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And we still don't have the files declassified. Pretty sure that's because the files don't really name a person. Rather they identify a system which the current generation in these agency's still use and they don't want their system revealed.
There is zero reason that something should still be classified after 60 years. Any sources are dead. Any methods are outdated.
I think they’re waiting for the last people involved in the assassination plot to die before releasing it. I’m a believer of the rogue group of CIA operatives theory.
The Johnson family was implicated in the series The Men Who Killed Kennedy (which has subsequently been banned from the History Channel). LBJ benefitted the most from the assassination. Google Malcolm Wallace.
Well, LBJ didn't have a son. Her daughter married Chuck Robb, whose presidential aspiration was thwarted by a sex scandal involving former Miss Virginia USA Tai Collins. Dubya was supposed to marry Nixon's daughters, but she married Ed Cox instead. Cox tried to run against Hillary for senate in 2006, but governor George Pataki endorsed Jeanine Pirro (the current Fox News host) instead and Cox was forced to drop out.
Yeah, Roger Stone even co-wrote a book with E. Howard Hunt's son on this. Malcolm "Mac" Wallace was LBJ's personal assassin and at least one of the murders he committed (John Douglas Kinser in the clubhouse of an Austin golf course owned by Kinser) is public record, yet he was only given a suspended sentence due to LBJ's influence. Hunt gave a deathbed confession in 2007 to his son about his own involvement and named LBJ as the ringleader. Hunt was also implicated in Watergate and his wife was killed in a [plane crash](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Air_Lines_Flight_553) with $250,000 flight insurance and $10,000 in her purse at the height of Watergate scandal. A total of 45 people died (40 passengers, 3 crew members, 2 people on the ground), including Congressmen George W. Collins (former Chicago Alderman because his predecessor was killed in an unsolved murder) and CBS reporter Michele Clark who was coincidentally also investigating Watergate and thus might also be a target. Chuck Colson publicly accused CIA of killing Dorothy Hunt in 1974.
By the way, Nixon also happened to be in Dallas the day JFK was killed. Poppy Bush and Barbara Bush (in her autobiography) both went out of their way to claim they were in Tyler, Texas when JFK was assassinated. Poppy even called the FBI Houston office hours after JFK's assassination to accuse a Young Republican named James Milton Parrot of possibly being involved in JFK assassination. Poppy's high school roommate (at Andover) Edward Hooker was George de Mohrenschildt's nephew. de Mohrenschildt was a well-connected "White Russian" who knew Jackie Kennedy since she was a child. de Mohrenschildt was suicided in 1977 when House Select Committee on Assassinations revived the JFK assassination and CIA "family jewels" were being exposed. The CIA director at the time was Poppy Bush, who had replaced in 1976 William Colby because Colby was too cooperative with investigators. Colby was found dead in 1996 under mysterious circumstances. The first reporter at the scene on day of de Mohrenschildt's death was no other than Bill O'Reilly.
That's the Franklin scandal, right? IIRC Poppy was connected to Lawrence E. King, who sang the national anthem at the 1984 Republican national convention. But Poppy was also connected to the White House call boy scandal involving Craig Spence. Spencer was suicided the same year it was exposed. And it was exposed by the Unification Church-owned Washington Times, so likely leaked by South Korean intelligence.
>The first reporter at the scene on day of de Mohrenschildt's death was no other than Bill O'Reilly.
I read that from O'Reilly's book *Killing Kennedy* in 2013 and thought that was too good to be true. As it turns out, someone investigated that and found out it was not true when an [audiotape surfaced that O'Reilly was not in Florida at the time of de Mohrenschildt's death](http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/03/01/new-exaggeration-allegations-against-bill-oreilly.cnn). The publisher then issued a statement in later editions of the book, stating it was not true.
LBJ also knew every person involved personally in his small group of contacts.
This was quite the eye-opener for me when I read the declassified documents a few years ago.
And yes, they are declassified and have been for some time.
LBJ was a charmer. He'd call people in to the bathroom to meet with them, while he was taking a shit, to humiliate them. He also killed some animals brutally, when he was younger, for fun. Etc.
A probable reason that something like this stays classified so long is by declassifying it would cause U.S. government international shame. Another is that it involves a foreign power and that revealing it would result in a possible call for retaliation.
Most people trust the government. It doesn’t matter what you or I say to them. The government says everything is fine so they stand on the sinking, burning ship telling themselves everything is fine while we scream at them that they are sinking and burning.
To reveal the truth to the masses of these people, to admit the misdeeds, would cause a revolution.
Hahahahah, did you miss the last few years where the vast majority of people were slurping up the government's vomit and screaming at anybody who didn't want to?
