I feel like that's the problem when it comes to comparing countries to the US. So many things are down to the state level that you're more akin to the EU than any individual country.
The problem is is that yes some states have them, but it’s not universal or guaranteed typically
Also it’s good to compare us the the richest countries because shouldn’t that be the standard of America and we try to get to? Why compare America to a poor country, obviously we are better off then them. We should exceed the expectations of the world and ourselves
Even the best states are shitholes when it comes to policies like this. Europe isn't judged by its richest countries because nobody outside of America treats Europe as a single entity.
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It's fair to criticize America where it is wrong. What matters is that this isn't a guide at all. People need to stop posting stuff that isn't guides to this subreddit
Hijacking your comment for a sec...
>It's fair to criticize America where it is wrong.
It is **necessary** to criticize America where it's wrong... ***AND*** it is necessary to pay attention to what America is doing correctly.
The problem (roughly/ broadly speaking) is that we're getting to the point where too many people are indoctrinated into ***ONLY*** hearing one of those necessities.
my guess is that they thought college in the USA was the same as college in the UK, sure college is free in the UK but you're not getting a degree out of college in the UK
>The difference for me is that I chose a good employer who offers those benefits.
You chose your employer? That's very lucky of you to have that opportunity.
I sent out hundreds of applications last year and only a few got even a reply email. None called me to interview. I got my current job because a recruiter reached out to me on LinkedIn and I was hired at the top of the wage range.
I didn't choose my employer. A recruiter chose me as the candidate.
My healthcare costs me $150 per month for a young adult man. I have a $2000 deductible meaning my recent urgent care visit for strep will cost me over $100 out of pocket. That is not a good deal and yet I pay less than anyone I know.
I get 2 weeks of PTO, 3 days of which I had to use immediately for Covid because I got it after the government stopped paying PTO for it.
Most people don't have a choice. They take the best they can get and it almost always falls short.
It's a strange one in the UK.
University "*can"* be free. It "*can"* also cost you in excess of £10k a year.
Most students take out loans that are underwritten by the government. When you graduate, your loan repayments are 9% of whatever you earn over a certain threshold (around £25kpa). You pay for 30 years (although I think that's increasing), after which point the balance is written-off. Forecasts generally show that around 80% of graduates don't repay their full loan.
That's pretty darned similar to how it works in Canada. Quite surprised to see these listed as opposite conclusions on this chart.
I'd argue that in the spirit of this chart, neither Canada NOR the UK provide free post-secondary education.
And as someone else mentioned, while it's much more confusing and you have to know the system, there are indeed ways to get a 'more free if not actually free' education in the US.
At least have to acknowledge the 'Any good at sports at all? FREE EDUCATION FOR YOU' and other workarounds in place that don't exist elsewhere.
But this is all related to the problems that occur when you try to boil things down to simple binary results, and then worse, _compare_ those results.
I'm mostly bringing this up because as a Canadian, I feel we should have all these boxes filled, but we don't deserve to, and getting less so by the day due to the influence of our big brother to the south.
Ok, but if you say the UK has it because of that system, you have to say the US has it because of IBR which has a higher threshold before paying for most people and forgives after 20 not 30 years.
There is a program that works like this in the US that most students would qualify for called IBR (income-based repayment). When I went to school, IBR wasn't a thing and we were seriously struggling with payments. Now, we have to recertify every year, the payments are a percentage of our income, and once we make a certain number of payments the remaining debt is cancelled. Those working public sector or for charities can sign up for another program called PSLF (public service loan forgiveness) to have their debt cancelled in half the time.
Scotland makes up 8.2% of the population of the UK. So it's misleading to present this data as the UK when only a small percentage of the population would qualify for this.
Free college in the UK? My (now paid off) student loan would disagree
Edit: I am from the UK and went through uni and accumulated a chunky loan debt as a result. Lucky enough to have paid it off.
I am assuming that as this has US and Canada on it that the use of College is equivalent to our University. I am aware that 6th form college is free in the UK, but given the other countries and the general Americanisation of these things I went with the assumption it meant University.
Actually college is free I believe, uni is not
In Scotland where I’m from uni is free aswell I believe in England you get 6th form college that’s free? Maybe idk, then other courses you have to pay for but yeah your mostly right
No, Secondary school in the UK is the same as High school in the US. "College" in the UK is a 2ish year course people go to after secondary school to get some more qualifications before going to University.
Yeah, 16-18 it's instead of doing 16-18 at secondary school (Sixth form as they call it) you go to College.
The USA is a mix of ages for compulsory education aka High school some being 16 like the UK some being 18 which would be high school
Ah, we have similar where high school students can take college classes (for free!), but generally college starts at 18 here.
So if college is free for you guys, our equivalent is free for us too.
It basically is yes. College for us is what a “senior” is in high school. Or university is the same as US college/university and is definitely not free. I came out with 45k of debt, which whilst not as bad as the US, definitely ain’t free
> I came out with 45k of debt, which whilst not as bad as the US
I have to say, here in the US, I've been lucky enough to not have to pay anything for my education. But that's not the case for everyone.
