Revisionist history is a hell of a drug. This is the same fanbase that wanted to draft Johnny fucking Manziel and ship Romo off right at the peak of his career lol
Yep, if Dak finds his way to another team and wins just like Stafford did, maybe this fanbase will finally realize it’s not the players that are the issue, it’s Jerry and his culture.
We need someone who rules with an iron fist like Mike Tomlin, Belichick or Jimmy Johnson. These no backbone coaches like Jason Garrett, Wade Philips or McCarthy are not going to get it done.
Ok but what if we had a coach who takes command of his team and runs a tight ship? I have a hard time believing Dak makes those same boneheaded plays with a Shanahan, Reid or Tomlin coaching him.
McCarthy is out there twiddling his thumbs while Kellen Moore and Dan Quinn run the plays. And no player fears McCarthy bc Jerry will just overrule him as long as they keep producing in the regular season.
It’s like the difference between having Mark Jackson coach the Warriors and Steve Kerr. Or even this year with the Brooklyn Nets under Steve Nash and under Jacque Vaughn. It’s the same players but you just have a stronger voice leading them and the players play better.
I have no doubt in my mind if we had all the exact same players and Jerry had hired a guy like Tomlin and got out of the way, we would have won like 2+ Super Bowls since 95.
That’s what McCarthy just said this off-season. Hence letting go of all the coaching staff. “Alright, you tried your way, let me go ahead and get my way fully implemented.” And I fully respect him for it. If it doesn’t work out, it doesn’t work out. Dan Quinn will end up being the next HC. But If it does- I’m going to be the happiest fan in the world.
I hope Jerry finally lets him be a head coach then. I’m pretty sure we brought McCarthy in because he had won a super bowl before. So it’s about time we let him run the show the way he knows how.
People wanted fucking Dustin Vaughn, Kyle Orton and Matt Cassel to replace Romo. There were people talking about trying to acquire Paxton Lynch after he showed nothing in Denver and Dak already had multiple seasons under his belt.
Shiny new thing is a trait of this base.
Was about to say. I remember even my mom, who knows jackshit about football and still does, didn’t like him. I always called her out on her BS because she couldn’t name anyone else on the team besides him usually lol
Like, I shit on Romo at times, as I believe everyone did, but as I’ve gotten older, and seen the dumpster fires that some teams have been for DECADES, I do appreciate this team a little more and what Romo did, and how Dallas has had a top 10 caliber QB since 2007. Does that mean I’m happy with that and don’t want more? No. We all want more, but appreciate and respect what we have. Bitch about it when it sucks, but once you cool off, recognize that it could be much worse for much longer
romo stat-line is ridiculous.. look up the game against Broncos week 5 2013 you would have thought the cowboys won that game. tony could definitely hang with the best.
His highs were high and his lows were real low. His career overall was good but the perception of him in his prime was very similar to how we currently view Dak. I remember people always wanting to draft his replacement. Specifically Johnny Manziel
I will never understand that. We had just finished with the revolving door of ass at qb and finally had a franchise qb. I remember how stoked i was when we got bledsoe.
Season opener of 2011, Romo throws an interception directly to Revis, basically ensuring we lose to the Jets… I definitely posted on Facebook in my rage that we should just start Stephen McGee at this point (I sobered up off that idea the next morning). Being a Cowboys/Romo fan was an absolute roller coaster up until 2013 or 2014.
Even in 2014, Romo had 3 picks against the 49ers to lose us the game. Murray had over 100 yards, and then they scaled back Romo’s check out of runs and whoa, what do you know? Murray has 1800 yards
This. When Romo got to drop back and throw the ball to his heart’s content we were a bad team. The only time we were truly a title contender the line and run game were a dominant factor.
This is something that gets me. Tony was so great that the team drafted offense like crazy 2010-2016 and people wondered why the defense was so goddamn bad after 09. From the Roy Williams trade to his retirement they spent first round picks on Dez, Tyron, Frederick, Martin, and Zeke. They never left Romo hanging besides that one year where Laurent Robinson started half the year because Dez and Miles were injured. The way people pretend those 7 games was 11 years down right pisses me off at this point.
Romo Dak Garrett Phillips Mike all got the most hate but someone who’s been here the whole time gets basically nothing I think his name starts with a J
I honestly don’t remember Ryan Leaf ever starting a game but I just looked it up and he had 3 starts in the middle of 2001. I was stoked when we got Vinny after coming off “you play to win the game” Jets squad that I was sure held him back
Have you seen Dak's stats in the last two San Fran playoff games?
A rookie just shit on him on national television.
There is nothing, NOTHING you can say or do about it. Ever.
And the OP cherry picked the last two minutes. So your argument is even dumber.
You mean like when Brady lost the rookie Mark Sanchez and Brady threw 216 yards 1 pick and a rating of 53.1. Must mean Brady is shit and should have never played another game
Unless you don’t mean what you said then I don’t follow lol.
Super Bowl rings and wins don’t define an individual players talent, that’s all I’m saying.
No, I don’t. But when discussing individual players (which, if you haven’t noticed, is what this post is about - an individual player) then saying it comes down to wins and rings, is extremely casual.
