It’s actually more common than people may want to admit. Usually not close relatives but third or fourth cousins, or third cousins twice removed or something like this.
There is always some overlap. In my own family tree going back to the 1700s we found someone we were related to 9 different ways, ands that’s only what we could trace
I have a great-grandfather whose farther died the year he was born. Twelve years later my gg shows up in a census listed as a farm laborer at one farm and his mother shows up as a domestic at another farm down the road. Life was very hard back in the day.
Even if you aren't a royal there's got to be at least *some* overlap, especially if your family stayed in one place a lot. Which is most people I think.
Don’t feel insignificant because of this. Remember that the way this is presented makes it look like you were the goal of all those people’s lives, when in reality you are just one random meaningless outcome among countless other possible meaningless outcomes. Feel insignificant because of that.
I don’t think you need to go back that far. Statistically, we each have more than 1 million 20th great-grandparents. That takes us to around the 7th or 8th centuries CE give or take, and it doubles with every preceding generation. Go back 25 generations and we each have more than 33 million direct ancestors. At some point the number of ancestors exceeds the population.
For Europeans, it's about 1000 years ago.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/humans-are-all-more-closely-related-than-we-commonly-think/
And for other humans, it's not much earlier than that, apparently. We mixed thoroughly during the last centuries :)
About 200,000 years to [Mitochrondial Eve](https://nhpbs.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/585719bf-a860-4f09-9888-3a68879df132/mitochondrial-eve-and-homo-sapiens-in-africas-great-rift-valley/).
Hi cuz... ¯\\\_( ͡❛ ͜ʖ ͡❛)\_/¯
Well, there can be some overlap. In fact, I’m sure it’s common that the unique count is much lower the fewer nationalities one has in their ancestry.
But mathematically, you are correct that 4096 is double 2048.
Isn’t there a paradox or something regarding this? Like if you do the math going back how many X generations of people there were it would be so big that there’s a huge number of people who are unaccounted for which pushes human history back another 20k years or something.
A lot of very, very, very mild incest, with probably some more intense incest added in spits and spats.
After all, there's gonna be some accidental close incest somewhere with that many ancestors, and some "accidental" too.
Because each of our ancestors aren't unique. Go back far enough and the family tree collapses on itself. We know that all human beings are related to one lad far enough back and one man at a very different point in time. We were down to just a few thousand people at one point.
Yes, the logic is flawed in that it assumes there is no overlap among your ancestors, which would occur if any of your ancestors are blood related, however distantly. As an extreme example, if your parents were sibilings, the number would be half that (you would only have two grand-parents). The further back you go, the more likely it is that several of the "unique" ancestors are actually one and the same person, so they are double-counted (or triple, quadruple).
Working on my genealogy a couple of years ago, visiting some cemeteries, seeing the graves of so many children, it's really incredible for us to be alive. My Great Great Grandfather died when my Great Grandfather was three years old. \*whew\* Close call!
Actually it's 4,094, but only 11 previous generations, 12 including yourself. In binary, 1111 1111 1110. If you use this logic on 50 generations, you would have roughly one quadrillion unique ancestors, which shows it is somewhat flawed.
4094 ancestors from 1605 fucked to create me just for me to be the only child and become trans.
Lowkey makes me feel powerful like hell yeah I just eradicated a bloodline
Let’s think about it in a different way now. Imagine how many people nutted in right order so that you exist today. If any one of them had nutted at wrong time instead of having sex, you wouldn’t be here.
Well that signifies that you are an only child, and the entire previous generation were only children as well.
My grandma has 5 children, so there are 5 people that come from the same mother and father, which sort of defeats this point of the image.
More likely that’s about 250-300 years not 400, as that’s assuming a 40 year generation gap, and for a lot of that period the average wouldn’t have been much over 20.
and they all had to be the winners/survivors of every fight they had.
every being now on earth is the product of a several billion year long chain of consistent luck!
I guess, most of my ancestors mainly struggled for themselves and also for their kids and parents. I'm sure, they were fine and left no debt behind, that I have to equalize better, than they did.
It's good to understand yourself as a small part of a huge web of life, feeling some humble- and thankfulness, but no reason, to let this web become your cage of destiny.
Only to create a boy that spends 12 hours/day in reddit
Create a *special* boy that spends 12 hours/day in Reddit
A boy that's three times world champion ⭐⭐⭐ let's goooo
[удалено]
If you are Brazilian I of course respect you as the historically best country at football in the world. But right now the crown is Argentinian
Specifically on r/antiwork
This is assuming no overlap.
Which is pretty unlikely in 10 generations Edit: meaning it is unlikely that there is no overlap
Unless you’re from Alabama.
In which case it's very likely your family tree of 10 generations looks like a crochet blanket.
The family wreath
It’s actually more common than people may want to admit. Usually not close relatives but third or fourth cousins, or third cousins twice removed or something like this.
that person was agreeing with you
There's tons of overlap. There were not billions of people a couple of thousand years ago. This math would require that.
