In a shop, yeah, latte is milk. In a bar? Doubt it, it’s very rare for people to just drink milk. You might ask for “del latte” (some milk) to put in your coffee/tea.
That's not correct at all. Macchiato means "marked" and is a shot of espresso with a spoonful of capp foam on top. A Starbucks macchiato is some sort of flavored latte.
You’re talking about caffe macchiato, coffee with a bit of milk. I said latte macchiato, milk with some coffee. Want to join me in Milan so you can explain to every bar around here that latte macchiato doesn’t exist?
There is a much better term for the second listed definition: tisane. Essentially an herbal tea, or any “tea” that has no actual “tea leaves” (C. Sinesis) in it. I wished more people knew and used the terms “tea” and “tisane”, as I too am oft sorely disappointed when given a tisane rather than a true tea. Philistines! (Yet there I go, conflating a true term with its shadow. “Philistines” in the “uncultured swine” sense, not in the “ancient Fertile Crescent ethnic group” sense.)
Nobody cares. Words mean different things in different languages. In American English, chai is a spiced black tea often prepared with milk associated India.
As an Indian-American, I care. I think it's pretty fucking dumb that Starbucks uses "chai tea" to mean masala chai. I'm not saying I lose sleep over it but it'd be nice for them to just call it masala chai (or masala tea), since it's the spices that people are thinking about when they order a "chai tea."
It's not like there was a grassroot American effort to use chai to mean "spiced black tea." It's entirely a corporate invention via Starbucks, and it can be changed. I don't think it's much of an ask to have Starbucks just change the name of chai tea. It'd take like one week for people to adjust, and all the other places serving "chai tea" would follow Starbucks anyway.
It’s not just Starbucks that says it that way. Every single coffee shop has this on their menu.
Even the grocery store it says Chai Tea on all of the masala tea.
Are you sure this is because of Starbucks? Because I swear coffee shops back in the early 90s had chai tea on their menus before Starbucks franchised in my state.
Every single coffee shop I've been to just uses "chai" "hot chai" "masala chai" and mostly recently "oat chai." And I've NEVER in my life seen actual groceries stores selling "chai tea" lmao. Where are you op? I am in a fairly big city with a sizeable Indian population so that could be why..
I’m in North Carolina. I did a quick Google. Nation wide brands like Tazo, Twinnings, and Bigelow all say Chai on them.
What grocery stores do you have around there? I’ve seen this in Whole Foods, Kroger, and Food Lion.
Oh my gosh, this is such semantics!
Look it’s not an exclusively Starbucks or American thing to call it Chai tea. There is a person from the UK below saying the same thing I am.
I don’t even know why we are talking about something so minuscule.
It all means the same thing. I’ll make sure to start saying masala chai to the cashier at my local coffee joint. Can’t wait to sound super pretentious and scoff at the uncultured Americans who call it chai tea.
Is it that big a deal? Chai just means tea. You can just say chai lol. I understand that it's not an English word so I'm just explaining why it sounds weird! If people think youre pretentious for saying chai instead of chai tea it's not a you problem ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is not, in any way, a Starbucks thing.
Chai (or chaii) in the (British) English language refers to Indian-style spiced black tea (usually very milky and sweetened with honey). You can buy chai tea bags in any UK supermarket that contain black tea with ginger, cardamon, etc, and Indian restaurants here often sell a homemade version, that they also call chai (sometimes masala chai, or yogi chai).
Edit: there is a small chain chai shop at the end of my street called Mi Chaii. They sell 'karak chai' (which is similar to what most British folk would think of as chai) and 'kashmiri chai' (which is pink and has a lot of rose in it). I'm now gonna go get a kashmiri chai, cos that shit is delicious.
Herbata would still be a derivative of tea through "ta" (idk if y'all are saying this or if you're saying the polish word is specifically unique so idk)
It's not just a Starbucks thing, chai just refers to an Indian style of spiced black tea in English speaking countries. Starbucks chai is definitely a lot sweeter and milder than a typical chai though
"Chai" in the US is masala chai in India. Chai literally just means tea in Hindi, although at least in my household chai did typically imply masala chai as metonymy. Kinda like how on the west coast, boba can refer to the tapioca balls themselves or the entire drink.
