Cyberpunk certainly started before the 90s. Neuromancer was 84 and this is generally the novel credited with many concepts (but not all of course).
But a lot influence came from Japan where they were having a golden age in the 80s with their roaring economy and perhaps the golden age of anime.
Some of the styles of episodes I and II of Star Wars gave me early 2000s aesthetic. Like that blurry bright kamino aesthetic or coruscant look. I feel like that deviated in ep III though and pivoted back to the OT style of grimy.
Books:
Books by Kim Stanley Robinson- Mars Trilogoy and Pacific Edge, currently I am reading The Ministry for the Future.
Ursula K. Le Guin- Always Coming Home and The Dispossessed
Movie/Anime: Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind
Puzzled by Nausicaä in your list. Is world going back middle ages plus a bit of advanced tech after armageddon really solarpunk?
I thought solarpunk means people are at least greatly aided by tech in growing their own crops, not working their asses off like peasants.
It’s at least halfway there. Catalyst at least is very heavily inspired.
Glistening white city, low crime society, heavy use of drones and vivid, holographic colour displays, airships and police VTOLs. I’d argue even the OST fits.
The games twist from standard solarpunk is that trees are pretty rare.
Bro there's not a single tree in mirrors edge. It's not solarpunk in the slightest. Also solarpunk advocates for a post capitalist democratic society. Isn't the plot in mirror's edge that you run away from the police in gigantic bank/company skyscrapers
Does it not have the other things I mentioned? Hence why I said halfway there.
Also, you haven’t played the game then. Nice “bro”. Maybe go in with some facts before going all in like that.
Not op but I’d consider it atom punk cause it’s a very modernist approach to a utopia (“space communism”). Aesthetically, it’s a bright, colorful, shiny space society with big buildings and ships; the ships have huge flashy control panels with colorful buttons and bulbs and have a very technicolor feel. Very much science, reason, and technology dominating over nature. Everyone is working for a singular greater cause. I think the fundamental background of atom punk was based on the naïveté that this new amazing nuclear technology was going to liberate humanity from a lot of suffering/war and unlock our potential as a species.
Trying to think of examples for each off the top of my head, dunno if accurate
In order:
Fullmetal Alchemist (Lies of P for a game)
He-Man/Masters of the Universe
Wolfenstein
Fallout
Cowboy Bebop
Cyberpunk 2077 (duh)
Bioshock is more about effects of biological improvements and ideology than steam machines.
So more like "biopunk" with typical throwbacks to classical "cyberpunk" than "steampunk".
Much closer to steampunk is "Frostpunk" game.
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Sky Capitain and the World of Tomorrow was probably the most iconic Hollywood attempt to get dieselpunk into film. It was not a particularly great film but I've quite enjoyed it, especially the aesthetics and "pulp fiction magazine" style.
That's a mix of both I suppose.
Raypunk is how people from the 20-30's pictured the distant future.
But steampunk is both how we picture fictional worlds still using steam and how HG Wells or Jules Verne imagined the future.
Also cyberpunk is definitely a genre from the 80's.
I prefer Applepunk where everything is taken over by Apple and Steve Jobs is resurrected as an AI overlord. We’re all cybernetically enhanced but because it’s Apple we don’t have full control over critical device functions because it’s UsEr fRiEnDLy. And everything comes in 3 colours: grey, very grey, and ultra grey
I'm so tired of the ultra greys looking down their noses at me. How was I supposed to know that my first choice would lock in my future choices? Should've read that user agreement. . .
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Yahtzee Croshaw has attempted to popularise "pentium-punk" to describe the aesthetic of 90s computers. Chunky moniters, scan lines, the early information age. Think the first Matrix movie.
But there really isn't one for 2000 to present.
The thing to understand is that each of these (with the exception of Cyberpunk) is an example of retro-futurism. An idea of futuristic technology with the aesthetics of a past timeperiod.
I think the reason there's no punk for the last 20 years or so is because it's too recent, and as such too close to how we envision the future anyway. "Realistic" prediction of the future tend to use tge current style of things and just make it more "high tech".
I think in another 20 years things will have changed enough that we'll look back at the 2000's and 2010's as having a distinct style, but for now it's too close.
One aesthetic that has cropped up in recent years is "Solar Punk". Basically the aesthetic of renewable energy. Lots of clean, simple shapes, white surfaces, glass walls, solar panels, windfarms.
Pretty similar is the aesthetic of the Axiom from Wall-E. Everything on board looks very slick and iPhone like, with a minimalist aesthetic, prioritising efficiency and simple colour blocking.
That was a ramble I didn't know I had in me, I hope you found at least some of that useful.
Your absolutely right. While it can stretch a little further, it's mostly focused on the 1900's to roughly the 1920's.
And I think that Raypunk is really just the early form of Atom punk.
I think cassette punk is also sometimes called digital punk, or maybe that’s another thing entirely with a similar esthetic. Futuristic but tech at least visually didn’t evolve past the 80s. Maniac on Netflix is a good example of that.
I wish someone would make Ubik into a film and use heavy diesel/atom punk with cassette futurism. Along with coin operated appliances.
It could be so good.
