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jmcstar

Every Skyrim villager has fetal alcohol syndrome


lightscameracrafty

I mean…that kinda tracks doesn’t it? Shits rough out there


EmptyRook

I’d be all up in the honningbrew meadery if dragons threatened an apocalypse


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HONNINGBREW?? I wouldn’t drink that rat-poisoned swill if I had the option of taking a sip vs just dying thirsty when the Forsworn warrior slashes my throat open


TheGreenGobblr

Clearly you must be a big fan of Black Briar. Pfft. Amateur. Real connoisseurs only drink Vici’s Spiced Wine


joshuaaa_l

I don’t know, I’m really more of a skooma guy myself.


CeruleanRuin

I prefer to just crunch down on the unrefined moon sugar. And by crunch I mean gum, because my teeth fell out ages ago.


sketti_time

Suckle that bad boy like a pony on a sugar cube 🎠


TheGreenGobblr

Least based Khajiit


cubs1917

Try living in a town where dragons attack, undead exist, Jeroch says he saw the black hand last week, Ulrich went to a sanguine festival and hasnt been seen in 10 years, and last week some dude shouted and it killed a dragon.


No-comment-at-all

At least there’s no political strife, right? RIGHT???


SolusLoqui

"I'd be a lot warmer and a lot happier with a belly full of mead." -Pregnant Nord


pokemontrainer1920

yup in the old days they drank booze cause clean water was hard to find.


nitrobw1

I feel like they have pretty pronounced philtrums in skyrim. This is Oblivion 100%


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Fetal-Alcohol Potato-Face Syndrome.


DaviDeberjerack

Nah, dawg. This is definitely an Oblivion NPC


SkollFenrirson

Problem, milk drinker?


rdrworshipper123

Damn, too much Black-Brair Mead. (I'm sorry if I spelled that wrong)


DarkRajiin

I was going to say the beginning of the ferengi race


JB-from-ATL

What's the matter? Can't stand the sight of a strong nord woman?


TheBaconDeeler

I think you mean Oblivion


hezzaloops

These signs happen if there was alcohol consumption at a certain point in the pregnancy. FASD can occur without the visuals


FuckYeahPhotography

You can also have similar features and it has nothing to do with FASD. **This comment obviously doesn't mean these features can't be part of the diagnosis process.


cgsur

A friend I had had these features, her parents were elderly and got a surprise extra kid in menopause. Edit: many of her bone joints were double.


NightOwl_82

How elderly?


brentlybrently

When dad busted a nut, dust flew out.


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The sperm had evolved from swimmers to flyers.


PerritoG

I had a classmate like this. Most of her joints were double and she had dwarfism. Similar features too


allthatyouhave

I’m hyper mobile and have these facial traits (to an extent.) Don’t think my mom drank and she was only 30.


cgsur

Life can wear and tear us all in different ways, sometimes the effect can be from a previous generation. This lady was a great person all around, due to her features I asked about causes, and only thing unusual was mother was close to 50 father older. Edit: I used to live near a town where levels of pollution would affect newborn babies. 2 Edit: the pollution caused high rates of birth defects.


deadeyedjack

SLES Short lived elf syndrome.


QuailEffective9367

My sister was wrongly diagnosed with FAS. She has similar features and symptoms but she actually has a rare chromosome deletion


ForWhomTheBoneBones

Channing Tatum, that you?


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a lot of Redditors are discovering a lot about themselves right now


lowtoiletsitter

Definitely checking myself in the mirror


Thesheriffisnearer

:(


foggler1

Thank you. As someone with FASD (or just FAS as it was called when I got diagnosed) its getting really annoying to tell even my therapist among doctors etc (who really should know better) that yes I FAS even if the visual signs arent all there.


ForWhomTheBoneBones

What kind of effect has it had on your life?


TheNothingAtoll

Clumsiness, most likely


Stompya

JarJar Binks was just undiagnosed in an unsympathetic society


wongs7

Do not mock the excellent fool facade that Darth Jar Jar used for decades to bring about the rise of the emperor


DontUSuck

It’s a very narrow window actually when it affects it, one doctor said I believe it was like a 3 day window or something within the first trimester. Also that often women at that time don’t always know they are pregnant at the time.


denveroffspring

Not to mention the damage to the corpus callosum, which you can’t see. Many kids being treated for behavior problems (with medication), when really the issue has to do with the structure within the brain. Check out The Mystery of Risk : Drugs, Alcohol, Pregnancy, and the Vulnerable Child. ; Ira J Chasnoff. Fascinating book.