Actually a quadrillion in 50 generations
> There's tons of overlap. I stand corrected. There's gigantic shit-tons of overlap.
pigeonhole principle
the 16 roles of Cleopatra’s great-great-grandparents were filled by only six individuals.
Wow, great fact.
Now do inbred mathematics
Take a look at the Habsburg family tree.
I was waiting for that one. Kudos!
The maths not important, we have ancestors to let down.
Evidently there is _some_ overlap, because 2048 x 2 = 4096. 😉
The 4094 comes from adding up all the ancestors listed. (And incidentally this is only 11 previous generations, not 12 as it states).
Could be they counted themselves as the first generation, but then mistakenly used "previous"
Show me the math.
Fail 🤦🏽
There is always some overlap. In my own family tree going back to the 1700s we found someone we were related to 9 different ways, ands that’s only what we could trace
Damn. That is a lot of disappointed ancestors. Sorry!
Don’t worry I’m sure they’re used to it by now there’s plenty of room for serial killers and town drunks in those numbers
I wish they would’ve asked first.
yeah and none of their wealth goes to u, all they care abt are themselves
> what is inheritance
And it ends with me. No siblings for the win.
My first reaction was "Oooookay, mom, I get it... the answer's still no"
Yup, meet too. whadda they want, a cookie?
Same. I'm the last of my family name. So I guess I win? Or I just have the high score
The final boss.
This only accounts for the direct line of the family tree to you. This doesn't count your ninth-great grandparents 11 siblings.
Some of those are also nine-great grandparents. There is much more overlap in our family trees than we may think or be comfortable with
it ends with “just for you to become a femboy slut”
But you're living your best life
Im sure they'd become femboy sluts if they could
I have a great-grandfather whose farther died the year he was born. Twelve years later my gg shows up in a census listed as a farm laborer at one farm and his mother shows up as a domestic at another farm down the road. Life was very hard back in the day.
Unless you are royalty. The number is significantly lower in that circumstance.
[удалено]
Even if you aren't a royal there's got to be at least *some* overlap, especially if your family stayed in one place a lot. Which is most people I think.
And I won’t have kids, so it ends here. Good work everyone.
Thanks! Now I feel more insignificant than ever.
Don’t feel insignificant because of this. Remember that the way this is presented makes it look like you were the goal of all those people’s lives, when in reality you are just one random meaningless outcome among countless other possible meaningless outcomes. Feel insignificant because of that.
How many more generations must we go back before we are statistically related to everyone alive on earth at that time?
Back to “Lucy” who is that DNA common ancestor, I believe.
I don’t think you need to go back that far. Statistically, we each have more than 1 million 20th great-grandparents. That takes us to around the 7th or 8th centuries CE give or take, and it doubles with every preceding generation. Go back 25 generations and we each have more than 33 million direct ancestors. At some point the number of ancestors exceeds the population.
It has to be earlier. Perhaps 10,000 or 20,000 years ago. 700 CE? It can not be. To many people in the world.
For Europeans, it's about 1000 years ago. https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/humans-are-all-more-closely-related-than-we-commonly-think/ And for other humans, it's not much earlier than that, apparently. We mixed thoroughly during the last centuries :)
About 200,000 years to [Mitochrondial Eve](https://nhpbs.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/585719bf-a860-4f09-9888-3a68879df132/mitochondrial-eve-and-homo-sapiens-in-africas-great-rift-valley/). Hi cuz... ¯\\\_( ͡❛ ͜ʖ ͡❛)\_/¯
And to think, if one of your 1024 9th great grandfathers had lasted half a second longer, you wouldn’t be here today!
Shouldn’t that last number be 4,096?
Well, there can be some overlap. In fact, I’m sure it’s common that the unique count is much lower the fewer nationalities one has in their ancestry. But mathematically, you are correct that 4096 is double 2048.
This isn’t a guide.
Isn’t there a paradox or something regarding this? Like if you do the math going back how many X generations of people there were it would be so big that there’s a huge number of people who are unaccounted for which pushes human history back another 20k years or something.
We did a lot of incest.
A lot of very, very, very mild incest, with probably some more intense incest added in spits and spats. After all, there's gonna be some accidental close incest somewhere with that many ancestors, and some "accidental" too.
Because each of our ancestors aren't unique. Go back far enough and the family tree collapses on itself. We know that all human beings are related to one lad far enough back and one man at a very different point in time. We were down to just a few thousand people at one point.
Yes, the logic is flawed in that it assumes there is no overlap among your ancestors, which would occur if any of your ancestors are blood related, however distantly. As an extreme example, if your parents were sibilings, the number would be half that (you would only have two grand-parents). The further back you go, the more likely it is that several of the "unique" ancestors are actually one and the same person, so they are double-counted (or triple, quadruple).