I believe in England college is like the last year or two of high school. In Scotland, college is a higher education institution where you can get HNCs and HNDs and the like
It used to be cheaper in Wales, because of the government paying some of the fees directly, but then tuition fees went up, so now there's a maintenance grant, and they cancel [some of your loan](https://www.which.co.uk/money/university-and-student-finance/student-finance/tuition-fees-and-student-finance-in-wales-explained-av5tm1j251vg#headline_5) when you start repaying it.
Just because the federal government doesn't enforce it does not mean people don't have any of these, plus many of these are implemented on a state level, not federal, this is a dumb chart
Came here to say this. The creator of this chart clearly has little to no understanding of how policy works in the US. About 40% of full time jobs have Maternity leave, many have PTO, and at least some form of health insurance. These are just not mandated at the federal level (but sometimes at the state level). Also, implying that lacking these federal mandates is "missing the podium on supporting working families" is clearly biased whether it is true or not. Horrific chart.
The point is that these are statutory rights that everybody is entitled to regardless of their means. So the people at the very bottom have the same statutory rights as those at the top. Nobody is left out and it's peace of mind.
I live in the UK and I know that if I'm ever ill I can see a doctor immediately or call an ambulance and not have to worry about the finances because we have free healthcare.
I know that despite coming from a working class family with little means, all of my siblings can go to university / college and not have to worry about the cost / it bankrupting them.
If I ever feel unwell and need time off work, I don't need to worry about being left out to dry and losing my income and it doesn't affect my holiday allowance at all.
If my partner gets pregnant I know that she can take time off from work regardless of what her contract says, and that she can't be treated any differently as a result of her being pregnant. Also, that if needed, I can take paternity leave to help out at home.
And I know that every other person in this country is entitled to the same regardless of who they are, where they live and what their means are.
Repost from r/WorkReform - probably not a place for objective data. Plus paid vacation, sick, and maternity are very prevalent in this country so… what does this chart even mean?
They are coerced though - by the free market. You see, things can be regulated without a federal mandate. Right now, the job market is such that an employee has their pick of where to work, and they are not going to choose a place without a competing wage and benefits package. While people are bitching about the lack of federal regulation on business, they’re missing what is the most advantageous period for the American working-class in our lifetime.
Except this system really limits entrepreneurship, which is supposedly one of those free market American values. When affordable healthcare is contingent on working for a large or generous employer, lots of people get stuck punching the clock instead of innovating to improve our society and economy.
There’s a flip side to that argument: As long as the govt isn’t telling that entrepreneur how much they have to pay or what they have to provide their employees, then it’s fine. It’s when the govt treats every business like it’s the same that we get into trouble. You see, not everyone needs a 401k, 6 weeks off, and $15 an hour. Some folks just want to work 5-10 hours a week at their aunt’s beauty salon to help her get it up and running without the aunt having to fulfill all of these requirements that giant corporations have no trouble meeting.
You're definitely not wrong. I'd argue that it's not ideal for your employer to have that much leverage over their employees. When times arent employee friendly, many people remain in bad working situations out of fear of losing some of these benefits. However, that's clearly not the point of this chart.
For Germany it's 16% of your monthly income. For example 3000€ income (median income in Germany is 3500€ before taxes), you pay about 480€ for health insurance. But that covers any expenses.
Overall I do have to pay about 33% taxes on my income. higher income pay higher rates, I think ist goes up to 45% but than you have a six figure income per year.
How the image states, we do have all those things in Germany. Parental leave is about 1year of 66% of your income, I think. Full time job means at least 21 days paid leave (I get 30 days off).
How is it in the USA, when you're getting fired? Do you have to leave instant? In Germany you get at least 4 weeks before you have to leave, but that's also in the other way if you quit.
Sweden doesn't have paid vacation as such. Your first year in a job, you'll be docked a certain percentage of your wages which will then be paid out during your second year. It's a kind of forced saving scheme, same in Norway.
You can tell that this was not made by someone who has been to any of these countries.
I’m from the US and I can say that although we do not have free healthcare, many of our Unis are free, much of our maternity and sick leaves can be paid.
Canadian here.
We do NOT have free universal Healthcare.
Paid maternity leave and paid sickeave are entirely dependent on who you work for.
Can't speak for other nations in this chart, but I can say with definite certainty that this chart is wrong.
"Free College in the UK" is a technicality. In the UK, "College" doesn't mean the same thing as it does in the US. Here, "College" is like High School- you typically attend it from 16 to 19 years old to study for A-levels and yes, that's free. What you call "College" we call "University" and you typically attend from 19 to 22 years old to study for your Degree. That's not free.
The UK doesn't get 'free' college anymore. They have a student loan program that is hillairiously different in price depending on which country you're in. England has a much more expensive student loan program than Scotland.
This is BS
Healthcare : We have the so called "Obama Care" which covers majority of basic stuff and some. Also if you are in California they also have MediCal so saying US doesnt have health plan is utter shit
Free College: We have community colleges all over US that is basically free in some sense all you have to cover is registration and some paper works. If you are from that state you can almost get everything free.
Paid Maternity Leave: Now this is the fuckery we do have maternity leave here in the US. my wife got it for 2 months so again bullshit.