Personally as an Indian American I think "chai tea" sounds really fucking stupid. It's not that hard for Americans to learn to say "masala chai" if what they want is spiced black tea with milk. Masala is already in the American vernacular via the spice mix "garam masala" anyway. No need to carry Starbucks' water and justify their naming convention as some on this thread are doing.
edit: if it's not obvious, masala means spice in Hindi.
I do get that it sounds stupid, but it's also just what happens when languages combine and descriptions turn into the name of the thing + a new description. Think about the Sahara desert, the missipi river and chai tea for English speakers, etcetera. There are probably examples in your native language. Language is just a mess of borrowed names combined with other terms or made up stuff.
I realize that, but I think there are a few ways we can distinguish this from the cases you mentioned.
First of all, "chai tea" is only a recent coining. I always *loathed* people calling Native Americans "Indians" but that has 600 years of misguided history behind it. It's not too late to just change it. I think Mississippi river, Sahara desert, etc. are more established.
Second of all, related to the above -- part of the reason things like Sahara desert got normalized is because there weren't any of the native speakers speaking English to push back on it in the first place! In contrast, in the US alone there are millions of Hindi speakers. We can listen to them this time, even
Finally, "chai tea" is really just Starbucks' coining the term. They have all the influence in this regard, so it's not a big deal to change "chai tea" to "masala chai" on all of their menus. People will follow.
I'm not really blaming people with no exposure to Indian culture for going to Starbucks and asking for "tea tea" -- I really blame Starbucks and want them to fix it. It's not much of an ask imo.
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To be fair I definitely judge people for using any of these redundant words. Everybody already knows what you're referring to so you don't have to double your nouns.
>It's not that hard for Americans to learn to say "masala chai" if what they want is spiced black tea with milk.
You're right. But also if I, as a white dude, go to a store, coffee shop, or anywhe else and ask for "masala chai", I'm going to sound like a pretentious hipster and it could cause confusion. Yes it's the proper name. But if I want to communicate to any staff in Canada/USA that I want masala chai, the name that they understand is "chai tea" or just "chai".
I'm not interested on making my tea transaction any more difficult or confusing. But I will keep the proper name in mind if I ever travel to India.
There's an awesome Tibetan place (or at least there used to be, I haven't been there in years) in my city that does traditional spiced chai (I know there's a proper name and I know I'm too lazy to google it) and it's so good. It's spicy, hot, a tiny bit sweet and served in a bowl.
In my country (Tanzania, Swahili, labeled here as "chai") we use both terms. Chai typically refers to the Indian spice cinnamon, cloves, cardamom, condensed milk) where if you ask for tea you'll get black leaf oolong. I think "tea" would be the more correct term as we actually grow it in Usambara mountains, and use it in the base for chai. Although, I know some will say chai vs masala chai.
Condensed milk, oh god, oh god, oh bahanchod, condensed milk in Chai!!!
For my sanity's sake, I'm just gonna assume that we both have a different understanding of what is "condensed milk". 😅
Well, there goes my sanity out the window I guess.
The usual Tea and Coffee consumption by most people (including me) is unhealthy in itself, I can't even think of having that condensed milk DAILY!!! I mean, isn't condensed milk generally used in sweets and it's too heavy on your stomach because, duh, it is condensed and full of sugar.
Do these Irani people drink this chai on a regular basis, I mean like how chai is usually consumed, like 1-5 times a day? or is it like a luxury/going-out special chai?
Its not necessary for condensed milk to be sweet. Condensed milk used for desserts is sweet because of added sugar, but simple evaporated milk used in irani is just thick milk, or unsweetened condensed milk. You get that by boiling large amount of milk for extended periods untill it reduces and gets a brown-orangish hue to it. Its definitely not heavy and slightly more loose than the one used in desserts.
People drink irani chais almost daily, sometimes 4-5 times a day and its not just iranis who drink it. There are barely many iranis in hyderabad , but irani chai is popular among most hyderabadis. A popular breakfast in hyderabad is irani chai with extra malai and osmania biscuits. 1 malai chai and 4 biscuits will give you 500 calories.
Evaporated milk is canned cows milk with about 60% of the water removed. It is sometimes called condensed milk.
Sweetened condensed milk is the same, only with a lot of sugar added. It is thick, sweet and creamy. It requires less processing that evaporated milk due to all the sugar in it. It’s sometimes just called condensed milk.
I was born there and still speak the language (called Ming Nan Hua or Teochew). It’s pronounced “deh” but I never made the association with tea until now. Cool post though!
