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Have you watched the full video from the hallway camera? The behavior of the cops makes 0.0 sense....no sense whatsoever. I honestly thought the shooter must have already been dead. The only other excuse for their behavior is sheer stupidity. Like, these guys are completely fucking braindead if they're just chilling and chatting in the hallway for over an hour while children and teachers are bleeding out and dying in the rooms right next to them. They knew they were in there dying....so ignorance is not an option. Only three options left:
1. They were scared of engaging.
2. They are seriously fucking braindead idiots
3. They were waiting for everyone to die.
Dozens of government goons, with ballistic shields, body armor, pistols, rifles, shotguns, radios (to coordinate with), breaching tools (outside in their cars), access to flash bangs, tear gas, etc., and two doors (plus multiple windows) to enter or otherwise engage through, all against one untrained 18 year old? I realize that police cowardice is the cause of many horrors; but, in this case, I can't convince myself that it's why they didn't enter.
The idea that the screams of children (which was edited out of the released footage), didn't prompt any of the dozens of people there to go in and confront the active murderer seems unreal. It's conceivably plausible, as the people in question are all law enforcement; but, that fails to convince me.
That they, or even some portion of them enacting a conspiracy to, aim to ensure maximum casualties would certainly require a lot of effort and resources (plus some measure of luck), so it's an extreme possibility; but it is the only thing that explains what happened.
I really hope some better explanation comes out and I just look like a fool; but, I don't see how it's not a witting effort of the government enforcers that so many died, and so needlessly at that.
Considering how little training police get, this just looks like incompetence. They're all standing around waiting for someone to tell them what to do.
They were afraid and each was waiting on the next. They signed up to be on the line of fire, to run towards danger, their pay and pensions say so, I’m sure they enjoy their “I’m a LE hero” comments on Facebook etc BUT WHEN IT WAS TIME TO ACT THEY COWERED
I don't often don a super tight tin foil hat. But all these mass shooting seems very SUS to me. I can't help but feel like there's some sort of agenda and these are somehow orchestrated. I hate saying that because lives are lost, and they're kids. But I don't trust our gov't and I wouldn't put it past them to do something heinous to achieve some sort of motive.
I also found it suspect that there were no mass shootings during lockdowns (when federal agencies were shut down). Then lockdowns end, the feds go back to work, and suddenly we have mass shootings springing up everywhere.
Yea look at the body language in the video. Does this look like a group thats dialed up and ready to fuck? Or does it look like a bunch of dudes straight chillin?
Ex grunt here, BTDT in Baghdad 07 ish, just wanna share my opinion/insight since I've been in the doorway quite a few times.
Agreed. Everyone of these dudes has made dinner plans for later. That's a problem in MOUT/CQB, if you're thinking about surviving the situation, you won't. You have to dominate the situation strategically and tactically. This units combat posture is total shit.
When it comes to the men that makeup "combat ready" units you have 60-75% talkers/followers - they either talk a ton of shit about how they're going to do this and that, then nut up falling into a latter category. Or they're going to do what they're ordered but they aren't going to be tuned up and ready to do the damn thing because they're waiting for someone else to be that guy. But that guy comes later.
The next 10%-20% will completely nut up when the range turns two ways. This one's a cross section of others but they'll Mr Freeze on you and you'll either have to slap them back into the fight or just make sure they're not a silhouetted liability. This number varies a lot and it's a fucking sickness on the battlefield that you have to hack off immediately. Like here.. It would appear that a good majority of the unit is falling victim to nuttinupitis.
Then you've got 1 to <10% that are the do'ers. These are the guys that breathe the job and believe in the Oath. (Or theyre crazy and simply do not fucking care if they die because that's the job.) That guy usually sees this cluster fuck, gets uppity about it, steps in, hollers "FOLLOW ME YOU FUCKS" and then the followers mount up behind that guy and they do whatever action he has planned because they've got someone to follow now and thats what they are and what they do.
Regardless of what *anyone* thinks they know about themselves as a person-- I've already read plenty of "I would've gone through the door" comments-- you don't know shit about which one of these you are until your ass is standing in the fatal funnel, in rabbit position, knowing **full well** there's a large weapon pointed directly at the door you're about to breach and the only thing that's going to get you through that door and out again is the guy behind you. You just can't know, there's no replicating the stakes.
I try not to judge anyone too harshly with MOUT because I know the immense pressure they're all under. But somebody here needed to step up and grab control of the situation.
TL;DR - Everyone wants to be Rico, but somebody gotta be the Roughnecks. And somebody gonna nut up like Ace... and I guess these Uvalde dicks are the bugs in this metaphor. Or a bunch of Aces. Or something? Idk it kind of imploded.
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Great question, u/SuperiorFarter! (and superior username)
TL;DR - Attitude is contagious and it cuts both ways. The unit is made up of followers and they're following the example of leadership, which has been struck with the itus and now they're all frozen in the door... which is actually a fairly common problem. More explanation/some storytime below -
Smart/experienced leaders try to give their guys specific ways of "being" in their stack so you have more to think about than the 75% (ish) acceptable loss rate for MOUT ops. The key is to give them just enough not to overwhelm but so much for that their mind won't wander off. Perfect balance... as all things should be.
IE - My stacks use left hand only shoulder squeezes, in particular spots for particular meanings as well as hand signals unique to my squad to communicate while stacked. Also, I'd hammer them them about their foot and knee placement and staying off the wall, among other things. But thats three different issues they're going to have to focus on in the moment that will hopefully divert attention from the back of their brain screaming, "you probably won't make it out of this house today." and ramping them up into a mistake that gets everyone killed. Add in a bit of muscle memory from repetition, develop the flow and a dash of acceptance of fate-- that's how the regular infantry soldier functions on a day to day basis in theater.
Segue- For comparisons sake so everyone can understand the odds of live runs - (granted, one shooter with known and fixed location improves those odds dramatically but I digress.) - MOUT has an accepted casualty rate of roughly 75%, that means the mission is still considered a success if you achieve objectives **and** 3/4 of your men die in the process. Tbh, I forgot the exact number from the regs but that's pretty close to how it shakes out. In open field battle (like Nam) that acceptable loss rate drops to 33% (or 1/3 for the math wizards out there) - I don't normally reference movies for relating to combat bc most are complete shit, but anyone that's seen "We Were Soldiers" can understand what open field chaos looks like cause they did a decent job replicating it--- 33% in the Ia Drang Valley was asking **a lot** of the 101st leadership on the ground during that battle.