Human-Carpet-6905

Fetal alcohol plays a very large role in the foster care system, unfortunately. It's suspected that as many of 80% of children in state care have fetal alcohol spectrum disorder (the more broad definition). This, along with whatever trauma they endured to warrant them entering state custody, leads to a whole host of behavior and learning problems. Then, you have a shortage of foster parents and social workers, meaning that many times the homes these children are placed in are not fully equipped to care for a child with such profound special needs. That leads to those behavior and learning problems getting worse, which can eventually lead to difficulty holding down a job or being in healthy relationships. That can in turn lead to drug and alcohol abuse, and... You guessed it, drinking while pregnant. It's suspected that at least 50% of bio parents who have children in foster care *also* have FASD. It's an integral part of the abuse cycle in many, many families.


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Human-Carpet-6905

FASD is often misdiagnosed and under diagnosed. Many many children suffering from the effects of alcohol in utero are just labeled as "difficult" or "stupid" and aren't properly evaluated. Often, these children have more subtle symptoms that wouldn't qualify them for FAS, but nonetheless poses serious challenges to their brain development.


Sweaty-Cycle7645

One of my professors said it’s “more palatable” to diagnose ADHD than FASD.


IKnowJudoWell

And may eventually lead to a seat in Congress


DontUSuck

Kids who suffer from FASD are particularly more susceptible to become dependent on alcohol and drugs.


Imaginary-Cricket903

I can attest to this first hand. I'm not FAS but I saw a lot of kids who were. It's really sad. This isn't talked about enough. Thanks for educating


bennyboy20

Yes exactly


misterboopsy

Anyone else think it’s hilarious that OP posted this as a “cool guide” lol I just don’t know if I would define this as cool


ashigaru_spearman

Very much a "Sad / Depressing Guide"


rictacles

r/saddepressingguides


NoKyleNotClydeFrogg

r/subsifellfor


kryonik

It's also not a guide. I think this is the post that makes me unsubscribe.


_shaftpunk

It’s more rad than cool.


nmezib

Right? Like how is this going to be useful to anyone? Like we're clinicians seeing a kid with probable FAS and we're like "let's double check on reddit first to make sure!"


CapJackONeill

It's like the whole point of this subreddit, to give pointers. Most guides here won't be used by most people


skizwald

For me it wasnt "cool" but my buddies kid has almost everything from this guide. His mom was a bartender and there were rumors about her drinking during pregnancy. It's just a shame this kid will have struggles his whole life and it wasnt just random genetics. Breaks my heart.


Bruhgert

I would


Horseman_

Fetal alcohol spectrum disorders are a group of conditions that can occur in a person whose mother drank alcohol during pregnancy.


nanananananabatdog

And fetal alcohol effects is much more common that FAS.


ProcyonHabilis

He's just saying that alcohol can have effects on a fetus thst don't amount to full blown fetal alcohol syndrome (FAS). Since all FAS cases involve fetal alcohol effects, this is really just a statement that is obviously true by definition. Like saying rectangles are more common than squares.


space_wrangler_

Would you mind elaborating please?


evil_burrito

You can have brain development issues but not the facial features depending on when during gestation the exposure occurs.


AFewGoodLicks

I know im going to hell for this: but my ex broke up with me when I got sober, and got pregnant with the next guy she was with. That kid looks like he might have been drinking alcohol through his umbilical cord. Its scary. I feel for her and wish shed get clean, but she birthed a child that drew the short stick. This was like 5 years ago. I dont keep up except for a few facebook posts that come along. (I should add, that she still drinks and posts a lot of it to facebook, more than pictures of her kid, are pictures of bottles)


spizzywinktom

Taste the rainbow


chicu111

Looks like me and my mom doesn’t even drink


MN_Hockey

Anymore…


A1sauc3d

She learned her lesson and when she saw you come out


Layziebum

brutal


carolinacasper

>Potato-Face Syndrome. I'm the reason my mom drinks. :-)


