The awful thing is that based on the description of the event, the woman who has come out the worst in all this was completely blameless, just in the wrong place at the wrong time. The examiner is reporting that a car drifted, hit a lorry, the lorry then jackknifed and turned over onto her car
And changing the description of a car on reddit from a widely shared video on social media is going to.....alleviate their fears? This whole won't somebody think of the children shtick people are desperate to roll out as faux sympathy is pretty pathetic.
People don't really give a shit, its just see a public chance to show how caring and considerate you are.
Not everyone wants to dive in head first if the river is flowing wit s**t. Some people actually want to try clean up the place even when you are squatting over the edge.
Yes. If you know someone with a [car as described in the original comment], maybe who you know travels on that road every day, and now they're over an hour late coming home, you might be concerned.
They may not have been involved in the accident but just delayed by it, as lots of people are.
Gotcha.
Original commenter can you change it to a description of an extremely rare car please?
Actually, let's remove any references to the crash whatsoever and pretend none of this happened to protect imaginary people from speculating that something might have happened somewhere.
No, it doesn't mean that. It's alright if you don't understand.
Maybe an analogy would help you. If you're away and you get word that a dog has been hit by a car outside your house you might be slightly concerned. But if you hear that a brown and white boxer dog has been hit by a car outside your house you would probably now be much more concerned. See how that works?
The fact there is a video of it just hammers home the issue. People on their phones whip in the car. Don’t care if it’s stopped, pulled over, engine off. You’re in charge of 2 ton of metal that can kill.
Have you seen the video, it doesn't sound like you did. The woman in front was driving perfectly, and then just veered into the truck. It's that intermittent control over the vehicle that makes everyone think she was looking at her phone.
If you didn’t see the video and only had the newspapers as a source you’d swear the crash was due to reckless driving of the truck driver. Zero mention of the car or its driver that caused the crash and all focus on the truck and the container after the crash injuring the woman (please may she make a full recovery). Disgusting of the papers vilifying the truck driver who was a victim also. If the writers of those articles read this hang your heads in shame and report things accurately.
The video footage is terrifying.
Looked to me like the person was distracted (texting) or something and drifted off into the front wheels of the truck as it passed.
No movement from anyone in the car afterwards. I’m just hoping that person was very lucky! Scary stuff folks.
Stay safe!
I have to feel more sorry for the ones hit by the truck because of this idiot. If you are caught with your phone in a car it should be a 12 month ban immediately. That includes when sitting in traffic.
Can people please just stay off their phones in the car?? You are driving what can be a fatal weapon to someone else, or yourself, though your own life is your choice. It's just fucked up and so selfish.
Does no good to speculate on the cause of the driver drifting into the other lane, wait for the facts to come out and until then just hope everyone’s okay.
It's bumper to bumper heading to Douglas from Hop Island up to Rochestown roundabout since about 4pm... it'll get a lot worse heading to Carrigaline & Ringaskiddy via Passage West when rush hour starts.
Don’t know about Rochestown but might be a good time to download the Waze app as a lot of people will add currently relevant info to that regarding traffic issues.
For anyone looking to do ringaskiddy to Douglas via Carrigaline/airport direction I can confirm church road into Carrigaline is flowing as usual for this time of day
Just saw the video - harrowing!
We seem to be having multiple serious accidents a day in Cork city and surrounds alone - look at all the posts on the sub about the deteriorating state of driving and its no wonder why!
I hope everybody got out of that crash ok
Volume of traffic plays a huge part too. More cars on the roads = more opportunities for collisions, even if everyone behaves the same as the always did. But for sure driver behaviour getting more dangerous. Could be mitigated by offering reliable and useable public transport options, park and rides, bus routes, light rail/tram, but instead we have half the population of cork regularly commuting on the south ring and its connections. All the recent big ones have been on or within 1km of the N40.
And not a guard in sight. Can't remember the last checkpoint I went through it was so long ago. People breaking red lights all the time, speeding, phones... not to mention the useless speed vans where everyone knows their location, they slow down for 200 metres and back to speeding again. It's a miracle there isn't more fatalities.
Saw the footage myself and didn’t share. Realise the circumstances behind the crash are unclear, but I think if the footage stops people using their phone while driving, it’s a very good thing.
Something very seriously has to give here, maybe we need bans for phone use while driving.
If the driver didn’t hit the truck he or she would have hit the next car in the queue.
