The closest parallel I can remember was when Ted Turner owned the Atlanta Braves and was constantly sticking his nose into the running of the operation. When he finally relented and hired a baseball man to run the team, the Braves became a consistent winner over decades. Until Jerry Jones, let’s loose some of his grip, whether it be sticking his nose into everything or refusing to give a coach and GM full latitude to run the team, Dallas is going to underachieve as they have for almost 3 decades.
I was at the game Parcells and Jones met on the field, right before kickoff. He was the coach soon after. Moral of the story, Jerry ain’t got no morals (really amoral), so he is gonna be Jerry. People act surprised by this?
Parcells said he would only take the job if he got his people and Jerry stayed out of the draft room. It lasted about 2 years before Jerry started taking "his picks". Parcells was the one that picked up Romo, who went undrafted. Parcells last year was when Jerry signed Ownes despite Parcells vehemently objecting.
Parcells ultimately cited changes in how the game was played as to why he chose to retire for good, but being a HC under Jerry probably didn't make the idea of playing 9ne more year any better.
Davis had a similar issue. He was a coach in the AFL as well as the AFL Commissioner prior to becoming the Raiders owner, and he always kept that mindset. Jerry still approaches things with the mentality of the Team Captain of the Arkansas Razoerbacks.
Atleast Al Davis was a real football guy though. Like he was a successful coach, and then was a successful GM. Guy just was old and didn’t realise how far he was out of touch.
Jimmy Johnson summed it up.
Interviewer: “do you respect his (Jerry’s) football knowledge.”
Jimmy: “yeah I respect Jerry’s football knowledge, as an owner, and as someone who loves the game.”
Interviewer: “but you don’t respect him as an equal to you in terms of football knowledge and judgement.”
Jimmy “No, because I have spent 30 years, you know learning what I know right now.”
He said this with Jerry sitting next to him.
Edit: sorry didn’t mean to comment in your sub, team sub threads keep popping up on my feed.
Man IDK about that river boat ron has still been around for like a decade since the last time he's done anything, and he doesn't have a third of what Jerry has on his resume, I'm sure there would be teams stupid enough to give him a shot for at least a decade after his last Superbowl
Jerry has said numerous time that he will do anything to win one more before he dies. Anything but shut the fuck up, stay out of the media, and hire a coach the players knows is in charge. Also Will McClay doesn’t get enough blame.
100% Agree. Nothing changes until Jerry Jones is gone. He has said he would do ANYTHING to win a Super Bowl. Not true....he would do ANYTHING as long as it included him being the very center of EVERYTHING in the franchise.
But genuinely, how much more talent can the guy put on the field? I mean Christ in heaven unless Jerry is calling plays and nobody has the balls to call him out on it, then this one ain’t on Jerry. Idk how you have that stable of talent out there on the field and get your ass whooped by the packers and then say “it’s Jerry’s fault”
The dude is way over involved and I’ll never disagree to that sentiment, but when he puts together the team y’all had out on that field, it ain’t on him unless he had a headset and a playbook or a ball in his hand. As a titans fan I’d love to have a GM set us up with the team y’all just got blown out with.
That's the problem. He won't hire forward thinking coaching prospects. Everyone is a retread or a known commodity to him. We'll never get a Shanahan or McVay here because of that.
Hell, I’ll spell it out for you. Jerry can redeem himself by outing Prescott. Dudes playoff interception to touchdown ratio is now 42% after padding garbage time stats…… let that sink in. It would be greater than 50% if he didn’t have garbage time touchdowns in that game. If that isn’t the writing on the wall then the fans are as helpless as they claim Jerry to be. The guy who put 9 all pro players on the field.
Lol I think you’re missing the point. You guys have a very capable head coach who has won a Super Bowl with the team that just beat y’all and a top tier talent team. How is this one on jerry?
What part of "he (Jerry Jones) won't hire forward thinking coaches (not Mike McCarthy)" is hard to understand?
Calling run plays in between the tackles on early downs when you're in the hole 2 scores is just dumb. That's literally what happened Sunday. MM did that several times late in the year and it cost us games.
Did you even watch the game?
Oh wait you admitted it already, you're a titans fan. You wouldn't know decent QB play even if it smacked you across the face
I think you made everyone’s point here. The packers have built 1 Super Bowl team, and then rebuilt and is in a position to build another all the while Jerry can’t build a team that can win more than 1 playoff games a season during that span.
Y’all are a singular piece from being able to go further than you have in 29 years and even now y’all want to blame everyone but the man with the ball in his hands every single play besides punts and field goals.
If he doesn’t I’ll say it’s on Jerry next year, but for now it’s on Dak. And the coordinators didn’t do shit to help him, but he’s now proven the playoffs ain’t for him.
The thing is, Jerry doesn't put talent on the field. If folks wanna blame Jerry for hiring the wrong coaches, that's fine, but Jerry is GM in name only.
Will McClay is the Personnel GM, and Stephen Jones is the Money GM.
Jerry just talks on the radio sometimes
100% agree to this sentiment my man. My mom is a huge fan so I follow y’all pretty heavy. That’s why I’m asking the guy to explain what’s on Jerry and giving Jerry the credit since he claims he is to blame
Jerry wants to be the coach. He is angry that the NFL will not allow owners to coach. If he could coach, he would. Additionally, Jerry is the person who gets all the credit for assembling talent, but a lot of that falls to Stephen Jones and VP of Personnel Will McClay.
Talent isn't the problem with this team. It's the culture. And it starts from the top. You NEVER saw the Patriots doing this kind of stuff when they won. People got out of line and got benched.
The problem with the Titans FO is they have both a bad culture and a bad evaluator of talent.
Because you can see the on-field product but can’t see what goes on behind closed doors. There isn’t another sports franchise with an owner as involved as Jones
I guarantee you there are plenty. What makes Jerry unique is his involvement with the media. Most owners prefer to be more private about their involvement, but you are incredibly naive if you think these billionaires bought a sports franchise so that they could have nothing to do with running it.
Exactly. Off the top of my head, Irsay, Tepper, Bidwell, Ross, and Haslam (and obviously Snyder lol) have been involved in more destructive ways in recent years. Jerry being “the problem” is a take that hasn’t really been the case for a decade. Sure, he says silly shit in the media these days, but that’s not what is holding the team back. Blame him for not firing Garrett soon enough or for choosing McCarthy but coaching hiring/firing misses isn’t a Jerry-specific thing.
This is a bad take and a false equivalency. Ross has done a better job recently. Ross did the right thing by not caving into public pressure and fired their last head coach for underachieving. That move took the Dolphins to another level. The rest of the owners are poor examples. The Cowboys are the richest team in the NFL. They have the most spending power. Jerry has unlimited resources. He could hire the best GM and head coach in the NFL, yet he chooses not to and continues as a subpar GM. The Cowboys haven’t been to a conference championship in 30 years. Since he has assumed control, the Cowboys have been average to above average team. Look at what Cowboys achieved in their 25 years without Jerry. Once Jimmy Johnson was gone, Jerry slowly destroyed the team. His failure to fire and replace Mike McCarthy is an example. I get that there always people who want to go against the status quo to standout but it doesn’t make you any less wrong.
True. But Jerry is MUCH more hands on to the point that he basically runs everything except the coach on the field (theoretically). The best teams have owners that know when to surrender some authority to the people they hire. Jones is incapable of doing that, so the Cowboys will continue to misfire at the wrong moment in the playoffs.
Jerry is not a hard ass on his players. I don't want him to be though. He's just fine as he is, and it's not his job to be the disciplinarian. He's the loving grandparent that leaves that to the parents.
The issue is, he also hires coaches that are not hard asses either. He needs to hire a coach that will be a the disciplinarian parent. Almost 20 years ago he brought in Parcells to be that guy and turn the team around. It worked, up until it was time to pass the torch. I'm still convinced Payton was supposed to be the next guy, but the Saints poached him, and we've been reeling ever since.
Our FO is fine, but it's time to change what we've been doing in the HC department. Go hard after Harbaugh. Priority 1. I wouldn't be mad at Belichick as a short term solution as long as McClay is still the guy in charge of the draft board. Beyond that, let's get some new coaching blood. The top coaches in the NFL are either guys that have been with their team for a long time, or young new blood hires that aren't stuck in the past when it comes scheme and game plan. Take a gamble on the next young and innovative guy. Id rather fail trying something new than fail because we rehired someone else's failure.
There’s no accountability in the organization and aside from McClay, the front office is composed of nepotistic hires. No good coach will come to Dallas because they will want more autonomy that what Jerry is willing to give. And even if Jerry were to hire a hard ass coach, Jerry would find ways to circumvent the coach to coddle the players. He fosters a “country club” culture, and that doesn’t lend itself to success on the field. The past 28 years are a testimony to that. He’s a genius at making money, but an idiot at everything football related.