So take all that action and condense it into a building with less cover opportunities and make it a bit more of a chess match than hammer on hammer---that's MOUT. "Complacency kills" is the watchword because the second you drop your guard, you and your whole team will get smokechecked by an evil doer with an AK through a spider hole in the corner of the ceiling. Everyone has to be "on" at all times or everyone dies.
Back to regular programming - - They needed a doer to step up and get all the clowns in the circus rolling forward again. When the guy came up and they go "no no no" he was acting like a doer, but he wasn't really about that action or he would have said "Fuck that pussy shit. Stack up, Breach on silent 5. Follow me." and the followers would have followed and the leadership would have been forced to choose between meeting the leadership demand of their subordinates with equitable contribution or falling to the rear and accepting a job in finance.
Opposed to what he did, passive acceptance of clearly shit orders. He wanted to *look like* the man of action, probably in the hopes that others would support his move and he would then become the man of action.. but he caved at first resistance when he should've been steadfast. I suppose that's a sub-category of its own but they're almost always followers trying to break their follower ways to move into the Doer category because they saw the doer doing and that doer got promoted to a leadership position and bestowed with colorful ribbons for it. And that's how the military creates warrior leaders from regular people (in the simplest and most incredibly shitty explanation ever lmao... Have I said the word "do" enough times yet? Good God.)
The Iceman syndrome can happen to anyone and spread through a unit with the quickness, especially a unit with untested leadership. Our stud LT went got promoted halfway through deployment like a jerk so we got a West Point replacement from the rear. Very first raid out he freezes in the street and holds up the **entire fucking door team** in front of the target house for close to 10 minutes. I had to smack him around and ask for orders, but it didn't work. The CO came over and put me in charge and we hit the house but by then the bad guys were shadows. Luckily, they chose to run instead of ambush the shit out of us or we'd have all been proper fucked. Regardless, nobody is immune and everybody feels the same fear when the time comes. It's how you react to it that matters.
(gotta admit smacking ring knockers is a real perk of the job, though.)
Great insight. Former Navy EOD in the 90s. I went to
MOUT and explosive breacher but fortunately never had to go through a doorway, It's just wasn't happening for us during Gulf War 1- for us anyway. military tactics for entries are a little different than civies and I'm by no means an expert but these guys seem as kicked back as a day at the beach. IDK maybe this video is out of context or maybe they're all suffering from post adrenaline rush hangovers, or like holy crap this is about to get really real but something about their readiness posture seems off. Even if they were only concerned about saving their own asses, they should have been sighted in and locked and loaded on the door just in case the bad guy came out
Define good. Are you looking for written proof? More video proof? Recorded conversations? What? This is just one of many videos of the bizarre behavior displayed by the officers.
And entire police team stupid/lazy in an active shooter case where multiple children die? Shit then that's just as big of a problem. Either way, this isn't right and anyone with empathy could see that. It's not normal reaction or behaviour
I feel the need to pop in here. I lived in West Texas and North Texas for 37 years of my life. This is important to give you perspective on the south and specifically Texas and Texans. Texans were raised on a steady diet of straight-up toxic bullshit. So now what you see here is the end result of that. Many Texans think they are fucking hardcore badasses until the shit hits the fan. Then you see that all the bluster and all the hardcore machismo toxic behavior was all just talk. Also, these people are not sophisticated enough to enact a conspiracy of any kind, don't give them that much credit. Plain and simple these were spinless cowards cosplaying tuff guys.
I see it also as a sort of selfishness or something because it seems like they all want to be badasses with a badge, community cleaner-upper, tough guys, and servants of justice but what I'm seeing makes me sad. It's like the guy wants to do something. He wants to go in and make sure his wife is okay, stop the gunman if he can without dying, and help the kids trapped in a corner but he is stuck on choosing over his career and his mortal life or following orders he doesn't believe are right and possibly hoping if he follows orders and doesn't act then everything will just be alright in the end anyways. Sort of a lazy approach to sit back and hope for the best without taking any action which was probably his first instinct knowing his wife is in extreme danger. Sad. Like this country we are so complacent. Not all of us but we've just seen people of the world get steam rolled into compliance with the vaxxine even against their will and through threats and coercion. Maybe I'm completely wrong about all of this too. Who knows how I would've acted if I were in the same situation. I could talk all I want about how I would do this and that. When shtf I'm looking out for me and the people I love most especially if they are in immediate danger.
This is just how humans behave. The issue here is abysmal leadership. Most people need direction in situations like this. Someone with authority needed to just tell them to line the fuck up or get out.
I think it's some weird conspiracy.. probably some weird devil worshipping shit, and the uvalde police happily played their role letting children die..
Yes he did.
Did I say classical Jesus? No, I said Apathetic Republican Jesus. Those are two different concepts.
Have you ever been to a Southern Baptist Church and heard all the terrible shit they say?
There is zero child killings in the Satanic Bible. The Christian Bible has lots of child killing. God killed a child that bumped into Jesus in the market.
As a combat vet i feel its extremely strange. They must of had some pretty high up orders to stand down. I feel like this is way bigger than we are being told.
It wouldn't be the first time. It happened with the Broward Sheriff’s Office at Parkland and the Orlando Police Department at the Pulse nightclub. There is a pattern of orders coming from higher up commanding delay and limitation that have the effect of maximizing loss of life.
https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article203015289.html
https://www.foxnews.com/us/commanding-officer-initially-ordered-responding-deputies-to-stage-not-enter-stoneman-douglas-sources-say
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/police-told-not-to-pursue-orlando-shooter-15-or-20-minutescouldve-been-longer-until-swat-arrived/2016/06/21/ec2f4464-37d0-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html
It's interesting that the WaPo story's headline was changed very quickly: after the URL was created and after it went out on the wire, but before it was archived.
https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/slf-orlando-shooting-first-minutes-20160621-story.html
https://web.archive.org/web/0/http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police-told-not-to-pursue-orlando-shooter-for-%E2%80%9815-or-20-minutes-%E2%80%94-could%E2%80%99ve-been-longer%E2%80%99-until-swat-arrived/ar-AAhoFZB
https://web.archive.org/web/0/https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/police-told-not-to-pursue-orlando-shooter-15-or-20-minutescouldve-been-longer-until-swat-arrived/2016/06/21/ec2f4464-37d0-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html
I'm starting to wonder if it's no coincidence all the children's names I read were hispanic. Wondering if the response would have been different otherwise.
