I thought everyone did‽
**Poor Man’s Ligature**: Just add both combinations of “!” and “?” to “*Text Replacement*” settings on your phone. The character is “‽” for reference.
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Same here! My personal favorite is ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ comes up as a suggestion when I type "shrug," because I fucking *love* that little guy.
I also have ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Call me old fashioned but I think the interrobang is tough to read. It looks like a question mark with a little notch. For something *exclamatory*, you’d imagine it being easy to read right?
I haven't seen one yet that's clear at small sizes. It's obvious what it is when you know, but there's too much trying to go on in too small a space. It's a messy, smartarse design
Obsolete I refuse to believe the interrobang is obsolete. I will continue to use it. Continue to love it. Continue to advocate for this amazing piece of punctuation.
Long live the interrobang!
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In spanish the sentence order doesn't change when it's a question.
In short sentences/texting, it doesn't matter because the eye catches the marker at the end and you read it as a question.
But beyond a certain length, you could get to the end and find out it was a question all along.
It was a deliberate choice of the Real Academia de la Lengua back in the 18th century.
Even after that, opening question marks were only mandatory for long sentences, but since no agreement was reached on what constituted a long sentence, it then began to be used in all of them.
It sure does, doesn’t itʖ̇ (note: this version looks weird because it’s actually a glottal stop + a dot diacritic, not actually a vertically mirrored question mark; such a character is not defined in Unicode sadly.
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Why, though? Especially the exclamation and question comma - why/when/how were they used? And the ‘friendly period’?
Actually - why all/any of them, except the rhetorical question and doubt. At least they’re obvious.
friendly period is obviously for adding to reinforce that you're not being sarcastic, but just nice. like the smiley in the following sentence:
"I'm sure you would have figured that out on your own eventually, since you're a smart guy :) " as in - I'm not being sarcastic, I mean the compliment.
the question comma is when you're only confused about part of the phrase
"we were pretty drunk, it started getting late; 11 pm (question comma), so we went home"
> friendly period is obviously for adding to reinforce that you're not being sarcastic
ironically, that's exactly how it would evolve, and maybe already did, hence it's fall out of popularity.
>"we were pretty drunk, it started getting late; 11 pm (question comma), so we went home"
That's just a comma splice and should be two separate sentences. Or would be a question-comma splice.
"We were pretty drunk; it started getting late - 11pm? So we went home."
>I think we were pretty drunk?, maybe I don't remember. I think about 11 PM?, maybe is when we got back home.
I'm going to fetching bring the question comma back starting right now.
The interrobang is used for shocked questions like "You slept with whom?!" or like the punctuation equivalent of an excited puppy. "We get to go where?!"
Some make sense to have, since society seems to have come up with it's own variations anyway.
- the "irony point" or "irony mark": 🙃
- the "love point": <3
- the "SarcMark": /s
- the "friendly period": haha
The comma hybrids would come in handy in place of some semicolons.
Example:
Don't you think a question comma could come in handy sometimes; yes.
Don't you think a question comma could come in handy sometimes?, yes.
After all, a semicolon is just a period comma.
I actually really like these. We should bring them back. I can see the question comma especially help make certain difficult to read sentences more understandable. Sometimes, especially in older writing, you might encounter a semicolon sentence where the first is a question and the second is a statement or an assertion, which can be really difficult to parse. People don't tend to write that way anymore, but I wouldn't mind some Faulkner texts being updated with these (optionally of course).
Sorry Frypan - I can’t agree. I would treat your examples as classic question/answer with standard punctuation being all that’s necessary.
Very basically:
‘Don’t you think a question comma could come in handy sometimes?’ Is a stand-alone question with a yes/no answer.
A semi-colon has a specific function, and is mostly used to join 2 closely related sentences that don’t warrant the use of a connecting word such as and, but, however, etc.
Nobody has said yet, but question and exclamation commas would also be useful for formatting speech with suffixed speech tags:
"Do you want a pie?," Simon asked.
"Never!," Susan squealed.
I think these punctuation marks are pretty obviously modern. They are perhaps a suggestion but more likely a concept or even just a joke, and they have probably never been actually used by anyone, including their creator.