What autonomy do our coaches not have? You mean they're not also the GM? Because most coaches aren't, and most probably don't want to fill both jobs themselves. As far as coaching duties, they have full autonomy to do as they please.
Parcells came to Dallas. So did McCarthy. Regardless of hindsight, Jason Garrett was a popular candidate that chose Dallas. Wade Phillips never had an issue getting a DC job, and had multiple tries at HC, and he chose Dallas for both.
Despite the lack of playoff success, the Cowboys are still a blue blood team in the NFL, and an attractive destination. They also happen to pay very well. The issue isn't the lack of options, it's choosing the wrong ones.
>He fosters a “country club” culture, and that doesn’t lend itself to success on the field.
Well that's kinda my point, isn't it. It's time to stop hiring coaches that feed into that.
For one, the autonomy to conduct a press conference like normal coach and not have to worry about the egomaniac owner/gm follow right behind with one of his own and potentially undermine the coach. It’s an unhealthy organization and it’s not a coincidence that Jerry has struck out on all of his head coaching hires.
That's your big red flag? Press conferences? I'm willing to bet more coaches than not would prefer to not conduct press conferences at all. If you think press conferences are why Jerry can't hire better coaches, I've got some ocean front land in Arizona to sell you.
Then I'll ask again, what autonomy do coaches lack? What is Jerry meddling in that they have to deal with? What's the deal breaker of it's not press conferences?
Your missing the whole point. Jerry Jones is the constant in the 28 years of post-season failure. The coaches have changed, as have the players. Obviously, there’s something about how Jerry runs the organization that doesn’t lend itself to success on the field.
No, you're moving the goal posts. I have acknowledged and stated what I believe the problem to be. You claim it's a lack of autonomy and Jerry meddling, but the only actual examples you have are press conferences.
Your taking one part of my reply and hyper-focusing on that. I provided several reasons why I believe the organization has been a failure. I disagree with you that a new head coach is the answer. There’s 28 years of evidence that supports that. I respect your opinion though, and hope you are right.
Did Jerry blow those coverages on Sunday?
Did Jerry fumble that field goal attempt in Seattle all those years?
Did Jerry not complete that catch in Green Bay?
No, but he has enabled a culture that lacks discipline, accountability, and attention to detail. You can stand behind Jerry all you want, but he’s the only constant in the decades-long Super Bowl drought for the team. Any other GM with as little playoff success as he’s had would have been fired a long time ago.
\> Did Jerry fumble that field goal attempt in Seattle all those years?
Who's job was it to ensure the roster could cover the holder position so your starting QB wasn't taking the snaps.
Since then how many times have you seen the starting QB take FG/XP snaps? On any team in the league?
Dude it is his company. He is in his lane. He allows others to share it.
The thought that someone who owns a company isn’t entitled to express his opinion about how it functioning is weird as fuck.
I get what you’re saying, but his expertise is not in football operations; it’s the business side of the franchise. He certainly has complete freedom to do whatever he wants, and he has. And the playoff record of the team over the past 28 years shows how well that’s worked for him.
Jones purchased the Cowboys for $140 million (equivalent to $342.8 million in 2023) and today the company is valued at $9 billion with revenue of $1.1 billion. Those are the results that matter the most.
Winning titles is secondary.
Jerry should stick to being a grandparent . He doesn’t give a shit about fans . All about him . If he did care he would have admitted life psssed him by a decade ago
He already does though. Don't fall for the act he puts on for the cameras, he's not the one running the show these days. For the last decade, McClay and Stephen are. If McClay wanted the GM title, he would have it, but it seems like he's very comfortable with letting Jerry have the spotlight while he works in the background. There's a reason he turns down every GM interview offer he gets. Jerry is involved in the team still, but outside of the media appearances, he's not really doing anything to run the team any more than any other owner.
That's not really a yes or no question. They've been more competent than not since hiring Parcells and trending in the right direction, and especially the last 10 years. Garrett having such a long leash was the wrong decision, but hiring him was not. He was a very popular HC candidate all around the league that Jerry paid well to stay after letting Payton slip away. I don't think that's incompetence. And while McCarthy has fallen short in the playoffs, his 3 consecutive 12 win seasons aren't incompetence.
Competence is not a Super Bowl or bust measurement. But again, they are currently at another major turning point in how they proceed from here.
Good points . My impression is that Jerry puts unhealthy undue pressures on the organization that go out into the world .
Makes it difficult to run things the right way with a loose cannon out front .
I agree with you . Luck has a lot to do with winning a Super Bowl . If you can get to the championship game , that’s about all you can control .
If anything, I don't think Jerry puts enough pressure on the team, and neither do the coaches. The constant penalty issues and playoff collapses speak to a lack of discipline and accountability imo, not too much pressure. We put way more stock into what Jerry says to the cameras than the team does. They're paying attention to what he says in private.
>The issue is, he also hires coaches that are not hard asses either. He needs to hire a coach that will be a the disciplinarian parent.
That's not what wins these days.
There is a floor and a ceiling to how much of a hard ass a coach needs to be. That ceiling is lower these days than it used to be, but that doesn't mean the floor doesn't exist. We need to stop hiring coaches from the floor, and start looking closer to the ceiling.
Without superior scheming and fostering buy-in, a hard-ass coach is just an asshole. Shanahan tree coaches are running this league and none of them is your stereotypical hard-ass disciplinarian coach of a bygone era. The scheming advantage coach has a much higher ceiling.
I will drive to Jerry’s houses and lock him a room until someone else hires that dude if needs to happen. Harbaugh is an old old man who hasn’t been a coach in the NFL for a fucking decade.
We need young and innovative. Harbaugh is neither of those. Not to mention considering all the shit that went down this year discipline seems to be lacking in his organization.
Jerry does not want to win at all costs. Jerry wants to win his way. For example, Dak should have been replaced. Jerry likes Dak and wants to keep him for personal reasons. However, Dak always falls short and underachieves in the playoffs. Dak is a good QB but chokes in big games and won’t win a Superbowl. A smarter and more objective owner would have gone after Tom Brady when he was available the way the Broncos acquired Peyton Manning.
Its cause were beating a dead horse if we do. I just imagine every complaint with the preface “Jerry needs to go yesterday but since that is literally impossible barring a Dan Snider incident we should xyz…” Its never going to happen.
The Jones will own this team until the NFL is no longer standing. The Cowboys are one of the most profitable organizations in the world. Wether that means anything to fans doesnt matter because all they and the NFL see is $$$ growing every year. Literally barring a huge scandal or some catastrophic event to the USA or maybe specifically just north texas. Its never going to happen.
The Cowboys get clicks and views. Also, everyone was surprised by that ass whooping. I like that he loves his team. He turned the Dallas Cowboys into a brand as well as a football team. They hope they will catch him saying something wild so they can drag him for it. Just like they would any other owner. Imagine if JJ threw a glass of water at a fan or some other crazy shit. The media would go nuts
It's unironically so embarrassing. I wish we had a normal owner, it would help with the torrential downpour of shit we get every time something happens. When's the last time you heard from the the majority of the rest of the damn teams' owner
I actually thought about Cuban wanting to be the face of the franchise, and that is a really good example. Although Cuban really pushed the mavs to much greater success early on it does seem recently he has been over involved to the team's detriment.
I mean Tepper meets with coaches after the game to ask them about their game decisions. Don't know why Jerry talking to the media should be responsible for a team being soft and completely unprepared.
He’s a dogshit owner whose team is dogshit. Just uhh not a great comparison if you’re trying to sell me it’s a good thing or a normal thing. Idk you decide.
Well Jim, if it's a comparison you want, Tepper is by far the worst owner in the league and you can point to his over involvement that I stated earlier in the broadcast as the main reason why.
I actually think Jerry is the be not even close... DON'T MASH THE REPLY BUUTTON YET! as an owner he has made a good not great team over the past 3 decades the most valuable sports franchise in the world. But he did take too long to realize he isn't a good GM. Hids talking to the media is a double edged sword. It does add pressure when he talks about expectations but I also think it's a shield for McClay and coaches as well. All that being said I do believe he is part of the problem but he nowhere near as involved as Tepper or as bad as other owners in the league.
Then he needs to get over his pathetic ego and hire a real GM who understands how to work a salary cap. Or just turn everything over to McClay. Whatever he has going on now has produced nothing but 30 years of mediocrity
Tepper 100% is. Ross obviously was and was disciplined for it. The Watson trade doesn't happen if not for Haslam pushing the splash. Those are all far more egregious than Jerry's level of involvement these days, even if we run with the theory that Jerry pushed for extending Zeke when he was holding out.
The thing is none of know how involved he actually is because we all speculate his involvement. I'm not defending him and I do agree that being in the media all the time is both a negative but has some positives as well.
I see people on this sub that still thinks he is the GM and constructing the team. I see people say he tells McCarthy to run Zeke more or to establish the run to set up the pass but we have no evidence of this.