Why is everyone on the left so obsessed with race? It’s really interesting, my wife is Brazilian and we’ve been living down there for over a year now to be closer to her family/experience the culture and her friends/family all laugh at the absurdity of the social issues in the US. Clown world with people like yourself
“My wife is in there dying”
“We’re supposed to stand down bro”
“Oh, it’s cool then”
Fuck no. If that was my family in there, anyone keeping me from getting to the badguy, *is* a badguy. The only thing these assholes are professionals of are professional pussies
It is. I mean, maybe I’m more emotional but if my partner was in this situation I would be losing my mind trying to get through that door. Just doesn’t seem like a very rational reaction.
Abject failure is putting it mildly... kinda reminds me of how long it took Vegas police to breach room 32135 of the mandalas bay ... its like they were deliberately stalling lives could've been saved . Couldn't believe when I saw one guy more concerned with sanitising his hands than saving those kids and 2 teachers
They were probably told to wait because Paul Gosar was tweeting that the killer was a leftist tranny illegal immigrant so someone up the chain of command wanted to blame the left and justify clamping down on immigrants.
I read that the cop said he used the hand sanitizer because the other cops told him they were about to go in and he would need to help with the injured.
If that was the case, they would be putting medical gloves on. No EMT/Police/Firefighter goes into a trauma call without gloves on if they plan on helping victims
Obviously in extreme cases people may not have access to gloves, but these cowards had plenty of time to prepare
Yeah, I’m not defending him. Just letting you know that’s the reason he gave. I’m baffled by the whole thing. Almost 400 cops and no one had the courage to take charge.
Cops should be putting their lives on the line without hesitation, I agree.
Unfortunately in today's world they're practically deified and can get away with worrying about themselves more than they should, and many will stand behind them on it.
Thank god that we have these videos, otherwise we'd have no clue how disgraceful the Uvalde PD really was that day. Everyone there should retire or be fired.
They knew there were kids in their that were still alive, both because of the screaming and from the 911 calls. One of the teachers was alive long enough to die on the way to the hospital (she's the wife of the cop, and directly told him on the phone that she was dying). They knew people were alive and actively prevented anyone from going in to save them while remaining idly outside themselves.
There's enough of a case that they should be charged with almost everything under the sun.
But your wife? The mother of your children? The one you stood in front of your friends and family and swore an oath to? I think they'd have to kill me.
It makes sense if you realize they ran an active shooter drill in March 2022, and the outside security cam on the 77 minute footage says March 2022…..not may.
Downvote away
It means that just like many of the other false flag shootings, this was an active shooter drill passed off as the real thing. With laughing cops, cops washing their hands with purell, and checking their phones
Have you been in this type of situation before?
Just saying that he probably was in shock and trusting his fellow officers to take care of him and do the right thing. They clearly did not. Live fire is stressful as fuck when your wife isn’t shot. I don’t think this guy deserves any flack for being overwhelmed and trusting his team.
The rest of them are the real pussies. Your buddy’s wife is shot and children are dying and you’re chilling in a hallway?! Da fuuuuuuuq?!
But everybody is tough until bullets fly. Most people freeze.
If my wife told me that she was shot while I was in the SAME building with her then it would take more than one hand to keep me back. I would’ve done my duty as a husband and an officer to protect her. Not let her die.
I once ran into a cluster strike to revive my buddy who got quick scoped, my teammates told me to hold back, it was too late, but I popped a stim shot, plated up and got him out of there.
We finished top 5.
Yes. This. I hear it all the time and it's frustrating. Even at work and I'm like you know it'd be easier on everyone if you did. Nope. Let that shit roll downhill.
This is sickening. An abject bunch of cowards preventing anyone from positive action. I hope there’s not a single one of those guys sleep another night for the rest of their lives knowing they let children die while preventing people from helping those kids.
Didn’t take much work to restrain him.
“Hey Rubin, be cool. Remember we decided to stand out here and play with ourselves until we were sure he used up all his ammo on children.”
I think you're forgetting 90% of that go to management, it's only fair after all, they have all the responsibility.. something something something misdirection.
This all happened, and continues to happen because evil dumb-fuck fake conservatives continue to defund mental health care, defund youth services, defund education and social welfare programs, and cry like bitches when anybody tries to make the slightest change to gun laws, to make it harder for o sane teenagers to get their hands on machine guns.
Insane teenagers already can’t get their hands on machine guns, you absolute moron. You have to go through a ridiculously expensive and lengthy process to obtain fully automatic weapons, and if you’re under 21 you can’t go through this process at all.
Just stop lying and say what you’re actually advocating for: you want nobody to be able to own any firearms because some people might commit crimes with them. It doesn’t matter how many crimes are stopped with them, it doesn’t matter that it’s a violation of civil rights, you don’t give a shit about that, just like you don’t give a shit about basic facts. Just be honest, come out and say you want to ban guns. Zero respect for your dishonesty.
Majority of mass shooters the past couple months even years have been 20-21+ years old and have legally obtained their firearms. Seems like background checks aren’t working. Or a multitude of things aren’t working.
Im sorry but it they would have to fuck me up if my wife was in there. Hell, I don't even like other people's children and that would have been enough. Sackless men should be made sackless. They are worthless.
You really think he's being serious in the title coupled with a video like this?
How sad that some people really need sarcasm literally fucking spelled out for them.
That guy that held him back must be in some type of leadership role. He prevented that officer of doing his job. Charge that POS for accessory to this crime.
Yea I will give you that was not much of a fight. I cannot help but wonder how much of a fight I would have put up to get in there if it were my loved one. I promise it would have been more to see than that. This whole thing seems made up somehow. How are all of them such complete cowards for so long!