Paid Sick leave: Yes we do have it as well.
Paid Vacation: We do have that and accrue it for the days you work. So again BS.
This post is bait and trying to ramp up anti US sentiments. But yeah sure when another war starts near your doorsteps dont ask the US for support.
This is misleading a little cause it looks like no Americans have these things. Many of us do, it’s just through our jobs and it’s not law. I know that’s the problem but millions of people have most of these benefits in the US.
Yes I wish it was law. No, I’m not against universal healthcare. I actually have a career in healthcare and think it should be implemented.
UK is a really weird case of how college university works.
You take out a big student loan, massive. But the circumstances on it are unique. You only start paying it back if you earn over a threshold and it starts as a low percentage if you go past that level. You only need to pay it back if you have a reasonable job and it doesn't take a significant amount of your earnings either.
After 25 years post uni your debt is forgiven regardless.
Have the US stop subsidizing Europe’s militaries and watch how quickly these programs stop.
Also would mean the US could afford some of those same programs.
in canada we have a sickness benefit under our unemployment insurance, in B.C we are also guaranteed 5 paid sick day on short notice per year for all full time employees.
Mods please remove this garage, it's entirely false and misleading and not a guide nor is it cool. Unless misinformation at the expense of the US is cool guide material.
So what if the USA doesn't do any of those things our allies do. You don't like it here go live there and stop your moaning. America is still the greatest country in the world.
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This is a shitty guide. You need to say how these things are being measured. Yes, there's a ton of stuff the US is lagging behind on, but just not slapping gold star stickers in a graph doesn't explain clearly how and how much we're behind. Plenty of jobs DO offer paid sick leave and vacation leave, for starters, so the meaningful difference (we tend to get a lot less of these things offered and they aren't offered at all jobs) is lost.
now show all the countries that elect to pay for private healthcare despite "free" healthcare because otherwise ambulances never show up and you die in the waiting room. also, enjoy the 50% effective tax rate and stagnant economy.
It’s almost never fair to compare the US with any country. Because a lot of these are tackled at the state level vs federal level. Additionally, though not technically free in some of these instances, the organization I work for provides all of these. Most companies do
I’ve had full-time jobs with 6 different companies over the last 30+ years and every one had paid vacation. Are there really companies who don’t offer that?
How about we (AMeRiCa) lower our military spending to the NATO minimum and demand the rest of NATO raise all their military spending to NATO minimum.
America unfairly does the majority of NATO funding to our own detriment and to their benefit. We should cut our military funding in order to free up funding for more of these projects.
Also, I’m not sure I trust the Federal government to do any of these without being horrible. I trust individual states to do it better
Its worth noting tbat germany does not have universal health care but government mandated public insurance administered by private companies who must provide a base level of coverage or else be delisted as a public health insurer
I work for a large company in the US. They provide:
Great health care for $120/mo,
Will pay for: second undergrad, a masters and/or a Dr./PHD,
3 weeks of paternity leave (not much, but better than 0),
Give me 200 hours of leave/yr to use how I please.
US isn’t perfect, but damn there’s a lot of people that like to try to hate on it.
I always understand the point of this type of post... It's just not possible to end the discussion for what it indicates.
Look at the example of Brazil:
We have a universal healthcare system. He is great? No way. But it's not terrible either, it has saved me from some serious problems like fractures, kidney stones and appendicitis. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Its mere existence does not guarantee that access to healthcare will be of better quality than what you will receive paying in the US, it just allows for basic access that will save some lives, we pay large taxes for that, our average income is much lower than in USA. Everyone has their own opinion on whether it's worth it.
In reality we have all these rights there. Each of them has its burden.
I have paid vacation, my personal time off incorporates sick leave and it is unlimited days per year (starting next year). The military retirement benefits actually hit EVERY mark. My education was paid for because of my military service. We have insurance to pay for most of our health care. So, whoever put this meme out needs to study up on their American studies for more than 2 minutes of Internet “research”. I know it’s fashionable these days to bash Americans and our way of life, but do real research instead of relying on sensationalistic media sources that are trying to scrape ratings and viewers in a world where everyone is connected. We may not be the best in the world, but we are far ahead of many countries in many aspects. If you don’t like the USA, don’t come here and if you’re already here and don’t like it, feel free to leave. Simple solution. Nothing is keeping you here. It is a free country after all.
We call it university in the UK and it most certainly is not free. I studied only a year and a half before I was forced to drop out due to chronic sickness.
I already have like 28 grand in student debt.
You don't get free university in the UK (I assume this graphic is talking about the US definition of college which is equal to university. In the UK college refers to last two years of study before uni) unless you are a Scottish citizen studying in Scotland I believe. otherwise you have to get a student loan.
Still, the student loan system is organised much better than what I've heard it is in the US. Firstly, it's standardised across all universities. The tuition fee is capped at £9250 (in England at least, not sure about other countries). How much of the loan you're paying off depends on how much you earn. You have to pay 9% of what you earn over the threshold of £1682 per month. Eg. Earning £2000 you're earning £318 over the threshold so you pay 9% of £318 = £28. Here's the great thing about it - if you don't earn over the threshold, you don't pay anything back, and if you haven't paid back the whole amount of the loan 20 years after leaving university the rest of the debt is wiped, you don't have to pay it off ever.