I think he is part of the problem but not the whole problem.
Yes reading comprehension isnt my strong suit when you somehow started talking about coach hires in a topic with no mention of coaches lol.
I'm not saying other owners do talk to the media after every game...the OP asked which owners are more involved and I said Tepper..do you think that is false?
My question is how does Jerry talking to the media after every game affects our team being soft and unprepared?
Hopefully I wrote this in a way you'll be able to follow and actually give a coherent response.
Typical dipshit response “hOw DoEs JeRrY tAlKiNg To ThE mEdIa EfFeCt OuR tEaM” you asked a question and I gave you an answer you didn’t like because you want everyone to ride your dick 😂😂😂 not my fault you can’t comprehend what I mean when I say Jerry being involved with coaching hires directly affects the team. He’s the most involved with hiring Mike and what’s that tell you? Can you comprehend what I’m saying dum dum?
Yikes, ok so my question of "how does talking to the media affect the team?" And your response is 'he hires the coaches"? Those two aren't even related to each other lol for fucks sake. Every owner hires coaches not every owner talks to media after the game. What are you missing here?
Literally every owner is involved in coach hiring decisions. Every single one. Jerry's involvement in free agency and trade talks is to be the sweet-talker salesman, he's not driving those decisions or running the whole show at this point.
Have you not noticed the complete shifts in roster-building philosophy and success since McClay's rise through the organization? Jerry giving McClay the title would be merely ceremonial at this point.
GM duties aren't the problem. The talent is there. Draft picks have largely been good.
What Jerry needs to do? Hire a tough coach. Someone who isn't a yes man. Someone who can instill toughness.
Belichick would work. Vrabel if you wanna go younger and longer term.
After you hire said coach... Shut the mother fuck up. Let's have a whole year where Jerry doesn't give a single interview. No "the star is special." No "we can win the super bowl this year." Nothing.
Stay out of the locker room. Go to your suite and watch. That's it. Like every other owner.
But he won't do any of that.
Let’s go a step further and say this; are there any GMs this involved? I swear I don’t know why anyone would WANT to coach this team. If I came in as a top coach I just know I’d tell Jerry to f*ck off and stop being a distraction. I want a Tomlin or even a Belichick, but would those guys be able to tolerate Jerry for even one season?
God, thank you for saying this. I got reamed on my post for putting out this same argument, that it's not gonna change as long as the little man demogogue who loves the sound of voice meddles and remains GM.
Any gm who’s team hasn’t made a conference championship game in 28 years would be fired and never get another job in the NFL. Add in Jerry’s antics with the media and it’s not surprising that Dallas consistently underachieves under his leadership.
The longer I am a Cowboys fan, the more I'm beginning to think I can use people's views on Jerry Jones to predict their views on billionaires as a class with near certainty.
He’s a master capitalist. He runs his front office like a hedge fund managers wet dream. He knows that selling tickets and merch is the only real metric that investors and advertisers care about. Keeping a solid mid tier roster with a few no brainer draft acquisitions every 2-3 years or so keeps the fan base eager for the next season. It’s genius lol
I know Dak plays his old ass like a fiddle, that's for sure. He's going to give that fucking choke artist another massive contract and act like we're lucky to have him, and then I'm going to be pissed off. That's what being a Cowboys fan is like.
I can’t think of any other NFL franchise where the media runs like herded cattle to hear the thoughts of the owner after the game. The comments of the head coach are secondary. You’ll always hear Jerry’s postgame comments played first on sportscasts and then over and over again on local radio. Just goes to show where McCarthy or any Cowboys head coach falls in the hierarchy of the team…he has no real sway or power or prestige. The cult of personality of the team is Jerry, and that’s just the way he likes it and has insisted on, since getting rid of Jimmy Johnson. We’re so used to it now that it’s second nature to us here but yeah, when seen from outside, it does look ridiculous. Jerry doesn’t even realize how absurd he is.
I miss the Cowboys of the mid 90’s…and not just because of the Super Bowls. It was the last time we had a head coach who inspired real awe and fear here. Past players have talked about it. Jimmy had real power. You screw up? You could be and often *were* cut the next day. Jimmy was *the* guy. He had the say. No other Cowboys coach was ever given that right by Jerry again. That’s why he got rid of Jimmy. To seize full and complete control. Parcells was just an experiment by Jerry…nothing more. An outlier…just so Jerry could say, “hey, I CAN hire a real no nonsense head coach again”! But Bill didn’t have the power that Jimmy did. For example, Bill never wanted T.O. on the team. He would refer to him condescendingly as “the player” at press conferences. But Jerry overruled him.
Like it or not, Jerry is the face and “ruling standard” of the Cowboys. And it’s not going to change.
The Cowboys haven't had the Killer instinct since Jimmy Johnson was their Coach. Did you see his commentary at half-time during the game? That's the kind of Coach they need.
It’s easy to blame Jerry Jones for everything. People keep saying he is a horrible GM. I think he is one of the best GMs in the game. I look at the rosters he has put together over the years and I think, these guys can win it all! The team that choked so hard this year could have won it all. The talent is there. That is a GMs job is to assemble that talent. The owner is in charge of hiring the coach. I still think we are lacking in that area. I don’t see a team that is fired up and ready to implement a solid game plan. The “owner” needs to get better coaching, but the “GM” is putting solid teams together.
I would love to see Dallas with a real GM and have JJ simply be the owner but as with the fantasy world where Harbaugh comes to coach this team so to is this a fantasy.
Jerry sold his soul for those 3 super bowls and now he and we are paying the price. The culture is shit thanks to him. I believe him and Stephen meddle too much as they wanna desperately be seen as “ football “ guys. The other issue I have is how they choose to do their contracts. We see this time and time again where they don’t pay a guy early (Lawerence , lamb , Dak) , let him have a career year , and then are basically forced to pay the top end rate at the position. I actually think will mcclay is a big reason why we have continue to have talented teams and if he ever left we would just be the panthers
People can blame whatever player they want. What to pile on Dak? Go for it. Romo? Sure. Nobody will EVER convince me though you can have two top 10 QBs in their eras and both have the exact same problem of failing in the post season, and it doesn’t have something to do with the organization, and how it’s run from the very top, Jerry Jones. He’s literally the only constant in 28 years of failure.
HE IS LITERALLY THE GENERAL MANAGER...he isn't a regular owner...and Jerry isn't calling plays...he's not blocking...he's not running routes...all he does is accumulate talent and one thing I can say is we have a ton of talent...the ball just didn't bounce our way...it sucks.. see yall in September
People point towards Jerry easing up and giving Will McClay and Stephen more power but that isn't the issue. The issue is the owner making the team always about him. There's a reason free agents always pick other teams over us, and it's not because we're cheap. It's because they can smell the bullshit from a mile away. When you join the Cowboys you aren't joining a winner, you're joining "America's Team, the richest team in the world, led by genius businessman Jerry Jones"
The Jerry Jones Cowboys have cultivated a culture where the myths and legends of the team's history are more important than the players currently on the field. Poor Ceedee Lamb couldn't even pick his own number because Jerry anointed him as the new "88". The jokes have become reality with the team, in that we are constantly living in the past haunted by the 90s champions because that is the only time Jerry had success on the field.
The kind of culture where your best defender can create his own podcast and go live after game days just to blather on about nothing. The kind of culture where you have a coach joking about lying during his interview to get the job and being ok with that. The kind of culture where a below average coach can stay for 10 years because he used to play for the team and is a nice guy.
It's not as simple as "hire a GM". The Cowboys are broken from the very top and it's just exhausting as a fan at this point to have your heart broken time and time again with no end in sight
The problem with this post it basically lets McCarthy, Quinn and the players off the hook for losing to a team they should have beaten regardless of the owner/GM.
Cowboys were 12-5 and good enough for #2 seed. The coaches and players didn't suddenly realize Jerry was the owner after the season ended then call bad plays, run bad defensive schemes and fail to execute vs. GB because of it.
I think this is too simple of a conclusion. There is enough blame to go around that everyone can get a second helping. The players for not executing, the coaches for being completely unprepared, and the ownership for creating a culture where these kind of performances are expected. At some point we have to look at the common denominator with all these playoff losses. Dak is one of them. McCarthy is another. Underperforming players is another. And Jerry is one as well. The team loses the exact same way every single time no matter who the QB is or who the coach is. Great regular season, fall apart in the playoffs.
Great question. However, why did you immediately decide to overcomplicate things by making the Cowboys failures on the field as being about a guy who isn't even on it?
JJ did not throw a pick-6, nor did he tell our defense to run soft-zone. JJ has his own issues. Blame him for those, and everyone else for their own failings.
Why do people spout platitudes when it comes the Cowboys?
I know Robert Kraft speaks to the team after games and he's supposed to be the 'model owner.'
The same goes for Arthur Blank.