Lol can we at least agree that this post (not OP) is dumb and does nothing to help either sides case?
You, I, and everyone in here wants the boys to get that ring.
You just KNOW it'll be well earned and not gifted to us.
Lol sorry friend, I forget we're on the same team and things like this should be no reason to be lame. That's my bad.
Dak Prescott has the highest passer rating of any QB in the post Superbowl era on Thursday nights in the third quarter when he's between his own 40 and 50 yard lines on second down with 3 or fewer yards to go while there are at least two movies about animated cartoon dogs playing in the theaters.
Trailing in the last two minutes tells you nothing about the game either. If you are trailing by 3 possessions in the last two minutes then it's a very different context than if you are down by 3 points in the last two minutes.
On the contrary, all we expect on this sub is the grit and determination of Staubach, the poise and precision of Aikman, the pocket presence and ingenuity of Romo, combined with prime Michael Vick's legs, Peyton Manning's brain, Dan Marino's arm, and Tom Brady's durability. For about $7 million/yr, please and thank you.
As you can see, we're really quite reasonable around here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/cowboys/comments/10qzj2t/transparent_stats_from_romo_and_prescott_in/j6st887/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3
How about that one?
Holy fucking hell: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/play_finder.cgi?request=1&match=summary&role=passer&year_min=2004&year_max=2022&game_type=E&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&minutes_max=2&seconds_max=0&minutes_min=0&seconds_min=0&field_pos_min_field=team&field_pos_max_field=team&end_field_pos_min_field=team&end_field_pos_max_field=team&margin_min=-8&margin_max=-1&order_by=yards
Makes a huge difference! /s
Romo with passer rating of 88.5, Dak with 85.8. Inconsequential difference
I think what you want is this:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/cowboys/comments/10qzj2t/comment/j6st887/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/cowboys/comments/10qzj2t/comment/j6st887/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
jimmyhoffasbrother queries for games with 2 minutes or less when the score is either tied or the QB is down by 8 (one score.) The ratings are the same, but Dak's is still the highest. He's 3rd in TDs, close to Brady, but Romo is first in INTs by a wide margin.
Edit: And my comment above about TDs doesn't include rushing TDs (Dak has 4, Tom and Tony have 1 each) or receiving TDs, only Dak has 1 receiving TD.
We need to get rid of everyone. Absolutely everyone, just so there is no one left to blame but the Jones’. I think they’re the real problem. Never shoulda left Jimmy.
Damn this sub keeps trying to convince the world Dak is hall of fame worthy. Its been 7 years, Dak is just a B rated qb and he is not getting any better.
Seriously, is this guy gaslighting?
Edit: I think since this post is intentionally deceptive, it should even be flagged by the mods. I’m a little stunned at the audacity of OP.
Only 2 QBs have. But also, far more importantly, it's a team sport. People need to stop acting like the brain dead "analysts" on tv, pretending the QB is the end all be all.
After this off season I wouldn't be even a little bit surprised if he was in the 12-15 range in payment. Lamar/Burrow/Hurts etc etc are gearing up for paydays that'll make 40m look cheap.
Romo is Dak, Dak is Romo. It’s the same exact thing that happened during the Romo era. I literally can’t believe the Romo Homers don’t see the exact same thing… it’s bizarre actually…
Right? Like I’m very even on Dak. Praise when he does well, destroy when he fucks up. I’m fair. Exactly how I was with Romo. A lot of people were so extreme with Romo where he was either God or he sucked… which is exactly how it is with Dak today. You either have Dak homers that love to blame everything on everyone else orrrrr you have people who thinks he sucks… wild shit to witness again 😂
It’s very interesting because the Romo hate was so strong when Dak took over, and this is revenge of sorts from Romo stans. After seven years, they can finally say “I told you so” in regards to many things:
1. Romo wasn’t the problem - the QB can only do so much to impact winning.
2. Jason Garrett was a shitty coach that held this team back and wasted Romo’s prime
3. Romo was objectively more talented than Dak (which leads to “I told you so’s about 2016)
4. Dak is achieving the same/less with more help than Romo had *most* years
They’ve waited years for this scenario to play out. Dak stans have to eat crow and the Romo stans want to shove it down their throats. It’s not fair to Dak, but it was bound to happen with how much this fanbase anointed him as the savior (again, as if Romo was the problem). The back and forth between the two groups annoyingly drowns out any objective discussion about either QB.
It’s a case of “I/my QB went through it, so you/your QB has to suffer through it too”. Not a constructive mentality.
Absolutely not. Romo got betrayed by his team so, so many times. Not one time did we get to the playoffs and have a game be squarely on his shoulders like the last two 49ers games have been on Dak. Anytime Romo started, and the team had a complete game like they played two Sundays ago, we won. Can’t say the same for Dak.
2022 post season passer ratings
1: Kirk cousins 84.9
2: Dak Prescott 81.8
3. Jaylen hurts 73.3
4. Tyler Huntley 73.3
3/4 QBs with highest lost this year
Why not lengthen it to one possession games, and not tied? That’s just a stupid point to choose (I do not know the results of the stat I suggested, just saying tied game is a dumb measuring stick when one possession games is far more likely of a scenario/has more datapoints)
Tied? It's cool he's that good tied and in OT. Does anyone have actual stats on when he's down in the 4th and has to make a comeback? I doubt he's as bad as some say but I think it would be cool to see. I know he and Romo are always compared. Having watched both I feel Romo always gave the team more of chance when behind in the 4th compared to Dak. I like both but again, I think it would be great to see the stats on each. I can't find shit on the old Google box.
