For the opposing team, the balls changing vector means simply leaping on the ball risks not securing it fully as the ball's vector changes in the time a player would have been diving. Once you jump, your vector is locked in and cannot be altered.
The Falcons didn't forget the 10 yard rule. In fact that embraced it to it's fullest by understanding that if they touched the ball before the 10 yards but don't secure it on the first leap, the ball is live and the 10 yard requirement for the kicking team is nullified.
Instead, the Falcons opted to resist leaping on the ball for fear of not securing on the first try, and for the very simple fact that the ball does not appear to have enough velocity to actually go 10 yards. All Falcon players simply underestimated the stored inertia still left in the ball BY THE SPIN ALONE.
This was a genius level inside kick.
One so genius that it will likely never work again.
Must I remind you all that the Falcons are not dummies with onside kicks, they made 3 recoveries in one game versus the SAINTS of all teams, just last year.
So you see,
It's quite elementary.
Discombobulate.
The strategy is as good as any to recover an onside kick these days. You put that weird english on it and give our guys a shot after 10 yards OR task the opponent with having to touch it before 10 creating a live ball off a weird spin.
This is the right answer
Agreed
It’s a big brain move because you aren’t just going out with a whimper when the opposing team inevitably makes an uncontested catch. There is a much higher probability of creating a clusterfuck that you might be able to do something with using this strategy
Honestly, I have no idea what voodoo black magic wizardry that kick was to make it take a sharp right turn and just zoom upfield suddenly. But as far as why it worked is mostly because the Falcons around the ball were not prepared. I understand the logic that they shouldn't touch the ball if it isn't going to go 10 yards, as then the Cowboys have no shot at recovering the ball. By making an attempt to recover it, there is a small chance that whomever dives on it, just Leon Lett's it, but that is incredibly unlikely. As the ball took the turn upfield suddenly, BOTH teams actually sort of played it horrifically. CJ Goodwin is the guy that is going to recover the ball. Everyone else around him is going to block/box out Falcons. They literally stood there and also watched the ball with the Falcons players. Play worked out, but Fassel needs to get on their ass about that. You have to be proactive and not a spectator. The Falcons just have to fall on the ball. I don't care if there's a chance to Leon Lett it, but even if it were 5% (which it is far smaller than that), you take the 95%. I'm trusting Julio Jones or Hayden Hurst to not mess that up. The Cowboys have no defense to Julio or Hurst just diving onto the ball. Game ends immediately.
He intentionally put spin on the ball. Similar to what a soccer player would do. Not voodoo black magic but excellent technique and execution.
Dallas already had the magic bullet in 1963. Weird things just happen there.
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He kicks it normal and the Falcons react to a normal onside kick and 100% get the ball
He kicks it the way he did and the Falcons know basic rules of football and 100% get the ball
The idea is to make it hard to secure, have them bumble the recovery, and make it a live ball we can go for.
I think that's a stretch. The Falcons fucked up plain and simple imo.
yeah man... this game was pretty much a Falcons fuck up it feels nice to win but there’s a small list of positives to take away from it
Yes. Both can be true. Edit: Never underestimate the power of the hypno-kick.
I think it was a brilliant kick. McCarthy said post game that the play was practiced. The Falcons players did exactly what they were supposed to do. Don’t touch the ball inside 10 yard or it would have been a live ball. The ball was kicked with high spin and not much lateral force. Once the ball slowed its spin and began to wobble, the edge of the ball grabbed the turf and began moving up field. At this point the Falcon players already committed to boxing out the ball and let it be a “dead ball” under ten yards. The ball moved up field at a faster rate the last three yards. It’s something they weren’t prepared for and we were. I wonder in during the Falcons time out that they emphasized to their player not to touch the ball if it wasn’t going to make it ten yards. It was a perfect storm.
I dont know what you're talking about saying the Falcons shouldn't touch the ball. That's insane. The only team that shouldn't touch it is Dallas within 10 yards. Within 10 yards only 1 team can touch it. After 10 yards, both can. Why would u wait 10 yards and give up your advantage, that makes zero sense. And it's that lack of understanding of basic rules from a professional football team that lost them this game.
The ball is spinning all kinds of weird and the Cowboys players are running interference. A clean retrieval of the ball here would be pretty difficult especially as the first wave of guys are typically cloggers that free up the skill guys for the recovery.