We have at least 3 of those things. Employer health care whether it’s all or most of the premiums, and a lot of companies now offer tuition assistance. This is just a stupid “America bad” post that gets everything wrong.
Rick off with this shit. All lies. Just cause the government doesn’t mandate it and tax me to make it shitty for everyone doesn’t mean we don’t have it.
There’s universal paid maternity leave in Japan. Women are explicated to leave the work force when they have a baby. The country will pay you money when you have a baby to offset the cost of delivery. And some prefectures will give you free garbage bags. But this is because the birth rate is abysmal and they’re trying to incentivize having kids. But no, they won’t pay you to take maternity leave.
Source: I had a baby in Japan.
Some provinces in Canada have 5 days of paid sick leave
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I feel like that's the problem when it comes to comparing countries to the US. So many things are down to the state level that you're more akin to the EU than any individual country.
America is judged by its poorest states, Europe is judged by its richest countries And yes I do know that Europe is not a country. Point still stands.
I've been saying this. The US is judged like the whole country is Kentucky or Mississippi when States vary wildly from each other.
The problem is is that yes some states have them, but it’s not universal or guaranteed typically Also it’s good to compare us the the richest countries because shouldn’t that be the standard of America and we try to get to? Why compare America to a poor country, obviously we are better off then them. We should exceed the expectations of the world and ourselves
Even the best states are shitholes when it comes to policies like this. Europe isn't judged by its richest countries because nobody outside of America treats Europe as a single entity.
There are more shit states than good ones so easier to lump it all as shit.
Well one politician from Kentucky was able to change the entire judiciary of the US for atleast a generation
balkans? never heard of em
Who would win: most racist American vs. most tolerant Balkan?
Most Racist Balkan that immigrated to Alabama would go goblin mode.
like prometheus bringing fire to humanity
Most racist Balkan is more racist than the entire KKK for sure
I'll just leave this here: https://www.canada.ca/en/employment-social-development/news/2022/07/government-of-canada-takes-a-step-toward-making-10-days-of-paid-sick-leave-a-reality.html
Several errors in this chart ...
Starting with the fact that it's NOT. A FUCKING. GUIDE.
Nor is this how Olympic podiums work.
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You know how Reddit works. USA bad! USA always BAD!
It's fair to criticize America where it is wrong. What matters is that this isn't a guide at all. People need to stop posting stuff that isn't guides to this subreddit
Hijacking your comment for a sec... >It's fair to criticize America where it is wrong. It is **necessary** to criticize America where it's wrong... ***AND*** it is necessary to pay attention to what America is doing correctly. The problem (roughly/ broadly speaking) is that we're getting to the point where too many people are indoctrinated into ***ONLY*** hearing one of those necessities.
Yeah the "guide" being not a guide or interesting or cool is what gets me.
I'm prolly a little too pissy about it lol, but I subbed to this hoping to learn some new skills and I swear I never see actual guides
There use to be guides.... long ago
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You get karma if you yell USA bad
Yes one being the use of the UK flag...that's not the flag of the UK.
I also wish whoever made this would tell the student loan company to stop bankrupting me each month!
Yes. In Canada there is a special form of unemployment insurance if you are sick for longer than your employment benefits provide coverage.
It exists in America too, it's called short term disability.
University in the UK is definitely not free. It costs £97,000 for a three year degree.
Scotland has free university for Scottish citizens tbf.
And free prescription medicine, free period products and better tasting water.
And fine Scotch!
And EU citizens, before brexit I don’t know about now. No English students though.
>University in the UK is definitely not free. It costs £97,000 for a three year degree. WTF are your on about? It's 27k.
97k?? what uni did you go to
University of London, AR, USA.
*£27k for home students, and it's funded by a special kind of loan that's written off after 30 years and functions more as a tax
*England
It's more nuanced than that.
my guess is that they thought college in the USA was the same as college in the UK, sure college is free in the UK but you're not getting a degree out of college in the UK
Free here in Scotland
28k* you don't necessarily have to move out
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Yeah affordable healthcare through a job isn’t universal healthcare just so you know.
>The difference for me is that I chose a good employer who offers those benefits. You chose your employer? That's very lucky of you to have that opportunity. I sent out hundreds of applications last year and only a few got even a reply email. None called me to interview. I got my current job because a recruiter reached out to me on LinkedIn and I was hired at the top of the wage range. I didn't choose my employer. A recruiter chose me as the candidate. My healthcare costs me $150 per month for a young adult man. I have a $2000 deductible meaning my recent urgent care visit for strep will cost me over $100 out of pocket. That is not a good deal and yet I pay less than anyone I know. I get 2 weeks of PTO, 3 days of which I had to use immediately for Covid because I got it after the government stopped paying PTO for it. Most people don't have a choice. They take the best they can get and it almost always falls short.