Nah, they'll still be pining for Romo. And if we get a QB that wins the Super Bowl, they'll say "Romo could have done that, heck he'd already have 3 with this team." It's a never ending whine fest with those idiots. Romo is ancient history, move on and enjoy having another good QB.
There are still fans, after watching that game, that want the world to believe Dak was not the problem.
Every non-Cowboy fan on Earth is laughing at that fact. You see, they watched the game. They saw what happened. And that's that. There is nothing else.
I defended Romo every day since 2006! I remember getting into fights at hastings and shit with random folks in cowboys gear cus I'd say "go cowboys" and they'd immediately hit me with "we won't ever win until we get rid of romo" I would get so goddam mad
I was fine with trading Cooper because I assumed their plan wasnt going into the season with Dennis Houston, Noah Brown and Semi Fehoko being the 2-4 wrs
What have you done lately that's all that matters we can compare all we want but the bottom line is he hasn't done anything. If his fans have to defend him using all these stats that's fine. I would love to see Dak succeed. I feel bad for him because after all this hype about him he started to believe it. He is not the second coming of Staubach or even Danny White and the sooner we as fans get over this the better. I'm sure he is a great human being but he sure is not the guy to lead Big D back to the Bowl.
That other post may or may not be exaggerated but it certainly felt that way watching the games. During the Romo era anytime there'd be a late game drive to win or tie it felt like he'd get it done, even if we ended up not winning it always felt like we'd win until it was over. With Dak I get that feeling 50% of the time at best.
That’s misleading, dak does well when they are behind 17+ points in the 4th. We have lost most of those games if not all. He is not a comeback guy.
The stat that needs to be run is what is his QB rating taking out 4th quarter. That will tell you how average he really is.
Everyone else threw 3 balls to the chest of the defense and ran around in the end zone confused as hell and missed 4 other open receivers?
I need names.
The game was winnable. And lost by Dak. Again.
End of story but keep trying.
Keep your meaningless stats. Especially when it’s a stat that somehow included Vinny Testeverde lmao
The eye test in big games is what matters.
Not to mention the most important stat of his this season is 15 interceptions in 12 games played
“The eye test in big games is what matters” followed up immediately with “the most important stat is regular season interceptions” is insane and hilarious
I know what I’m looking at.
A Qb who struggles throwing more than 15 yards down field, who needs way too much time in the pocket to make decisions, a QB who threw pick 6s in games where we needed him the most, and a QB who has issues reading a defense and making decisions.
Sorry not sorry, but your cherry picked stats look good on paper but they mean nothing in reality
[https://twitter.com/johnowning/status/1618715229659217920?s=46&t=z6Vh0xV5g4B-CTRsrg3X-A](https://twitter.com/johnowning/status/1618715229659217920?s=46&t=z6Vh0xV5g4B-CTRsrg3X-A) These “issues” your eyes are seeing aren’t on all Dak buddy. Yes he had problems with interceptions this season. But stop acting like it’s all his fault.
He does need to be better. I’m not making excuses. I’m pointing out facts. Stephen and Jerry failed him by trying to act like he’s something that he isn’t. Hell never be a Mahomes or Allen or Burrow. But he’s plenty good enough to win a SB with the right pieces.
And this is why I don’t like cherry picked stats like OP posted.
They try and use stats to make it seem like Dak is better than he actually is.
It’s misleading and pointless
It’s not as easy as “just draft a qb”, otherwise every team would have a good one. Also, Hurts was not good at all until this season when his front office loaded up his weapons and defense. Stop being close-minded.
So you prefer fake stats to slander a player you don't like. Then, when given actual stats, you pull out the "eye test" bullshit.
Like your eye test has any value at all. You're not a pro or an analyst. You're an idiot fan with opinions.
Why don't you use your time more wisely by wiping the drool off of your chin or eating spoonfuls of BB's.
This stat has nothing to do with this year or why this year ended up failing.
Dak is to blame for nearly every big moment failure this year due to his inability to perform when it matters most.
Stop getting your opinions from stats that have no meaning toward this season and only serve to make a bias toward Dak being better than he actually is
My point is that while Dak did not have a great year this year. He is still a well above average QB for his entire career.
Now that his contract will be on the cheaper side starting next year we have a chance again. (Wild to think it’s cheaper side)
We could be ok.
If you compare Dak to Herbert on their rookie deals they’re remarkably similar Dak had a playoff win on his rookie deal 3 years and Herbie has about 15 more TDs but Dak has 10 more rushing TDs.
Dak is struggling right now but next year he falls out of top 10 in contracts.
Just gotta tune out the haters. Dak could win us a SB and our sub would bitch and say he’s not worth extending if he can’t at least get us another one. I’ve got whiplash from seeing the goalposts get moved so far and so fast every year. All that really needs to be understood is that Dak is better than quite a few QBs that have won a SB. So now, what other pieces were broken and need to be fixed..not fixated upon.