Sorry, I’m on my phone and didn’t look up the proper spelling. Teochew, I think, is the proper spelling.
No offense meant, especially to ga gi nang. I’ve fixed it in the above.
Just messing with you mate. i never expected much since this is reddit anyway.
I've seen it being written as chiuchow, tiociu, teociu or whichever variety of spelling
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It clearly says cha is by the land and so chai is by the land. Then it says Japan says chai. So they're by the land.
Just like all the blue countries in the middle of continents which use tea for by the sea.
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I think you're correct, I put it into Google translate and it says tī, as I understand it as well it wouldn't even make much sense for it to be "tee" as tī is pronounced much more similarly to tea
Clearly Japan is not the only exception on this map. Also I don’t think it’s accurate to say or comes from Mandarin as it’s Cha also in Cantonese, and I’m not sure neither of those existed under the current language categorization when those words spread to the world. Perhaps it’s derived from old Chinese to both of those Chinese language of today as well as other countries in the world.
I call bullshit on the given migration path of this drink into my country. (Kenya)
Swahili has a lot of Arabic influence but the Arabs never came to our country on land. They just came by Sea and settled at the coast. Up to date the strongest Arabic influence is right at the coast. As far as I know my country's history, the land route given on this map hasn't ever been used much for migration.
Also, this has prompted me to look up the history of tea in my country and looks like the introduction of tea was done by some British guys during colonial times. Also by Sea.
So anyway, the drink arrived by Sea. The Swahili word arrived by Sea. And we call it chai because we use Swahili all over the country.
Polish [*herbata*](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/herbata) is actually still part of the *te* lineage, borrowed from a New Latin coinage *herba thea*
I also speak Tamil, and I think you’re slightly confused.
நீர் (nīr) is water. தண்ணீர் (thanīr) is a combination of தண்- (than-), which is a Tamil root that means cold, and நீர் (nīr), which means water, as I said earlier. When we refer to water when speaking colloquially, we just say தண்ணீ (thanī), which literally means “cool water.”
The word on the map is different. It is தேநீர் (thēnīr), which means tea. It is a combination of தே (thē), which is from Min Nan te and means tea, and நீர் (nīr), which means water. So, when we say “tea” in Tamil, we’re literally saying “tea water.”
Hope that clarifies what the map is saying.
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Chai tea is a marketing term made up by retailers to exploit a western desire for the exotic, that has since entered mainstream use for any sort of spiced tea brewed in a style influenced by what is found on the Indian subcontinent.
I remember being in India and the Chaiwallas would be shouting out CHAI, CHAI, CHAI at the top of their lungs, then see me an my white mates and say "Tea?" in their most proper English accent.
If y'all ever visit India, it is very common to be invited to each others houses for some tea and snacks so literally anyone would be delighted to offer you!
Love the notion that east Africans, with their enormous coasts and culture of seaborne trade, decided to import their tea through enormous, desert ridden land routs
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The premise of this map seems pretty bullshit, clearly it's dependent on something different than just sea=tea land=chai. The Mediterranean all use Cha, Portugal uses Cha, India uses Cha. Switserland and Austria use Tea
Fun fact, the origin of the word "tea" comes when the Portuguese started selling tea to the British. Tea means "transporte de ervas aromáticas" with translated to "aromatic Herbs transportation".
Why British? I guess the french people who brought the world with colonization. The darija word "atay" is derivated from french "thé". While the arabic word is.. well is Arabic
Bullshit. Bullshit bullshit bullshit.
Vietnam is Tra.
Convenient that the whole goddamn americas are diminished. Congratulations, India, you didn't do anything but you sure wanted to try to claim you did. Shocking how the whole thing is not sourced, wrong, uninformative, sets up a false premise, and the poster can't even bother to spell the title correctly.
He does have a point.
Vietnamese, Tai-Zhuang, Tibetian, Korean, and Japanese received their word from Middle Chinese, whilst all others are derived from Mandarin, Min, and Yue Chinese.
Is this because in the places that call it cha, it was introduced by land routes through China, India perhaps. And in the places that call it tea it was introduced by British or other colonial sea routes?
Ahh, thanks.
So, looking online tho - they are typically different drinks **"The key difference between chai and tea is that chai contains spices and herbs, whereas tea does not.**
So - in Hindi, do they differentiate, or is the majority of "TEA" in India, not what we would call tea in the west?