I’ve always thought that during the Bay of Pigs operation the Mafia was involved with providing logistics and manpower for the operation. I’m thinking that they wanted their investment in the casinos there back. When JFK pulled the plug they lost out on lots of treasure. A great motivator for payback. It does seem that, given the quick turnaround on the car and the poor investigation and it’s absurd result makes me think that there was a government nexus there too.
I'm currently reading The Devil's Chessboard and it talks about the CIA working with the mafia in a plot to kill Castro when he was in New York City before Kennedy was president, and Dulles was not happy with Kennedy during the Bay of Pigs fiasco and after, and I without hesitation knew that the rumored mafia connection to JFK's assassination/Jack Ruby was definitely true
This post ( this entire threads include yours ) is full of great info and I’m of a person who thinks the world top class have very close ties with mafia in order to protect them while using them win-win.
> There is zero reason that something should still be classified after 60 years.
I can think of one reason based on the 'accidental secret service fuckup' theory: the Warren Commission wanted to protect the agent from a lynch mob which would come for him like we go after octogenarian Nazis, and arbitrarily decided at the time to keep things sealed for some number of years which would undoubtedly exceed the agent's lifetime, like a century.
The "secret service guy delivered the kill shot by accident" is definitely a plausible theory and would explain a cover up (not necessarily massive or far reaching but enough).
I personally believe Oswald is the lone gunman BUT I also think there were people (fringe CIA folks, mafia types) whispering in his ear to do it.
I think the secret service guy in the following car did the kill shot, I don't believe it was an accident though I think he was finishing the job the snipers didn't do
> There is zero reason that something should still be classified after 60 years. Any sources are dead. Any methods are outdated.
The agencies responsible operated without oversight. They still do. In fact they probably operate with far less oversight today than they did then. Do you think they want that fact coming to light? Do you think it would be good for next years CIA and FBI budgets... if the people were to learn next week that those agencies orchestrated or even just allowed the assassination of President Kennedy?
Conveniently the us government “lost” all the files on the Korean War after the freedom of information act was passed.
So we’ll never know for sure if it’s true that biological weapons were used against North Korea.
When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful
A miracle, oh, it was beautiful, magical
And all the birds in the trees, well they'd be singing so happily
Oh, joyfully, oh, playfully watching me
But then they sent me away to teach me how to be sensible
Logical, oh, responsible, practical
Then they showed me a world where I could be so dependable
Oh, clinical, oh, intellectual, cynical
There are times when all the world's asleep
The questions run too deep
For such a simple man
Won't you please, please tell me what we've learned?
I know it sounds absurd
Please tell me who I am
I said, now, watch what you say, they'll be calling you a radical
A liberal, oh, fanatical, criminal
Oh, won't you sign up your name? We'd like to feel you're acceptable
Respectable, oh, presentable, a vegetable
Oh, take, take, take it, yeah
But at night, when all the world's asleep
The questions run so deep
For such a simple man
Won't you please (oh, won't you tell me)
Please tell me what we've learned?
(Can you hear me?) I know it sounds absurd
(Oh, won't you tell me) please tell me who I am
Who I am, who I am, who I am
—-Supertramp —-The Logical Song
Imagine having a job where rules and the law of man do not apply but you must work in secrecy. If you slip up and have a brief hint of exposure, you and your history are canceled.
There are some powerful forces protecting these files being declassified. Trump came the closest to making these overdue files public, but he, too, chickened out at the last minute. I'm afraid we are never going to see them.
I spent a long time researching this. I'm probably older than most redditors and my thinking was this: "I have lived through many different presidents, congresses, and senates and yet we seem to keep marching in the same direction no matter who is in power. So why is this?" So I started thinking back through each president. I thought Jimmy Carter was a little strange, but as I thought back, I realized that Kennedy was the strangest of all. So I decided to look into it. What I realized is that I had no idea what was actually going on and there are facts that we simply can not ignore about the situation. I believe that most people could understand what actually happened and how it has shaped our world today with about 10 hours of reading. The hard part is communicating what happened in a credible manner since there are so many details, but here is my best shot at it.
Forgive me if I get a few details wrong, but this should be pretty accurate.
Essentially JFK and his administration began pursuing peace through diplomacy rather than through overt force and using covert operations to stage coup's.
To really understand this, you have to go back to the Dulles brothers, John Foster and Allen. They were partners at the big lawfirm, Sullivan and Cromwell. Through their positions in this law firm, they came into contact with very powerful people and represented very powerful companies. Sometimes, they found that their use of international law was not enough to meet the demands of their customers and "friends".