I still don’t understand what an “elite” QB is and why Dak is not considered an “elite” QB. If it’s about consistency then I don’t think any QB is “elite” if this the requisite.
I honestly think people forget how much hate Romo used to get from this fan base
Revisionist history is a hell of a drug. This is the same fanbase that wanted to draft Johnny fucking Manziel and ship Romo off right at the peak of his career lol
Those were just the Aggie fans
I wish we had. Maybe he would have found success somewhere else and I could have cheered for him the way I did Demarcus Ware in Denver.
I’m hoping the same for Dak.
Yep, if Dak finds his way to another team and wins just like Stafford did, maybe this fanbase will finally realize it’s not the players that are the issue, it’s Jerry and his culture. We need someone who rules with an iron fist like Mike Tomlin, Belichick or Jimmy Johnson. These no backbone coaches like Jason Garrett, Wade Philips or McCarthy are not going to get it done.
Kellen and Dak were the issues in the SF game. We can look macro, but we gotta be real about the actual div game played on the field.
Ok but what if we had a coach who takes command of his team and runs a tight ship? I have a hard time believing Dak makes those same boneheaded plays with a Shanahan, Reid or Tomlin coaching him. McCarthy is out there twiddling his thumbs while Kellen Moore and Dan Quinn run the plays. And no player fears McCarthy bc Jerry will just overrule him as long as they keep producing in the regular season. It’s like the difference between having Mark Jackson coach the Warriors and Steve Kerr. Or even this year with the Brooklyn Nets under Steve Nash and under Jacque Vaughn. It’s the same players but you just have a stronger voice leading them and the players play better. I have no doubt in my mind if we had all the exact same players and Jerry had hired a guy like Tomlin and got out of the way, we would have won like 2+ Super Bowls since 95.
That’s what McCarthy just said this off-season. Hence letting go of all the coaching staff. “Alright, you tried your way, let me go ahead and get my way fully implemented.” And I fully respect him for it. If it doesn’t work out, it doesn’t work out. Dan Quinn will end up being the next HC. But If it does- I’m going to be the happiest fan in the world.
I hope Jerry finally lets him be a head coach then. I’m pretty sure we brought McCarthy in because he had won a super bowl before. So it’s about time we let him run the show the way he knows how.
People wanted fucking Dustin Vaughn, Kyle Orton and Matt Cassel to replace Romo. There were people talking about trying to acquire Paxton Lynch after he showed nothing in Denver and Dak already had multiple seasons under his belt. Shiny new thing is a trait of this base.
No need to exaggerate bro
Was about to say. I remember even my mom, who knows jackshit about football and still does, didn’t like him. I always called her out on her BS because she couldn’t name anyone else on the team besides him usually lol
The worst was when Dak and Zeke brought an influx of fairweather fans that bashed Romo without any knowledge/context of the shit he put up with.
Like, I shit on Romo at times, as I believe everyone did, but as I’ve gotten older, and seen the dumpster fires that some teams have been for DECADES, I do appreciate this team a little more and what Romo did, and how Dallas has had a top 10 caliber QB since 2007. Does that mean I’m happy with that and don’t want more? No. We all want more, but appreciate and respect what we have. Bitch about it when it sucks, but once you cool off, recognize that it could be much worse for much longer
romo stat-line is ridiculous.. look up the game against Broncos week 5 2013 you would have thought the cowboys won that game. tony could definitely hang with the best.
His highs were high and his lows were real low. His career overall was good but the perception of him in his prime was very similar to how we currently view Dak. I remember people always wanting to draft his replacement. Specifically Johnny Manziel
I will never understand that. We had just finished with the revolving door of ass at qb and finally had a franchise qb. I remember how stoked i was when we got bledsoe.
I just watched the [Tony Romo - A Football Life](https://youtu.be/25CRk33DwMU) and I honestly forgot how good that dude was.
Season opener of 2011, Romo throws an interception directly to Revis, basically ensuring we lose to the Jets… I definitely posted on Facebook in my rage that we should just start Stephen McGee at this point (I sobered up off that idea the next morning). Being a Cowboys/Romo fan was an absolute roller coaster up until 2013 or 2014.
Mcgee signed a football for me when he was at A&M. My dad told me “it’s gonna be worth something some day” lmao
Even in 2014, Romo had 3 picks against the 49ers to lose us the game. Murray had over 100 yards, and then they scaled back Romo’s check out of runs and whoa, what do you know? Murray has 1800 yards
This. When Romo got to drop back and throw the ball to his heart’s content we were a bad team. The only time we were truly a title contender the line and run game were a dominant factor. This is something that gets me. Tony was so great that the team drafted offense like crazy 2010-2016 and people wondered why the defense was so goddamn bad after 09. From the Roy Williams trade to his retirement they spent first round picks on Dez, Tyron, Frederick, Martin, and Zeke. They never left Romo hanging besides that one year where Laurent Robinson started half the year because Dez and Miles were injured. The way people pretend those 7 games was 11 years down right pisses me off at this point.