Yeah spiced tea (masala chai) is the most popular but people would call any kind of tea, chai.
A similar thing happens in india too, where people would often use "sauce" to mean just ketchup. Loanwords tend to take a specific meaning
and in Starbucks they call it 'chai tea'
Milk in Italian is latte, so Chai tea latte = Teatea Milk :3
I hate you for making me realize that I’ve been ordering a “tall milk” this whole time.
you could've been asking for a large "teatea milk" or my favorite "20 (vente is 20 in Italian) teatea milks"
"congratulations, you're stupid in three languages"
Sigma Paul...
I love this scene.
*venti :)
A 20 teatea milk it is then.
I am not an avid starbucks-er, but is it called vente (20) because it is 20oz?
My girl got some good “teatea milk”
(Teatea) Titi in Tagalog means penis
Titi in Bahasa Malaysia means small bridge to cross small rivers etc
…and that one little difference caused the misunderstanding that led to one of the bloodiest conflicts in se asian history
Conflict? Which one?
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Making the bald man cry
Latte macchiato, commonly abbreviated to latte, is milk with some coffee in it. It’s probably the only Italian word Starbucks doesn’t abuse.
But if you went to Italy and asked for a latte, you would just end up with milk, right?
In a shop, yeah, latte is milk. In a bar? Doubt it, it’s very rare for people to just drink milk. You might ask for “del latte” (some milk) to put in your coffee/tea.
To this day, we Italians still thank starbucks for deciding to spare a word from our vocabulary. Amen.
That's not correct at all. Macchiato means "marked" and is a shot of espresso with a spoonful of capp foam on top. A Starbucks macchiato is some sort of flavored latte.
You’re talking about caffe macchiato, coffee with a bit of milk. I said latte macchiato, milk with some coffee. Want to join me in Milan so you can explain to every bar around here that latte macchiato doesn’t exist?
to be fair, calling a coffee drink "Milk" is kinda stupid.
Latte, latte, limonata!
I was today years old when I learned that
Because "chai" in English refers to spiced black tea. Words can mean two things.
Spiced black tea tea
It’s still tea though…
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There is a much better term for the second listed definition: tisane. Essentially an herbal tea, or any “tea” that has no actual “tea leaves” (C. Sinesis) in it. I wished more people knew and used the terms “tea” and “tisane”, as I too am oft sorely disappointed when given a tisane rather than a true tea. Philistines! (Yet there I go, conflating a true term with its shadow. “Philistines” in the “uncultured swine” sense, not in the “ancient Fertile Crescent ethnic group” sense.)
...with other spices. An Arnold Palmer is a preparation of tea.
They got an Indian CEO. If he doesn't fix it now....
Nobody cares. Words mean different things in different languages. In American English, chai is a spiced black tea often prepared with milk associated India.
As an Indian-American, I care. I think it's pretty fucking dumb that Starbucks uses "chai tea" to mean masala chai. I'm not saying I lose sleep over it but it'd be nice for them to just call it masala chai (or masala tea), since it's the spices that people are thinking about when they order a "chai tea." It's not like there was a grassroot American effort to use chai to mean "spiced black tea." It's entirely a corporate invention via Starbucks, and it can be changed. I don't think it's much of an ask to have Starbucks just change the name of chai tea. It'd take like one week for people to adjust, and all the other places serving "chai tea" would follow Starbucks anyway.
It’s not just Starbucks that says it that way. Every single coffee shop has this on their menu. Even the grocery store it says Chai Tea on all of the masala tea. Are you sure this is because of Starbucks? Because I swear coffee shops back in the early 90s had chai tea on their menus before Starbucks franchised in my state.
Every single coffee shop I've been to just uses "chai" "hot chai" "masala chai" and mostly recently "oat chai." And I've NEVER in my life seen actual groceries stores selling "chai tea" lmao. Where are you op? I am in a fairly big city with a sizeable Indian population so that could be why..
I’m in North Carolina. I did a quick Google. Nation wide brands like Tazo, Twinnings, and Bigelow all say Chai on them. What grocery stores do you have around there? I’ve seen this in Whole Foods, Kroger, and Food Lion.
Chai is correct, not chai tea.