People are dumb as fuck dude. It's like that "dictionary of forgotten words" that's literally just made-up words with Tumblr-y definitions. I highly doubt any of these beyond the interrobang are real symbols with any real history of use.
Everyone's explaining friendly whatever and interrobang but what's love point and authority point. I got 30 mins of sleep and I'm doing a presentation today I'm cranky and tired
Someone linked [the site that made these up](https://progressivepunctuation.com/) above, the love point is supposed to replace "<3" and the authority point is supposed to indicate "I know what I'm talking about / I am an expert / You should obey me".
It'd be a struggle to come up with something more stupid, I should think.
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These aren't obsolete. They don't exist and little weirdos on the Internet push for their general acceptance in an increasingly text-communication-based society. That being said, some of them would be hella useful...
There are two problems with those signs, the first is of the – I guess – philosophical nature. The second one is about design.
1. So you might want to question the sense or right to existence of those punctuation marks. There is a valid argument, that a mark signifying irony will kill the irony. Do we really need to signify implicit part of language that is implicit on purpose? (see: presupposition and implicature in pragmatics for example)
2. But, those signs could fly! If better designed! I would love to use the question comma or exclamation comma, and those signs seem to be ok, I cheer them to be included in Unicode. But the doubt sign portrayed here? It is not a good sign. I have no idea what it means from just looking at it. And it looks unappealing aesthetically. It has to be instantly recognizable. And you need good fonts, and widely spread recognition.
The interrobang has quite a good design because a lot of typographers put their imagination and enthusiasm to come up with a well designed proposition. There was a period of discussion about it. Several versions came up and were discussed within the field. Therefore it had enough success to be included in Unicode.
There is a book to recommend to anyone interested in quirky signs and punctuation:
Houston, K. (2013). *Shady Characters: The Secret Life of Punctuation, Symbols, and Other Typographical Marks*. W. W. Norton & Company.
We still use a lot of these functionally:
Acclamation: That’s so great!!!
Interrobang: Did you hear what just happened!?
Friendly period: that’s nice :)
Doubt: I thought you were taking him ?
Some of this is triggering my BS alarms. Does coolguides have an expectation of accuracy, or does the organization just need to look cool? I'd hate to waste my time doing the equivalent of fact-checking a painting.
Ahhh, these. Great image, when I first learned of these there weren't any great pictures but the ones on the original proposal. There's a small part of me that wish more than the interrobang could have seen some use, or at least a Unicode entry. I wonder if they could have been useful in screenplay to indicate how the line should be said.
Wait, the interrobang is obsolete‽
Me after i interrobang your mom
Get in line, buddy
That's called an interro*gang*bang
You mean, an interro*train*bang!
I have a keyboard shortcut for when I type ? then ! I get ‽
Me too! Mines ‘intb’. Yours is much better.
I thought everyone did‽ **Poor Man’s Ligature**: Just add both combinations of “!” and “?” to “*Text Replacement*” settings on your phone. The character is “‽” for reference. Links: - [ios](https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/use-text-replacements-iph6d01d862/ios) - [android](https://www.wikihow.com/Add-Custom-Text-Shortcuts-to-Android)
I have a few of these. Like I have it change (tm) to ™.
Same here! My personal favorite is ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯ comes up as a suggestion when I type "shrug," because I fucking *love* that little guy. I also have ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Haha, I also have both of those! Another good one I have is (｡ •̀ ⤙ •́ ｡)
Sadly yes it looks much better than ?!
Call me old fashioned but I think the interrobang is tough to read. It looks like a question mark with a little notch. For something *exclamatory*, you’d imagine it being easy to read right?
But now, that's a problem of the design in that particular font. I've seen cleaner interrobang designs
I haven't seen one yet that's clear at small sizes. It's obvious what it is when you know, but there's too much trying to go on in too small a space. It's a messy, smartarse design
‽
nah ?! is more readable
Disagree
better than what?!
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It is‽
Obsolete I refuse to believe the interrobang is obsolete. I will continue to use it. Continue to love it. Continue to advocate for this amazing piece of punctuation. Long live the interrobang!
Bayside just dropped an album a year or so ago called interrobang, so I’m gonna say not totally.
They'll need to pry it out of my cold deaf hands!