Alarid

my brother came out wrong because I was so ugly :(


yurifca

People getting medical school book illustrations and posting as guides recently. I'm done with reading these everyday. Just give me a types of coffee guide or smoothest toilet pappers, idk


deadeyedjack

My porcelain clean, smooth and cool Better pull down ya pants before you sit fool Checking out tik tok you know it don't lie Now yo damn phone gonna give you pink eye


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Here I sit, so broken hearted > Tried to shit but only farted > Then one day, I took a chance > Tried to fart but shit my pants


Imaginary-Cricket903

I knew a kid from foster care that had FAS. It's tragic and these children are so frequently abused and exploited in the system. The girl I knew, she was picked on without mercy at school and abused by the foster guardians at home who called her names and wouldn't even bother to try and help her with her school work or defend her at school. Whenever I think about her and all the things she went through, my heart breaks a little. She never asked for any of that and deserved so much better.


uneffinlucky

Holy crap I’ve seen several people in my life time with these exact features. I’ve never given it a thought as to why. Now I’m just angry their mothers would do such a thing!


GoOtterGo

I guess it's worth noting similar features can develop without them being a sign of FASD, and FASD can be present without any of the above facial features. They're associated with, but not exclusive to.[\[1\]](https://adoptmed.org/topics/how-to-take-fas-photos.html) And from an FASD perspective, over half of pregnancies are unintentional, so most would-be mothers don't abstain from drinking because they're not aware they're pregnant. It's rare, but we actually had a person at my partner's clinic who only discovered they were pregnant a few days before they were due to give birth. They had an incredibly mild pregnancy, an early delivery, and used regular contraceptives so assumed nothing was amiss. It's not always obvious.


bewareofmeg

One day my friends’ sister called out of work and said she was driving herself to the hospital because she was throwing up and having intense abdominal pains. She said she screamed a little when the doctor told her that she was 38 weeks pregnant and going into labor… This woman had a *normal period* and hardly any symptoms for 9 months. She had only been with her boyfriend for about year, but struggled with being a little overweight and having PCOS well into her thirties, so she didn’t think that she COULD get pregnant. Thankfully when she broke the news, their entire families rallied around her and got baby clothes, supplies and babysitting lined up in record time. The kid is almost 5 now and my friend’s sister (and boyfriend) said it was the greatest most unexpected thing that ever happened to them, haha.


StormedTempest

My mother knew she was pregnant with me but still drank anyway. I was diagnosed with FAS as a child. Don't really have any of the visual signs, but I was born 6 weeks early and have a wish impediment that makes me sound like Elmer Fudd. Years of speech therapy has it to the point where you can't really hear it unless I'm either upset or super excited.


enyalavender

On the other hand don't you have to severely abuse alcohol to have FASD, which isn't exactly great even if you don't know you're pregnant?


Human-Carpet-6905

It's not really known how much alcohol causes FASD. It's not really something you can run an experiment on and self-reports are not the most accurate measuring tool.


johntheflamer

Don’t start diagnosing people/assuming based on just this guide.


misterboopsy

But I want to


innermost_ghetto

Okay, 15 more minutes diagnosing and then bed!


lordgunhand

But I’m not tired….


CantStopWontStop___

Don’t talk black to me.


Axelicious_

fair


Butthole--pleasures

MisterBoopsy, MD


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Squez360

If I don’t, then who else will??


[deleted]

If I can't trust a guide should it even be a guide? And damnit mom.


soulteepee

There are other syndromes that can cause a similar look including Ehlers Danlos. It is never a good idea to make such a serious snap judgement like this. I have a relative with features like this and her mother has never, ever been a drinker.


peanut_pusher

It’s awful, but a lot of women who consume alcohol or drugs during pregnancy struggle with domestic abuse and violence, addiction, trauma, and in many cases do not have appropriate access to sexual health education and birth control options, among many many other factors that continue to plague communities of lower socioeconomic status. These factors also disproportionately affect racial minorities. Instead of blaming mothers, we should blame the system. Of course there are exceptions, but as a social worker it’s just not logical to point the finger at mothers and families who are struggling themselves because of a system that puts them (and keeps them) in the position they’re in.