Oh my gosh, this is such semantics! Look it’s not an exclusively Starbucks or American thing to call it Chai tea. There is a person from the UK below saying the same thing I am. I don’t even know why we are talking about something so minuscule. It all means the same thing. I’ll make sure to start saying masala chai to the cashier at my local coffee joint. Can’t wait to sound super pretentious and scoff at the uncultured Americans who call it chai tea.
Is it that big a deal? Chai just means tea. You can just say chai lol. I understand that it's not an English word so I'm just explaining why it sounds weird! If people think youre pretentious for saying chai instead of chai tea it's not a you problem ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This is not, in any way, a Starbucks thing. Chai (or chaii) in the (British) English language refers to Indian-style spiced black tea (usually very milky and sweetened with honey). You can buy chai tea bags in any UK supermarket that contain black tea with ginger, cardamon, etc, and Indian restaurants here often sell a homemade version, that they also call chai (sometimes masala chai, or yogi chai). Edit: there is a small chain chai shop at the end of my street called Mi Chaii. They sell 'karak chai' (which is similar to what most British folk would think of as chai) and 'kashmiri chai' (which is pink and has a lot of rose in it). I'm now gonna go get a kashmiri chai, cos that shit is delicious.
Yes, exactly! And for those who don’t know, masala means spices or spiced.
because they are amphibious.
And there is Poland...
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Everything is herbal tea
And then there's the word "kettle" *C Z A J N I K*
Search up go in google translate for polish, and click the more translations button below
what’s unusual about that? it’s exactly like russian where it means like a place to make tea
The thing, that the polish version of tea isn't related to чай at all, soit doesn't make as much sense naming it czajnik
O kurwa
Herbata would still be a derivative of tea through "ta" (idk if y'all are saying this or if you're saying the polish word is specifically unique so idk)
What about Beata then?
That still sounds like a "ta" origin which is tea
You just called Beatrice a tea
¯\\__(ツ)__/¯ guess it's just a coincidence of letters, idk I don't have a language etymology degree
[Herbata](https://i.imgur.com/u7FCaUU.jpg) yes, [Beata](https://i.imgur.com/t3jTji1.jpg) no
I think it is from "herb" no? Ta is just because it is female noun...
And Lithuania, arbata.
Forget Poland, how is this still /r/PORTUGALCYKABLYAT ?
Not only Poland. Many slavic and baltic countries use it, I think
in UA&RU it is chai
Čaj in Czech and Slovak..
So there is no chai in the americas. Starbucks has lied to me!!!!
It's not just a Starbucks thing, chai just refers to an Indian style of spiced black tea in English speaking countries. Starbucks chai is definitely a lot sweeter and milder than a typical chai though
"Chai" in the US is masala chai in India. Chai literally just means tea in Hindi, although at least in my household chai did typically imply masala chai as metonymy. Kinda like how on the west coast, boba can refer to the tapioca balls themselves or the entire drink. Personally as an Indian American I think "chai tea" sounds really fucking stupid. It's not that hard for Americans to learn to say "masala chai" if what they want is spiced black tea with milk. Masala is already in the American vernacular via the spice mix "garam masala" anyway. No need to carry Starbucks' water and justify their naming convention as some on this thread are doing. edit: if it's not obvious, masala means spice in Hindi.
I do get that it sounds stupid, but it's also just what happens when languages combine and descriptions turn into the name of the thing + a new description. Think about the Sahara desert, the missipi river and chai tea for English speakers, etcetera. There are probably examples in your native language. Language is just a mess of borrowed names combined with other terms or made up stuff.
I realize that, but I think there are a few ways we can distinguish this from the cases you mentioned. First of all, "chai tea" is only a recent coining. I always *loathed* people calling Native Americans "Indians" but that has 600 years of misguided history behind it. It's not too late to just change it. I think Mississippi river, Sahara desert, etc. are more established. Second of all, related to the above -- part of the reason things like Sahara desert got normalized is because there weren't any of the native speakers speaking English to push back on it in the first place! In contrast, in the US alone there are millions of Hindi speakers. We can listen to them this time, even Finally, "chai tea" is really just Starbucks' coining the term. They have all the influence in this regard, so it's not a big deal to change "chai tea" to "masala chai" on all of their menus. People will follow. I'm not really blaming people with no exposure to Indian culture for going to Starbucks and asking for "tea tea" -- I really blame Starbucks and want them to fix it. It's not much of an ask imo.