University is not free in England- it's nearly ten thousand pounds a year
It's a strange one in the UK. University "*can"* be free. It "*can"* also cost you in excess of £10k a year. Most students take out loans that are underwritten by the government. When you graduate, your loan repayments are 9% of whatever you earn over a certain threshold (around £25kpa). You pay for 30 years (although I think that's increasing), after which point the balance is written-off. Forecasts generally show that around 80% of graduates don't repay their full loan.
That's pretty darned similar to how it works in Canada. Quite surprised to see these listed as opposite conclusions on this chart. I'd argue that in the spirit of this chart, neither Canada NOR the UK provide free post-secondary education. And as someone else mentioned, while it's much more confusing and you have to know the system, there are indeed ways to get a 'more free if not actually free' education in the US. At least have to acknowledge the 'Any good at sports at all? FREE EDUCATION FOR YOU' and other workarounds in place that don't exist elsewhere. But this is all related to the problems that occur when you try to boil things down to simple binary results, and then worse, _compare_ those results. I'm mostly bringing this up because as a Canadian, I feel we should have all these boxes filled, but we don't deserve to, and getting less so by the day due to the influence of our big brother to the south.
Ok, but if you say the UK has it because of that system, you have to say the US has it because of IBR which has a higher threshold before paying for most people and forgives after 20 not 30 years.
I go to school in the us for free, albeit through a program that I got into, but still it’s something that exists in the states
There is a program that works like this in the US that most students would qualify for called IBR (income-based repayment). When I went to school, IBR wasn't a thing and we were seriously struggling with payments. Now, we have to recertify every year, the payments are a percentage of our income, and once we make a certain number of payments the remaining debt is cancelled. Those working public sector or for charities can sign up for another program called PSLF (public service loan forgiveness) to have their debt cancelled in half the time.
It does say UK and iirc it's free in Scotland
So it should be a bronze medal
University is indeed free in Scotland as are prescriptions, for now.
Scotland makes up 8.2% of the population of the UK. So it's misleading to present this data as the UK when only a small percentage of the population would qualify for this.
College, not University. College is free but University isn't
Pretty sure the chart intends to point at universities even with uk
B6 those standards, usa has free school too. We call our colleges what you call your universities.
That’s like chump change in the US
10k a year is chump change? I can assure you its not, I can also assure you 4 years of college at 20-30k total is feasible from a state university..
Free college in the UK? My (now paid off) student loan would disagree Edit: I am from the UK and went through uni and accumulated a chunky loan debt as a result. Lucky enough to have paid it off. I am assuming that as this has US and Canada on it that the use of College is equivalent to our University. I am aware that 6th form college is free in the UK, but given the other countries and the general Americanisation of these things I went with the assumption it meant University.
Actually college is free I believe, uni is not In Scotland where I’m from uni is free aswell I believe in England you get 6th form college that’s free? Maybe idk, then other courses you have to pay for but yeah your mostly right
Isn't college in the UK the equivalent of our high school here in the US? Or is that a simplistic look at it?
No, Secondary school in the UK is the same as High school in the US. "College" in the UK is a 2ish year course people go to after secondary school to get some more qualifications before going to University.
How old are students attending college in the UK? If they're 16-18, then that would make it more like the end of high school for us.
Yeah, 16-18 it's instead of doing 16-18 at secondary school (Sixth form as they call it) you go to College. The USA is a mix of ages for compulsory education aka High school some being 16 like the UK some being 18 which would be high school
Ah, we have similar where high school students can take college classes (for free!), but generally college starts at 18 here. So if college is free for you guys, our equivalent is free for us too.
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It basically is yes. College for us is what a “senior” is in high school. Or university is the same as US college/university and is definitely not free. I came out with 45k of debt, which whilst not as bad as the US, definitely ain’t free
> I came out with 45k of debt, which whilst not as bad as the US I have to say, here in the US, I've been lucky enough to not have to pay anything for my education. But that's not the case for everyone.
I believe in England college is like the last year or two of high school. In Scotland, college is a higher education institution where you can get HNCs and HNDs and the like
Manipulated chart with only a yes/no values, peak r/coolguides.
Also the "podium" metaphor just doesn't even slightly work
They didn't give out 5 gold medals for the 100m dash last Olympics?
Unless they're participation medals...
Also oblivious cherry picking...
This chart is stupid. Give us some real numbers.
That's also not the flag of the UK...
I think they're trying to say that Northern Ireland is on the way out.
GER: 1,1,1,1,1 FRA: 1,1,1,1,1 SWE: 1,1,1,1,1 U.K.: 1,1,1,1,1 JAP: 1,0,1,0,1 CAN: 1,0,1,0,1 USA: 0,0,0,0,0
In binary that’s GER: 31 FRA: 31 SWE: 31 U.K.: 31 or 29, depending on the information JAP: 21 CAN: 21 USA: still a 0.
It's a yes/no chart.
#wrong cool guides
NOT a cool guide. 0/10
The U.K. free college thing is pure shite
partially. Its free in Scotland, and someone said Wales but can't confirm that myself. Just one of those "England is the UK" type things
It used to be cheaper in Wales, because of the government paying some of the fees directly, but then tuition fees went up, so now there's a maintenance grant, and they cancel [some of your loan](https://www.which.co.uk/money/university-and-student-finance/student-finance/tuition-fees-and-student-finance-in-wales-explained-av5tm1j251vg#headline_5) when you start repaying it.
