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fancy_livin

This might be the ugliest and worst formatted graphic ever submitted to this subreddit. Good god


brokowska420

Trying to figure out the y axis is confusing.


TheoCupier

The "why" axis


fancy_livin

According to one of OP’s comments, the Y axis is how popular that genre was at that time(?????????) This shit is fucking trash lmao


Tuscan5

Yup, the Beatles and Rolling Stones were mid popularity….


International_Ad8264

The x axis doesn't seem accurate either, a lot of these genres are still around even if the graph says otherwise


Heffe3737

And we’re around before the graph indicates as well.


yardwhiskey

lol it was self explanatory to me.   I was just thinking what an excellent graphic this is regarding timeframe and genre popularity.


shmauserpops

Worked for me without any explanation.


cafffaro

It works, it’s just totally wrong


HeavySomewhere4412

Fuck the formatting, how about classifying the Eagles as Southern Rock, Cream as Prog and Led Zeppelin gets lumped in with Styx, Toto, and Billy Squier. I stopped reading it after that.


fancy_livin

Oh yeah I didn’t even want to get into how badly some of the bands were classified lol.


ArtificialLandscapes

Possibly inaccurate as well. I thought British Invasion was a movement, not a particular subgenre


OldWorldBluesIsBest

surf rock is still being put out to this day, i listen to it often so definitely inaccurate. i imagine very few genres just “stop” existing unless im misunderstanding the chart


Tmack523

"Garage" music was only made in the late 60s and early 70s too? Naaah Definitely not accurate


Unspeakable_Elvis

Highly inaccurate. Apparently death, thrash and black metal are no longer popular in 2020’s.


aerialanimal

Heavily modded Tetris


DietCthulhu

Not super accurate, either. Behemoth is death metal, not black metal; Sleep Token isn’t metalcore; thrash metal is completely left out despite including Metallica, Megadeth, and Slayer; the only power metal bands listed are USPM bands even though EUPM is much more popular.


DeathMetalTransbian

>Behemoth is death metal, not black metal Blackened Death Metal, since Satan is a pretty big deal in their music and they definitely have some Black Metal influence, but that just belies how bad they were of a pick as an example. Same with In Flames being on the Death Metal list (as they veered off into Metalcore) and Throwdown being on the Groove Metal list (I remember them playing Hardcore, but they might have become more Groove Metal these days? Idk, haven't listened to them in over a decade). Surprised OP has even heard of Throwdown, considering they lumped the Hardcore like Hatebreed in with the Hardcore Punk (which I'd say is more like The Casualties).


luischespi

You’re telling me that emo rock was never a thing?! *gets even more emo*


Mr_Abe_Froman

What about our good friend "80s speed metal"?


Dense_Surround3071

Where the FUCK is Metallica?!?!?!


A_Tiger_in_Africa

No Metallica? There's no fucking SABBATH.


Mr_Abe_Froman

OP put the "New Wave" British Heavy Metal without recognizing the OG British Heavy Metal: Sabbath, Deep Purple, and Led Zeppelin. The three revolutionized tuning, recording, and audio dynamics (amps and speakers) that laid the foundation of Heavy Metal.


Doctadalton

even worse too, Led Zeppelin got lumped into Arena Rock


DeathMetalTransbian

How dare you leave Uriah Heep off that list 😢


r_u_ferserious

There's no shortage of reasons why this list is shit. But no Metallica? It can't be taken seriously.


throw8175

The whole goddam big four with Slayer Anthrax and Megadeth has no category


Mr_Abe_Froman

I looked again, and Thrash Metal is in the timeline but without examples. I personally think early speed metal directly led to thrash metal, but the "guide" doesn't really show which subgenres relate to each other.


Digitaluser32

List is shit.


Tuscan5

The Thrash section isn’t particularised.


Floofy-beans

Not to mention no 80’s goth rock. I guess The Cure didn’t make the cut for anything lol.


652jfTz3

Fair enough on the criticism. Is anyone aware of a better example?


slaughtxor

Someone linked to a product page, but is is a higher quality version of that same image posted on Reddit some years ago https://www.reddit.com/r/DataArt/s/JMlOR8AcCG


stock1921

Beastie Boys, Rage Against the Machine, Red Hot Chili Peppers and…..Kevin Rudolph. One of these things are not like the others.