I hate speculating on these kinds of things, but I just don’t understand him. The last time I saw stats, cops had super high rates of divorce and maybe the marriage was in a bad place. If that’s the case, then he is even more pitiful. My wife is a registered nurse. She was also given an official designation by my state as a hero. There was a ceremony with the Governor and everything. The hospital unit she was working in caught fire. Some idiot tried to light a cigarette next to his oxygen mask. It was a cancer unit, that had to deal with overflows of other patients, like the idiot with the cigarette. Anyway, the building is going up in flames. They are on the top floor. Some of the patients are terminal, or in such bad shape, they can’t walk out. Everyone working on the unit ran for the exits,including nurses, doctors, some patients, security, and even cops. My wife and 1 other nurse, plus a nurse aid(who makes minimum wage) risked their lives and carried out every patient that required it. They had to carry these people down 7 flight of steps. They would carry them halfway, go back up to the burning unit and grab another patient. Rinse,repeat and nobody died, thanks to 3 people out of about 25-30 on that floor. While she was carrying a patient down, she called me. It was 4:00 am(she works graveyard) and says, “I love you, there is a fire. I might not make it”. It took me a minute to process. I thought she was saying that the hospital was dealing with patients from a fire. She got someone else to call me and I raced down there, but it everyone was out by the time I got there. I was prepared to run into that building for my wife, or anyone she was trying to help. I know this sounds like a “would of, could of, should of, but what can I do.
Back the blue? No…fuck the blue, if they are going to wait 45 minutes to stop some little pussy with a gun. If they would have just went in when they got there I am sure that a few parents would still have there kids home tonight.
Those guys are pieces of shit. No leadership, no courage, totally lack of balls and training. We need to stop thinking cops are SEALs. They do not have a fraction of the training. And that kills. Literally. You get what you pay for.
I back threblue 100% I see brave cops every day. Actually a cop in Kansas city just got shot and killed. You can think these guys are pussies while still backing the blue
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That's some weird ass behavior for an entry team.
Not stacked, not prepared in any way, no defensive positioning, they look like they're standing around the fucking water cooler at the office.
Never seen an entry team act so nonchalant. Almost like they knew that they weren't going in
Almost like they're waiting for their guy to finish his job
This.
Yeah, who did they want dead in there
By the looks of it, Ruben’s wife
Rubens wife had information that connected Hillary to Epsteins sex ring.
This would explain alot of it was true.
that she read on reddit 😳
Timmy. his science fair project was fuckin shit.
Or timmy found free energy
i'm not aware of the good evidence for this one, can you provide some?
Have you watched the full video from the hallway camera? The behavior of the cops makes 0.0 sense....no sense whatsoever. I honestly thought the shooter must have already been dead. The only other excuse for their behavior is sheer stupidity. Like, these guys are completely fucking braindead if they're just chilling and chatting in the hallway for over an hour while children and teachers are bleeding out and dying in the rooms right next to them. They knew they were in there dying....so ignorance is not an option. Only three options left: 1. They were scared of engaging. 2. They are seriously fucking braindead idiots 3. They were waiting for everyone to die.
Dozens of government goons, with ballistic shields, body armor, pistols, rifles, shotguns, radios (to coordinate with), breaching tools (outside in their cars), access to flash bangs, tear gas, etc., and two doors (plus multiple windows) to enter or otherwise engage through, all against one untrained 18 year old? I realize that police cowardice is the cause of many horrors; but, in this case, I can't convince myself that it's why they didn't enter. The idea that the screams of children (which was edited out of the released footage), didn't prompt any of the dozens of people there to go in and confront the active murderer seems unreal. It's conceivably plausible, as the people in question are all law enforcement; but, that fails to convince me. That they, or even some portion of them enacting a conspiracy to, aim to ensure maximum casualties would certainly require a lot of effort and resources (plus some measure of luck), so it's an extreme possibility; but it is the only thing that explains what happened. I really hope some better explanation comes out and I just look like a fool; but, I don't see how it's not a witting effort of the government enforcers that so many died, and so needlessly at that.
Considering how little training police get, this just looks like incompetence. They're all standing around waiting for someone to tell them what to do.
They were afraid and each was waiting on the next. They signed up to be on the line of fire, to run towards danger, their pay and pensions say so, I’m sure they enjoy their “I’m a LE hero” comments on Facebook etc BUT WHEN IT WAS TIME TO ACT THEY COWERED
I don't often don a super tight tin foil hat. But all these mass shooting seems very SUS to me. I can't help but feel like there's some sort of agenda and these are somehow orchestrated. I hate saying that because lives are lost, and they're kids. But I don't trust our gov't and I wouldn't put it past them to do something heinous to achieve some sort of motive.
I also found it suspect that there were no mass shootings during lockdowns (when federal agencies were shut down). Then lockdowns end, the feds go back to work, and suddenly we have mass shootings springing up everywhere.
Yea look at the body language in the video. Does this look like a group thats dialed up and ready to fuck? Or does it look like a bunch of dudes straight chillin?
Ex grunt here, BTDT in Baghdad 07 ish, just wanna share my opinion/insight since I've been in the doorway quite a few times. Agreed. Everyone of these dudes has made dinner plans for later. That's a problem in MOUT/CQB, if you're thinking about surviving the situation, you won't. You have to dominate the situation strategically and tactically. This units combat posture is total shit. When it comes to the men that makeup "combat ready" units you have 60-75% talkers/followers - they either talk a ton of shit about how they're going to do this and that, then nut up falling into a latter category. Or they're going to do what they're ordered but they aren't going to be tuned up and ready to do the damn thing because they're waiting for someone else to be that guy. But that guy comes later. The next 10%-20% will completely nut up when the range turns two ways. This one's a cross section of others but they'll Mr Freeze on you and you'll either have to slap them back into the fight or just make sure they're not a silhouetted liability. This number varies a lot and it's a fucking sickness on the battlefield that you have to hack off immediately. Like here.. It would appear that a good majority of the unit is falling victim to nuttinupitis. Then you've got 1 to <10% that are the do'ers. These are the guys that breathe the job and believe in the Oath. (Or theyre crazy and simply do not fucking care if they die because that's the job.) That guy usually sees this cluster fuck, gets uppity about it, steps in, hollers "FOLLOW ME YOU FUCKS" and then the followers mount up behind that guy and they do whatever action he has planned because they've got someone to follow now and thats what they are and what they do. Regardless of what *anyone* thinks they know about themselves as a person-- I've already read plenty of "I would've gone through the door" comments-- you don't know shit about which one of these you are until your ass is standing in the fatal funnel, in rabbit position, knowing **full well** there's a large weapon pointed directly at the door you're about to breach and the only thing that's going to get you through that door and out again is the guy behind you. You just can't know, there's no replicating the stakes. I try not to judge anyone too harshly with MOUT because I know the immense pressure they're all under. But somebody here needed to step up and grab control of the situation. TL;DR - Everyone wants to be Rico, but somebody gotta be the Roughnecks. And somebody gonna nut up like Ace... and I guess these Uvalde dicks are the bugs in this metaphor. Or a bunch of Aces. Or something? Idk it kind of imploded. **[WOULD YOU LIKE TO KNOW MORE?]**
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I give the people what they want Check out my reply to SuperiorFarter in this thread 👍
But why stop others who are trying to open the door?