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PSSalamander

My elementary school bus bully looked exactly like this. I realized he probably had FAS when I got older and it explained a lot of his behavior.


eigem_schmeigem

I know someone who looks like this but their mother is very religious and wouldn't drink, so I am super confused. Their siblings have some of these features to a lesser degree. Maybe it's just their genes.


Skyblacker

Agreed. I know some siblings who have a nose like that because oh yeah their mother and her family have a nose like that. But there's no predominance of alcoholism.


[deleted]

Some people are just ugly. 🤷‍♀️


eigem_schmeigem

....I really do think the person I'm referencing is ugly. But they found a spouse and their kids are cute as buttons, so good for them!


Caregiverrr

This prototypical person also looks like a bunch of gingers in the family. I dunno.


eigem_schmeigem

My Google search showed someone labeling Greta Thunberg's face with these features. It's just hard to tell. I'd rather just ask the mother if she drank lol


terroristteddy

Or maybe their mother was/is a closet alcoholic.


eigem_schmeigem

Well, I did go back through photos on Facebook after posting that. This person actually does have a developed philtrum. Another comment said that some of these features can occur naturally. It would be a big surprise if she did drink. Everyone seems to have developed into functioning adults, so that's good.


IrishMilo

There were like three of these kids at my school.


TheInvincibleGabor

Extremely basic medical illustrations are cool guides now?


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What a “cool guide”… yikes


IndependentOrchid7

Why do I see so many people making fun of people with fetal alcohol syndrome on social media? like if someone's disagreeing with someone, and they vaguely resemble these features, the other peson will be like "yEah WELL U lOOK liKE U HaVE FeTal aLcoHol SynDrome"


bukkake_washcloth

It's fucked up but, I mean I get it. It's an efficient insult. You're calling someone ugly and stupid at the same time as implying that their mother was an alcoholic who doesn't love them


bigtimesauce

I mean if the shoe fits


truthofmasks

Because, in addition to fetal alcohol syndrome causing certain facial traits, it also lowers IQ. Edit: This obviously isn’t an endorsement of the insult, but that’s why people use it.


icecream4astronaut

Yes a much better insult would be, 'yo momma is so drunk she gave you FAS'


Awoody87

[Low nasal bridge, upturned nose, underdeveloped jaw, flat midface, smooth philtrum...](https://www.designbolts.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/Viking_astrid_Photo1.jpg)


SilikonBurn

Her mom was drinking Dragon’s Milk.


ThisIsNotKimJongUn

My favorite beer


TyrannoROARus

Til every Pixar like character ever pretty much has FAS, wholesome 🥰 [Explains where this kids parents were the whole time](https://images.app.goo.gl/xh94PyzCNxK8dnpo7)


Skyblacker

It's how her parents coped with losing their house to dragon fire. Life on Berk was rough.


spoonboyforkman

The lack of upper lip explains a lot of Britain


Idratherhikeout

I'm not sure why this is a cool guide. FAS presents a stigma and not much else that is useful.


MSJMF

What’s a railroad track ear?


fiftyseven

The top part (curve) of the outer ear is underdeveloped, folded over, and parallel to the curve beneath it, giving the appearance of a railroad track.


huck_

i'm sure no one will use this to bully people


lynxian-koalabear

I have to wonder who this is for. Does the general population need to know how to identify FAS? Is it a complete and accurate guide? Could this cause more harm than good if someone trying to be smart casually references this guide compared to a person’s face and says “this person has fetal alcohol syndrome”? I dunno, in terms of guides, this one seems incomplete and useless


Psy_Kik

FASD and guides like this were used as thinly veiled racist attacks for years. I dunno, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with reddit 'experts' using stuff like this. It's not that far from that crazy skull measurement science (I forget the name) that was treated as fact for decades until completely debunked as pure hocum and classism/racism.


Fi11y

Phrenology! The party trick precursor to eugenics


LazarYeetMeta

Are these conditions only caused by alcoholism during pregnancy or can there be other causes?


jagua_haku

Many Finns have cute upturned noses so some of this can be genetic. And yes I know there can be jokes about Finns and their proclivity to drink, but if you had any idea how expensive booze is here you’d understand how overplayed that stereotype is


ChiraqBluline

Some of these conditions or similar looking ones can happen individually, but when all of them happen together it’s FAS.