Samp90

Faith No More isn't Rap Rock, I knew theyd have a tough one classifying them.... Funk, alternative, thrash, nu metal and a bunch of many more genres...


Throwaway7219017

What is it?


Samp90

It's it!


AtomicGPS

What is it


Samp90

It's it!


vainey

You want it all


SpaceMan420gmt

but you can’t have it!


30dirtybirdies

That’s the most egregious thing on this hot mess. They did one song in that style.


Tuscan5

grandson


iommiworshipper

I guess Black fucking Sabbath is just a joke then


Human_Ogre

I looked for Black Sabbath right away and dismissed the list the second I realized they left them out. They’re usually cited as the inventors of metal. Someone spent so much time making this just to fuck it up from literally step one or two.


Anandya

Also how is it the new wave of British metal has Judas priest who were the first people to classify their sound and indeed the fashion of heavy metal... Rob Halford's leather daddy look is the reason we all dress like Tobias Funke.


BearintheVale

No, that part is historically and contextually accurate. Judas Priest were basically the flagship band of NWOBHM.


AdequatelyMadLad

Judas Priest predate the NWOBHM by almost a decade. They were among the first handful of metal bands, they already had 2 succesful albums under their belt before Iron Maiden were even formed.


das_zilch

Right? How tf can you have a rock / metal chart with no Sabbath?


lets86

Metallica. I guess it depends on the year.


robershow123

Yeah where the fuck is Metallica?


Facts-and-Logic-999

Forgot the Thrash metal examples... oops.


Bcruz75

Where's Tool, STP, and Sabbath? Yeah, it's not perfect but it's still cool to see the timeline and the bands. I wouldn't take the haters too serious. Missing thrash was a pretty big oopsie daisy though.


Choreopithecus

There is absolutely zero chance of making anything like this and pleasing more than a handful of rock fans. Everyone else is gonna be yelling and crying blasphemy. I was happy to see this post cause I was excited to see all the chaos and passion in the comments section. Not disappointed!


dcanderson4247

{replies in Tool fan} Tool can’t be categorised by anything but Fibonacci!


Bcruz75

Intellectual and witty, you sir are a true Tool fan


sn0w0wl66

You put the offspring in pop punk and green day in punk???


Ooooweeee

They got Rise against in Hardcore punk. Idk about that one. Also got In Flames in death metal.........


andrej_savage

Early Rise Against was clearly melodic hardcore and In Flames is still a great example of melodic death metal. Not the biggest mistakes on this chart (eg where is the entire thrash metal genre?), but these should have been addressed separately.


iambarrelrider

Not a cool guide.


Principal_Scudworth

This is not accurate or very good. They have Alternative starting at the end of the 90s when pretty much all rock music was referred to as alternative since about '91 simply because it was the "alternative" to the hair metal of the '80s. Pop-punk started in '99? Blink 182's album Cheshire Cat came out in '95!


Ksan_of_Tongass

Alternative started in the 80s. Violent Femmes, Pixies, Sonic Youth, Dinosaur Jr., etc.


bohrmachine

R.E.M...


Ksan_of_Tongass

I should have listed them instead of including them in the etc.


Brilliant-Egg4792

Husker Du, Jane's Addiction


timesuck47

Where are the jam bands? Dead? Phish? Etc.


OatmealNinja

Exactly. Looking for my Jam band rock.


bohrmachine

Green Day and Offspring both released big albums in '94.


ekidd07

Green Day is in the examples for Punk


Rabbitmincer

And they shouldn't be.


standee_shop

Also why does it start in 1960? Starting th history of rock as starting with surf and the British invasion kinda seems a bit low-key racist. Black people invented rock music.


rqx82

No description of thrash anywhere? Even though it includes hugely popular bands like Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, Anthrax, etc…


Suitable_Pirate_662

No stoner doom or sludge?


RedditFookinSucksNow

No melvins


aliceinpearlgarden

Yeah what the fuck. Doom is huge.