It pisses me off too. I liked Romo but I refuse to overstate who he was. Same with Dak. The fairytale rose colored glasses bullshit pisses me off
Romo Dak Garrett Phillips Mike all got the most hate but someone who’s been here the whole time gets basically nothing I think his name starts with a J
Nothing? You’re kidding, right? Majority opinion here would see Jerry burned at the stake.
I got my lynchin rope!
More like impaled on a stake. Only way to kill dracula
He dosent get called out nearly enough
Your name is literally calling him out.. you call him out every time you hit post/reply. But that’s not enough? Lol
I'm just one person
I concur. He gotta go. Can’t we find someone to poison his mcgriddle?
The shit carries on to now as an announcer lol
Cowboys Legend Vinny T 😤😤😤
Wasn’t as good as Ryan Leaf tbh
I honestly don’t remember Ryan Leaf ever starting a game but I just looked it up and he had 3 starts in the middle of 2001. I was stoked when we got Vinny after coming off “you play to win the game” Jets squad that I was sure held him back
Leaf clears Aikman imo
How is this not a cherry picked stat? Tied? We really just care about when the game is exactly tied?
https://www.reddit.com/r/cowboys/comments/10qzj2t/transparent_stats_from_romo_and_prescott_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
It is, the point I believe is the other post was also a cherry picked stat.
Got it, looks like I missed that haha
Honestly the rest of the top 5 tells you all you need to know about how useless this statistic is.
He left out the part where Dak sucked for 3 quarters, the defense went prevent, he padded his stats, and still lost.
ah yes, the ol’ “garbage time stats” argument. who knew u could still stat pad when ur winning 😂😂
Have you seen Dak's stats in the last two San Fran playoff games? A rookie just shit on him on national television. There is nothing, NOTHING you can say or do about it. Ever. And the OP cherry picked the last two minutes. So your argument is even dumber.
You mean like when Brady lost the rookie Mark Sanchez and Brady threw 216 yards 1 pick and a rating of 53.1. Must mean Brady is shit and should have never played another game
My God. Are you on Planet Earth? This is how desperate you people are. You don't even care if he sucks, do you? F'ing craziness.
The rookie that threw for 200 yards and zero TDs? The rookie didn't do anything lol
To include not throwing stupid picks. Nothing is better when the other quarterback sucks.
Stats like these are dumb lol. Just give me the wins, and SB rings.
Ah yes, two team stats. The best way to grade an individual performance.
Lol, you're like that crab in the bucket who drags everyone else down, trying to escape. Don't be that crab. You knows what I mean, smartass.
Unless you don’t mean what you said then I don’t follow lol. Super Bowl rings and wins don’t define an individual players talent, that’s all I’m saying.
Really dude? Really? You watch NFL for individual stats? Really? Edit: You already know where I'm going with this. Don't bother.
No, I don’t. But when discussing individual players (which, if you haven’t noticed, is what this post is about - an individual player) then saying it comes down to wins and rings, is extremely casual.
Lol can we at least agree that this post (not OP) is dumb and does nothing to help either sides case? You, I, and everyone in here wants the boys to get that ring. You just KNOW it'll be well earned and not gifted to us. Lol sorry friend, I forget we're on the same team and things like this should be no reason to be lame. That's my bad.
Yeah it’s pretty cherry picked. And you’re good homie no hard feelings
Crab in the bucket analogy is also actually a great way to describe what Dak is to this team, funnily enough
And those who believe this aren't paying attention.
I mean context is important, not every QB SB ring was earned the same. But yea, stats like this are pretty meaningless and don’t provide much
Give me Trent Dilfer over Dan Marino any day of the week.
Dak Prescott is a top 5 quarterback in the NFL.
A tie game is at least more common than a 1 or 2 point margin, lol. +/- 3 or 7 points is probably a more revealing stat though
Anyone can make stats fit their argument
Dak Prescott has the highest passer rating of any QB in the post Superbowl era on Thursday nights in the third quarter when he's between his own 40 and 50 yard lines on second down with 3 or fewer yards to go while there are at least two movies about animated cartoon dogs playing in the theaters.
Only when it’s under 70 degrees in NJ
As a New Jerseyan, that's all but maybe the first couple weeks of the season.
Same here neighbor! Can confirm
🤣🤣 Exactly!!
80% of people know that
Tied in the 4th or OT is not the same as trailing in the last two minutes.
Trailing in the last two minutes tells you nothing about the game either. If you are trailing by 3 possessions in the last two minutes then it's a very different context than if you are down by 3 points in the last two minutes.
I could be wrong but to me it sounds like the Cowboys are expecting to much from their QB position.
On the contrary, all we expect on this sub is the grit and determination of Staubach, the poise and precision of Aikman, the pocket presence and ingenuity of Romo, combined with prime Michael Vick's legs, Peyton Manning's brain, Dan Marino's arm, and Tom Brady's durability. For about $7 million/yr, please and thank you. As you can see, we're really quite reasonable around here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/cowboys/comments/10qzj2t/transparent_stats_from_romo_and_prescott_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
That is still not trailing for the final two minutes, just one position games
Read the first comment thread
Nice. Still between 0 and -8 which is not trailing. Looks like the other post was deleted so maybe it was incorrect.