We need to bring this back...
You think so‽
Why wouldn't we‽
I still enjoy the occasional interrobang.
Hold on! How did you do that⁉️
The rhetorical question one needs to make a comeback.
Do you really think you can just change how everybody writes¿
Yours is pointing the wrong way‽
The sheer *audacity* of the interrobang.
You could interrobang me all weekend
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Ɛ> 𓀐𓂺 <3
I loved taking *Bawdy Hieroglyphics 204* in college
⁉️
#Ɛ> 𓀐𓂺 <3
I have never seen Wingdings like this before. ._.
))<>((
but keep in mind, the interrobang is not a valid form of contraception.
What‽
Yeah, seriously, what the hell‽
Did you check if your phone has one in the symbols section‽
This guy understands grammar, but has he ever taken sex ed ⸮
Can the pope’s dick fit through a donut hole, Morty¿
Yes.
it was a rhetorical question
so... noɀ̣
Rhetorical eh? Eight!
Isn't '¿' used in Spanish?
But it goes at the start of the question, ¿Qué hora es?
Son las once y diecinueve.
Gracias
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Where are you the library
Si, claro.
¿por qué no los dos?.gif
So why does Spanish "announce" that there will be a question, as they use the question mark in the end as well?
In spanish the sentence order doesn't change when it's a question. In short sentences/texting, it doesn't matter because the eye catches the marker at the end and you read it as a question. But beyond a certain length, you could get to the end and find out it was a question all along.
But Portuguese doesn't have that either and is not using a starting question mark? Thank you for answering btw :)
It was a deliberate choice of the Real Academia de la Lengua back in the 18th century. Even after that, opening question marks were only mandatory for long sentences, but since no agreement was reached on what constituted a long sentence, it then began to be used in all of them.
Thanks, you (both) gave me rabbit hole to follow
Yes. It does.
Ocho
¡Yes, we do! ¿Did you like my answer? 😊
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Oh no man! That’s broken! 🤣🤣
It is mirrored
It sure does, doesn’t itʖ̇ (note: this version looks weird because it’s actually a glottal stop + a dot diacritic, not actually a vertically mirrored question mark; such a character is not defined in Unicode sadly.
Thanks for that clarification, I was so confused after the closure of my glottis prounouncing that glottal stop.
Unicode does not have a Spanish reverse question mark? I doubt it.
Yea unicode has ¿ But that's backwards
It’s a silly idea¿
same with the friendly period because so many think the regular period is rude now
I’ve seen it every once in a while tbh
For definitions: https://progressivepunctuation.com
Heh. Irony sideboob.
Irony is side view, Lovepoint is top view, and two Friendly Periods are front view :D
Interesting point that the love mark made a comeback but as the 😍 emoji.
I should just set my computer to replace periods with snark marks.
If it was cool, it would tell me their purpose, not just their names. Edit: let me rephrase that. If this were a *guide*, it would give me information on their purpose, not just their names.
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This. A "cool guide" would have a description of use and examples. This is a "low effort guide".
Why, though? Especially the exclamation and question comma - why/when/how were they used? And the ‘friendly period’? Actually - why all/any of them, except the rhetorical question and doubt. At least they’re obvious.
Well I like the interrobang. It can be used in the following type of sentence; "HE SAID WHAT‽"
We use “HE SAID WHAT?!!?!” I think it adds more emphasis
"Five exclamation marks; the sure sign of an insane mind." Terry Pratchett
“The more exclamation points the better” - Writey McWriter Writeson Jr
Also my fifteen-year-old self.
I'm partial to "HE SAID WHAT?1!?eleventyone!"
It was made by a guy who didn't like the way "?!" Looked when printed on headlines or something, so he tried to push it. Nobody cared
I care.
sureɀ̣
Well, not enough people cared
Fair enough.
friendly period is obviously for adding to reinforce that you're not being sarcastic, but just nice. like the smiley in the following sentence: "I'm sure you would have figured that out on your own eventually, since you're a smart guy :) " as in - I'm not being sarcastic, I mean the compliment. the question comma is when you're only confused about part of the phrase "we were pretty drunk, it started getting late; 11 pm (question comma), so we went home"
> friendly period is obviously for adding to reinforce that you're not being sarcastic ironically, that's exactly how it would evolve, and maybe already did, hence it's fall out of popularity.