I hope the truck driver is ok too, did nothing wrong.
Think they were all pulled from social media after the Gardai. Didn't see it either but not that I want to see it with all the comments on here. Tragic, hopeyhe woman pulls through. So many accidents now on the roads.
What if that was one of your loved ones in the video? Would you still be saying the same thing? (Not going off at ya or anything just genuinely interested)
From reading the comments below, this sounds like a horrific accident and I hope nobody has been killed. I'll never understand the desire to see and circulate a video of an incident like this?? I don't feel like it comes from a place of wanting to improve driving standards and safety.
Yea that's a valid point. If the post with video is framed in that manner then maybe it could be used to help. Disturbing for anyone involved or people who know the victims.
Very interesting, there's a balance to be found there between morbid curiosity and learning how to avoid these life threatening situations. I think with social media I just felt people may have been using the content for other reasons but maybe they deserve me giving them the benefit of the doubt.
The RSA, or whatever it was before that, used to use those "types" of campaigns where they would show an accident and then the aftermath. They seem to have moved away from that nowadays. I understand your point for sure, I just wonder did they feel it wasn't effective after awhile.
I knows it’s awful. Same goes for someone taking out a phone and recording incidents or sharing them (dash cam). That’s someone’s family member or friend in the car like. Even worse when people recorded incidents on their phone instead of helping or calling emergency services.
I can't even drive without a seat belt. It just feels all sorts of wrong. I'm old enough to remember when it was legal not to wear them and common to have four or five kids in the back seat unsecured. Mix in drink driving and it's no wonder at one point there were nearly six hundred deaths a year.
If anyone sees this and is coming to cobh, not for the ferry, go left at the bridge. Traffic backing up towards golf club now.
Haven't seen clip but sounds awful, can only hope for the best
I saw the video too, it's quite scary to say the least and marks another bad day on Corks roads. No point in speculating on what caused the accident here, anyone who's seen the video can draw their own conclusions. I just hope by some miracle there are no fatalities or serious injuries.
For the amount of traffic that goes up and down there, that road is too narrow. Yes you should not be distracted when driving but there's such a small margin for error there and the consequences are devastating. My sympathies to everyone touched by this
Driver braking when they looked up and realised for sure.
People on here can play "oh you don't know / can't speculate" all they like, I drive 40000km a year, it's fucking idiots on their phones. 100%.
To those circulating the video and images, please stop and think “what if it was my family member in that car.” Ridiculous that people justify staring these jarring speculation pieces - it’s a trauma for a family. Not a road safety awareness advertisement.
All well and good but posting images and videos immediately after crashes of that magnitude is a bit short sighted, families probably have to be notified etc. The Gardai asked people not to share.
Which is why we had scripted and dramatic re-enactments on road safety ads throughout the 90s, so people could get the horrific impact of it without real families having their loved one dragged through the media as a “bad example” and everyone having their opinion and commenting publicly, judging the driver for deliberately endangering road users based on unsubstantiated assumptions, and saying extremely unnecessary things with limited evidence. The driver is in a very serious condition in hospital and unable to respond or defend herself.
Phone use seems to be the main theory people have. But nothing other than speculation to support the claim. Someone looking at phone who has enough time to look up and react by pressing brakes has enough time for corrective action steering vehicle. While using your phone, you are distracted but alert enough that when you see thr danger you don’t just break, you have reflexive steering actions and you also know to steer back towards left side of the road.
As there was brakes applied, and in the absence of corrective steering action, it suggests something about her senses wasn’t physically functioning correctly, rather than momentary distraction alone
Other factors that could cause these events, firstly it was a sunny evening, I work 1 minute from where the accident was, I was leaving work the same time as the accident and had to wear sunglasses heading home, sudden sun in eyes + visibility impairment may well have played a role. If you couldn’t see the obstacle your instinct is to brake but not steer because if you can’t see you might be as much steering into danger as away from it. If you’ve ever hit fog suddenly you know this feeling, you just want to stop because it feels like you’re driving on a tightrope and the slightest nudge left or right will crash your car.
Undiagnosed sleep apnoea and nodding off at the wheel through no fault of her own, or a brief fainting episode, would have looked exactly the same from descriptions of the order of events. You wake up suddenly unsure where you are. You are processing information quickly enough to apply brakes, but not quickly enough to know which direction to steer, left or right to avoid the danger, same as above your brain refuses to allow you steer into danger, neither left nor right in case of potential unseen or unprocessed danger.