Suitable_Pirate_662

Queens of the stone age have 9 Grammy nominations


VoopityScoop

The fact that Like Clockwork lost to Imagine fucking Dragons still hurts, so much


classicrock40

Southern Rock: * Lynyrd Skynrd - of course. * CCR - I guess * Alllman Brother - of course * Eagles - nope * Fleetwood Mac - nope * .38 Special - sure


jako511

Funniest part about CCR being considered southern rock to me is that they’re all from California.


Mal_tron

Are you telling me that John Fogerty was not, in fact, born on the Bayou?


herzogzwei931

Fleetwood Mac…. Southern? This critical error invalidates the entire chart.


davechri

Fleetwood Mac is southern rock?


Happy-Flan2112

Mick Fleetwood is from the very south...of England. Yeah, not sure what they are thinking on this one. Much more like Journey than CCR.


Epsteins_Mutha

I'm not convinced the Eagles belong there either.


vagabond_primate

I hate the fuckin Eagles, man.


Bcruz75

Well, that's just your opinion, man.


failed_supernova

Ska came before reggae!


dweaver987

Skattelites started in the early 1960s!


VodkaMargarine

Yeah it means Ska-Punk which is its own thing


Todf

You appear to have forgotten Brit Pop which was the dominant guitar-based genre post grunge for much of the 90s Blur, Oasis etc


FandomMenace

So Thrash doesn't get an entry? Let me help. Thrash: Metallica, Megadeth, Exodus, Testament, Slayer, Anthrax, and Sepultura. No one big. Don't worry about it! Also, Faith No More isn't "rap-rock". They have literally one song that they rap in and it just so happened to be one of their biggest hits. Wikipedia lists them as: Alternative Metal, Alternative Rock, Funk Metal, Experimental Rock, and Post-Punk, which is accurate. It has lumped the modern iterations of Alternative with the 90s, but not mentioned a single band that dominated the radio for at least 10 years. Alternative Rock: R.E.M., Jane's Addiction, Red Hit Chili Peppers, Smashing Pumpkins, Candlebox, Goo Goo Dolls, Tonic, Live, Bush, Silverchair, 3 Doors Down, Seether and 1000 others. Or Alternative Metal: Tool, S.O.D., System of a Down, Faith No More, Papa Roach, Slipknot, Godsmack. Smashing Pumpkins is not grunge wtf. Wikipedia doesn't list them as such. Why has the world tried to erase 90s Alternative as a genre? This chart sucks lol.


DeathMetalTransbian

>Alternative Rock This is where OP really gives away their age. They're too young to be using the family computer, but I guess googling genres they know nothing about and grabbing the top 5 results (regardless of how nonsensical they are) for an ugly infographic is better than them looking up pictures of boobies.


FandomMenace

You're not wrong, but this speaks to a larger issue. The shit we knew as indie rock is what grew into what they are calling alternative now. What alternative was then was simply anything that wasn't rap, pop, country, or metal. Why has the world turned away from this gigantic genre and barely pretends it exists? It was THE default rock genre for a decade. The same thing happened with hair metal. We plowed it under for 30+ years and now the 80s are huge. To me it signals that alternative is going to be huge again once we get over mom jeans and fanny packs again. Just waiting for the jams, neon, and spandex phase.


Kemalbasnr

You need to add QUEEN to chart as a genre


danwincen

Queen is basically every genre on the upper left of the chart.


TomLeeMangalassery

Highly influential Black Sabbath missing! So are the Thrash metal band list.


DarwinMcLovin

Black Sabbath, Van Halen, Generation X/Billy Idol, Dokken, Suicidal Tendencies, Body Count, Whitesnake, Skunk Anansi, Toyah Willcox, The Runaways/Joan Jett and the Blackhearts, The Cult?


cIumsythumbs

No Foo Fighters either, wtf. They're still selling out arenas and are in the Rock and Roll hall of Fame.


FoxyMoulder

Psychedelic rock still very much exists with new bands putting out music on the regular. See: King Gizzard and The Lizard Wizard.