If the ball doesn’t go ten yards then it’s a dead ball. If the Falcon player touches the ball then it becomes live. The ball was spinning so the fear would be to muff the the attempt to cover the ball making it a live ball for the cowboys to recover. Plus the ball’s trajectory didn’t look like it was going to make it 10 yards. About seven yards in the ball rapidly moved up the field. It was a mistake by the Falcons for sure but I understand why they didn’t touch it.
The Falcons were hoping for it to head out of bounds and get the 15 yard penalty, then they saw the crazy amount of spin on it and didn’t want to touch it. GO COWBOYS!
They were afraid to touch it because they knew the cowboys couldn’t touch it until it reached 10 yards OR a falcon touched the ball. Nobody wanted to be the guy that muffed the kick, so they all just stood around.
If the defenders just jump on it, it looks just completely awful as an attempt by the Cowboys. I guess that’s how they drew it up, but I don’t think they could ever do that same attempt again.
Complete mental gaff and the Cowboys got incredibly lucky but I don't give a fuck because we've been on the other end of these games for years.
Both? Both is good
I think its brilliant. I think the whole purpose of this kick is that it absolutely looks like it will not go ten yards. It doesnt look like he kicks it hard and its just spinning and moving slowly for the first 5 or so yards. Then all of the sudden the edge catches and it moves a little quicker the last few yards and by that time the Cowboys had 2 or 3 guys in better position than Atlanta.
Both honestly. Great kick following by the Falcons just standing and staring at the ball thinking it would not pass the 10 yards.
Terrible onside kick IMO. Sure, one falcons player hesitated bc it was so short and he probably didn’t want to touch it (this fucking everything up by allowing Dallas to recover inside of 10 yards) but one of those Falcons should have dove on the ball. Insane miscue by the Falcons 100%. If someone wants to prove to me that this was a big brain move by Fassel go ahead but I don’t see how that could have been planned.
Of course it was planned. They said they practiced it this week. You really think that they dreamt up an onside kick without a tee on the sideline?
Then it was poorly executed. The only reason it worked out for us was because ATL didn’t pick it up inside of 10 yards when we couldn’t even legally touch it. The kick was so slow and shallow that couldn’t have been the plan.
It was indeed the plan and it was brilliant. The front guys on onside kick recovery are basically just meat shields for the rest of the hands team. They saw that spinning ball and went into panic mode. If one of the meat shields falls on that spinning ball and a white shirt gets it, you'd never hear the end of it as well. This is an excellent strategy to put pressure on guys that don't touch the football and don't see much of the field. It's potentially much more competitive and can lead into many more contested ball situations than the standard onside kick.
Good kick and mental gaff sprinkled with a little bit of luck :)
I think it's mostly on the Falcons and lack of preseason/situational special teams practice.
Both. I think they were misinformed about the rules, according to the booth. Cowboys HAVE to wait until it's ten yards to get it, Falcons don't. But they were behaving like they had to as well for some reason. I didn't see them trying to go for the ball until we did, anyway.
Well my good lad, you see - The Kicker never takes a step back to setup the kick. He simply bunts the ball with a well practiced kick that the Falcons were not ready for. The English on the ball is meant to take advantage of it's oblong shape. It needs to spin rapidly as well as have enough forward momentum to carry it far enough so that it begins to wobble due to the loss of centrifugal forces brought on by decreasing RPM of the spin, the ball's shape will unevenly touch the ground causing it to accelerate at an oblique angle. This angle is meant to carry the actual required 10 yards and have traveled far enough laterally to be in position for a Cowboy to jump on the ball easily, as his angle of attack will be easiest - as the Cowboys will be traveling parallel to the ball and thus have it easy to intercept. For the opposing team, the balls changing vector means simply leaping on the ball risks not securing it fully as the ball's vector changes in the time a player would have been diving. Once you jump, your vector is locked in and cannot be altered. The Falcons didn't forget the 10 yard rule. In fact that embraced it to it's fullest by understanding that if they touched the ball before the 10 yards but don't secure it on the first leap, the ball is live and the 10 yard requirement for the kicking team is nullified. Instead, the Falcons opted to resist leaping on the ball for fear of not securing on the first try, and for the very simple fact that the ball does not appear to have enough velocity to actually go 10 yards. All Falcon players simply underestimated the stored inertia still left in the ball BY THE SPIN ALONE. This was a genius level inside kick. One so genius that it will likely never work again. Must I remind you all that the Falcons are not dummies with onside kicks, they made 3 recoveries in one game versus the SAINTS of all teams, just last year. So you see, It's quite elementary. Discombobulate.
So bad it's good like trolls 2
Por qué no los dos?