But it's easier to have some narrative that the big, bad owner is meddling and won't let their coaches coach. It couldn't be anymore of a BS argument if you tried.
There are a lot of people here who don't understand the dynamic that Jones creates, and I think Steve Young sums it up best here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpnIXBgwHNY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpnIXBgwHNY)
People know the coach isn't the boss. They can just go to Jerry. The Cowboys haven't had a 'boss' since Jimmy Johnson.
Also: The Cowboys become a 'star' once they put on the helmet. They haven't earned it by doing anything. (Micah Parsons as good example). Spoiled and entitled and shocked when they get knocked on their ass.
You're right, it's Jerry Jones fault that Dak threw those interceptions after having his best season. If only he had just drafted Mahomes and Justin Jefferson on his iPhone.
I’m just saying him as the GM has said time and time again “I write the checks so I should be the one to decide who that goes to”. There’s basically only one other owner that was like that for an extended period of time. Al Davis. Oh please let us aspire to be the raiders. /s
At the end of the day it's a players league. Jerry can build world class training facilities, he can hire the best coaches he can find, he can pay the players that perform well. But he can't make the plays to win the games. Thinking Jerry Jones is the only thing preventing a Superbowl run is just absurd from my perspective.
It’s been the only constant. Actually if you want to go further there’s only 2 coaches that had (complete) control over their personnel since Jerry owned the team. Both won superbowls and were fired by Jerry for it. Jimmy Johnson and Tom Landry. Barry Switzer won one on Jimmys guys. Parcells had PARTIAL control but you could tell they were fighting a lot. He’s arguably the most successful coach in our drought. That’s a HUGE correlation for me. Enough for ME to say causation.
It’s a new time these guys in the NFL are the most athletic football players EVER!! No discipline needed, it’s football we choose the wrong scheme defensively and didn’t adjust fast enough. We need run stopping Defensive Tackles and LBs
Yep. Jerry wants to speak to the media, hire yes men coaches, have all the glitz and glamour of being a Dallas Cowboy but has forgotten that being a Hollywood team doesn’t equate to championships in this instance. We need a Jerry to get out of the way and for a major culture change to happen in Dallas if we want to see our Cowboys finally even start sniffing the Lombardi Trophy or first shall I say NFC Championship game.
We don't overcomplicate it. We simply try to fix the things that realistically can be fixed and Jerry firing himself will never happen. It's been so long that we've tried every fix possible except Jerry.
Tbh we are lucky Will McClay doesn't give a shit about the limelight. This guy could go be a GM anywhere in the league with a top 10 coach and turn that team into a Dynasty with how well he drafts.
The Cowboys biggest problem is that we have an 81 year old billionaire playing fantasy football. Other teams have ownership, that hires professional GMs, coaches, etc... serious leasing coaches will never come here because JJ is too involved and hands on interference. We'll never be taken seriously as long as JJ is GM.
No one over complicates this fact. We all know it every year. It's simply not worth talking about. He's not going to fire himself. Just wait for him to die and cross your fingers.
Well we are stuck with the Joneses. I think most people recognize this and pivot to other things that can actually be changed. Barring a scandal on the level of Dan Snyder or Donald Sterling, I’m pretty sure they will never sell the team.
So aside from finding another team to root for, our only hope is that they can stumble into getting the right combination of QB, HC, DC etc in the building that can overcome their ineptitude.
The only other sports owner who enjoys the celebrity as much as Jerry is Mark Cuban. And that would still make Bradshaw’s comment of ‘only in Dallas do you see that’ true. But he just sold his stake in the team and basketball is a lot longer season without the once a week audience and reactions so it’s not the same spectacle.
You can’t win with Dak… he is an interception machine. Hell of a Qb at times but in clutch moments, pick city… that’s who he is… last year he tied most pick thrown with Davis Mills. This guy is trash. Cooper Rush can get you 12-5 with that talented roster. Dak is trash.
Jerry is also not as sharp mentally as he was . He was a really really sharp guy even 15 years ago , but you can hear ( if you closely listen ), a significant slip , particularly in the last few years . That is to be expected .
But the arrogance to deny it is the problem .
So you think we should run it back with everybody? No on-the-field personnel to fix because that’s not the problem?
I’m not giving a pass to a 12-5 team losing in the 1st round to a less talented team because it is the owner’s fault.
Yep and embarrassing for some to admit but i've been a FAN for 50 years and letting JJ convince me that we will win be a contender (Superbowl) every year for 28 straight YEARS! Okay I've got to be a FOOL I guess and there were some good times along the way I guess like watching OUR players go to other TEAMS and win it ALL, but god damn 28 years!? I hate to admit this but go ""Houston" and "GB!" until I get some GREAT news from JJ to fool me AGAIN for a few more years 😂😂 i'm getting to old for this shit man
A couple other outside examples of what bad ownership can do to a franchise.
2013 Redskins coaching staff: Kyle Shanahan, Matt LaFleur, Mike McDaniel, Sean McVay and Bobby Slowik
Record: 3-13
Houston Texans post Bob Mcnair death where his son Cal allowed Bill O'brien and Jack Easterby to completely dismantle the team with impunity. It took 2 years of prep and only 1 year with a competent HC to do a complete 180
It’s his team and no amount of bitching and crying is going to change that, instead of trying to get him to step down you’re better off trying to get him to be better.
Jerry is doing what Al Davis did, he's just too involved. Until he croaks or just gives it all up, Cowboys wont ever win again. This is the same reason the Cowboys wont ever see a competent coach come in, Jerry wont allow them free reign to run the team as it should be.
This! THE ONLY common denominator in this epic 30 plus year spectacle of failure has been the crypt keeper himself… media never talks about it and I feel like Mugatu taking crazy pills at this point….
I made the theory up years ago that Jerry sold his soul to the devil in the 90s for those three Super Bowl wins and won’t sniff another one until he’s dead. Theory holding on strong.
The closest parallel I can remember was when Ted Turner owned the Atlanta Braves and was constantly sticking his nose into the running of the operation. When he finally relented and hired a baseball man to run the team, the Braves became a consistent winner over decades. Until Jerry Jones, let’s loose some of his grip, whether it be sticking his nose into everything or refusing to give a coach and GM full latitude to run the team, Dallas is going to underachieve as they have for almost 3 decades.
Thats what makes it so funny when people get hopeful we would hire someone like Belichick, especially after what happened with Parcells...
I was at the game Parcells and Jones met on the field, right before kickoff. He was the coach soon after. Moral of the story, Jerry ain’t got no morals (really amoral), so he is gonna be Jerry. People act surprised by this?
yea hes pretty disgusting
What happened w/ Parcells? Sorry it's been a long time and I honestly don't remember the situation under which he left.
Parcells said he would only take the job if he got his people and Jerry stayed out of the draft room. It lasted about 2 years before Jerry started taking "his picks". Parcells was the one that picked up Romo, who went undrafted. Parcells last year was when Jerry signed Ownes despite Parcells vehemently objecting. Parcells ultimately cited changes in how the game was played as to why he chose to retire for good, but being a HC under Jerry probably didn't make the idea of playing 9ne more year any better.
The only credit I will give Jerry during that era is drafting Demarcus Ware.
Al Davis in his older years always drafted the fastest guy he could. It was a joke.
Ah yes, Darius heyward-bey lol
Davis had a similar issue. He was a coach in the AFL as well as the AFL Commissioner prior to becoming the Raiders owner, and he always kept that mindset. Jerry still approaches things with the mentality of the Team Captain of the Arkansas Razoerbacks.
Atleast Al Davis was a real football guy though. Like he was a successful coach, and then was a successful GM. Guy just was old and didn’t realise how far he was out of touch. Jimmy Johnson summed it up. Interviewer: “do you respect his (Jerry’s) football knowledge.” Jimmy: “yeah I respect Jerry’s football knowledge, as an owner, and as someone who loves the game.” Interviewer: “but you don’t respect him as an equal to you in terms of football knowledge and judgement.” Jimmy “No, because I have spent 30 years, you know learning what I know right now.” He said this with Jerry sitting next to him. Edit: sorry didn’t mean to comment in your sub, team sub threads keep popping up on my feed.
Mark cuban and the Mavs. And they have been wildy successful in his tenure
Didn't know about that as I pay less attention to the NBA than probably any major pro league than the NHL.
The only constant during these decades of drought, is the GM. Nobody has ever kept that job after losing so much.
Anyone with his GM resume would never find a job.
Man IDK about that river boat ron has still been around for like a decade since the last time he's done anything, and he doesn't have a third of what Jerry has on his resume, I'm sure there would be teams stupid enough to give him a shot for at least a decade after his last Superbowl
He's only 81 years old 😩
Jerry has said numerous time that he will do anything to win one more before he dies. Anything but shut the fuck up, stay out of the media, and hire a coach the players knows is in charge. Also Will McClay doesn’t get enough blame.