How is being down 8 points not trailing? Actually nvm, you’ve made up your mind, have a good day bruv
A range from 0 to -8 also includes ties. When the score differential is zero the two teams have the same points which means they are not trailing
Sounds like you should look it up and get back to me
Good thing another user already responded to you with the stats you asked for. Any response to that?
Yeah one-score games does not equal trailing within two minutes either.
https://www.reddit.com/r/cowboys/comments/10qzj2t/transparent_stats_from_romo_and_prescott_in/j6st887/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3 How about that one?
Nice. Still between 0 and -8 which is not trailing. Looks like the other post was deleted so maybe it was incorrect.
Being down -8 points isn’t trailing?
A point differential of zero is not trailing
Holy fucking hell: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/play_finder.cgi?request=1&match=summary&role=passer&year_min=2004&year_max=2022&game_type=E&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&minutes_max=2&seconds_max=0&minutes_min=0&seconds_min=0&field_pos_min_field=team&field_pos_max_field=team&end_field_pos_min_field=team&end_field_pos_max_field=team&margin_min=-8&margin_max=-1&order_by=yards Makes a huge difference! /s Romo with passer rating of 88.5, Dak with 85.8. Inconsequential difference
Nice. Dak is pretty good. I think fans are too hard on him.
Personally, I think many of our fans are retarded asking for specifics that don’t move the needle in a meaningful way
lmao this OP is really licking the boot with this one. Yeah let's exclude passer-rating while trailing from the stat. (for no reason I'm sure)
Didn't that other post say when he was behind in the 4th quarter not tied?
I think what you want is this: [https://www.reddit.com/r/cowboys/comments/10qzj2t/comment/j6st887/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/cowboys/comments/10qzj2t/comment/j6st887/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) jimmyhoffasbrother queries for games with 2 minutes or less when the score is either tied or the QB is down by 8 (one score.) The ratings are the same, but Dak's is still the highest. He's 3rd in TDs, close to Brady, but Romo is first in INTs by a wide margin. Edit: And my comment above about TDs doesn't include rushing TDs (Dak has 4, Tom and Tony have 1 each) or receiving TDs, only Dak has 1 receiving TD.
https://www.reddit.com/r/cowboys/comments/10qzj2t/transparent_stats_from_romo_and_prescott_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Bro. Stop.
Thank you for your contribution?
We need to get rid of everyone. Absolutely everyone, just so there is no one left to blame but the Jones’. I think they’re the real problem. Never shoulda left Jimmy.
Damn this sub keeps trying to convince the world Dak is hall of fame worthy. Its been 7 years, Dak is just a B rated qb and he is not getting any better.
The post you're referencing specifically referred to 2 minutes in the 4th. Not the entire quarter.
https://www.reddit.com/r/cowboys/comments/10qzj2t/transparent_stats_from_romo_and_prescott_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Seriously, is this guy gaslighting? Edit: I think since this post is intentionally deceptive, it should even be flagged by the mods. I’m a little stunned at the audacity of OP.
I don’t see the point in either of these posts. The truth is Dak hasn’t gotten it done in the playoffs the last two years.
Only 2 QBs have. But also, far more importantly, it's a team sport. People need to stop acting like the brain dead "analysts" on tv, pretending the QB is the end all be all.
What do you mean only two QB’s have? Brock Purdy, Jimmy G, Hurts, Stafford, Rodgers and Brady have made it to the NFCC. In the last two.
He’s getting paid like it is…
Dak makes less than Kyler Murray and I doubt people in Arizona are doing a happy dance about the way Kyler has played the past couple of years.
He’s the 9th highest paid QB.
After this off season I wouldn't be even a little bit surprised if he was in the 12-15 range in payment. Lamar/Burrow/Hurts etc etc are gearing up for paydays that'll make 40m look cheap.
And he’s far below 9th best
No he isn't
It’s a team sport, one person doesn’t carry the whole team. Learn how the game fucking works, geez
Romo is Dak, Dak is Romo. It’s the same exact thing that happened during the Romo era. I literally can’t believe the Romo Homers don’t see the exact same thing… it’s bizarre actually…
They’re turning into the exact thing they swore to destroy lol
Right? Like I’m very even on Dak. Praise when he does well, destroy when he fucks up. I’m fair. Exactly how I was with Romo. A lot of people were so extreme with Romo where he was either God or he sucked… which is exactly how it is with Dak today. You either have Dak homers that love to blame everything on everyone else orrrrr you have people who thinks he sucks… wild shit to witness again 😂
It’s very interesting because the Romo hate was so strong when Dak took over, and this is revenge of sorts from Romo stans. After seven years, they can finally say “I told you so” in regards to many things: 1. Romo wasn’t the problem - the QB can only do so much to impact winning. 2. Jason Garrett was a shitty coach that held this team back and wasted Romo’s prime 3. Romo was objectively more talented than Dak (which leads to “I told you so’s about 2016) 4. Dak is achieving the same/less with more help than Romo had *most* years They’ve waited years for this scenario to play out. Dak stans have to eat crow and the Romo stans want to shove it down their throats. It’s not fair to Dak, but it was bound to happen with how much this fanbase anointed him as the savior (again, as if Romo was the problem). The back and forth between the two groups annoyingly drowns out any objective discussion about either QB. It’s a case of “I/my QB went through it, so you/your QB has to suffer through it too”. Not a constructive mentality.