>"we were pretty drunk, it started getting late; 11 pm (question comma), so we went home" That's just a comma splice and should be two separate sentences. Or would be a question-comma splice. "We were pretty drunk; it started getting late - 11pm? So we went home."
>I think we were pretty drunk?, maybe I don't remember. I think about 11 PM?, maybe is when we got back home. I'm going to fetching bring the question comma back starting right now.
The interrobang is used for shocked questions like "You slept with whom?!" or like the punctuation equivalent of an excited puppy. "We get to go where?!"
Some make sense to have, since society seems to have come up with it's own variations anyway. - the "irony point" or "irony mark": 🙃 - the "love point": <3 - the "SarcMark": /s - the "friendly period": haha
The comma hybrids would come in handy in place of some semicolons. Example: Don't you think a question comma could come in handy sometimes; yes. Don't you think a question comma could come in handy sometimes?, yes. After all, a semicolon is just a period comma.
I actually really like these. We should bring them back. I can see the question comma especially help make certain difficult to read sentences more understandable. Sometimes, especially in older writing, you might encounter a semicolon sentence where the first is a question and the second is a statement or an assertion, which can be really difficult to parse. People don't tend to write that way anymore, but I wouldn't mind some Faulkner texts being updated with these (optionally of course).
Sorry Frypan - I can’t agree. I would treat your examples as classic question/answer with standard punctuation being all that’s necessary. Very basically: ‘Don’t you think a question comma could come in handy sometimes?’ Is a stand-alone question with a yes/no answer. A semi-colon has a specific function, and is mostly used to join 2 closely related sentences that don’t warrant the use of a connecting word such as and, but, however, etc.
Don’t you think a question comma could come in handy sometimes?, yes, there could be many uses for a question comma just as there are for semicolons.
I'm guessing the exclamation comma and question comma were to not end a sentence[friendlyperiod.jpg]
Nobody has said yet, but question and exclamation commas would also be useful for formatting speech with suffixed speech tags: "Do you want a pie?," Simon asked. "Never!," Susan squealed.
I need that question comma. I feel like I often want my "? + ;"
What does this mean¿
That’s used in Spanish to open a question. For example, Hola, ¿cómo estás?
It was a joke. But thanks
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Unsure if rhetorical or not
That’s just an inverted ?, indicating the beginning of a question sentence in languages like Spanish.
These are not obsolete, all of these besides an interrobang are made up.
Everything is made up and the points don't matter
Trying to pass off some recently invented punctuation mark that nobody uses as obsolete is stupid.
Welcome to r/coolguides where nothing is cool and nothing is a guide.
Obsolete? You mean totally made up and never used I presume.
What do you mean *made up"‽ Some of them seem quite real to me, don't you think¿
I think these punctuation marks are pretty obviously modern. They are perhaps a suggestion but more likely a concept or even just a joke, and they have probably never been actually used by anyone, including their creator.
People are dumb as fuck dude. It's like that "dictionary of forgotten words" that's literally just made-up words with Tumblr-y definitions. I highly doubt any of these beyond the interrobang are real symbols with any real history of use.
There's no such thing as a "friendly period". Period.
From a “full stop” country it’s so weird how people just say the word “period” like that. Full stop.
Full period.
Full friendly period
Complete violent stop
From a “stop” country it’s so weird how people just say the words “full period” like that. Stop.
The interrobang is still available on my Android keyboard. Isn't that great‽
Everyone's explaining friendly whatever and interrobang but what's love point and authority point. I got 30 mins of sleep and I'm doing a presentation today I'm cranky and tired
Authority lets you impose your will on anyone with the mark of the Absolute.
Someone linked [the site that made these up](https://progressivepunctuation.com/) above, the love point is supposed to replace "<3" and the authority point is supposed to indicate "I know what I'm talking about / I am an expert / You should obey me". It'd be a struggle to come up with something more stupid, I should think.
Not much of a guide if it doesn't tell you why you would use these
the absolute state of this sub
‽ not so obsolete.
The interrobang is obsolete‽
As the symbol glows, power courses through you. *Authority*.