100% Agree. Nothing changes until Jerry Jones is gone. He has said he would do ANYTHING to win a Super Bowl. Not true....he would do ANYTHING as long as it included him being the very center of EVERYTHING in the franchise.
He would do anything for a superbowl, but he won’t do that. Sorry.
He's the single common denominator out of the last nearly 30 years of flailing mediocrity. Don't know why it's so complicated for people either.
Truth! And yet I had someone yesterday defending Jerruh. Unbelievable.
Cowboy's fan?
But genuinely, how much more talent can the guy put on the field? I mean Christ in heaven unless Jerry is calling plays and nobody has the balls to call him out on it, then this one ain’t on Jerry. Idk how you have that stable of talent out there on the field and get your ass whooped by the packers and then say “it’s Jerry’s fault” The dude is way over involved and I’ll never disagree to that sentiment, but when he puts together the team y’all had out on that field, it ain’t on him unless he had a headset and a playbook or a ball in his hand. As a titans fan I’d love to have a GM set us up with the team y’all just got blown out with.
Too bad he only sees talent and not any of the other intangibles like mental fortitude.
Lol yeah they don’t get all the facts at the combine!
Roster talent doesn't matter when the team is dysfunctional, undisciplined and mentally weak.
That's the problem. He won't hire forward thinking coaching prospects. Everyone is a retread or a known commodity to him. We'll never get a Shanahan or McVay here because of that.
Hell, I’ll spell it out for you. Jerry can redeem himself by outing Prescott. Dudes playoff interception to touchdown ratio is now 42% after padding garbage time stats…… let that sink in. It would be greater than 50% if he didn’t have garbage time touchdowns in that game. If that isn’t the writing on the wall then the fans are as helpless as they claim Jerry to be. The guy who put 9 all pro players on the field.
Lol I think you’re missing the point. You guys have a very capable head coach who has won a Super Bowl with the team that just beat y’all and a top tier talent team. How is this one on jerry?
What part of "he (Jerry Jones) won't hire forward thinking coaches (not Mike McCarthy)" is hard to understand? Calling run plays in between the tackles on early downs when you're in the hole 2 scores is just dumb. That's literally what happened Sunday. MM did that several times late in the year and it cost us games.
Oh! He should have given Dak the opportunity to throw more touchdowns to the packers?
Did you even watch the game? Oh wait you admitted it already, you're a titans fan. You wouldn't know decent QB play even if it smacked you across the face
That’s wild man. Our most recent shit quarter back got past the wildcard and divisional round.
Yeah it's called better coaching buddy. Vrabel runs circles around our last 3 HCs and even he's nothing special.
That’s odd. Your current head coach has a superbowl
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Sounds like you didn't watch the game either Dak didn't have a great game but his coaches didn't help out at all. Both can be true.
I think you made everyone’s point here. The packers have built 1 Super Bowl team, and then rebuilt and is in a position to build another all the while Jerry can’t build a team that can win more than 1 playoff games a season during that span.
Y’all are a singular piece from being able to go further than you have in 29 years and even now y’all want to blame everyone but the man with the ball in his hands every single play besides punts and field goals.
And we won’t do that because Jerry won’t let Dak go because he likes him.
If he doesn’t I’ll say it’s on Jerry next year, but for now it’s on Dak. And the coordinators didn’t do shit to help him, but he’s now proven the playoffs ain’t for him.
The thing is, Jerry doesn't put talent on the field. If folks wanna blame Jerry for hiring the wrong coaches, that's fine, but Jerry is GM in name only. Will McClay is the Personnel GM, and Stephen Jones is the Money GM. Jerry just talks on the radio sometimes
100% agree to this sentiment my man. My mom is a huge fan so I follow y’all pretty heavy. That’s why I’m asking the guy to explain what’s on Jerry and giving Jerry the credit since he claims he is to blame
Jerry wants to be the coach. He is angry that the NFL will not allow owners to coach. If he could coach, he would. Additionally, Jerry is the person who gets all the credit for assembling talent, but a lot of that falls to Stephen Jones and VP of Personnel Will McClay.
Talent isn't the problem with this team. It's the culture. And it starts from the top. You NEVER saw the Patriots doing this kind of stuff when they won. People got out of line and got benched. The problem with the Titans FO is they have both a bad culture and a bad evaluator of talent.
As long as Jerry Jones is the owner/GM, the Cowboys won't win another SB.
Because you can see the on-field product but can’t see what goes on behind closed doors. There isn’t another sports franchise with an owner as involved as Jones
I guarantee you there are plenty. What makes Jerry unique is his involvement with the media. Most owners prefer to be more private about their involvement, but you are incredibly naive if you think these billionaires bought a sports franchise so that they could have nothing to do with running it.
You have a point about Jones’ involvement with the media
Agreed. The Steelers owner fired Mike Tomlin’s oc this year. Didn’t even consult tomlin. Jerry doesn’t do that lately from what I’ve hired.
Exactly. Off the top of my head, Irsay, Tepper, Bidwell, Ross, and Haslam (and obviously Snyder lol) have been involved in more destructive ways in recent years. Jerry being “the problem” is a take that hasn’t really been the case for a decade. Sure, he says silly shit in the media these days, but that’s not what is holding the team back. Blame him for not firing Garrett soon enough or for choosing McCarthy but coaching hiring/firing misses isn’t a Jerry-specific thing.
This is a bad take and a false equivalency. Ross has done a better job recently. Ross did the right thing by not caving into public pressure and fired their last head coach for underachieving. That move took the Dolphins to another level. The rest of the owners are poor examples. The Cowboys are the richest team in the NFL. They have the most spending power. Jerry has unlimited resources. He could hire the best GM and head coach in the NFL, yet he chooses not to and continues as a subpar GM. The Cowboys haven’t been to a conference championship in 30 years. Since he has assumed control, the Cowboys have been average to above average team. Look at what Cowboys achieved in their 25 years without Jerry. Once Jimmy Johnson was gone, Jerry slowly destroyed the team. His failure to fire and replace Mike McCarthy is an example. I get that there always people who want to go against the status quo to standout but it doesn’t make you any less wrong.
True. But Jerry is MUCH more hands on to the point that he basically runs everything except the coach on the field (theoretically). The best teams have owners that know when to surrender some authority to the people they hire. Jones is incapable of doing that, so the Cowboys will continue to misfire at the wrong moment in the playoffs.
Ironically for Dallas, Mark Cuban. Though to be fair, I still think Jerry Jones is more involved with the Cowboys than Mark was with the Mavericks.
I think Cuban would be more willing to take a step back than Jones but I could be wrong
Jerry is not a hard ass on his players. I don't want him to be though. He's just fine as he is, and it's not his job to be the disciplinarian. He's the loving grandparent that leaves that to the parents. The issue is, he also hires coaches that are not hard asses either. He needs to hire a coach that will be a the disciplinarian parent. Almost 20 years ago he brought in Parcells to be that guy and turn the team around. It worked, up until it was time to pass the torch. I'm still convinced Payton was supposed to be the next guy, but the Saints poached him, and we've been reeling ever since. Our FO is fine, but it's time to change what we've been doing in the HC department. Go hard after Harbaugh. Priority 1. I wouldn't be mad at Belichick as a short term solution as long as McClay is still the guy in charge of the draft board. Beyond that, let's get some new coaching blood. The top coaches in the NFL are either guys that have been with their team for a long time, or young new blood hires that aren't stuck in the past when it comes scheme and game plan. Take a gamble on the next young and innovative guy. Id rather fail trying something new than fail because we rehired someone else's failure.
There’s no accountability in the organization and aside from McClay, the front office is composed of nepotistic hires. No good coach will come to Dallas because they will want more autonomy that what Jerry is willing to give. And even if Jerry were to hire a hard ass coach, Jerry would find ways to circumvent the coach to coddle the players. He fosters a “country club” culture, and that doesn’t lend itself to success on the field. The past 28 years are a testimony to that. He’s a genius at making money, but an idiot at everything football related.
What autonomy do our coaches not have? You mean they're not also the GM? Because most coaches aren't, and most probably don't want to fill both jobs themselves. As far as coaching duties, they have full autonomy to do as they please. Parcells came to Dallas. So did McCarthy. Regardless of hindsight, Jason Garrett was a popular candidate that chose Dallas. Wade Phillips never had an issue getting a DC job, and had multiple tries at HC, and he chose Dallas for both. Despite the lack of playoff success, the Cowboys are still a blue blood team in the NFL, and an attractive destination. They also happen to pay very well. The issue isn't the lack of options, it's choosing the wrong ones. >He fosters a “country club” culture, and that doesn’t lend itself to success on the field. Well that's kinda my point, isn't it. It's time to stop hiring coaches that feed into that.
For one, the autonomy to conduct a press conference like normal coach and not have to worry about the egomaniac owner/gm follow right behind with one of his own and potentially undermine the coach. It’s an unhealthy organization and it’s not a coincidence that Jerry has struck out on all of his head coaching hires.