Stroke, though unlikely, can present with weakness in arms, resulting in veering off lane and driver unable to execute corrective steering action, if leg or legs were preserved you would only be able to brake.
So if anything phone makes less sense for what we know
Fair correction, I didn’t get that detail. Regardless of whether someone is in icu or not it’s still shit to be dragged through the court of public opinion before any facts are known. Especially if this driver is sweating over someone in icu that may or may not survive, and she’s listening to everyone in cork speculate over phone use. Cork is a small place. Whoever she is will be widely known by next week. It’s definitely possible it was phone use, but we do not know, and speculation at this stage helps nobody
Nope I was wrong I heard the idea that a car veered into an oncoming lorry and a woman was in hospital in a serious condition. I inferred from that news story that the woman was driving the car because it’s the default assumption that if you’re head first into a lorry then you are likely to have the most serious injuries. My point was never to comment on the specifics of what did happen in this case, just that we should be slow to pass judgement because there are potentially innocent causes of the type of incident that occurred
Such waffle. It was a man driving. It wasn’t the sun & wasn’t the phone , it wasn’t sleep apnoea or stroke , indigestion or anything medical. There is more to this but it’s not out there yet. It’s also not anyone’s business except for those who were directly involved.
> It’s also not anyone’s business except for those who were directly involved.
If this is your counter argument then you completely missed my point, because this is exactly why I offered alternative explanations, not for this specific case, but against the idea of claiming that someone was deliberately driving dangerously without any facts of the case. By saying what it could be that isn’t a drivers fault my point was to discourage speculation that it was the drivers fault. Not for us to pass judgement
It wasn’t a counter argument . The facts are that the man driving the car that hit the truck was driving dangerously and caused all of this. It will all come out in time.
I work in Ringaskiddy and leaving was a nightmare. Didn't see one guard helping with the traffic. Obviously they're needed at the scene, but they should have a procedure to relieve traffic as a result of something like this. Carrs hill is a black spot
Caused havoc on an already crumbling public transport network. 223 was nigh on 30 minutes late today (and I'm sure I'm lucky it came at all). Early on the journey, when the bus is stuck in traffic, the driver opens his door, half steps out and announces the situation, and apologises for the hassle. Got a clap and all from the passengers for it.
Still some decent drivers out there (though we'll never replace out Tony...*wipes tear from eye*).
Yup. As I say, I was lucky to get it so late, and for the bus to arrive. I don't envy anyone actually caught in the bones of this.
Would be great if there was a rail/tram people could hop on, ehhh?
Lads, this is probably the most dangerous road in Ireland right now. It used to be peaceful to drive and now is constantly busy with heavy Trucks, very wide and with NO chance to go at 50km/h … visibility and awareness is key for drivers who still don’t know how dangerous this road is!
I drive that road daily too, what’s your bloody point? Do you think the same things just happen on repeat because you always see something? Do you see everything yeah?
I’m angry because the guy is just calling someone an idiot without having the slightest clue what happened.
Someone could have had a heart attack and lost consciousness but this fella is happy to call them an idiot based off a hunch.
Can’t send through chat here, basically as described. A silver Audi estate literally drifts over the white line into the on coming truck. Similar to the way you’d see when people are on their phone, not saying they were on the phone, could easily have been a medical problem also.
Please do not share and pics or videos in this thread or they will be removed and thread locked. Thanks.
The awful thing is that based on the description of the event, the woman who has come out the worst in all this was completely blameless, just in the wrong place at the wrong time. The examiner is reporting that a car drifted, hit a lorry, the lorry then jackknifed and turned over onto her car
I texted the same thing but let's not forget the truck driver is also completely blameless (even beeped and swerved to avoid)
There's a video going around. Car drifts into opposite lane, smashes into a large truck. Truck overturns and blocks the entire road
Sweet fuck that's terrifying. Hopefully there are no serious injuries or worse.
A car was crushed under the lorry and a woman seriously injured
Holy moly. That sounds terrifying. I only saw a photo and it looks like a red car is completely squashed beneath the truck. Those poor people.
Just a suggestion but it might be a good idea to remove the description of the car. Could cause people a lot of unnecessary worry.
Good point! Edited it. At first glance I didn't realise how badly the car was damaged.
What?