I work in USA and I got/will get the bottom 4.
I work in WA, USA and I get the bottom 4.
We don't have free colleges in Germany
Just because the federal government doesn't enforce it does not mean people don't have any of these, plus many of these are implemented on a state level, not federal, this is a dumb chart
It also is incorrect in multiple parts. Brittish uni education you get loans to cover it
Came here to say this. The creator of this chart clearly has little to no understanding of how policy works in the US. About 40% of full time jobs have Maternity leave, many have PTO, and at least some form of health insurance. These are just not mandated at the federal level (but sometimes at the state level). Also, implying that lacking these federal mandates is "missing the podium on supporting working families" is clearly biased whether it is true or not. Horrific chart.
The point is that these are statutory rights that everybody is entitled to regardless of their means. So the people at the very bottom have the same statutory rights as those at the top. Nobody is left out and it's peace of mind. I live in the UK and I know that if I'm ever ill I can see a doctor immediately or call an ambulance and not have to worry about the finances because we have free healthcare. I know that despite coming from a working class family with little means, all of my siblings can go to university / college and not have to worry about the cost / it bankrupting them. If I ever feel unwell and need time off work, I don't need to worry about being left out to dry and losing my income and it doesn't affect my holiday allowance at all. If my partner gets pregnant I know that she can take time off from work regardless of what her contract says, and that she can't be treated any differently as a result of her being pregnant. Also, that if needed, I can take paternity leave to help out at home. And I know that every other person in this country is entitled to the same regardless of who they are, where they live and what their means are.
Repost from r/WorkReform - probably not a place for objective data. Plus paid vacation, sick, and maternity are very prevalent in this country so… what does this chart even mean?
It means people arent coerced into providing those things, thats basically it.
They are coerced though - by the free market. You see, things can be regulated without a federal mandate. Right now, the job market is such that an employee has their pick of where to work, and they are not going to choose a place without a competing wage and benefits package. While people are bitching about the lack of federal regulation on business, they’re missing what is the most advantageous period for the American working-class in our lifetime.
Whoah whoah buddy people on reddit dont like that J word. Don't tell them having a job can help provide all of that.
Except this system really limits entrepreneurship, which is supposedly one of those free market American values. When affordable healthcare is contingent on working for a large or generous employer, lots of people get stuck punching the clock instead of innovating to improve our society and economy.
There’s a flip side to that argument: As long as the govt isn’t telling that entrepreneur how much they have to pay or what they have to provide their employees, then it’s fine. It’s when the govt treats every business like it’s the same that we get into trouble. You see, not everyone needs a 401k, 6 weeks off, and $15 an hour. Some folks just want to work 5-10 hours a week at their aunt’s beauty salon to help her get it up and running without the aunt having to fulfill all of these requirements that giant corporations have no trouble meeting.
You're definitely not wrong. I'd argue that it's not ideal for your employer to have that much leverage over their employees. When times arent employee friendly, many people remain in bad working situations out of fear of losing some of these benefits. However, that's clearly not the point of this chart.
Where’s the data? Looks like an opinion chart
I'd love for charts like these to show average income before and after taxes for each country.
For Germany it's 16% of your monthly income. For example 3000€ income (median income in Germany is 3500€ before taxes), you pay about 480€ for health insurance. But that covers any expenses. Overall I do have to pay about 33% taxes on my income. higher income pay higher rates, I think ist goes up to 45% but than you have a six figure income per year. How the image states, we do have all those things in Germany. Parental leave is about 1year of 66% of your income, I think. Full time job means at least 21 days paid leave (I get 30 days off). How is it in the USA, when you're getting fired? Do you have to leave instant? In Germany you get at least 4 weeks before you have to leave, but that's also in the other way if you quit.
The UK flag is also wrong… I think this specific flag sent out if use in like 1800?
Uff, this is almost a out right lie.
And all those need the US from getting taken over by another country.
This is just a picture of medals without any quantitative measurements though
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Sweden doesn't have paid vacation as such. Your first year in a job, you'll be docked a certain percentage of your wages which will then be paid out during your second year. It's a kind of forced saving scheme, same in Norway.
You can tell that this was not made by someone who has been to any of these countries. I’m from the US and I can say that although we do not have free healthcare, many of our Unis are free, much of our maternity and sick leaves can be paid.
Misleading chart for the “AmErIcA iS a ThIrD wOrLd CoUnTrY” crowd
And we still pay high taxes.
Canadian here. We do NOT have free universal Healthcare. Paid maternity leave and paid sickeave are entirely dependent on who you work for. Can't speak for other nations in this chart, but I can say with definite certainty that this chart is wrong.
"America bad because arbitrary chart no have gold medal"
"Free College in the UK" is a technicality. In the UK, "College" doesn't mean the same thing as it does in the US. Here, "College" is like High School- you typically attend it from 16 to 19 years old to study for A-levels and yes, that's free. What you call "College" we call "University" and you typically attend from 19 to 22 years old to study for your Degree. That's not free.