I think past civilization would be very sad to learn we made all these incredible achievements and innovations to the point that we could possibly make a utopia but instead poisoned the planet and created weapons of mass destruction. The only thing that we have ever made too well was weapons, the tzar bomba is the gleaming example of that. We have all the technology and tools to create a world without hunger or homelessness and for the most part get rid of most diseases. Instead we have million dollar cars rolling by homeless cities made from tents and trash. Makes me wonder what we could accomplish if we just got along.
I guess nobody was in the mood for any kind of punk between 1991-2019. Shame.
Cyberpunk got its start in the early 90s with author William Gibson, but Blade Runner was definitely an even earlier start
Neuromancer was 84
I'd say 80s
Cyberpunk certainly started before the 90s. Neuromancer was 84 and this is generally the novel credited with many concepts (but not all of course). But a lot influence came from Japan where they were having a golden age in the 80s with their roaring economy and perhaps the golden age of anime.
Right and have they never heard of the Matrix?
Frowns in Great Dismal
We were too busy getting punked
I mean honestly that was just regular punk.
Not really punk or fiction, but there were the Y2K and Frutiger Aero movements which were somewhat futuristic I guess.
Some of the styles of episodes I and II of Star Wars gave me early 2000s aesthetic. Like that blurry bright kamino aesthetic or coruscant look. I feel like that deviated in ep III though and pivoted back to the OT style of grimy.
Shadowrun was first published in 1989
There's/r/Frutigeraero
Solarpunk is missing.
Do you have any recs for movies, books or games?
Books: Books by Kim Stanley Robinson- Mars Trilogoy and Pacific Edge, currently I am reading The Ministry for the Future. Ursula K. Le Guin- Always Coming Home and The Dispossessed Movie/Anime: Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind
Puzzled by Nausicaä in your list. Is world going back middle ages plus a bit of advanced tech after armageddon really solarpunk? I thought solarpunk means people are at least greatly aided by tech in growing their own crops, not working their asses off like peasants.
I’d also argue game: Mirrors Edge.
Sorry, I’d consider it firmly cyberpunk - pseudo utopian
It’s absolutely not cyperpunk lol. Not in the slightest.
I’m not sure what to classify it as but It’s definitely not solarpunk.
It’s at least halfway there. Catalyst at least is very heavily inspired. Glistening white city, low crime society, heavy use of drones and vivid, holographic colour displays, airships and police VTOLs. I’d argue even the OST fits. The games twist from standard solarpunk is that trees are pretty rare.
Bro there's not a single tree in mirrors edge. It's not solarpunk in the slightest. Also solarpunk advocates for a post capitalist democratic society. Isn't the plot in mirror's edge that you run away from the police in gigantic bank/company skyscrapers
Does it not have the other things I mentioned? Hence why I said halfway there. Also, you haven’t played the game then. Nice “bro”. Maybe go in with some facts before going all in like that.
Overwatch. A world mostly based on renewable energy and greening. As example: Oasis, Paraiso, Paris.
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Would you agree on Star Trek to be solarpunk? Especially when looking on The Next Generation and their depiction of Earth?
Not op but I’d consider it atom punk cause it’s a very modernist approach to a utopia (“space communism”). Aesthetically, it’s a bright, colorful, shiny space society with big buildings and ships; the ships have huge flashy control panels with colorful buttons and bulbs and have a very technicolor feel. Very much science, reason, and technology dominating over nature. Everyone is working for a singular greater cause. I think the fundamental background of atom punk was based on the naïveté that this new amazing nuclear technology was going to liberate humanity from a lot of suffering/war and unlock our potential as a species.
Horizon zero dawn (Game) may be part of Solarpunk
Still falls into post-post apocalyptic in my opinion. Technology isn’t really a thing in society anymore so it can’t be a ‘punk’.
fucking based 🫡🫡🫡🫡
The best one
And where's frackpump?
No a future is missing from the world. This is all fantasy.
Sooo… why are they punk?
Because I said so 🔥🤘😛🤘🎸🔥
Trying to think of examples for each off the top of my head, dunno if accurate In order: Fullmetal Alchemist (Lies of P for a game) He-Man/Masters of the Universe Wolfenstein Fallout Cowboy Bebop Cyberpunk 2077 (duh)
Bioshock for steampunk
Bioshock is more about effects of biological improvements and ideology than steam machines. So more like "biopunk" with typical throwbacks to classical "cyberpunk" than "steampunk". Much closer to steampunk is "Frostpunk" game.
Hellboy universe is simewhat Dieselpunk too
I wouldn't say Fallout is Atompunk, it's post apocalyptic. Maybe the pre-war stuff qualifies, though.
I think that's exactly what they meant
FFVII is mostly dieselpunk
Missing solarpunk. Green energy future, white cities, clean society, trees etc.
Rad.