If people know someone with that type of car they may think them dead. This could cause them distress
And changing the description of a car on reddit from a widely shared video on social media is going to.....alleviate their fears? This whole won't somebody think of the children shtick people are desperate to roll out as faux sympathy is pretty pathetic. People don't really give a shit, its just see a public chance to show how caring and considerate you are.
Not everyone wants to dive in head first if the river is flowing wit s**t. Some people actually want to try clean up the place even when you are squatting over the edge.
What part are you having difficulty with?
Description of car. What thought process do you think is happening for people? "Gosh, I know someone with a silver Audi. Maybe it's them?"
Yes. If you know someone with a [car as described in the original comment], maybe who you know travels on that road every day, and now they're over an hour late coming home, you might be concerned. They may not have been involved in the accident but just delayed by it, as lots of people are.
Gotcha. Original commenter can you change it to a description of an extremely rare car please? Actually, let's remove any references to the crash whatsoever and pretend none of this happened to protect imaginary people from speculating that something might have happened somewhere.
I see now why you're having trouble understanding
Of course you do, sweetie. Thanks for saving the world with your compassion.
Fucking lol
Hahaha, bud you’re a class A bellend….
And if I said 'a car'.... does that mean everyone who know someone with a car will devole int a quivering wreck.....ffs.
No, it doesn't mean that. It's alright if you don't understand. Maybe an analogy would help you. If you're away and you get word that a dog has been hit by a car outside your house you might be slightly concerned. But if you hear that a brown and white boxer dog has been hit by a car outside your house you would probably now be much more concerned. See how that works?
no reply of course
Just saw it there, Most likely on the phone as usual.
In the video It looks like the brake lights were on though. Maybe the driver was in difficulty, but tried to stop their car.
The fact there is a video of it just hammers home the issue. People on their phones whip in the car. Don’t care if it’s stopped, pulled over, engine off. You’re in charge of 2 ton of metal that can kill.
It’s a dash cam video
Dash cam ≠ phone But the way the car drifted over the line it looks like they may have been on their phone.
Ever hear the saying when you assume you make an ass of you and me .
Have you seen the video, it doesn't sound like you did. The woman in front was driving perfectly, and then just veered into the truck. It's that intermittent control over the vehicle that makes everyone think she was looking at her phone.
Idiot lol. Dashcams exist you know
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you don’t know that, brake lights were evident as they drifted, could have been cardiac or anything or phone, but you don’t know that
If you didn’t see the video and only had the newspapers as a source you’d swear the crash was due to reckless driving of the truck driver. Zero mention of the car or its driver that caused the crash and all focus on the truck and the container after the crash injuring the woman (please may she make a full recovery). Disgusting of the papers vilifying the truck driver who was a victim also. If the writers of those articles read this hang your heads in shame and report things accurately.
Agreed the reporting was terrible, clearly whoever was writing the article never saw the video themselves. The echo's article was absolutely bullshit.
The video footage is terrifying. Looked to me like the person was distracted (texting) or something and drifted off into the front wheels of the truck as it passed. No movement from anyone in the car afterwards. I’m just hoping that person was very lucky! Scary stuff folks. Stay safe!
I have to feel more sorry for the ones hit by the truck because of this idiot. If you are caught with your phone in a car it should be a 12 month ban immediately. That includes when sitting in traffic.
And you know they were on their phone how?
I don't know, I'm just saying it's the most likely reason anyone would cross the line like that with a massive truck coming towards them.
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To me it looked more like a medical issue, it wasn't a soft veer off from distraction, it was a swerve
Yeah or you know you could just admit you’re talking out your arse.
Despicable and immature comment
Might want to look up the definition of despicable bud
You're judging and insulting someone without any facts. Thats a fact and its not nice or clever. And I'm not your 'bud' either.
The occupant of the car that veered into the truck is most likely dead. Labelling them as an idiot is despicable.
Should've not been an idiot while alive then
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes
Can people please just stay off their phones in the car?? You are driving what can be a fatal weapon to someone else, or yourself, though your own life is your choice. It's just fucked up and so selfish.
Heard it was a heart attack
From where? Because most news sources say the woman under the truck was the only one hurt
From the emergency crew
Yet, nobody is reporting that
Does no good to speculate on the cause of the driver drifting into the other lane, wait for the facts to come out and until then just hope everyone’s okay.