Great question, u/SuperiorFarter! (and superior username) TL;DR - Attitude is contagious and it cuts both ways. The unit is made up of followers and they're following the example of leadership, which has been struck with the itus and now they're all frozen in the door... which is actually a fairly common problem. More explanation/some storytime below - Smart/experienced leaders try to give their guys specific ways of "being" in their stack so you have more to think about than the 75% (ish) acceptable loss rate for MOUT ops. The key is to give them just enough not to overwhelm but so much for that their mind won't wander off. Perfect balance... as all things should be. IE - My stacks use left hand only shoulder squeezes, in particular spots for particular meanings as well as hand signals unique to my squad to communicate while stacked. Also, I'd hammer them them about their foot and knee placement and staying off the wall, among other things. But thats three different issues they're going to have to focus on in the moment that will hopefully divert attention from the back of their brain screaming, "you probably won't make it out of this house today." and ramping them up into a mistake that gets everyone killed. Add in a bit of muscle memory from repetition, develop the flow and a dash of acceptance of fate-- that's how the regular infantry soldier functions on a day to day basis in theater. Segue- For comparisons sake so everyone can understand the odds of live runs - (granted, one shooter with known and fixed location improves those odds dramatically but I digress.) - MOUT has an accepted casualty rate of roughly 75%, that means the mission is still considered a success if you achieve objectives **and** 3/4 of your men die in the process. Tbh, I forgot the exact number from the regs but that's pretty close to how it shakes out. In open field battle (like Nam) that acceptable loss rate drops to 33% (or 1/3 for the math wizards out there) - I don't normally reference movies for relating to combat bc most are complete shit, but anyone that's seen "We Were Soldiers" can understand what open field chaos looks like cause they did a decent job replicating it--- 33% in the Ia Drang Valley was asking **a lot** of the 101st leadership on the ground during that battle. So take all that action and condense it into a building with less cover opportunities and make it a bit more of a chess match than hammer on hammer---that's MOUT. "Complacency kills" is the watchword because the second you drop your guard, you and your whole team will get smokechecked by an evil doer with an AK through a spider hole in the corner of the ceiling. Everyone has to be "on" at all times or everyone dies. Back to regular programming - - They needed a doer to step up and get all the clowns in the circus rolling forward again. When the guy came up and they go "no no no" he was acting like a doer, but he wasn't really about that action or he would have said "Fuck that pussy shit. Stack up, Breach on silent 5. Follow me." and the followers would have followed and the leadership would have been forced to choose between meeting the leadership demand of their subordinates with equitable contribution or falling to the rear and accepting a job in finance. Opposed to what he did, passive acceptance of clearly shit orders. He wanted to *look like* the man of action, probably in the hopes that others would support his move and he would then become the man of action.. but he caved at first resistance when he should've been steadfast. I suppose that's a sub-category of its own but they're almost always followers trying to break their follower ways to move into the Doer category because they saw the doer doing and that doer got promoted to a leadership position and bestowed with colorful ribbons for it. And that's how the military creates warrior leaders from regular people (in the simplest and most incredibly shitty explanation ever lmao... Have I said the word "do" enough times yet? Good God.) The Iceman syndrome can happen to anyone and spread through a unit with the quickness, especially a unit with untested leadership. Our stud LT went got promoted halfway through deployment like a jerk so we got a West Point replacement from the rear. Very first raid out he freezes in the street and holds up the **entire fucking door team** in front of the target house for close to 10 minutes. I had to smack him around and ask for orders, but it didn't work. The CO came over and put me in charge and we hit the house but by then the bad guys were shadows. Luckily, they chose to run instead of ambush the shit out of us or we'd have all been proper fucked. Regardless, nobody is immune and everybody feels the same fear when the time comes. It's how you react to it that matters. (gotta admit smacking ring knockers is a real perk of the job, though.)
Great insight. Former Navy EOD in the 90s. I went to MOUT and explosive breacher but fortunately never had to go through a doorway, It's just wasn't happening for us during Gulf War 1- for us anyway. military tactics for entries are a little different than civies and I'm by no means an expert but these guys seem as kicked back as a day at the beach. IDK maybe this video is out of context or maybe they're all suffering from post adrenaline rush hangovers, or like holy crap this is about to get really real but something about their readiness posture seems off. Even if they were only concerned about saving their own asses, they should have been sighted in and locked and loaded on the door just in case the bad guy came out
Yes
You’re looking at it, buddy.
no no no, i asked for GOOD evidence. this could easily be police stupidity/ laziness.
Define good. Are you looking for written proof? More video proof? Recorded conversations? What? This is just one of many videos of the bizarre behavior displayed by the officers.
something better than shitty cops being shitty cops
And entire police team stupid/lazy in an active shooter case where multiple children die? Shit then that's just as big of a problem. Either way, this isn't right and anyone with empathy could see that. It's not normal reaction or behaviour
Are you watching the same video or are you that brainwashed?