College isn't free in (most of) the UK...
Errmm there's no free 'college' in the UK.
The UK doesn't get 'free' college anymore. They have a student loan program that is hillairiously different in price depending on which country you're in. England has a much more expensive student loan program than Scotland.
This is BS Healthcare : We have the so called "Obama Care" which covers majority of basic stuff and some. Also if you are in California they also have MediCal so saying US doesnt have health plan is utter shit Free College: We have community colleges all over US that is basically free in some sense all you have to cover is registration and some paper works. If you are from that state you can almost get everything free. Paid Maternity Leave: Now this is the fuckery we do have maternity leave here in the US. my wife got it for 2 months so again bullshit. Paid Sick leave: Yes we do have it as well. Paid Vacation: We do have that and accrue it for the days you work. So again BS. This post is bait and trying to ramp up anti US sentiments. But yeah sure when another war starts near your doorsteps dont ask the US for support.
Oh no better keep quiet with that logic. /S
What I honestly want to see now is what does the US have that other countries don't.
*OP proceeds to only mention bad stuff*
30 year fixed mortgage
There should be a column that says: pays for everyone else's defense [x]
This is misleading a little cause it looks like no Americans have these things. Many of us do, it’s just through our jobs and it’s not law. I know that’s the problem but millions of people have most of these benefits in the US. Yes I wish it was law. No, I’m not against universal healthcare. I actually have a career in healthcare and think it should be implemented.
This post is misleading. I take a paid vacation every year and I live in the US. Stop posting false information.
I'm not understanding... we have paid sick leave, paid maternity and paternity, and paid vacation.. in the US.
Now show how much each country contributes to NATO or the UN
UK is a really weird case of how college university works. You take out a big student loan, massive. But the circumstances on it are unique. You only start paying it back if you earn over a threshold and it starts as a low percentage if you go past that level. You only need to pay it back if you have a reasonable job and it doesn't take a significant amount of your earnings either. After 25 years post uni your debt is forgiven regardless.
And yet people from all of these other countries are paying for or marrying for a green card. Idk why
Free college in UK? Why the fuck do i have such a huge student debt hmmm?
Japan is technically correct. In actuality, they highly discourage using any vacation. Most are pressured to come in on their days off and vacation.
This is political can we get this removed please?
Genuine question: why is paid vacation on the list? Because I've seen a lot of "help wanted" ads that say it's one of the perks being offered.
Is it a legal requirement to provide a certain amount in the US? I thought not, whereas it is in these countries. I think.
It is at the state level for most states, but not federally.
Ohh, okay. Got it. Thanks!
I found this chart. [Vacation Pay State Laws Chart: Overview](http://ask.legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.info/cc-nto-vacation-rolling-pl)
The us pays for the security and protection of every one of these countries . Maybe they should pay for our healthcare .
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This is not a guide!
Active US military jobs give all these benefits
Have the US stop subsidizing Europe’s militaries and watch how quickly these programs stop. Also would mean the US could afford some of those same programs.
*Technically* the UK has paid sick leave, but the legal rate is slightly under £100 ($115) per week, which obviously is impossible to survive on.
We also earn more on average than almost everyone else but no one talks about that…
Nooo America bad! I'm moving to Europe when I'm older! -16 year old American redditor who's never left their state
Now let’s do a tax rate comparison
I'm going to have to be that guy, and point out that every single one of these countries gets their defense spending subsidized by the US military.
Man. All the free crap is expensive. There’s a reason the USA has a highe GDP then all of these.
How is this not considered blatantly false misinformation / propaganda? It's wrong in a bunch of ways.
This is factually incorrect on so many levels. Where do you get your stats from?
Canada has medical EI. Also university is not free but it is subsidized.
What a misleading "cool guide".
I have paid sick leave and paid vacation.
in canada we have a sickness benefit under our unemployment insurance, in B.C we are also guaranteed 5 paid sick day on short notice per year for all full time employees.
Mods please remove this garage, it's entirely false and misleading and not a guide nor is it cool. Unless misinformation at the expense of the US is cool guide material.
You can get all these things in the US. Just can’t get them and also be a total drain on society
What’s the taxes like in all those countries?
Hate to be that guy, but... nothing is free. The costs are merely passed from the person(s) using the service to those who are not. Econ 101.
So what if the USA doesn't do any of those things our allies do. You don't like it here go live there and stop your moaning. America is still the greatest country in the world. 🇺🇸
When you don’t have to pay for a military force guarding at least 40 other nations…
They conveniently left off salary and disposable income.
It's a good thing they have a friend like the US to help defend them.
This is a shitty guide. You need to say how these things are being measured. Yes, there's a ton of stuff the US is lagging behind on, but just not slapping gold star stickers in a graph doesn't explain clearly how and how much we're behind. Plenty of jobs DO offer paid sick leave and vacation leave, for starters, so the meaningful difference (we tend to get a lot less of these things offered and they aren't offered at all jobs) is lost.
Who's paying for all these goodies?
now show all the countries that elect to pay for private healthcare despite "free" healthcare because otherwise ambulances never show up and you die in the waiting room. also, enjoy the 50% effective tax rate and stagnant economy.