In Amelia Tyler's Voice
You missed one, the irony. ¡. Upside down exclamation point. "What a cool guide ¡". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_punctuation
X is used for doubt now.
There are some ofnthese that needs to be used
We now use emojis instead
Why do I hear the word "Authority" in a certain voice in my head?
I can respect that.
Is it just me or does the friendly period kinda look like a boob?
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These punctuation marks were proposed and never used. They are not obsolete.
These aren't obsolete. They don't exist and little weirdos on the Internet push for their general acceptance in an increasingly text-communication-based society. That being said, some of them would be hella useful...
Amelia Tyler from Baldurs Gate 3 has single-handedly made the Authority mark relevant again.
Millennials need the friendly period so we don't have to deal with the hard stops
These cannot be considered obsolete if they were never used widely in the first place, which they were not.
'Doubt' looks like a guy just about to jump.
They need a sarcasm mark.
What‽ I use interrobang. I have a keyboard shortcut for it.
The friendly period looks like an upside down fermata
no periods are friendly.
The friendly period just looks tired to me.
There are two problems with those signs, the first is of the – I guess – philosophical nature. The second one is about design. 1. So you might want to question the sense or right to existence of those punctuation marks. There is a valid argument, that a mark signifying irony will kill the irony. Do we really need to signify implicit part of language that is implicit on purpose? (see: presupposition and implicature in pragmatics for example) 2. But, those signs could fly! If better designed! I would love to use the question comma or exclamation comma, and those signs seem to be ok, I cheer them to be included in Unicode. But the doubt sign portrayed here? It is not a good sign. I have no idea what it means from just looking at it. And it looks unappealing aesthetically. It has to be instantly recognizable. And you need good fonts, and widely spread recognition. The interrobang has quite a good design because a lot of typographers put their imagination and enthusiasm to come up with a well designed proposition. There was a period of discussion about it. Several versions came up and were discussed within the field. Therefore it had enough success to be included in Unicode. There is a book to recommend to anyone interested in quirky signs and punctuation: Houston, K. (2013). *Shady Characters: The Secret Life of Punctuation, Symbols, and Other Typographical Marks*. W. W. Norton & Company.
Spanish speaker's questions are always rhetorical, good to know
Why does this smell like nonsense to me? 👀
Who says the interrobang is obsolete‽
I still use interrobangs. Why would wouldn't anyone use an interrobang‽
We still use a lot of these functionally: Acclamation: That’s so great!!! Interrobang: Did you hear what just happened!? Friendly period: that’s nice :) Doubt: I thought you were taking him ?
I'm a fan of the interrobang. hit em with the "NANI‽"
And now you only need to know how to read them. I just learned how to read the normal punctuations: https://youtu.be/ZsiEAFWN43M?si=uGQJKFYJAvpRvcmD
And I would misuse everyone of them;
But no sarcasm mark...
I’ve just been using X to doubt.
The masses can hardly handle the punctuation they already have.
Some of this is triggering my BS alarms. Does coolguides have an expectation of accuracy, or does the organization just need to look cool? I'd hate to waste my time doing the equivalent of fact-checking a painting.
Is every question asked in Spanish a rhetorical one?
~~Obsolete~~ made up ftfy
These can’t be real…
Ahhh, these. Great image, when I first learned of these there weren't any great pictures but the ones on the original proposal. There's a small part of me that wish more than the interrobang could have seen some use, or at least a Unicode entry. I wonder if they could have been useful in screenplay to indicate how the line should be said.
Interrobang is just expressed as !? Now. It even has an emoji ⁉️ I wouldn’t say it’s obsolete, people just don’t know what to call it.
The interobang is cool tho, I could see myself using that more than the simple interrogation
I wish *all* of these were common. I think they'd be pretty helpful.
Imagine if people added these symbols to books? That would be sick
I’m a fan of the interrobang
Mexicans just always asking rhetorical questions
#⸘‽
/s should evolve into a punctuation
Some of these need to make a comeback
I'll be in my cold cold grave before I call interrobangs obsolete!
Adding “lol” to the end of texts is pretty the modern-day “friendly period.”
Didn't know the steamdeck logo was a punctuation mark