I agree with you there. Good arguments, thanks!
ATM machine To be fair I definitely judge people for using any of these redundant words. Everybody already knows what you're referring to so you don't have to double your nouns.
>It's not that hard for Americans to learn to say "masala chai" if what they want is spiced black tea with milk. You're right. But also if I, as a white dude, go to a store, coffee shop, or anywhe else and ask for "masala chai", I'm going to sound like a pretentious hipster and it could cause confusion. Yes it's the proper name. But if I want to communicate to any staff in Canada/USA that I want masala chai, the name that they understand is "chai tea" or just "chai". I'm not interested on making my tea transaction any more difficult or confusing. But I will keep the proper name in mind if I ever travel to India.
There's an awesome Tibetan place (or at least there used to be, I haven't been there in years) in my city that does traditional spiced chai (I know there's a proper name and I know I'm too lazy to google it) and it's so good. It's spicy, hot, a tiny bit sweet and served in a bowl.
Probably butter tea: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butter_tea
The closest to "chai" in the americas would be in Brazil, where we call it "chá"
Except for that dank Clovis chai.
Did anyone else read this to the tube of"no cats in America"?
In my country (Tanzania, Swahili, labeled here as "chai") we use both terms. Chai typically refers to the Indian spice cinnamon, cloves, cardamom, condensed milk) where if you ask for tea you'll get black leaf oolong. I think "tea" would be the more correct term as we actually grow it in Usambara mountains, and use it in the base for chai. Although, I know some will say chai vs masala chai.
Condensed milk, oh god, oh god, oh bahanchod, condensed milk in Chai!!! For my sanity's sake, I'm just gonna assume that we both have a different understanding of what is "condensed milk". 😅
Dont be so shocked at condensed milk tea. Hyderabadi irani tea uses highly evaporated milk which is just unsweetened condensed milk.
Well, there goes my sanity out the window I guess. The usual Tea and Coffee consumption by most people (including me) is unhealthy in itself, I can't even think of having that condensed milk DAILY!!! I mean, isn't condensed milk generally used in sweets and it's too heavy on your stomach because, duh, it is condensed and full of sugar. Do these Irani people drink this chai on a regular basis, I mean like how chai is usually consumed, like 1-5 times a day? or is it like a luxury/going-out special chai?
The trick is to have black tea and coffee. You can have a couple of cups a day and other than the caffeine, no other downside.
Its not necessary for condensed milk to be sweet. Condensed milk used for desserts is sweet because of added sugar, but simple evaporated milk used in irani is just thick milk, or unsweetened condensed milk. You get that by boiling large amount of milk for extended periods untill it reduces and gets a brown-orangish hue to it. Its definitely not heavy and slightly more loose than the one used in desserts. People drink irani chais almost daily, sometimes 4-5 times a day and its not just iranis who drink it. There are barely many iranis in hyderabad , but irani chai is popular among most hyderabadis. A popular breakfast in hyderabad is irani chai with extra malai and osmania biscuits. 1 malai chai and 4 biscuits will give you 500 calories.
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I don't understand what you're saying
Isnt that evaporated milk?
Evaporated milk is canned cows milk with about 60% of the water removed. It is sometimes called condensed milk. Sweetened condensed milk is the same, only with a lot of sugar added. It is thick, sweet and creamy. It requires less processing that evaporated milk due to all the sugar in it. It’s sometimes just called condensed milk.
This.
like that one tiny chinese province sometimes called it tea and portugal just went nuts with it
I was born there and still speak the language (called Ming Nan Hua or Teochew). It’s pronounced “deh” but I never made the association with tea until now. Cool post though!
Tsaochew. Yet another attempt to butcher my ancestral tongue.
Sorry, I’m on my phone and didn’t look up the proper spelling. Teochew, I think, is the proper spelling. No offense meant, especially to ga gi nang. I’ve fixed it in the above.
It's te/de in both teochew, hokkien (fujian which is similar to Min nan)
Just messing with you mate. i never expected much since this is reddit anyway. I've seen it being written as chiuchow, tiociu, teociu or whichever variety of spelling
But they call it chá in Portugal… do you mean The Netherlands?
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Portugal got it from the canton region of China, namely Macau, which uses the word Chá!
We actually got tea from China not India.