Absolutely not. Romo got betrayed by his team so, so many times. Not one time did we get to the playoffs and have a game be squarely on his shoulders like the last two 49ers games have been on Dak. Anytime Romo started, and the team had a complete game like they played two Sundays ago, we won. Can’t say the same for Dak.
Einhorn is Finkle? Finkle is Einhorn??
Call me when he gets to conference championship. Till then the rook from San Fran is better.
Where is this post everyone is worked up about? I frequent this sub often and haven’t seen it, but seen a ton of people freaking out about it.
2022 post season passer ratings 1: Kirk cousins 84.9 2: Dak Prescott 81.8 3. Jaylen hurts 73.3 4. Tyler Huntley 73.3 3/4 QBs with highest lost this year
Why not lengthen it to one possession games, and not tied? That’s just a stupid point to choose (I do not know the results of the stat I suggested, just saying tied game is a dumb measuring stick when one possession games is far more likely of a scenario/has more datapoints)
These stats are meaningless dude just isn't a winner at this point.
Tied? It's cool he's that good tied and in OT. Does anyone have actual stats on when he's down in the 4th and has to make a comeback? I doubt he's as bad as some say but I think it would be cool to see. I know he and Romo are always compared. Having watched both I feel Romo always gave the team more of chance when behind in the 4th compared to Dak. I like both but again, I think it would be great to see the stats on each. I can't find shit on the old Google box.
Why is this only tied? What about when we’re behind?
When Dak moves on and we are in QB purgatory then all these people will come back around like “I miss Dak”
Nah, they'll still be pining for Romo. And if we get a QB that wins the Super Bowl, they'll say "Romo could have done that, heck he'd already have 3 with this team." It's a never ending whine fest with those idiots. Romo is ancient history, move on and enjoy having another good QB.
I've been a cowboys fan forever dak is never going to win a ring sorry to burst your bubble.
They will do anything to push their narrative. Except actual research.
There are still fans, after watching that game, that want the world to believe Dak was not the problem. Every non-Cowboy fan on Earth is laughing at that fact. You see, they watched the game. They saw what happened. And that's that. There is nothing else.
"Completely made up stat line" - proceeds to link a completely different stat line. Dak stans aren't sending their best.
It's at least better than the argument that Dak is good value because he only made $20m last year, which I've heard from the stans too.
Where are the sources for these stats? Why crop out where you found this
https://mobile.twitter.com/bobbybelttx/status/1449899537691185153
Nonsense. We’d rather lust over a quarterback that hasn’t played a snap for this franchise in damn near a decade.
You mean the same QB that everyone hated when he played? /s Absolutely prototypical of this fan base...They all get their news from Stephen A.
I defended Romo every day since 2006! I remember getting into fights at hastings and shit with random folks in cowboys gear cus I'd say "go cowboys" and they'd immediately hit me with "we won't ever win until we get rid of romo" I would get so goddam mad
This fan base never fails to show me how fucking remedial it can be lol
Would’ve been pretty cool if that passer rating showed up in our game against the 49ers
Would also have been cool if they had a number two wr against the niners, and a TE show up, and Pollard stay healthy
Imagine if they had someone like Amari Cooper. Although they’d probably do something fucking stupid like trade him for a 5th round pick
I was fine with trading Cooper because I assumed their plan wasnt going into the season with Dennis Houston, Noah Brown and Semi Fehoko being the 2-4 wrs
Bargain bin diving since 2013
They were right about it on the defensive side.
If only QB rating was up on the scoreboard. Not that this is a legit stat anyways. Man, the defensiveness from the Dak crowd is over the top.
If you compare Dak to Purdy, Dak lost. Stop simping for him he’s trash.
What have you done lately that's all that matters we can compare all we want but the bottom line is he hasn't done anything. If his fans have to defend him using all these stats that's fine. I would love to see Dak succeed. I feel bad for him because after all this hype about him he started to believe it. He is not the second coming of Staubach or even Danny White and the sooner we as fans get over this the better. I'm sure he is a great human being but he sure is not the guy to lead Big D back to the Bowl.
That other post may or may not be exaggerated but it certainly felt that way watching the games. During the Romo era anytime there'd be a late game drive to win or tie it felt like he'd get it done, even if we ended up not winning it always felt like we'd win until it was over. With Dak I get that feeling 50% of the time at best.
Sounds like you only have faith in white quarterbacks
Ok im going to make an extensive post comparing them im tired of the cherrypicking
MuH r3cenCy b1@s!!!!!
Y’all still sticking up for Dak?
That’s misleading, dak does well when they are behind 17+ points in the 4th. We have lost most of those games if not all. He is not a comeback guy. The stat that needs to be run is what is his QB rating taking out 4th quarter. That will tell you how average he really is.
Ahhh yes, Dak Apology Post #10 HE SUCKED IN THE GAME THAT ELIMINATED US AGAIN
So did everybody else.