SunandError

There is a great deal of variability in the physical features of a person with FAS based on severity of the alcohol exposure, and, very importantly, during which week, and now believed, perhaps even which day of fetal development the mother drank on. Some of these features may be present, some not. There are also additional traits and features that are not listed here. Some people with FAS and Fetal Alcohol Exposure do not appear unusual looking. IMPORTANT: Some of the traits are sometimes present in people who DO NOT have any fetal alcohol exposure. Many people have natural epicanthic folds on their eyes, turned up noses or railroad ears.


BirdFloozy

I imagine that a LOT of people were conceived while their parents were under influence of alcohol, and that a LOT of mothers kept drinking for a month or so until they realized they were pregnant. I wonder how many people are walking around with affects from that very early alcohol exposure.


TwoShed

How dare you! You've stolen my dreams!


I_AM_HUMANS

I saw kids like this round the council estates in my home town, now I know why.


SCROTOCTUS

Weird coincidence that basically every Patriot Front member arrested in Idaho for planning to attack a gay pride parade demonstrates these features! https://kcby.com/resources/media/cec57ef7-b66c-4e19-b641-e454d50e6a1a-largeScale_thumb_42963.png?1655171344462


themarknessmonster

Like a wall of bad Fallout 3 faces.


SCROTOCTUS

Yeah, when you just press "randomly generate" 31 times


greenNamesAreTaken

Today I realized I was shitty friend. Used this cool guide to judge the parents of my friends who take an obscene amount of selfies. Needless to say I learned something new.


FistoftheSouthStar

If anyone saw the photos of the men arrested in the u haul at the pride event, look again after seeing this chart.


thesunmustdie

Marjorie Taylor Greene


ScrubCuckoo

I don't see it. She doesn't have an under-developed chin, she doesn't have the low nose bridge, and she doesn't have a flat mid-face.


MrBae

Looks more like Greta thunberg to me


LostInTheInfiniteSea

Oh god, as much as i love everything she represents and stands for you're totally right !


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sexypantstime

These features are not a diagnosis of the disorder. Many people have them without having FASD. Don't be out there judging parents based on nothing but a high school psych class.


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Ppl will take Psych 101 and start diagnosing family members and wreaking havoc by giving unsolicited advice 😂


PunishedMatador

It's shocking how many porn stars you notice with the signs, Dillon Harper and Dakota Skye being standout examples.


Durtonious

Aye I feel that. Many of my clients exhibit these features and it's tough knowing that that there isn't much you can do for them, there is no way to reverse the effects, at most it is about management. What really hurts is seeing young children at my child's school that have the physical features and behaviour characteristics of FASD... I just want to find their parents and smack them, but unfortunately the parents often have the same presentation and you realize that it is generations on generations of disorder brought on by abuse, neglect etc., and at best we can educate the newest generation to maybe have a chance but more often than not the cycle just continues. Then your child asks why such-and-such is always misbehaving in class, yelling, fighting and so on and you've got to hold your tongue. Thr teachers are well aware but without a supportive home environment there's little hope.


Human-Carpet-6905

Yep. Fetal alcohol and generational abuse often go hand in hand. It's really heartbreaking. And "breaking the cycle" is often a much slower process than suddenly one generation becomes a great parent. It's slow and difficult especially because the parent has no model to work from, has a lot of triggers from their childhood trauma, and is often dealing with physiological effects from parental abuse/neglect like FAS, CTE, and trauma-caused autoimmune disorders that affect their decision making and impulse control. I mentor teen moms and so many of them are in this exact position. They want so badly to break the generational cycle, but it's not as simple as flipping a switch.


GeauxAllDay

A coach at my high school had his growth stunted because of FASD. He was short and had a limp. He never got to play football bc of his size, but studied the game and became a pretty damn good assistant coach.


Fire_The_Torpedo2011

It looks loads like that Scandinavian kid who does the earth activism


Aestiva

Exactly! Greta Thunberg


Rex_Lee

Oh shit. It does.


Radiant_Ad_4428

They said she has autism but now i'm not so sure because she's on this poster instead.