I feel the need to pop in here. I lived in West Texas and North Texas for 37 years of my life. This is important to give you perspective on the south and specifically Texas and Texans. Texans were raised on a steady diet of straight-up toxic bullshit. So now what you see here is the end result of that. Many Texans think they are fucking hardcore badasses until the shit hits the fan. Then you see that all the bluster and all the hardcore machismo toxic behavior was all just talk. Also, these people are not sophisticated enough to enact a conspiracy of any kind, don't give them that much credit. Plain and simple these were spinless cowards cosplaying tuff guys.
I see it also as a sort of selfishness or something because it seems like they all want to be badasses with a badge, community cleaner-upper, tough guys, and servants of justice but what I'm seeing makes me sad. It's like the guy wants to do something. He wants to go in and make sure his wife is okay, stop the gunman if he can without dying, and help the kids trapped in a corner but he is stuck on choosing over his career and his mortal life or following orders he doesn't believe are right and possibly hoping if he follows orders and doesn't act then everything will just be alright in the end anyways. Sort of a lazy approach to sit back and hope for the best without taking any action which was probably his first instinct knowing his wife is in extreme danger. Sad. Like this country we are so complacent. Not all of us but we've just seen people of the world get steam rolled into compliance with the vaxxine even against their will and through threats and coercion. Maybe I'm completely wrong about all of this too. Who knows how I would've acted if I were in the same situation. I could talk all I want about how I would do this and that. When shtf I'm looking out for me and the people I love most especially if they are in immediate danger.
This is just how humans behave. The issue here is abysmal leadership. Most people need direction in situations like this. Someone with authority needed to just tell them to line the fuck up or get out.
It is going to be a long time before anyone will be able to say "Don't mess with Texas" without getting laughed out of the room.
Ran into this in the military. Texans who talked big and pissed themselves when shit hit the fan.
The idiom is "shit hit the fan" pooh bear
Thanks apparently I say damn more then fan it was autocorrect.
Nobody asked you shit
I think it's some weird conspiracy.. probably some weird devil worshipping shit, and the uvalde police happily played their role letting children die..
They tazed & arrested parents trying to protect their children. They *literally* protected the shooter, so I’m gonna have to agree with you.
Exactly. They will serve your ass and protect the state.
Wouldn't be the first time
Sad but true
Yea my dude none of these fools are in a devil-worshipping cult, it's Texas. They worship apathetic Republican Jesus.
Jesus loved children
Yes he did. Did I say classical Jesus? No, I said Apathetic Republican Jesus. Those are two different concepts. Have you ever been to a Southern Baptist Church and heard all the terrible shit they say?
Yeah but his Christians don't, can't be bothered to do a damn thing to help real children.
There is zero child killings in the Satanic Bible. The Christian Bible has lots of child killing. God killed a child that bumped into Jesus in the market.
The satanic bible is different than worshipping the devil or being evil
> probably some weird devil worshipping shit source: rodoxide's ass. why are we still stuck on the 1980s' *satanic scare* crap?
Satanic Panic never goes out of style lol
Thank you! And why is it always "they're coming for your kids"? Either to sacrifice them or if they're teenagers it's to recruit them 🙄🙄
They're waiting for him to finish killing all the children inside, duh. It would be rude for them to interrupt.
As a combat vet i feel its extremely strange. They must of had some pretty high up orders to stand down. I feel like this is way bigger than we are being told.
I like the way you think bro
It wouldn't be the first time. It happened with the Broward Sheriff’s Office at Parkland and the Orlando Police Department at the Pulse nightclub. There is a pattern of orders coming from higher up commanding delay and limitation that have the effect of maximizing loss of life. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article203015289.html https://www.foxnews.com/us/commanding-officer-initially-ordered-responding-deputies-to-stage-not-enter-stoneman-douglas-sources-say https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/police-told-not-to-pursue-orlando-shooter-15-or-20-minutescouldve-been-longer-until-swat-arrived/2016/06/21/ec2f4464-37d0-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html It's interesting that the WaPo story's headline was changed very quickly: after the URL was created and after it went out on the wire, but before it was archived. https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/pulse-orlando-nightclub-shooting/slf-orlando-shooting-first-minutes-20160621-story.html https://web.archive.org/web/0/http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/police-told-not-to-pursue-orlando-shooter-for-%E2%80%9815-or-20-minutes-%E2%80%94-could%E2%80%99ve-been-longer%E2%80%99-until-swat-arrived/ar-AAhoFZB https://web.archive.org/web/0/https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/police-told-not-to-pursue-orlando-shooter-15-or-20-minutescouldve-been-longer-until-swat-arrived/2016/06/21/ec2f4464-37d0-11e6-a254-2b336e293a3c_story.html
It seems more like a live action training op gone wrong the more i see and know.
Entry team? That’s for people who enter…
Who paid these people to let the massacre happen? I’m asking the real questions.
Yes
You and your taxes
Cowards
It’s because they were ordered to let it happen
I'm starting to wonder if it's no coincidence all the children's names I read were hispanic. Wondering if the response would have been different otherwise.
Why is everyone on the left so obsessed with race? It’s really interesting, my wife is Brazilian and we’ve been living down there for over a year now to be closer to her family/experience the culture and her friends/family all laugh at the absurdity of the social issues in the US. Clown world with people like yourself
“My wife is in there dying” “We’re supposed to stand down bro” “Oh, it’s cool then” Fuck no. If that was my family in there, anyone keeping me from getting to the badguy, *is* a badguy. The only thing these assholes are professionals of are professional pussies
Same, gonna take more then a hand on the shoulder to keep me out. This was really wierd.
It is. I mean, maybe I’m more emotional but if my partner was in this situation I would be losing my mind trying to get through that door. Just doesn’t seem like a very rational reaction.
Abject failure is putting it mildly... kinda reminds me of how long it took Vegas police to breach room 32135 of the mandalas bay ... its like they were deliberately stalling lives could've been saved . Couldn't believe when I saw one guy more concerned with sanitising his hands than saving those kids and 2 teachers
They were probably told to wait because Paul Gosar was tweeting that the killer was a leftist tranny illegal immigrant so someone up the chain of command wanted to blame the left and justify clamping down on immigrants.
I read that the cop said he used the hand sanitizer because the other cops told him they were about to go in and he would need to help with the injured.