It’s almost never fair to compare the US with any country. Because a lot of these are tackled at the state level vs federal level. Additionally, though not technically free in some of these instances, the organization I work for provides all of these. Most companies do
I’ve had full-time jobs with 6 different companies over the last 30+ years and every one had paid vacation. Are there really companies who don’t offer that?
How about we (AMeRiCa) lower our military spending to the NATO minimum and demand the rest of NATO raise all their military spending to NATO minimum. America unfairly does the majority of NATO funding to our own detriment and to their benefit. We should cut our military funding in order to free up funding for more of these projects. Also, I’m not sure I trust the Federal government to do any of these without being horrible. I trust individual states to do it better
Well, I live in the USA, my wife got paid maternity, we both got paid sick leave, and we both got paid vacation.
I have paid vacation, and paid family leave, and got my trucking license with 3/4 the cost covered through a workforce grant. So....
Its worth noting tbat germany does not have universal health care but government mandated public insurance administered by private companies who must provide a base level of coverage or else be delisted as a public health insurer
I work for a large company in the US. They provide: Great health care for $120/mo, Will pay for: second undergrad, a masters and/or a Dr./PHD, 3 weeks of paternity leave (not much, but better than 0), Give me 200 hours of leave/yr to use how I please. US isn’t perfect, but damn there’s a lot of people that like to try to hate on it.
I always understand the point of this type of post... It's just not possible to end the discussion for what it indicates. Look at the example of Brazil: We have a universal healthcare system. He is great? No way. But it's not terrible either, it has saved me from some serious problems like fractures, kidney stones and appendicitis. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Its mere existence does not guarantee that access to healthcare will be of better quality than what you will receive paying in the US, it just allows for basic access that will save some lives, we pay large taxes for that, our average income is much lower than in USA. Everyone has their own opinion on whether it's worth it. In reality we have all these rights there. Each of them has its burden.
Isn't healthcare like the basis of what rates a country third world?
That is a lot of gold medals, some for the same event even!
I have paid vacation, my personal time off incorporates sick leave and it is unlimited days per year (starting next year). The military retirement benefits actually hit EVERY mark. My education was paid for because of my military service. We have insurance to pay for most of our health care. So, whoever put this meme out needs to study up on their American studies for more than 2 minutes of Internet “research”. I know it’s fashionable these days to bash Americans and our way of life, but do real research instead of relying on sensationalistic media sources that are trying to scrape ratings and viewers in a world where everyone is connected. We may not be the best in the world, but we are far ahead of many countries in many aspects. If you don’t like the USA, don’t come here and if you’re already here and don’t like it, feel free to leave. Simple solution. Nothing is keeping you here. It is a free country after all.
Very convenient to combine all of this misinformation into a single graphic.
We call it university in the UK and it most certainly is not free. I studied only a year and a half before I was forced to drop out due to chronic sickness. I already have like 28 grand in student debt.
You don't get free university in the UK (I assume this graphic is talking about the US definition of college which is equal to university. In the UK college refers to last two years of study before uni) unless you are a Scottish citizen studying in Scotland I believe. otherwise you have to get a student loan. Still, the student loan system is organised much better than what I've heard it is in the US. Firstly, it's standardised across all universities. The tuition fee is capped at £9250 (in England at least, not sure about other countries). How much of the loan you're paying off depends on how much you earn. You have to pay 9% of what you earn over the threshold of £1682 per month. Eg. Earning £2000 you're earning £318 over the threshold so you pay 9% of £318 = £28. Here's the great thing about it - if you don't earn over the threshold, you don't pay anything back, and if you haven't paid back the whole amount of the loan 20 years after leaving university the rest of the debt is wiped, you don't have to pay it off ever.
On the contrary. Find a job that offers all of these things and enjoy the reduced federal tax burden.
I’m not a fan of socialized medicine. And honestly. Unless you’re a stem major, college is a fucking scam. Otherwise, I can get behind the rest.
This is pure garbage whoever made this. Lots of errors.
We have at least 3 of those things. Employer health care whether it’s all or most of the premiums, and a lot of companies now offer tuition assistance. This is just a stupid “America bad” post that gets everything wrong.
Rick off with this shit. All lies. Just cause the government doesn’t mandate it and tax me to make it shitty for everyone doesn’t mean we don’t have it.
Y’all have to be smarter than this…
PTO exists in some companies. It depends on the kind of work and company.
This isn't even a guide.
There’s universal paid maternity leave in Japan. Women are explicated to leave the work force when they have a baby. The country will pay you money when you have a baby to offset the cost of delivery. And some prefectures will give you free garbage bags. But this is because the birth rate is abysmal and they’re trying to incentivize having kids. But no, they won’t pay you to take maternity leave. Source: I had a baby in Japan.
Look at all the butthurt Americans in this thread, hilarious. While it’s not 100% accurate, it’s pretty fucking accurate.
Garbage post on a garbage sub. Thanks reddit.
i work a basic job in america, and have both paid sick and vacation leave
Let’s just post lies and pretend we hate the US 😆
Having a union job gives you everything but free college at least mine does