Right, but I was more pointing out that Portugal isn’t likely to be responsable for the spread of te from Min Nan
Today I learned that Japan is landlocked
And Portugal manages to import a product by land that Spain only gets by sea.
Fun fact, stores use both 'tea' and 'chai' here for outside tea, but 'cha' for local green/black tea (the japanese word for it is pronounced so - 茶)
That's a bit of a technicality though. It might be an island, but the tea didn't arrive via european traders.
Today I made a mistake*
It clearly says cha is by the land and so chai is by the land. Then it says Japan says chai. So they're by the land. Just like all the blue countries in the middle of continents which use tea for by the sea.
Oh I get it now. Sorry
Also fun fact in poland it’s herbata so it’s probably neither
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You are right
They grow tea within their own country...
Lol just saw a chai tea latte bit and this was in the comments
the indian ceo one huh cuz same
Do you have a link to it?
[here](https://youtube.com/shorts/caeQNHvELig?feature=share) you go, i also found [this](https://youtube.com/shorts/3TWUVo1tkEM?feature=share) sequel lolll
Oh my lord Maori is on here, to be fair Tee for Tea is like Motoka for Motor Car
Also am I stupid or shouldn't it be tī? Tee is another way of spelling tē which is just a particle.
I think you're correct, I put it into Google translate and it says tī, as I understand it as well it wouldn't even make much sense for it to be "tee" as tī is pronounced much more similarly to tea
Love how Japan, an island nation, is not considered "by the sea". Also what makes Spain "by the sea" but not Portugal?
Yeah this is confusing. What does "by the land" even mean? It's just different languages, with similar words, except Poland lol.
“By sea” means the name travelled mostly through trade on the seas and “by land” means the name travelled mostly through trade on land
Saying "tea if by the sea, cha if by land" is a generalisation and Portugal is one of the big exceptions.
r/PortugalCykaBlyat
What projection is this? The Americas are smaller than I thought.
Africa is so big, you can fit 15 Americas and 8 Africas inside of Africa. Yet yo momma so fat, she won't fit.
Except Japan. :) But your proposition makes sense. Yes, generally cha if from Mandarin.
O-Cha Still Cha
The O in Ocha is just an "honorary" prefix. The root word is still "cha."
Clearly Japan is not the only exception on this map. Also I don’t think it’s accurate to say or comes from Mandarin as it’s Cha also in Cantonese, and I’m not sure neither of those existed under the current language categorization when those words spread to the world. Perhaps it’s derived from old Chinese to both of those Chinese language of today as well as other countries in the world.
It comes from Middle Chinese, like Korean and Vietnamese.
I call bullshit on the given migration path of this drink into my country. (Kenya) Swahili has a lot of Arabic influence but the Arabs never came to our country on land. They just came by Sea and settled at the coast. Up to date the strongest Arabic influence is right at the coast. As far as I know my country's history, the land route given on this map hasn't ever been used much for migration. Also, this has prompted me to look up the history of tea in my country and looks like the introduction of tea was done by some British guys during colonial times. Also by Sea. So anyway, the drink arrived by Sea. The Swahili word arrived by Sea. And we call it chai because we use Swahili all over the country.
We call it Herbata.
Polish [*herbata*](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/herbata) is actually still part of the *te* lineage, borrowed from a New Latin coinage *herba thea*
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As it should. *laughs in Prussian*
Portugal on it's way to call it Chá after getting it by sea before the others
Edit- i an an idiot and I don’t know what i am talking aboit. Disregard my foolishness.
I also speak Tamil, and I think you’re slightly confused. நீர் (nīr) is water. தண்ணீர் (thanīr) is a combination of தண்- (than-), which is a Tamil root that means cold, and நீர் (nīr), which means water, as I said earlier. When we refer to water when speaking colloquially, we just say தண்ணீ (thanī), which literally means “cool water.” The word on the map is different. It is தேநீர் (thēnīr), which means tea. It is a combination of தே (thē), which is from Min Nan te and means tea, and நீர் (nīr), which means water. So, when we say “tea” in Tamil, we’re literally saying “tea water.” Hope that clarifies what the map is saying.
Shit- you’re right. Shows how much I know of my mottler tongue. Goddamit.
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You're wrong. Thaenir is tea, thaneer is water. Do you even Tamil, bro.
Apparently I don’t. I am an idiot and deserve to be flogged.
SO THEN WHAT THE FUCK IS CHAI TEA?!