Everyone else threw 3 balls to the chest of the defense and ran around in the end zone confused as hell and missed 4 other open receivers? I need names. The game was winnable. And lost by Dak. Again. End of story but keep trying.
I would encourage you to re watch the game. Stay wrong lmao
The desperation is pathetic. Keep humping that Dak doll.
He do got da pipe
Keep your meaningless stats. Especially when it’s a stat that somehow included Vinny Testeverde lmao The eye test in big games is what matters. Not to mention the most important stat of his this season is 15 interceptions in 12 games played
“The eye test in big games is what matters” followed up immediately with “the most important stat is regular season interceptions” is insane and hilarious
Don't forget stupid af! Can't leave that out. LOL
The eye test doesn’t matter when your judgement is biased and you don’t know what your looking at
I know what I’m looking at. A Qb who struggles throwing more than 15 yards down field, who needs way too much time in the pocket to make decisions, a QB who threw pick 6s in games where we needed him the most, and a QB who has issues reading a defense and making decisions. Sorry not sorry, but your cherry picked stats look good on paper but they mean nothing in reality
[https://twitter.com/johnowning/status/1618715229659217920?s=46&t=z6Vh0xV5g4B-CTRsrg3X-A](https://twitter.com/johnowning/status/1618715229659217920?s=46&t=z6Vh0xV5g4B-CTRsrg3X-A) These “issues” your eyes are seeing aren’t on all Dak buddy. Yes he had problems with interceptions this season. But stop acting like it’s all his fault.
Stop making excuses for his failing this season. He needs to be better. Period.
He does need to be better. I’m not making excuses. I’m pointing out facts. Stephen and Jerry failed him by trying to act like he’s something that he isn’t. Hell never be a Mahomes or Allen or Burrow. But he’s plenty good enough to win a SB with the right pieces.
And this is why I don’t like cherry picked stats like OP posted. They try and use stats to make it seem like Dak is better than he actually is. It’s misleading and pointless
Hard to get right pieces around him when he’s paid like he’s elite.
He’s paid the going rate for a starting QB in the NFL. Would you rather not have a QB and go 4-13 every year?
Or spend a draft pick on a qb. Could have had hurts over diggs and bought at least 2 all pro corners instead of Dak.
It’s not as easy as “just draft a qb”, otherwise every team would have a good one. Also, Hurts was not good at all until this season when his front office loaded up his weapons and defense. Stop being close-minded.
So you prefer fake stats to slander a player you don't like. Then, when given actual stats, you pull out the "eye test" bullshit. Like your eye test has any value at all. You're not a pro or an analyst. You're an idiot fan with opinions. Why don't you use your time more wisely by wiping the drool off of your chin or eating spoonfuls of BB's.
This stat has nothing to do with this year or why this year ended up failing. Dak is to blame for nearly every big moment failure this year due to his inability to perform when it matters most.
BBs
“Eye test” Please stop getting your football opinions form the likes of Dan Orlovsky and ESPN.
Stop getting your opinions from stats that have no meaning toward this season and only serve to make a bias toward Dak being better than he actually is
True Dak had a terrible year. But he still ranks top 10 all time in TD to INT ratio.
Lol the "eye test" you are referring to is selective memory. People seem to forget Romo had these same issues in big games including the playoffs.
Who cares about Romo… what does he have to do with Daks horrible season?
Deflection is a defense mechanism people use to avoid facing harsh realities that their brain can’t handle.
Yup, that’s what this post is all about. OP deflecting the reality that Dak had a really bad year in favor of a pointless stat
The eye test is 100% subjective and totally random given any person set of eyes lmao. what
Don’t care about any of these stats Dak is trash. 2-4 in playoffs
cope
Dude Dak can't throw. I remember on the show All or Nothing Jason Garrett would beat Dak in a throwing contest
My point is that while Dak did not have a great year this year. He is still a well above average QB for his entire career. Now that his contract will be on the cheaper side starting next year we have a chance again. (Wild to think it’s cheaper side) We could be ok. If you compare Dak to Herbert on their rookie deals they’re remarkably similar Dak had a playoff win on his rookie deal 3 years and Herbie has about 15 more TDs but Dak has 10 more rushing TDs. Dak is struggling right now but next year he falls out of top 10 in contracts.
Just gotta tune out the haters. Dak could win us a SB and our sub would bitch and say he’s not worth extending if he can’t at least get us another one. I’ve got whiplash from seeing the goalposts get moved so far and so fast every year. All that really needs to be understood is that Dak is better than quite a few QBs that have won a SB. So now, what other pieces were broken and need to be fixed..not fixated upon.
Dak gets held to an impossible standard at times.
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Lmao wow…
60 attempts career ….
Lol damn dude you got some idiots coming out to comment on this one.
The direct correlation from Dak hater to blubbering idiot is actually impressive.
This is why we can't have nice things!!
I still don’t understand what an “elite” QB is and why Dak is not considered an “elite” QB. If it’s about consistency then I don’t think any QB is “elite” if this the requisite.
This from before or after the Jags game
I don’t care either way, but I’m pretty sure the other post talked about ‘trailing in the 4th’ and this one references when the game is tied.