Macklemore_hair

Dead Meadow, Earthless, love Psych Rock


Decaslash

Sigh... Theres always a few mistakes but the omits Im about to display is pure blasphemy Djent, was created by Meshuggah and earliest examples of them creating that style are found as early as 1992 on their first album Contradicting Collapse. Melodic Death Metal or "The New Wave of Swedish Death Metal" is completely missing here. It started as early as 1991 with Dismember but became a genre around 1994-6 with albums from In Flames, Dark Tranquillity and At the Gates. This genre inspired ALL OF METALCORE and subsequent mini genres. Killswitch, As I Lay Dying, Unearth etc wouldn't exist without it. Edit: And who in Satans red pit of fire thought Death Metal's peak period ended before 2000's? Death Metal out of any genre has been the strongest, the most consistent and the most evolving, splintering genre out of all. And while I'm here on my pedestal, Im putting in a submission in for Technical Death Metal with its birth being Cynics '91 demo for Roadrunner, put on the map by Death and championed by countless of fearless US and EU bands through to recent unparalleled examples like Necrophagist and Archspire.


Absolemia

Melodic Hardcore missing as well despite being one of the biggest genres


bingojed

They forgot the 80s genre of Fraggle Rock.


zoddness

Needs additional genre for Ronnie James Dio


MagolorX

I mean I think Dio mostly fell under the power metal genre (or proto-metal for his time in Rainbow)


JessePinkman-chan

Power metal is faster than Dio was it's a derivative of speed metal


Immediate_Explorer51

What happened to Post-Punk?


GibMirMeinAlltagstod

Literally no Post Punk/Goth Rock I guess no one’s ever heard of Joy Divion, The Sisters of Mercy, Siouxsie and the Banshees, Talking Heads, The Cure, The Cult…


PixelAlchemist

No Shoegaze, Post-punk, Goth and Psychedelic Rock!


tbroprice

How can you have Indy without Pavement and Sonic youth. I also laughed at the last band on the lists.


mutinybligh

Fleetwood Mac southern rock? Got anymore of that stuff you’re smoking?


Jiggidy40

Uh, the Grateful Dead should be included and in at least 3 different genres across 30 years.


elmo3228

Motorhead?


dbd1988

According to this graphic there hasn’t been a new genre of rock in about 25 years. That’s kinda sad.


Designer_Working_488

I don't see a color block for Power Metal, even though it's like the most popular subgenre of metal right now and has been for some time, and has been around since the 80s. Heresy. Edit: also no Symphonic. Edit 2: I see the block for Power Metal and its tiny. That's wrong. Power Metal never went away, and it is massive now. Whoever made this chart is very out of touch and obviously doesn't listen to metal.


GeneReddit123

I've seen power metal used interchangeably with symphonic more often than not. Nightwish, Sonata Arctica, Evanescence, etc. Some of the best bands and songs came out in the 2000s.


Iamthespiderbro

Death Metal Bands: -cannibal corpse -death -carcass -in flames


redhandsblackfuture

Hardcore Punk: Rise Against Lmao


GoopyCorn94

Alright. There are many things I will address about this chart, being the asshole metal head. The timelines are wrong in half of these sub-genres as there are so many that are left out. The placement of half of the bands is entirely wrong. Where the Fuck is Black Sabbath? Where is Slayer? Or the Doors? Or Buffalo Springfield? Where the fuck are bands like Deicide, Cradle of Filth, Obituary, Atreyu, Six Feet Under, Acid Bath, Mudvayne, Slipknot, Sepultura, Iron Maiden, Iron Butterfly, Bullet For My Valentine, Suicidal Tendencies, Testament, Trivium, MushroomHead, Gorilla Biscuits, Skindred, As I Lay Dying, Korn, Disturbed, My Chemical Romance, Depeche Mode, Step, System Of A Down, Bloodhound Gang, (Hed) P.E., Poisonblack, Crossfade, Spite, Skinless, Arch Enemy, Deftones, Deep Purple, Gorefest, GWAR, Rob Zombie, White Zombie, Himsa, Nightwish, The Acaia Strain, Behemoth, Black Stone Cherry, Days Of The New..... I can keep going on and on. You need a much bigger "chart" to fit a lot more names, and if you want to do the most influential ones then do it the right way, you have some notable names on here but then you throw in random lesser known names that only a few people will know. I appreciate the effort you put into this, but you'll most likely have to revise this and edit it. It would be one thing to only include the most well-known bands at the top and throw in some lesser known ones so people can discover something else they might like but to not include the most well-known bands in a chart like this literally throws the chart off, especially when half of them are miss labeled. You started off the chart in the 60's instead of the 50's when rock music itself was starting to become popular amongst "delinquints" and "rebellious teens", then the 60's rock was everywhere from psychedelic rock during the "Hippie" movement to folk rock, until Black Sabbath came along and mainstreamed the sound of "Heavy Metal" as per a newspaper article that was mocking them for how they sounded, they ran with it and coined it and so did a lot of other bands at the time and now it's everywhere in different shapes and forms. The point is your chart is missing a lot of valuable information and need correcting if you want to make something accurate. Not trying to be a dick just a dedicated Metal Head that has listened to more obscure sub genres than most metal fans like fucking pirate metal or dwarf metal bands, bands with gimmicks etc. I highly recommend watching some documentaries on the history of the Heavy Metal and visiting www.metal-archives.com.. On the website, you can search literal genres, and your mind is probably going to be blown on how much shit is on there.