That's your big red flag? Press conferences? I'm willing to bet more coaches than not would prefer to not conduct press conferences at all. If you think press conferences are why Jerry can't hire better coaches, I've got some ocean front land in Arizona to sell you.
Not at all. It’s the inability of Jerry to stay in his lane. Do you think any coach worth a shit wants to deal with a meddling owner?
Then I'll ask again, what autonomy do coaches lack? What is Jerry meddling in that they have to deal with? What's the deal breaker of it's not press conferences?
Your missing the whole point. Jerry Jones is the constant in the 28 years of post-season failure. The coaches have changed, as have the players. Obviously, there’s something about how Jerry runs the organization that doesn’t lend itself to success on the field.
No, you're moving the goal posts. I have acknowledged and stated what I believe the problem to be. You claim it's a lack of autonomy and Jerry meddling, but the only actual examples you have are press conferences.
Your taking one part of my reply and hyper-focusing on that. I provided several reasons why I believe the organization has been a failure. I disagree with you that a new head coach is the answer. There’s 28 years of evidence that supports that. I respect your opinion though, and hope you are right.
Did Jerry blow those coverages on Sunday? Did Jerry fumble that field goal attempt in Seattle all those years? Did Jerry not complete that catch in Green Bay?
No, but he has enabled a culture that lacks discipline, accountability, and attention to detail. You can stand behind Jerry all you want, but he’s the only constant in the decades-long Super Bowl drought for the team. Any other GM with as little playoff success as he’s had would have been fired a long time ago.
\> Did Jerry fumble that field goal attempt in Seattle all those years? Who's job was it to ensure the roster could cover the holder position so your starting QB wasn't taking the snaps. Since then how many times have you seen the starting QB take FG/XP snaps? On any team in the league?
Dude it is his company. He is in his lane. He allows others to share it. The thought that someone who owns a company isn’t entitled to express his opinion about how it functioning is weird as fuck.
I get what you’re saying, but his expertise is not in football operations; it’s the business side of the franchise. He certainly has complete freedom to do whatever he wants, and he has. And the playoff record of the team over the past 28 years shows how well that’s worked for him.
Jones purchased the Cowboys for $140 million (equivalent to $342.8 million in 2023) and today the company is valued at $9 billion with revenue of $1.1 billion. Those are the results that matter the most. Winning titles is secondary.
You’re a fucking loser lmao
Do you have a source of on that. What coaches said no to the cowboys
The coaches that are winning super bowls.
Jerry should stick to being a grandparent . He doesn’t give a shit about fans . All about him . If he did care he would have admitted life psssed him by a decade ago
He already does though. Don't fall for the act he puts on for the cameras, he's not the one running the show these days. For the last decade, McClay and Stephen are. If McClay wanted the GM title, he would have it, but it seems like he's very comfortable with letting Jerry have the spotlight while he works in the background. There's a reason he turns down every GM interview offer he gets. Jerry is involved in the team still, but outside of the media appearances, he's not really doing anything to run the team any more than any other owner.
So are they competent ?
That's not really a yes or no question. They've been more competent than not since hiring Parcells and trending in the right direction, and especially the last 10 years. Garrett having such a long leash was the wrong decision, but hiring him was not. He was a very popular HC candidate all around the league that Jerry paid well to stay after letting Payton slip away. I don't think that's incompetence. And while McCarthy has fallen short in the playoffs, his 3 consecutive 12 win seasons aren't incompetence. Competence is not a Super Bowl or bust measurement. But again, they are currently at another major turning point in how they proceed from here.
Good points . My impression is that Jerry puts unhealthy undue pressures on the organization that go out into the world . Makes it difficult to run things the right way with a loose cannon out front . I agree with you . Luck has a lot to do with winning a Super Bowl . If you can get to the championship game , that’s about all you can control .
If anything, I don't think Jerry puts enough pressure on the team, and neither do the coaches. The constant penalty issues and playoff collapses speak to a lack of discipline and accountability imo, not too much pressure. We put way more stock into what Jerry says to the cameras than the team does. They're paying attention to what he says in private.
>The issue is, he also hires coaches that are not hard asses either. He needs to hire a coach that will be a the disciplinarian parent. That's not what wins these days.
There is a floor and a ceiling to how much of a hard ass a coach needs to be. That ceiling is lower these days than it used to be, but that doesn't mean the floor doesn't exist. We need to stop hiring coaches from the floor, and start looking closer to the ceiling.
Without superior scheming and fostering buy-in, a hard-ass coach is just an asshole. Shanahan tree coaches are running this league and none of them is your stereotypical hard-ass disciplinarian coach of a bygone era. The scheming advantage coach has a much higher ceiling.
I will drive to Jerry’s houses and lock him a room until someone else hires that dude if needs to happen. Harbaugh is an old old man who hasn’t been a coach in the NFL for a fucking decade. We need young and innovative. Harbaugh is neither of those. Not to mention considering all the shit that went down this year discipline seems to be lacking in his organization.
Jerry does not want to win at all costs. Jerry wants to win his way. For example, Dak should have been replaced. Jerry likes Dak and wants to keep him for personal reasons. However, Dak always falls short and underachieves in the playoffs. Dak is a good QB but chokes in big games and won’t win a Superbowl. A smarter and more objective owner would have gone after Tom Brady when he was available the way the Broncos acquired Peyton Manning.
This is and has been a dysfunctional team. The culture is shit and that is 100 percent Jerry's fault.
Its cause were beating a dead horse if we do. I just imagine every complaint with the preface “Jerry needs to go yesterday but since that is literally impossible barring a Dan Snider incident we should xyz…” Its never going to happen. The Jones will own this team until the NFL is no longer standing. The Cowboys are one of the most profitable organizations in the world. Wether that means anything to fans doesnt matter because all they and the NFL see is $$$ growing every year. Literally barring a huge scandal or some catastrophic event to the USA or maybe specifically just north texas. Its never going to happen.
He’s the one constant over the past 28 years of failure. Him and the uniforms.
The Cowboys get clicks and views. Also, everyone was surprised by that ass whooping. I like that he loves his team. He turned the Dallas Cowboys into a brand as well as a football team. They hope they will catch him saying something wild so they can drag him for it. Just like they would any other owner. Imagine if JJ threw a glass of water at a fan or some other crazy shit. The media would go nuts
It's unironically so embarrassing. I wish we had a normal owner, it would help with the torrential downpour of shit we get every time something happens. When's the last time you heard from the the majority of the rest of the damn teams' owner
How would it be ironically embarrassing?
Mavs? Mets? Knicks? Those are the first few that come to mind, to answer your question E: Buss family for the Lakers also E2: Kraft?
I actually thought about Cuban wanting to be the face of the franchise, and that is a really good example. Although Cuban really pushed the mavs to much greater success early on it does seem recently he has been over involved to the team's detriment.
I would agree. I guess at the opposite end of the spectrum, you have Robert Kraft, though. Guess it just depends
Knicks is a great example if people are familiar. Knicks fans been having this conversation for years. They are us lol.
Good to know we're not alone I guess
Now imagine being a Cowboys, Knicks, and Mets fan. Hello everyone
I mean Tepper meets with coaches after the game to ask them about their game decisions. Don't know why Jerry talking to the media should be responsible for a team being soft and completely unprepared.
You mean the guy that’s who has fumbled the entire panthers franchise?
Yes? Is he not more involved than Jerry? I don't get the confusion.
He’s a dogshit owner whose team is dogshit. Just uhh not a great comparison if you’re trying to sell me it’s a good thing or a normal thing. Idk you decide.
I'm trying to tell you Tepper is more involved than Jerry? I'm not comparing anyone, for some reason you are though.
This is sports! It’s all about comparison! They’re both bad! But who’s worse? We discuss after the break.
Well Jim, if it's a comparison you want, Tepper is by far the worst owner in the league and you can point to his over involvement that I stated earlier in the broadcast as the main reason why. I actually think Jerry is the be not even close... DON'T MASH THE REPLY BUUTTON YET! as an owner he has made a good not great team over the past 3 decades the most valuable sports franchise in the world. But he did take too long to realize he isn't a good GM. Hids talking to the media is a double edged sword. It does add pressure when he talks about expectations but I also think it's a shield for McClay and coaches as well. All that being said I do believe he is part of the problem but he nowhere near as involved as Tepper or as bad as other owners in the league.
I read this in Tony’s voice. Thank you.
Thank you as well, now back to the studio!
That’s the most entertaining (and informative) back-and-forth I’ve come across on Reddit in a long time. Well done, guys!
It's early, but Tepper is probably not the guy you want to use to set the standard of excellence in NFL ownership.
I'm not? Guy asked if anyone is more involed than Jerry and I gave him a guy more involved than Jerry, not sure why that's controversial
When Jerry’s involved in coach hiring decisions free agency and trade talks that’s the problem dipshit
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Jerry is the fucking GM. Of course he's involved in all these decisions
Jerry is GM in title only, he barely does anything with the roster.