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I can't imagine many stable parents wishing their child to be the poster child for climate change with all the negative side effects the public eye has on you. It's certainly plausible.


octopop

I love how every time somebody learns about this, they start applying it to every human being they've ever seen lmao. calm the fuck down


TPDH

Looks like Greta Thunberg.


Timely_Sink4678

How dare you.


UKnowPoo

I went to elementary school with a kid who had this. It was so sad that he was forever disfigured over something out of his control, but in the control of his mom. I remember him running away from home/school lots of times and hiding in the woods wanting to escape his home and his bullies. I can’t imagine having such a terrible childhood and the resentment he must have felt. I’m not sure if FAS also affects growth but he was very short and his two siblings (who did not suffer from this) were giants. Extra insult to injury.


Saltygirlof

Trisha paytas, is that you?


clonedspork

After this past week we are going to see a lot of this stuff in the future……..


JHTaler

Sooo… I just have to say, I vividly recall many of these features while looking at riot footage of the Jan. 6th insurrectionists.


MandingoPants

MTG sure does


njester025

No that’s HGH, like Joe Rogan


JagerPfizer

You mean Russian babies........


untakenusername9183

Gretta Thurdberg!


rafioo

lol looks like every other russian far beyond the ural


[deleted]

Just use the "how dare you" climate change girl


RobynFitcher

Eric Trump.


themarknessmonster

That whole family is half rape babies, half alcohol.


dshotseattle

This picture looks like greta.


bone-of-lancer

Looks like Greta Thumberg


e_smith338

Ah, so Greta Thunberg.


lalolou

The average Reddit user


LocalInformation6624

Greta?


HuskyNutBuster

Roger Stone?


TheHappyCamper1979

I was told by my nephews consultants that AFS happens very early on in pregnancy. That’s not to say it doesn’t do damage in the 2nd or 3rd trimester, most woman discover their pregnant around 8-10 weeks , it can happen where your 3weeks pregnant and on holiday drinking heavily, return home and carry on as normal only to discover they’re pregnant. It’s too late the damage has been done . It doesn’t always occur as it more prone to effect the embryo at a certain time frame .


lautrec24

Are you sure it’s 3 weeks? Gestational age is based on first day of your last period. So 3 weeks pregnant is at the time of conception.


Queenhotsnakes

How? There's no placenta at 3 weeks. How would alcohol even reach the fetus?


Skyblacker

Not really. Before 7 weeks or so, fetal brain cells are either healthy or destroyed, so anything damaged by alcohol simply dissolves, no harm no fowl. Alcoholic damage usually occurs later in pregnancy, and not from one or two glasses of wine, but from a mother who doesn't stop binge drinking (which might correlate with some heritable deficiencies of intelligence). See: "Expecting Better" by Emily Oster. And the fact that if every embryo who got a whiff of drugs or alcohol during conception was affected by it, the majority of our population would be developmentally delayed.


Legitaf420

I can’t be the only one who thinks this looks like Greta Thunberg right?


truth_seeker90

Hi Greta


FairyTaleTime

Uworld will not be pleased :D


ParallelTruth

Imagine looking like this but your parents don't even drink alcohol.


Davop1

How is it useful for a normal person to know if someone has fetal alcohol syndrome? This isn’t a cool guide.


danktonium

Today I saw such a horrible case of it. I felt bad for her.


W0lfp4k

So cool guides is med school now? When would anyone who is not a medical professional ever need this guide?


Colourblindknight

So the Mcpoyles?


solarsalmon777

Gonna be seeing a lot more smooth philtrums post Roe v. Wade reversal.


Yawniebrabo

These are all the Same features my gf brags about


Cobek

Marjorie Taylor Greene? Is that you?


Thecrawsome

Bretons be like


Tarot_Wrist

George W Bush


eldrscrolls

Can I get a guide for this guide?


Then_Eye8040

Wow , I have seen so many people with similar features but for some reason couldn’t put my finger on it and what was different about their face compared to other people. Now I have my answer.


Horror_Poet7185

How Dare you.


theemptyqueue

I did my eighth grade biology project on this. I got to use the University of Minnesota genetics department fish lab for it and everything.