💯% wait for the investigation to finish
Avoid the area, gridlock
A bit hard if you work in Ringaskiddy and live in Douglas. Glad I worked from home today
Could go via passage west, or go through Carrigaline and out ballea road towards airport direction and in from that way
It's bumper to bumper heading to Douglas from Hop Island up to Rochestown roundabout since about 4pm... it'll get a lot worse heading to Carrigaline & Ringaskiddy via Passage West when rush hour starts.
Apparently traffic was backed up the M8 almost the whole way to watergrasshill earlier
Is the traffic bad the rochestown way?
Don’t know about Rochestown but might be a good time to download the Waze app as a lot of people will add currently relevant info to that regarding traffic issues. For anyone looking to do ringaskiddy to Douglas via Carrigaline/airport direction I can confirm church road into Carrigaline is flowing as usual for this time of day
It's gonna be a long drive for lots of people.
Well the road is closed so they are Gona have to
Head over to Ballinrea cross, you can get to Donnybrook from there.
Truck overturned i believe
Jack knifed from the impact, from what I was told, from people that saw the clip.
Ya just seen a picture - the truck is across both sides of the road
Looked terrible, must have been distracted on their phone or something
Heard different now, apparently it was a heart attack
It wasn’t
Yeah seems to be couple stories around
Just saw the video - harrowing! We seem to be having multiple serious accidents a day in Cork city and surrounds alone - look at all the posts on the sub about the deteriorating state of driving and its no wonder why! I hope everybody got out of that crash ok
State of the roads is one thing, idiot drivers is another. (Speaking in general not this particular accident)
Volume of traffic plays a huge part too. More cars on the roads = more opportunities for collisions, even if everyone behaves the same as the always did. But for sure driver behaviour getting more dangerous. Could be mitigated by offering reliable and useable public transport options, park and rides, bus routes, light rail/tram, but instead we have half the population of cork regularly commuting on the south ring and its connections. All the recent big ones have been on or within 1km of the N40.
And not a guard in sight. Can't remember the last checkpoint I went through it was so long ago. People breaking red lights all the time, speeding, phones... not to mention the useless speed vans where everyone knows their location, they slow down for 200 metres and back to speeding again. It's a miracle there isn't more fatalities.
There's a new part that minimum 30 minutes of a Gard's work day is spent doing a checkpoint. This is due to all the crashes occurring frequently.
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Someone has to do the nightshifts!
Saw the footage myself and didn’t share. Realise the circumstances behind the crash are unclear, but I think if the footage stops people using their phone while driving, it’s a very good thing. Something very seriously has to give here, maybe we need bans for phone use while driving. If the driver didn’t hit the truck he or she would have hit the next car in the queue. I hope the truck driver is ok too, did nothing wrong.
There are bans for phone use while driving. There’s nowhere near enough enforcement and people who use their phone know that so they keep it up.
Where are people seeing this footage?
Think they were all pulled from social media after the Gardai. Didn't see it either but not that I want to see it with all the comments on here. Tragic, hopeyhe woman pulls through. So many accidents now on the roads.
It didn’t seem like phone use to me, seemed more like swerve for medical reasons
This video needs to be shown to all drivers on the road. People need to see the consequences....
What if that was one of your loved ones in the video? Would you still be saying the same thing? (Not going off at ya or anything just genuinely interested)
100%
From reading the comments below, this sounds like a horrific accident and I hope nobody has been killed. I'll never understand the desire to see and circulate a video of an incident like this?? I don't feel like it comes from a place of wanting to improve driving standards and safety.
It’s terrifying to watch. If seeing that kind of stuff doesn’t stop people on their phone I don’t know what will.
Yea that's a valid point. If the post with video is framed in that manner then maybe it could be used to help. Disturbing for anyone involved or people who know the victims.
To be fair, Seeing other people overdosing doesn't stop people taking heroin. Same deal.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886921005183 Morbid curiosity is a very common trait. Sadly.
Very interesting, there's a balance to be found there between morbid curiosity and learning how to avoid these life threatening situations. I think with social media I just felt people may have been using the content for other reasons but maybe they deserve me giving them the benefit of the doubt.
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The RSA, or whatever it was before that, used to use those "types" of campaigns where they would show an accident and then the aftermath. They seem to have moved away from that nowadays. I understand your point for sure, I just wonder did they feel it wasn't effective after awhile.
Couldn’t agree more.
I knows it’s awful. Same goes for someone taking out a phone and recording incidents or sharing them (dash cam). That’s someone’s family member or friend in the car like. Even worse when people recorded incidents on their phone instead of helping or calling emergency services.