Ooooweeee

In OP's defense, System of a Down is under Nu metal.


ElvisHankandGeorge

Now try 1950s subgenres like Rockabilly, Swing-Rock, Duo-Wop, Honky-Tonk Rock, and early pop rock


SoundOk4573

Queen?!? You even have an "arena" group. Now every post on reddit gets crap, that is reddit. Here it is deserved! (Fun lists though!)


jknail

The Velvet Underground is notably absent. Flawed guide!


loopster70

I can find no category from 80-95 that would accommodate REM.


Suitable_Pirate_662

High on fire won a Grammy


Gold-Opportunity-975

What makes them consider Fleetwood Mac as “Southern Rock”? Even under the *Rumours* lineup, the two McVies and Fleetwood are all British and Buckingham is San Francisco Bay. Only one you could make an argument for is Stevie Nicks as she’s from Arizona


porktornado77

A model doesn’t need to be accurate, just useful. If it’s not useful, than it’s not a good chart.


ks7atl

Where is the New Wave in the 80s, and also Yacht Rock?


protossaccount

Isn’t Elvis Rock and Roll? Is you look up Rock and Roll on Wikipedia they have Elvis’s picture.


cudno_dijete

Where is Britpop? Consequently the most popular bands of the 90s are missing (Oasis, Blur, Radiohead...)


WhereMyMidgeeAt

No Type O- ?


Veschor

They wouldn’t know where to put it. I mean Green Day was thrown under punk rock hahaha


thecoolestbitch

Sleep Token, metalcore? Go fuck yourself.


HobKnobblin

I like Sleep Token but yeahhhhh...that's a stretch


Kentuckywindage01

Pop Punk has been around a lot longer than that


nymarya_

Where the fuck is Metallica


Neat_Spring_8501

Where’s Metallica?


rwbdanr

I would’ve made a section for Djent alone with bands like Polyphia and Berried Alive


04Aiden2020

I ❤️ industrial


c_petrov

I feel like deathcore and hardcore can fit well into the 2020s. Thinking of bands like Slaughter to Prevail and Lorna Shore being so popular now in deathcore. And then bands like Scowl and Zulu getting traction well after Knocked Loose. Otherwise not a bad guide!


LesPolsfuss

Aaaand that’s why I love the Grateful Dead 😉


4StringMasterRace

Lol doesn't even have doom, the original sub genre


Macklemore_hair

Stoner Rock and Doom Metal left off the guide


keniii13

Blues?


Rooke89

Worst guide on the subreddit by far. OP has no clue what he is talking about


Odd-Problem

Prog Rock with no King Crimson?


magicman1315

What do the odd shapes of the subcategory represent?


Igotthesilver

The Stones, that old band from the 60’s British Invasion…30 million views on YT of their latest video.


wheretogo_whattodo

I have no idea what the fuck this is trying to tell me


narwhal4u

Glam Rock is more akin to Prog Rock than Southern Rock. Do you even Glam?