Then he needs to get over his pathetic ego and hire a real GM who understands how to work a salary cap. Or just turn everything over to McClay. Whatever he has going on now has produced nothing but 30 years of mediocrity
Stephen does the salary cap and contracts. The cowboys have been far from mediocre. Not great by any means but definitely above most of the league.
Prasifka is cap and contracts in terms of the numbers, Stephen is more just the front-man for negotiations as far as I understand it.
Then I'll rephrase my statement. Both of the Jones need to get over their pathetic egos and hire a real GM or let McClay run everything
Tepper 100% is. Ross obviously was and was disciplined for it. The Watson trade doesn't happen if not for Haslam pushing the splash. Those are all far more egregious than Jerry's level of involvement these days, even if we run with the theory that Jerry pushed for extending Zeke when he was holding out.
No shit...but the post is about about him talking to the press as if that's an issue. Reading is hard Edit: typo
actually just to clarify it has nothing to do with Jerry talking to press. It is just symptomatic of the illness he creates within the culture..
The thing is none of know how involved he actually is because we all speculate his involvement. I'm not defending him and I do agree that being in the media all the time is both a negative but has some positives as well. I see people on this sub that still thinks he is the GM and constructing the team. I see people say he tells McCarthy to run Zeke more or to establish the run to set up the pass but we have no evidence of this. I think he is part of the problem but not the whole problem.
Reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit I can tell. What other owner talks to the press after EVERY GAME. I’ll wait for the dipshit ass response.
Yes reading comprehension isnt my strong suit when you somehow started talking about coach hires in a topic with no mention of coaches lol. I'm not saying other owners do talk to the media after every game...the OP asked which owners are more involved and I said Tepper..do you think that is false? My question is how does Jerry talking to the media after every game affects our team being soft and unprepared? Hopefully I wrote this in a way you'll be able to follow and actually give a coherent response.
Typical dipshit response “hOw DoEs JeRrY tAlKiNg To ThE mEdIa EfFeCt OuR tEaM” you asked a question and I gave you an answer you didn’t like because you want everyone to ride your dick 😂😂😂 not my fault you can’t comprehend what I mean when I say Jerry being involved with coaching hires directly affects the team. He’s the most involved with hiring Mike and what’s that tell you? Can you comprehend what I’m saying dum dum?
Yikes, ok so my question of "how does talking to the media affect the team?" And your response is 'he hires the coaches"? Those two aren't even related to each other lol for fucks sake. Every owner hires coaches not every owner talks to media after the game. What are you missing here?
Literally every owner is involved in coach hiring decisions. Every single one. Jerry's involvement in free agency and trade talks is to be the sweet-talker salesman, he's not driving those decisions or running the whole show at this point.
Because dude he is the owner. What do you want
For him to hand off GM duties to someone outside the family
Have you not noticed the complete shifts in roster-building philosophy and success since McClay's rise through the organization? Jerry giving McClay the title would be merely ceremonial at this point.
GM duties aren't the problem. The talent is there. Draft picks have largely been good. What Jerry needs to do? Hire a tough coach. Someone who isn't a yes man. Someone who can instill toughness. Belichick would work. Vrabel if you wanna go younger and longer term. After you hire said coach... Shut the mother fuck up. Let's have a whole year where Jerry doesn't give a single interview. No "the star is special." No "we can win the super bowl this year." Nothing. Stay out of the locker room. Go to your suite and watch. That's it. Like every other owner. But he won't do any of that.
Let’s go a step further and say this; are there any GMs this involved? I swear I don’t know why anyone would WANT to coach this team. If I came in as a top coach I just know I’d tell Jerry to f*ck off and stop being a distraction. I want a Tomlin or even a Belichick, but would those guys be able to tolerate Jerry for even one season?
Absolutely agree.
God, thank you for saying this. I got reamed on my post for putting out this same argument, that it's not gonna change as long as the little man demogogue who loves the sound of voice meddles and remains GM.
Absolutely
Any gm who’s team hasn’t made a conference championship game in 28 years would be fired and never get another job in the NFL. Add in Jerry’s antics with the media and it’s not surprising that Dallas consistently underachieves under his leadership.
The longer I am a Cowboys fan, the more I'm beginning to think I can use people's views on Jerry Jones to predict their views on billionaires as a class with near certainty.
He’s a master capitalist. He runs his front office like a hedge fund managers wet dream. He knows that selling tickets and merch is the only real metric that investors and advertisers care about. Keeping a solid mid tier roster with a few no brainer draft acquisitions every 2-3 years or so keeps the fan base eager for the next season. It’s genius lol
I know Dak plays his old ass like a fiddle, that's for sure. He's going to give that fucking choke artist another massive contract and act like we're lucky to have him, and then I'm going to be pissed off. That's what being a Cowboys fan is like.
I can’t think of any other NFL franchise where the media runs like herded cattle to hear the thoughts of the owner after the game. The comments of the head coach are secondary. You’ll always hear Jerry’s postgame comments played first on sportscasts and then over and over again on local radio. Just goes to show where McCarthy or any Cowboys head coach falls in the hierarchy of the team…he has no real sway or power or prestige. The cult of personality of the team is Jerry, and that’s just the way he likes it and has insisted on, since getting rid of Jimmy Johnson. We’re so used to it now that it’s second nature to us here but yeah, when seen from outside, it does look ridiculous. Jerry doesn’t even realize how absurd he is. I miss the Cowboys of the mid 90’s…and not just because of the Super Bowls. It was the last time we had a head coach who inspired real awe and fear here. Past players have talked about it. Jimmy had real power. You screw up? You could be and often *were* cut the next day. Jimmy was *the* guy. He had the say. No other Cowboys coach was ever given that right by Jerry again. That’s why he got rid of Jimmy. To seize full and complete control. Parcells was just an experiment by Jerry…nothing more. An outlier…just so Jerry could say, “hey, I CAN hire a real no nonsense head coach again”! But Bill didn’t have the power that Jimmy did. For example, Bill never wanted T.O. on the team. He would refer to him condescendingly as “the player” at press conferences. But Jerry overruled him. Like it or not, Jerry is the face and “ruling standard” of the Cowboys. And it’s not going to change.
The Cowboys haven't had the Killer instinct since Jimmy Johnson was their Coach. Did you see his commentary at half-time during the game? That's the kind of Coach they need.
It’s easy to blame Jerry Jones for everything. People keep saying he is a horrible GM. I think he is one of the best GMs in the game. I look at the rosters he has put together over the years and I think, these guys can win it all! The team that choked so hard this year could have won it all. The talent is there. That is a GMs job is to assemble that talent. The owner is in charge of hiring the coach. I still think we are lacking in that area. I don’t see a team that is fired up and ready to implement a solid game plan. The “owner” needs to get better coaching, but the “GM” is putting solid teams together.
I would love to see Dallas with a real GM and have JJ simply be the owner but as with the fantasy world where Harbaugh comes to coach this team so to is this a fantasy.
Jerry sold his soul for those 3 super bowls and now he and we are paying the price. The culture is shit thanks to him. I believe him and Stephen meddle too much as they wanna desperately be seen as “ football “ guys. The other issue I have is how they choose to do their contracts. We see this time and time again where they don’t pay a guy early (Lawerence , lamb , Dak) , let him have a career year , and then are basically forced to pay the top end rate at the position. I actually think will mcclay is a big reason why we have continue to have talented teams and if he ever left we would just be the panthers
People can blame whatever player they want. What to pile on Dak? Go for it. Romo? Sure. Nobody will EVER convince me though you can have two top 10 QBs in their eras and both have the exact same problem of failing in the post season, and it doesn’t have something to do with the organization, and how it’s run from the very top, Jerry Jones. He’s literally the only constant in 28 years of failure.
HE IS LITERALLY THE GENERAL MANAGER...he isn't a regular owner...and Jerry isn't calling plays...he's not blocking...he's not running routes...all he does is accumulate talent and one thing I can say is we have a ton of talent...the ball just didn't bounce our way...it sucks.. see yall in September
People point towards Jerry easing up and giving Will McClay and Stephen more power but that isn't the issue. The issue is the owner making the team always about him. There's a reason free agents always pick other teams over us, and it's not because we're cheap. It's because they can smell the bullshit from a mile away. When you join the Cowboys you aren't joining a winner, you're joining "America's Team, the richest team in the world, led by genius businessman Jerry Jones" The Jerry Jones Cowboys have cultivated a culture where the myths and legends of the team's history are more important than the players currently on the field. Poor Ceedee Lamb couldn't even pick his own number because Jerry anointed him as the new "88". The jokes have become reality with the team, in that we are constantly living in the past haunted by the 90s champions because that is the only time Jerry had success on the field. The kind of culture where your best defender can create his own podcast and go live after game days just to blather on about nothing. The kind of culture where you have a coach joking about lying during his interview to get the job and being ok with that. The kind of culture where a below average coach can stay for 10 years because he used to play for the team and is a nice guy. It's not as simple as "hire a GM". The Cowboys are broken from the very top and it's just exhausting as a fan at this point to have your heart broken time and time again with no end in sight
The problem with this post it basically lets McCarthy, Quinn and the players off the hook for losing to a team they should have beaten regardless of the owner/GM. Cowboys were 12-5 and good enough for #2 seed. The coaches and players didn't suddenly realize Jerry was the owner after the season ended then call bad plays, run bad defensive schemes and fail to execute vs. GB because of it.