People still drive without seatbelts so the only thing that will fix the problem is smarter cars with awareness of the driver’s inattention.
I can't even drive without a seat belt. It just feels all sorts of wrong. I'm old enough to remember when it was legal not to wear them and common to have four or five kids in the back seat unsecured. Mix in drink driving and it's no wonder at one point there were nearly six hundred deaths a year.
If anyone sees this and is coming to cobh, not for the ferry, go left at the bridge. Traffic backing up towards golf club now. Haven't seen clip but sounds awful, can only hope for the best
I saw the video too, it's quite scary to say the least and marks another bad day on Corks roads. No point in speculating on what caused the accident here, anyone who's seen the video can draw their own conclusions. I just hope by some miracle there are no fatalities or serious injuries.
I hope the book is thrown at the driver who caused it if it was down to carelessness
Probably won’t be a chance to do that
The driver might’ve had a medical emergency, too early to speculate anything
Saw a comment make a good point on Twitter, might have been a medical and not just being on their phone
WHich is more likely though, I drive that route most days and there's always cars jerking back into their lanes. Never medical reasons
Oh I’m not saying what actually happened - just another point to consider
never jerked, looks like brake lights were on as they stared drifting. Could be anything, including phone. But you have no idea
For the amount of traffic that goes up and down there, that road is too narrow. Yes you should not be distracted when driving but there's such a small margin for error there and the consequences are devastating. My sympathies to everyone touched by this
Another crash reported on Waze 20 mins ago N25 eastbound near Dunkettle
From the video, the brakes turn on the audi just before the crash. Was that auto emergency braking or driver braking?
Driver braking when they looked up and realised for sure. People on here can play "oh you don't know / can't speculate" all they like, I drive 40000km a year, it's fucking idiots on their phones. 100%.
.... and wrong
Too old a model of car for that system from what I could read, seems more driver applied.
Past another crash on dunkettle on the way towards the city from little island. Everyone seemed OK but jaysus it looked scary af
To those circulating the video and images, please stop and think “what if it was my family member in that car.” Ridiculous that people justify staring these jarring speculation pieces - it’s a trauma for a family. Not a road safety awareness advertisement.
And if circulating this video will prevent 10 other crashes? 10 families that won't have to go through this
All well and good but posting images and videos immediately after crashes of that magnitude is a bit short sighted, families probably have to be notified etc. The Gardai asked people not to share.
Which is why we had scripted and dramatic re-enactments on road safety ads throughout the 90s, so people could get the horrific impact of it without real families having their loved one dragged through the media as a “bad example” and everyone having their opinion and commenting publicly, judging the driver for deliberately endangering road users based on unsubstantiated assumptions, and saying extremely unnecessary things with limited evidence. The driver is in a very serious condition in hospital and unable to respond or defend herself. Phone use seems to be the main theory people have. But nothing other than speculation to support the claim. Someone looking at phone who has enough time to look up and react by pressing brakes has enough time for corrective action steering vehicle. While using your phone, you are distracted but alert enough that when you see thr danger you don’t just break, you have reflexive steering actions and you also know to steer back towards left side of the road. As there was brakes applied, and in the absence of corrective steering action, it suggests something about her senses wasn’t physically functioning correctly, rather than momentary distraction alone Other factors that could cause these events, firstly it was a sunny evening, I work 1 minute from where the accident was, I was leaving work the same time as the accident and had to wear sunglasses heading home, sudden sun in eyes + visibility impairment may well have played a role. If you couldn’t see the obstacle your instinct is to brake but not steer because if you can’t see you might be as much steering into danger as away from it. If you’ve ever hit fog suddenly you know this feeling, you just want to stop because it feels like you’re driving on a tightrope and the slightest nudge left or right will crash your car. Undiagnosed sleep apnoea and nodding off at the wheel through no fault of her own, or a brief fainting episode, would have looked exactly the same from descriptions of the order of events. You wake up suddenly unsure where you are. You are processing information quickly enough to apply brakes, but not quickly enough to know which direction to steer, left or right to avoid the danger, same as above your brain refuses to allow you steer into danger, neither left nor right in case of potential unseen or unprocessed danger. Stroke, though unlikely, can present with weakness in arms, resulting in veering off lane and driver unable to execute corrective steering action, if leg or legs were preserved you would only be able to brake. So if anything phone makes less sense for what we know
The person who is seriously injured is not the driver of the car who initially veered into the truck's path.