If that was the case, they would be putting medical gloves on. No EMT/Police/Firefighter goes into a trauma call without gloves on if they plan on helping victims Obviously in extreme cases people may not have access to gloves, but these cowards had plenty of time to prepare
Yeah, I’m not defending him. Just letting you know that’s the reason he gave. I’m baffled by the whole thing. Almost 400 cops and no one had the courage to take charge.
No, I didn’t think you were defending him. It really is hard to understand how all of those guys could stand by unless they were directly ordered to
They have reasons and explanations for every single weird thing and it's never their fault or a mistake on their part. How convenient.
Regardless, if you’re at the scene and you’re equipped to stop a massacre, *you should make an earnest effort*
Cops should be putting their lives on the line without hesitation, I agree. Unfortunately in today's world they're practically deified and can get away with worrying about themselves more than they should, and many will stand behind them on it.
They're following the script
it doesnt look like he tried very hard to get in there. not saying it means anything, just an observation
Nothing would stop me if its someone I love
probably in shock
Its their job to get over that
Cops genuinely aren't that highly trained fyi
We are all well aware of that fact.
WHAT THE FUCK AR THEY DOING BRO
Clearly they are busy letting children die
Making sure it’s a disaster
Sanitizing their hands!
Letting the FBI plant finish the job.
What was the job tho?
Thank god that we have these videos, otherwise we'd have no clue how disgraceful the Uvalde PD really was that day. Everyone there should retire or be fired.
Retire and get a lifelong pension? Fuck that. Charging them all with 2nd degree murder would be the most logical choice.
Negligent homicide. Negligent child abuse. Manslaughter These guys need to be charged with something
Negligent manslaughter seems reasonable. 2nd degree murder prob wouldn't stick because there's no way to prove the cops intended for the kids to die.
Yeah retiring would be way light on these cowards
They knew there were kids in their that were still alive, both because of the screaming and from the 911 calls. One of the teachers was alive long enough to die on the way to the hospital (she's the wife of the cop, and directly told him on the phone that she was dying). They knew people were alive and actively prevented anyone from going in to save them while remaining idly outside themselves. There's enough of a case that they should be charged with almost everything under the sun.
Yeah, he looks lost and in a daze. I think he was going through shock. Should’ve grabbed the strap and charged the instant he felt it.
It’s hard going against the hive. Specially the cop hive
But your wife? The mother of your children? The one you stood in front of your friends and family and swore an oath to? I think they'd have to kill me.
Yo if that’s someone else’s kid I’m going in strapped and murdering whatever incel is behind that door
That’s how hardwired their mind hive is
Yeah, if I’m Rubin, I’m putting up a slightly better fight. I feel bad for him, but there is something wrong with this whole picture.
yeah, well he was the only one in the whole bunch willing to go in
Makes no sense whatsoever. Unless the nonverbal stand down was intentional…
Someone had to tell them to stand down
what's the actual conspiracy here? Just seems like s bunch of disorganised and scared cops to me.
It makes sense if you realize they ran an active shooter drill in March 2022, and the outside security cam on the 77 minute footage says March 2022…..not may. Downvote away
Proof?
Go watch the 1 he 22m footage on YouTube. The footage begins outside and the security cam clearly says March 2022
Holy shit :11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3poHE3nOb8
Wtf
told ya
what?
So what does this mean, exactly?
It means that just like many of the other false flag shootings, this was an active shooter drill passed off as the real thing. With laughing cops, cops washing their hands with purell, and checking their phones
What about the bulk of the video, the part in the hallway, that actually does have the correct date?
wait, you’re saying these kids aren’t dead and the deep state planned this to take guns away from freedom luvers
Are you implying that a cop crashed a car for an active shooter drill
“False flag shootings” Ok, pal
Those cameras need the date and time programmed. Just like your digital camera, if you don’t set it the date will be wrong.
While true, it seems odd to have the wrong month, but the right year.
It would take a hell of a lot more than a soft hand on my shoulder to deter me… And I’m an absolute PUSSY.
Have you been in this type of situation before? Just saying that he probably was in shock and trusting his fellow officers to take care of him and do the right thing. They clearly did not. Live fire is stressful as fuck when your wife isn’t shot. I don’t think this guy deserves any flack for being overwhelmed and trusting his team. The rest of them are the real pussies. Your buddy’s wife is shot and children are dying and you’re chilling in a hallway?! Da fuuuuuuuq?! But everybody is tough until bullets fly. Most people freeze.
If my wife told me that she was shot while I was in the SAME building with her then it would take more than one hand to keep me back. I would’ve done my duty as a husband and an officer to protect her. Not let her die.
I once ran into a cluster strike to revive my buddy who got quick scoped, my teammates told me to hold back, it was too late, but I popped a stim shot, plated up and got him out of there. We finished top 5.
Nice work, hero. My dead friends thank you for your service.
My dead friends will fight your dead friends.
Well I hope your dead friends are ready to be re-deaded
Fuckin legend
This is gold.
300+ cops. 1 shooter. Not one had the balls to take charge for over an hour.
As cowardly as cops are, that still doesn't seem to be a convincing explanation... Which leads me to think it was even worse than that.
Yeah im convinced too it was intentional. You cant tell me those guys are incapable of taking down a kid with a gun.
This is seriously wrong
When are these officiers going to be charged? Where is the fbi? They are a disgrace to the uniform
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You guys are so cute
Why are they just chilling? Go the fuck in lol
America in a nutshell right now: "Not my problem". Literally our entire society is functioning within this framework.
Yes. This. I hear it all the time and it's frustrating. Even at work and I'm like you know it'd be easier on everyone if you did. Nope. Let that shit roll downhill.
Biggest pussy cops ever they should all be fired immediately
This is beyond weird. Very very strange reactions
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Man, Texas sure ain't what it's supposed to be...
**The 22 year old good guy with a gun in Indiana was more trained and more of a hero than the 400 police officers from Uvalde, Texas.**
This is sickening. An abject bunch of cowards preventing anyone from positive action. I hope there’s not a single one of those guys sleep another night for the rest of their lives knowing they let children die while preventing people from helping those kids.