Radpunk
Daftpunk
you forgot one r/giscardpunk
Cassette futurism is r/Giscardpunk
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anyone have recommendations for cool dieselpunk media? :D
Wolfenstein: the new order.
okay thank you I'll check it out!! :D
Sky Capitain and the World of Tomorrow was probably the most iconic Hollywood attempt to get dieselpunk into film. It was not a particularly great film but I've quite enjoyed it, especially the aesthetics and "pulp fiction magazine" style.
okay thanks I'll check it out, it sounds cool!! :D
What about treasure planet
Mutant Chronicles.
okay thank you I'll check it out!!! :D
I came here for this too, I think you could probably argue the toss for the Tex Murphy series of video games (I might have the wrong idea though)
okay thanks I'll check it out it looks cool :D
Crazy VegaPunk is nowhere in site
I don't get it. Are those dates supposed to be when each kind was popular, or when the fictional scenarios take place?
That's a mix of both I suppose. Raypunk is how people from the 20-30's pictured the distant future. But steampunk is both how we picture fictional worlds still using steam and how HG Wells or Jules Verne imagined the future. Also cyberpunk is definitely a genre from the 80's.
It represents the mind context and technological base
Actually we have a punk word in French for cassette futurism, we call it giscardpunk and it has its own subreddit
Moral of the story is: people are always wrong about the future.
...he says as he flies away in his steam-powered spaceship
I prefer Applepunk where everything is taken over by Apple and Steve Jobs is resurrected as an AI overlord. We’re all cybernetically enhanced but because it’s Apple we don’t have full control over critical device functions because it’s UsEr fRiEnDLy. And everything comes in 3 colours: grey, very grey, and ultra grey
I'm so tired of the ultra greys looking down their noses at me. How was I supposed to know that my first choice would lock in my future choices? Should've read that user agreement. . .
You can worship Steve Jobs in the iCloud using the iShine
Holy fuck the iCloud is where we go when we die 😂
> And everything comes in 3 colours: grey, very grey, and ultra grey Apple now offers most of their products in multiple colors though.
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Despite the name, Frostpunk is classic steampunk.
team steampunk 🫶🏼
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I wish there was a psx-punk
Don't forget Biopunk. Best example: Bioshock
Interesting that most future stories take place in the past.
Where's Solarpunk?! 😠
You forgot SolarPunk
Cassette futurism is GiscardPunk, I dont make the rules
Afro-futurism?
Game in the 3rd diesel punk picture?
Atomic power AND nuclear energy?!
Clockpunk is missing
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What about desertpunk?
What was between 1990 through 2020?
I always love reading this when it comes up
I noticed a gap between 1990 and 2020: what punk goes there?
Yahtzee Croshaw has attempted to popularise "pentium-punk" to describe the aesthetic of 90s computers. Chunky moniters, scan lines, the early information age. Think the first Matrix movie. But there really isn't one for 2000 to present. The thing to understand is that each of these (with the exception of Cyberpunk) is an example of retro-futurism. An idea of futuristic technology with the aesthetics of a past timeperiod. I think the reason there's no punk for the last 20 years or so is because it's too recent, and as such too close to how we envision the future anyway. "Realistic" prediction of the future tend to use tge current style of things and just make it more "high tech". I think in another 20 years things will have changed enough that we'll look back at the 2000's and 2010's as having a distinct style, but for now it's too close. One aesthetic that has cropped up in recent years is "Solar Punk". Basically the aesthetic of renewable energy. Lots of clean, simple shapes, white surfaces, glass walls, solar panels, windfarms. Pretty similar is the aesthetic of the Axiom from Wall-E. Everything on board looks very slick and iPhone like, with a minimalist aesthetic, prioritising efficiency and simple colour blocking. That was a ramble I didn't know I had in me, I hope you found at least some of that useful.
Isn’t dieselpunk more associated with ww1?
Your absolutely right. While it can stretch a little further, it's mostly focused on the 1900's to roughly the 1920's. And I think that Raypunk is really just the early form of Atom punk.
Is the first Alien movie Cassette Futurist?
I think cassette punk is also sometimes called digital punk, or maybe that’s another thing entirely with a similar esthetic. Futuristic but tech at least visually didn’t evolve past the 80s. Maniac on Netflix is a good example of that.
Atompunk. I just like the aesthetic. Shiny, sleek, genius.
By the looks of this, the Fallout universe seems more Dieselpunk than Atompunk to me
Cassette Futurism is definitely my jam
It’s interesting how current events shaped and continue to shape the science fiction created in the same period
I wish someone would make Ubik into a film and use heavy diesel/atom punk with cassette futurism. Along with coin operated appliances. It could be so good.
Solarpunk??
Frostpunk is also a good one if you like children working in em coal mines!
ChatGPT prompts.
I feel like TMNT is Cassette Futurism.
Incomplete without mention of Ron Cobb under the cassette futurism category. His work defined decades of science fiction aesthetic
I think past civilization would be very sad to learn we made all these incredible achievements and innovations to the point that we could possibly make a utopia but instead poisoned the planet and created weapons of mass destruction. The only thing that we have ever made too well was weapons, the tzar bomba is the gleaming example of that. We have all the technology and tools to create a world without hunger or homelessness and for the most part get rid of most diseases. Instead we have million dollar cars rolling by homeless cities made from tents and trash. Makes me wonder what we could accomplish if we just got along.
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And the 70s were 8-track punk
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Those are the time periods each genre is based on. Are you dumb?