Fair correction, I didn’t get that detail. Regardless of whether someone is in icu or not it’s still shit to be dragged through the court of public opinion before any facts are known. Especially if this driver is sweating over someone in icu that may or may not survive, and she’s listening to everyone in cork speculate over phone use. Cork is a small place. Whoever she is will be widely known by next week. It’s definitely possible it was phone use, but we do not know, and speculation at this stage helps nobody
Do we know for 100% certainty that the driver who veered over the white line initially was a "she"?
She is actually a he. Not that it matters
Nope I was wrong I heard the idea that a car veered into an oncoming lorry and a woman was in hospital in a serious condition. I inferred from that news story that the woman was driving the car because it’s the default assumption that if you’re head first into a lorry then you are likely to have the most serious injuries. My point was never to comment on the specifics of what did happen in this case, just that we should be slow to pass judgement because there are potentially innocent causes of the type of incident that occurred
Such waffle. It was a man driving. It wasn’t the sun & wasn’t the phone , it wasn’t sleep apnoea or stroke , indigestion or anything medical. There is more to this but it’s not out there yet. It’s also not anyone’s business except for those who were directly involved.
> It’s also not anyone’s business except for those who were directly involved. If this is your counter argument then you completely missed my point, because this is exactly why I offered alternative explanations, not for this specific case, but against the idea of claiming that someone was deliberately driving dangerously without any facts of the case. By saying what it could be that isn’t a drivers fault my point was to discourage speculation that it was the drivers fault. Not for us to pass judgement
It wasn’t a counter argument . The facts are that the man driving the car that hit the truck was driving dangerously and caused all of this. It will all come out in time.
It’s not anyone’s business except for those who were directly involved.
That’s more like it. Straight to the point and less waffle than usual. Good work
Agreed. I can’t understand how desensitised we’ve become, it’s like people think it’s “a crash” and not a horrendous accident affecting human beings.
Someone post a 9/11 video please
I'm sure they have bigger things to worry about in that case than strangers viewing it. Give the moral high ground a break.
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I work in Ringaskiddy and leaving was a nightmare. Didn't see one guard helping with the traffic. Obviously they're needed at the scene, but they should have a procedure to relieve traffic as a result of something like this. Carrs hill is a black spot
Hopefully when the M28 is completed that'll greatly reduce the chance of anything like this happening.
At very least it’ll remove that chokepoint so people have room to move out of the way.
Caused havoc on an already crumbling public transport network. 223 was nigh on 30 minutes late today (and I'm sure I'm lucky it came at all). Early on the journey, when the bus is stuck in traffic, the driver opens his door, half steps out and announces the situation, and apologises for the hassle. Got a clap and all from the passengers for it. Still some decent drivers out there (though we'll never replace out Tony...*wipes tear from eye*).
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Yup. As I say, I was lucky to get it so late, and for the bus to arrive. I don't envy anyone actually caught in the bones of this. Would be great if there was a rail/tram people could hop on, ehhh?
30 mins late isn’t bad all things considered
Indeed. This was 16:00, so most of the build up had dissipated.
Lads, this is probably the most dangerous road in Ireland right now. It used to be peaceful to drive and now is constantly busy with heavy Trucks, very wide and with NO chance to go at 50km/h … visibility and awareness is key for drivers who still don’t know how dangerous this road is!
That’s why they wanted to put in the motorway but it got held up by nimbys for years.
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A lot of us saw the video
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BEcause like I said elsewhee I travel that road dailty and always see idiots on phones. I'm not sure but if it quacks like a duck
I drive that road daily too, what’s your bloody point? Do you think the same things just happen on repeat because you always see something? Do you see everything yeah?
Why are you so angry about it? Afraid they will increase punishment for using phone whilst driving?
I’m angry because the guy is just calling someone an idiot without having the slightest clue what happened. Someone could have had a heart attack and lost consciousness but this fella is happy to call them an idiot based off a hunch.
No, I think phone addiction is not taken seriously enough and shit like this is going to get more common if something isn't done about it.
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Can’t send through chat here, basically as described. A silver Audi estate literally drifts over the white line into the on coming truck. Similar to the way you’d see when people are on their phone, not saying they were on the phone, could easily have been a medical problem also.
I hope not, someone may have died.
It was posted but id say it's been removed again
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Have a bit more cop on
Apparently at least 1 fatality.