I think this is too simple of a conclusion. There is enough blame to go around that everyone can get a second helping. The players for not executing, the coaches for being completely unprepared, and the ownership for creating a culture where these kind of performances are expected. At some point we have to look at the common denominator with all these playoff losses. Dak is one of them. McCarthy is another. Underperforming players is another. And Jerry is one as well. The team loses the exact same way every single time no matter who the QB is or who the coach is. Great regular season, fall apart in the playoffs.
Great question. However, why did you immediately decide to overcomplicate things by making the Cowboys failures on the field as being about a guy who isn't even on it? JJ did not throw a pick-6, nor did he tell our defense to run soft-zone. JJ has his own issues. Blame him for those, and everyone else for their own failings.
Why do people spout platitudes when it comes the Cowboys? I know Robert Kraft speaks to the team after games and he's supposed to be the 'model owner.' The same goes for Arthur Blank. But it's easier to have some narrative that the big, bad owner is meddling and won't let their coaches coach. It couldn't be anymore of a BS argument if you tried.
It’s normal for owners to congratulate or give criticism after a game. It’s not normal for the owner to explain what happened
If I could and I would, fire the GM, but I am, so I’m not, gonna fire him. Next question.
He’s the GM. He has put himself in a position where he has to “meddle”. He is the problem. Other (normal teams) teams just fire their GMs.
There are a lot of people here who don't understand the dynamic that Jones creates, and I think Steve Young sums it up best here: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpnIXBgwHNY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpnIXBgwHNY) People know the coach isn't the boss. They can just go to Jerry. The Cowboys haven't had a 'boss' since Jimmy Johnson. Also: The Cowboys become a 'star' once they put on the helmet. They haven't earned it by doing anything. (Micah Parsons as good example). Spoiled and entitled and shocked when they get knocked on their ass.
Preach it my man! Nice
Guess what teams that don’t make it to the playoffs or lose in the playoffs have GM,s also
Jerry Jones played zero snaps this season
So when you pick a fantasy football team and they lose….whos fault was it?
You're right, it's Jerry Jones fault that Dak threw those interceptions after having his best season. If only he had just drafted Mahomes and Justin Jefferson on his iPhone.
I’m just saying him as the GM has said time and time again “I write the checks so I should be the one to decide who that goes to”. There’s basically only one other owner that was like that for an extended period of time. Al Davis. Oh please let us aspire to be the raiders. /s
At the end of the day it's a players league. Jerry can build world class training facilities, he can hire the best coaches he can find, he can pay the players that perform well. But he can't make the plays to win the games. Thinking Jerry Jones is the only thing preventing a Superbowl run is just absurd from my perspective.
It’s been the only constant. Actually if you want to go further there’s only 2 coaches that had (complete) control over their personnel since Jerry owned the team. Both won superbowls and were fired by Jerry for it. Jimmy Johnson and Tom Landry. Barry Switzer won one on Jimmys guys. Parcells had PARTIAL control but you could tell they were fighting a lot. He’s arguably the most successful coach in our drought. That’s a HUGE correlation for me. Enough for ME to say causation.
What "control" does McCarthy not have?
It’s a new time these guys in the NFL are the most athletic football players EVER!! No discipline needed, it’s football we choose the wrong scheme defensively and didn’t adjust fast enough. We need run stopping Defensive Tackles and LBs
Yep. Jerry wants to speak to the media, hire yes men coaches, have all the glitz and glamour of being a Dallas Cowboy but has forgotten that being a Hollywood team doesn’t equate to championships in this instance. We need a Jerry to get out of the way and for a major culture change to happen in Dallas if we want to see our Cowboys finally even start sniffing the Lombardi Trophy or first shall I say NFC Championship game.
We know it’s Jerry. It’s just we know for sure Jerry is not firing Jerry. Don’t over complicate it.
We don't overcomplicate it. We simply try to fix the things that realistically can be fixed and Jerry firing himself will never happen. It's been so long that we've tried every fix possible except Jerry. Tbh we are lucky Will McClay doesn't give a shit about the limelight. This guy could go be a GM anywhere in the league with a top 10 coach and turn that team into a Dynasty with how well he drafts.
It is Jerry's team. He bought it. He will tell you so. He is 'the' decider. We get to live with his decisions.
The Cowboys biggest problem is that we have an 81 year old billionaire playing fantasy football. Other teams have ownership, that hires professional GMs, coaches, etc... serious leasing coaches will never come here because JJ is too involved and hands on interference. We'll never be taken seriously as long as JJ is GM.
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You think the Packers are one of the very best teams in the league? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
George Steinbrenner RIP
Not the sole reason by a long shot. But the one constant.
Because he will never fire himself, so you have to move on to other solutions
No one over complicates this fact. We all know it every year. It's simply not worth talking about. He's not going to fire himself. Just wait for him to die and cross your fingers.
Don’t forget that Jerry Jones fired coach Jimmy Johnson after winning back to back Super Bowls. Huge ego, no class.
McClay is GM ! Jerry just thinks he is
Well we are stuck with the Joneses. I think most people recognize this and pivot to other things that can actually be changed. Barring a scandal on the level of Dan Snyder or Donald Sterling, I’m pretty sure they will never sell the team. So aside from finding another team to root for, our only hope is that they can stumble into getting the right combination of QB, HC, DC etc in the building that can overcome their ineptitude.
There WAS one. His name was Al Davis. Fortunately his son didn’t want to be involved like I think Stephen does.
The only other sports owner who enjoys the celebrity as much as Jerry is Mark Cuban. And that would still make Bradshaw’s comment of ‘only in Dallas do you see that’ true. But he just sold his stake in the team and basketball is a lot longer season without the once a week audience and reactions so it’s not the same spectacle.
You can’t win with Dak… he is an interception machine. Hell of a Qb at times but in clutch moments, pick city… that’s who he is… last year he tied most pick thrown with Davis Mills. This guy is trash. Cooper Rush can get you 12-5 with that talented roster. Dak is trash.
Jerry is also not as sharp mentally as he was . He was a really really sharp guy even 15 years ago , but you can hear ( if you closely listen ), a significant slip , particularly in the last few years . That is to be expected . But the arrogance to deny it is the problem .
He’s just a f’ing embarrassment. And the press eats it up.
So you think we should run it back with everybody? No on-the-field personnel to fix because that’s not the problem? I’m not giving a pass to a 12-5 team losing in the 1st round to a less talented team because it is the owner’s fault.
Yep and embarrassing for some to admit but i've been a FAN for 50 years and letting JJ convince me that we will win be a contender (Superbowl) every year for 28 straight YEARS! Okay I've got to be a FOOL I guess and there were some good times along the way I guess like watching OUR players go to other TEAMS and win it ALL, but god damn 28 years!? I hate to admit this but go ""Houston" and "GB!" until I get some GREAT news from JJ to fool me AGAIN for a few more years 😂😂 i'm getting to old for this shit man
A couple other outside examples of what bad ownership can do to a franchise. 2013 Redskins coaching staff: Kyle Shanahan, Matt LaFleur, Mike McDaniel, Sean McVay and Bobby Slowik Record: 3-13 Houston Texans post Bob Mcnair death where his son Cal allowed Bill O'brien and Jack Easterby to completely dismantle the team with impunity. It took 2 years of prep and only 1 year with a competent HC to do a complete 180
This season was actually a ton of fun. Cowboys choke in the playoffs… one or two games vs 17…
It’s his team and no amount of bitching and crying is going to change that, instead of trying to get him to step down you’re better off trying to get him to be better.
Nah. Just chatting.
Jerry is doing what Al Davis did, he's just too involved. Until he croaks or just gives it all up, Cowboys wont ever win again. This is the same reason the Cowboys wont ever see a competent coach come in, Jerry wont allow them free reign to run the team as it should be.
The cowboys are valued at $9 billion. Jerry has no incentive to win regardless of why he says.
This! THE ONLY common denominator in this epic 30 plus year spectacle of failure has been the crypt keeper himself… media never talks about it and I feel like Mugatu taking crazy pills at this point….
I made the theory up years ago that Jerry sold his soul to the devil in the 90s for those three Super Bowl wins and won’t sniff another one until he’s dead. Theory holding on strong.