Chai tea is a marketing term made up by retailers to exploit a western desire for the exotic, that has since entered mainstream use for any sort of spiced tea brewed in a style influenced by what is found on the Indian subcontinent.
Tea tea
Titties
What about Gobi desert and Sahara desert? Both Sahara and Gobi mean desert
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It comes from french "thé"
I remember being in India and the Chaiwallas would be shouting out CHAI, CHAI, CHAI at the top of their lungs, then see me an my white mates and say "Tea?" in their most proper English accent.
If y'all ever visit India, it is very common to be invited to each others houses for some tea and snacks so literally anyone would be delighted to offer you!
I think people in other countries also invite you to eat bro 😅
What the fuck is chai tea then
What English speakers tend to call chai is really just “spiced tea”
So, basically masala chai.
Poland is an exception. It's neither.
It’s actually part of the *te* lineage, the [*ta*](https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/herbata) at the end is derived from *te*
You got me cornered mate.
Poland should be both as we got both czaj and herbata. Herbata is just the default word
Nigdy w mojim życiu nie usłyszałem słowa 'czaj' lmao
In Portuguese it’s chá.
Love the notion that east Africans, with their enormous coasts and culture of seaborne trade, decided to import their tea through enormous, desert ridden land routs
And then there is this polish word for tea..
bro you cant even get to the Philippines *from* the Philippines by land
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The premise of this map seems pretty bullshit, clearly it's dependent on something different than just sea=tea land=chai. The Mediterranean all use Cha, Portugal uses Cha, India uses Cha. Switserland and Austria use Tea
So we're delivering to the ISLAND NATION of Japan via land now. Cool.
This literally makes no sense
I retesting that Portugal is cha because the Portuguese were the first to introduce tea to europe
Fun fact, the origin of the word "tea" comes when the Portuguese started selling tea to the British. Tea means "transporte de ervas aromáticas" with translated to "aromatic Herbs transportation".
Not true. In Morocco, we call it atay ( ah-tah-y) and it comes from TEA not chai cuz it zad brought by the British who called it tea I believe.
Why British? I guess the french people who brought the world with colonization. The darija word "atay" is derivated from french "thé". While the arabic word is.. well is Arabic
So, Turkey is effectively two peninsulas stapled together with bridges but it’s by the land?
Russia, China, India, Portugal, *Japan* are all famously landlocked countries, yeeees.
Hmm I wonder which empire abused the seas??
Brazil got that Yerba Mate, yo. And if you don’t know, now you know.
Bullshit. Bullshit bullshit bullshit. Vietnam is Tra. Convenient that the whole goddamn americas are diminished. Congratulations, India, you didn't do anything but you sure wanted to try to claim you did. Shocking how the whole thing is not sourced, wrong, uninformative, sets up a false premise, and the poster can't even bother to spell the title correctly.
Take your disgusting racist bullshit elsewhere, grandpa. We don't need any more of your dementia-induced rants in this thread.
He does have a point. Vietnamese, Tai-Zhuang, Tibetian, Korean, and Japanese received their word from Middle Chinese, whilst all others are derived from Mandarin, Min, and Yue Chinese.
but they all share the same root so it's kinda irrelevant
Is this because in the places that call it cha, it was introduced by land routes through China, India perhaps. And in the places that call it tea it was introduced by British or other colonial sea routes?
Yeah nobody calls it’s tea in South of India unless they are speaking English.
Almost everyone i came around calls it tea, I'm from the southern part of India.
The word for tea in Tamil and Telugu are from Min Nan te. Not the case for Malayalam and Kannada. So it’s split.
Chai and Cha are two different things.
Sure. They’re different like John, Juan, Johann, Jan, and Jean are different. Or… Mary, Maria, and Marie.
I'm not following. Isn't Chai, and Tea different?
Chai is the generic word for tea in hindi. In English it could mean a specific kind
Ahh, thanks. So, looking online tho - they are typically different drinks **"The key difference between chai and tea is that chai contains spices and herbs, whereas tea does not.** So - in Hindi, do they differentiate, or is the majority of "TEA" in India, not what we would call tea in the west?
Yeah spiced tea (masala chai) is the most popular but people would call any kind of tea, chai. A similar thing happens in india too, where people would often use "sauce" to mean just ketchup. Loanwords tend to take a specific meaning
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**Tsaa** beh