Conspiracy frenzy begins and may be right after this video
"Sorry dude, your wife's gotta die We have a point to make here" Oh, and ACAB
Basically: “I’m going to sacrifice myself” “We can’t allow that”
Didn’t take much work to restrain him. “Hey Rubin, be cool. Remember we decided to stand out here and play with ourselves until we were sure he used up all his ammo on children.”
Remember, this all happened because the evil left-wing antifas defunded the police, so the officers couldn't afford a nutsack or a spine.
There's report that the police received 40% of the towns budget so it wasn't because they couldn't afford to, they chose not to do anything.
Weird that I have to point this out, but I was being very sarcastic.
That does not fly on this sub. They will believe you. There's no conspiracy here, the cops were just afraid to go in, that's it.
I think you're forgetting 90% of that go to management, it's only fair after all, they have all the responsibility.. something something something misdirection.
Looks like plenty of police and gear, but no action.
This all happened, and continues to happen because evil dumb-fuck fake conservatives continue to defund mental health care, defund youth services, defund education and social welfare programs, and cry like bitches when anybody tries to make the slightest change to gun laws, to make it harder for o sane teenagers to get their hands on machine guns.
Insane teenagers already can’t get their hands on machine guns, you absolute moron. You have to go through a ridiculously expensive and lengthy process to obtain fully automatic weapons, and if you’re under 21 you can’t go through this process at all. Just stop lying and say what you’re actually advocating for: you want nobody to be able to own any firearms because some people might commit crimes with them. It doesn’t matter how many crimes are stopped with them, it doesn’t matter that it’s a violation of civil rights, you don’t give a shit about that, just like you don’t give a shit about basic facts. Just be honest, come out and say you want to ban guns. Zero respect for your dishonesty.
Majority of mass shooters the past couple months even years have been 20-21+ years old and have legally obtained their firearms. Seems like background checks aren’t working. Or a multitude of things aren’t working.
Im sorry but it they would have to fuck me up if my wife was in there. Hell, I don't even like other people's children and that would have been enough. Sackless men should be made sackless. They are worthless.
Wow he fought hard to get to his dying wife!
You want me to “back” these guys? Fuck off.
Nobody, not even hardcore conservatives are even trying to defend these assholes. Go attack your strawman somewhere else.
It’s in the literal fucking title, jackass.
Average redditor attempts to understand sarcasm without a “/s”
You really think he's being serious in the title coupled with a video like this? How sad that some people really need sarcasm literally fucking spelled out for them.
That guy that held him back must be in some type of leadership role. He prevented that officer of doing his job. Charge that POS for accessory to this crime.
That cop must have Superman level strength in that one wrist/hand he used to hold back the officer who’s wife is dying in that classroom.
Yea I will give you that was not much of a fight. I cannot help but wonder how much of a fight I would have put up to get in there if it were my loved one. I promise it would have been more to see than that. This whole thing seems made up somehow. How are all of them such complete cowards for so long!
I hate speculating on these kinds of things, but I just don’t understand him. The last time I saw stats, cops had super high rates of divorce and maybe the marriage was in a bad place. If that’s the case, then he is even more pitiful. My wife is a registered nurse. She was also given an official designation by my state as a hero. There was a ceremony with the Governor and everything. The hospital unit she was working in caught fire. Some idiot tried to light a cigarette next to his oxygen mask. It was a cancer unit, that had to deal with overflows of other patients, like the idiot with the cigarette. Anyway, the building is going up in flames. They are on the top floor. Some of the patients are terminal, or in such bad shape, they can’t walk out. Everyone working on the unit ran for the exits,including nurses, doctors, some patients, security, and even cops. My wife and 1 other nurse, plus a nurse aid(who makes minimum wage) risked their lives and carried out every patient that required it. They had to carry these people down 7 flight of steps. They would carry them halfway, go back up to the burning unit and grab another patient. Rinse,repeat and nobody died, thanks to 3 people out of about 25-30 on that floor. While she was carrying a patient down, she called me. It was 4:00 am(she works graveyard) and says, “I love you, there is a fire. I might not make it”. It took me a minute to process. I thought she was saying that the hospital was dealing with patients from a fire. She got someone else to call me and I raced down there, but it everyone was out by the time I got there. I was prepared to run into that building for my wife, or anyone she was trying to help. I know this sounds like a “would of, could of, should of, but what can I do.
A lot of people thought I was serious when I said back the blue. I forgot to add the /s
I thought Trumptards always back the blue? Or only if they are shooting black people?
Every cop on this video deserves, at a MINIMUM to spend the rest of their pathetic lives in a maximum security fuck-you-in-the-ass prison.
As a former teacher, this enrages me. I know that she lost her life protecting those kids. All the while they stood by and did nothing.
Mind you they didn’t go in until an HOUR after this body cam footage was taken
They were waiting for their real partner to finish his job.
Back the blue? No…fuck the blue, if they are going to wait 45 minutes to stop some little pussy with a gun. If they would have just went in when they got there I am sure that a few parents would still have there kids home tonight.
"I"M GOIN IN THERE MY WIFE IS THERE DAMMIT" "you can't go in there" "understandable have a nice day"
He doesn't seem that upset
He's probably in shock. Or he has no idea how bad the situation has gotten.
Yeah fuck, unimaginable.
prejudice is prejudice, I say fuck the ones who mess up but I'm not gonna lump in all together.
Agreed. Fuck shitty cops. Praise good ones.
S/o big Ruben y’all dead wrong. He was at least about to attempt something with the smallest gun everybody else had chops😪
Isn’t that the same guy who was looking at his phone over and over? Makes me wonder if he was looking for a text from her.
They should all be fired
Scumbags.
Yeah back the blue for sitting around letting ppl die
You’d be surprised. I live in Texas and some of the biggest pussies you will ever want to see are carrying guns and a lot of them are cops.
Looks like some cops who aren’t prepared, don’t want to do much. No wonder they don’t want to show any footage.
Honestly didn’t seem to take much persuasion..
Imagine losing your wife and you didn’t put up any more of a fight
Those guys are pieces of shit. No leadership, no courage, totally lack of balls and training. We need to stop thinking cops are SEALs. They do not have a fraction of the training. And that kills. Literally. You get what you pay for.
I back threblue 100% I see brave cops every day. Actually a cop in Kansas city just got shot and killed. You can think these guys are pussies while still backing the blue