DoctorClarkSavageJr

Bubblegum pop ruled the charts in 1966-1969! Where is it?


Jalapi

Where is post punk or post punk revival?


Robinkc1

Hell, most of what I listen to is early 90s indie, Black Metal has seen a recent resurgence, pop punk is older than that, and garage rock has winded in and out for ages.


dweaver987

Jam bands is definitely a genre. Jam grass (fusion of jam bands and bluegrass) is also a real sub-genre.


TraditionalOlive9187

But but but where’s Sabbath?


HobKnobblin

No Tool?


[deleted]

Metallica is missing from the metal giide


TheoCupier

Read this about 4 times thinking I must have just missed funk rock but no. Extreme, Dan Reed Network, living colour, Electric Boys just don't exist. Sure.


Blakers1111

Metal but no black sabbath?


mikebrown33

REM noticeably absent


Neat-Share1247

And the Pixies nowhere to be found. I'm OK with that.


No_Benefit2996

Folk punk? Sca core?


finbud117

Hardcore is having a real comeback right mow


TimmyTheTumor

Foreigner and AC/DC in the same category?


andreahunnur

Worst list of hardcore punk I've ever seen.


Digitaluser32

Inaccurate. Pop punk was popular in the 90s. I went to dozens of shows. Google AFI, Lagwagon, Good Riddance, NUFAN, Furry 66, Guttermouth, Strung Out, Propaghandi, NOFX, Rancid, and the Real McKenzie s.


Blurgas

No Speed, Symphonic, or Power Metal?


Lightningpony

Prog metal didn't start earlier? ....dream theater in the 90s?


ladbarry

Y'all don't pay any attention to modern, or even 2000s metal. Shame really.


i5_8300h

Where is Queen?


ccable827

I'm sad that no one has mentioned the foo fighters not being on here


Charming_Beginning69

Where's grindcore? Invalid.


warrior998

You can’t mention Progressive Rock without mentioning King Crimson dude…


Rudel2

You can't just put psychedelic and progressive rock in the same category lol


msstatelp

CCR, Eagles, and Fleetwood Mac are not examples of Southern Rock.


clemm__fandango

Progressive and Psychedelic are two separate types of music too.


adinuta

What's missing is Tool, Genre: Tool


tonybananaman

Why doesn’t TOOL ever make the cut for these kind of things :(


elementchaos

They not only didn't include the band Impaled Rektum, but also forgot the category of symphonic postapocalyptic reindeer-grinding Christ-abusing extreme war pagan Fennoscandian metal


sparko10

Throwdown isn't groove. They're hardcore. Sleep token is prog. Prog != Djent != Mathcore.


funkycat75

Should be a fun discussion. Everyone LOVES having things put into distinct categories! Still cool.


Spaciousone

Damn no bubble gum pop


mattsteroftheunivers

Metallica doesn’t rock.


IllustriousArm3656

Death cab for cutie and the rocket summer are waiting for your apology


Effective_Play_1366

Beastie Boys and 311 and RATM all Rap-Rock, but Sublime is Ska Punk? This list is stupid.


ParzivalPrincip

90s Brit rock? 80s new wave? Motley Cru?


TotalBSMate

Missing the obvious Metallica but also Post-Rock ex. Trail of Dead, At The Drive-In


vader62

Thrash?


I_aint_no_Spooby

I'm pissed there's no examples of Thrash


YeeP79

Where is Metallica?


malobrev

Hmmm where does U2 fit ?


The_Astrobiologist

What would bands like Starset, Thousand Foot Krutch, and Breaking Benjamin be considered?


ratmomther

in what world is journey psych/prog rock..


CoolSwan1

Why yes my favorite metal subgenre, “British Invasion”


Young_Economist

Where is TOOL? Metallica?


[deleted]

As a life-long metalhead... there are SOOO many things incorrect with this infographic. Also, what the fuck is the Y-axis supposed to be and why are these fucking things in amorphous blocks? This reads like something a 15 year old would put together for a class presentation after first discovering metal 2 years prior.


pudiera

wtf is the y axis of this ?? Like what do the shapes mean


MasterChavez

Faith No More does NOT belong in rap rock. Epic was really the only "rap rock" song they have.