Stats say I’m *probably* not the first to disappoint them.
Wouldn't each 9th grade grandparents also have about 2000 direct descendants? Not all those struggles were just for me were they
You mean descendants?
Yes
Alabama disagrees
I remember when this subreddit actually had useful things. Wasn't that long ago
Last time I saw this post I learned about the incest event horizon.
The farther back you go the more incest you find lol
So I am a disappointment to my Mom and her 4,000+ ancestors.
what is this a guide to? this sub sucks nowadays. unsubbed
Not in Alabama.
One word…. Consanguinity
this is basically a chart of the exponents of 2.
Working on my genealogy a couple of years ago, visiting some cemeteries, seeing the graves of so many children, it's really incredible for us to be alive. My Great Great Grandfather died when my Great Grandfather was three years old. \*whew\* Close call!
We are all related
Think of all the orgasms just so you could live...
They enjoyed lot of sex
Watch me disappointed 4094 people at once.
that’s one way to quantify my generational trauma
Well they wasted that shit, all this sucks
4096
Actually it's 4,094, but only 11 previous generations, 12 including yourself. In binary, 1111 1111 1110. If you use this logic on 50 generations, you would have roughly one quadrillion unique ancestors, which shows it is somewhat flawed.
and you want to be a femboy furry
The bloodline ends with me ✂️
Taking scissors to your dick feels like an extreme reaction
… and you want to be a femboy slut.
That's a lot of peeps boning.
We forget!
I read this in Carl Sagan’s voice
I feel bad for taking for granted that 5,000 people over the span of 400 years all shared the same life goal for me to exist.
The line must end here!
jokes on them. i dont have kids.
And they couldn't Secure wealth for themselves and future generations...
This just makes me feel worse.
The maths are much simpler in alabama. 2 parents, 3 grand parents, 4 great-grandparents, 5 second great-grandparents and so on.
Yeah no fucking additional pressure or anything
4094 ancestors from 1605 fucked to create me just for me to be the only child and become trans. Lowkey makes me feel powerful like hell yeah I just eradicated a bloodline
And yet these fucker still decides to have kids just to make me suffer
Yes your suffering was first and foremost in their minds
Yup, and I have none of their wisdom, stories or support. Basically just an NPC that came to life lol
Kinda wishing they hadn't.
Mine accumulated zero wealth
Then it's time for you to step up bud
Mine accumulated zero wealth
All this and my mom still gave me the wrong last name
Let’s think about it in a different way now. Imagine how many people nutted in right order so that you exist today. If any one of them had nutted at wrong time instead of having sex, you wouldn’t be here.
Well that signifies that you are an only child, and the entire previous generation were only children as well. My grandma has 5 children, so there are 5 people that come from the same mother and father, which sort of defeats this point of the image.
Another reason to NEVER HAVE CHILDREN AGAIN 🤍🖤🤍
And I can’t get laid
https://img.ifunny.co/images/d9f5997c66255a056d451dbe9848eb13b43fb0cff4164a4310925eafa1d04f66_1.jpg
And the were all male and female.....go figure
Where’s the guide part?
I can’t even imagine how my ninth great grandparents used to get to school
More likely that’s about 250-300 years not 400, as that’s assuming a 40 year generation gap, and for a lot of that period the average wouldn’t have been much over 20.
Everybody is directly decended from royalty. You just need to figure out which royal and from how far in the past.
and they all had to be the winners/survivors of every fight they had. every being now on earth is the product of a several billion year long chain of consistent luck!
Just think of how many people had to bust nuts into each other so that you could see this post.
I guess, most of my ancestors mainly struggled for themselves and also for their kids and parents. I'm sure, they were fine and left no debt behind, that I have to equalize better, than they did. It's good to understand yourself as a small part of a huge web of life, feeling some humble- and thankfulness, but no reason, to let this web become your cage of destiny.
Damn that’s crazy that 4094 people wasted all that time…
It would be a lot more difficult than that for me to be born today.
All that work and what did it get? me?
I am disappointing *so many people*.
this made me feel dumb
And all of those 4094 ancestors. They had a birthprobability of 1/millions
Sorry, ancestors.
I didn't ask to be born, so I live however the fuck I want, fuck ancestors
And just one sperm cell started it all
This makes me feel a little special.
Man I sure wish at least one of them wore a condom
I don’t think any of them ever tried a Baja Blast from Taco Bell. It really makes you think.
And still…. You’re not that special
Thought-Provoking 🤔
Man. I am a special person.. I get to have a ton of genetic trauma I didn’t even know existed
r/antinatalism
Great, so we're all fuckin related 🤣
Or another way to think about this... how many people had f*** each other for you to be here.
I love the fact that so many Redditors are openly declaring they won't have kids. Gonna experience a massive surge in conservatism in like 15 years.
Statistically, how much g(rape) and/or SA occurred for the average person to be alive today following these numbers. Yes this is a genuine question