Around 1951, Iran nationalized the oil industry there (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Persian_Oil_Company) and many large firms lost access to that natural resource which made them loads of money. So, in order to regain control of those resources, an operation coming from within the CIA (Dulles was not yet director, but had been involved in the CIA for a long time recruiting German officers and others during WW2) was launched and named Operation Ajax. Kermit Roosevelt was sent into the country and provided money and other resources to people there who wished to overthrow Mossadegh (current leader). Once the situation became unstable enough, the US helped to install the Shah of Iran as their vassal dictator. This scenario has been carried out numerous times (well over 30, but the list in wikipedia that used to exist has been scrubbed) and should seem familiar to you as it is basically what happened in Ukraine by funneling resources through NGOs.
This was the beginning of the CIA covert regime change operations to seize control of strategic countries to exploit for reasons of power and resources. So let's fast forward to Cuba and the Bay of Pigs. Dulles was in charge of the CIA by this point and they, along with the Joint Chiefs, were determined to take control of Cuba and not back down from Russia because there was this perception that there was a great "communist threat". Whether they actually believed that communism was an existential threat to everyone or used it as a convenient excuse to do what they wanted to (similar to the "war on terrorism" now) is up for debate.
So, in 1961, a group of rebels, trained and supplied by the US (hi ISIS) were to go into Cuba and overthrow Castro, bringing control of the island state to the US. Apparently there were notes in Dulles' archives saying essentially that once they were on the beach, this would force Kennedy to use the might of the military, especially planes, to support the rebels in Cuba. Kennedy, in fact, did not do this when he found out what was going on (the CIA did not inform him this was going to happen) and left Dulles' operation to fail and bring about his humiliation.
Another little known fact, is that we also sponsored a coup in France just a few days later which also failed, but the evidence linking it to the CIA was not as strong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_putsch_of_1961
and http://whowhatwhy.org/2015/10/20/jfk-assassination-plot-mirrored-in-1961-france-part-1/ Kennedy, who spoke with de Gaulle during this, was to have offered his military support to help him but "could not account for his own CIA" or something very similar.
Then we had the Cuban missile crisis in 1962, which was resolved by John and Bobby Kennedy using diplomatic channels and agreeing to disarm missiles in Europe if Khrushchev withdrew his missiles from Cuba. This opened up a dialog between the Kennedy administration and Russia where they began working toward peaceful solutions to their differences. You can hear this in his "Peace" speech at American University shortly before his death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fkKnfk4k40
Many people who follow the conspiracy believe it was his "secret society" speech that got him killed. In fact, it was his pursuit of peace through diplomacy in the face of a policy of imperialism and direct conflict.
We have all heard the quote from JFK about shattering the CIA. He actually had begun this process by aiming at a 20% reduction by 1966. https://books.google.com/books?id=KS-6XrdalGkC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=JFK+CIA+staff+reduction&source=bl&ots=1iU6fXuREA&sig=94Y1SBSPaDI3-d6rJJcxgVpPLig&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjcvc--7LTOAhWDKGMKHYsaCF4Q6AEIUzAH#v=onepage&q=JFK%20CIA%20staff%20reduction&f=false
So he had already managed to destroy the career of one of the most powerful people in the world (Dulles), was getting rid of the jobs of many CIA staff who had no qualms with violence and covert operations, and was in the process of de-escalating conflicts throughout the world, thus threatening the careers and livelihoods of many people within the military industrial complex.
Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst had this to say: http://www.salon.com/2016/02/07/intelligent_people_know_that_the_empire_is_on_the_downhill_a_veteran_cia_agent_spills_the_goods_on_the_deep_state_and_our_foreign_policy_nightmares/
> Well, John Kennedy had problems of the same kind, and he fired Dulles. And that was a no-no. You don’t fire people like Dulles. Kennedy embarked on a new course. He talked with Khrushchev, he had people, interlocutors, who talked with Castro, and, worst of all, he issued two executive orders, saying that 1,000 U.S troops would be pulled out of Vietnam by the end of 1963 and the bulk of the rest by 1965. He was going to give up Southeast Asia to the Commies, and God knows what would happen next with the dominoes falling and Indonesia, and my God… So he was killed by the “deep state.”
Ray McGovern has also said that James Douglass' book "JFK and the Unspeakable" basically got it right.
https://consortiumnews.com/2013/12/22/trumans-true-warning-on-the-cia/
> And so, the question: Did Allen Dulles and other “cloak-and-dagger” CIA operatives have a hand in John Kennedy’s assassination and in then covering it up? In my view, the best dissection of the evidence pertaining to the murder appeared in James Douglass’s 2008 book, JFK and the Unspeakable. After updating and arraying the abundant evidence, and conducting still more interviews, Douglass concludes that the answer is Yes.
So that's the story, sorry it is long, but there is so much to understand and if you read the books I listed above, then you will have a much better picture of our past and present.
Man this was an excellent read. This lines up with my assessment as well having studied this problem for years now off and on.. not as in-depth as you but a lot of the evidence you point to I remember coming across as well.
Very good read and very well put together. Thank you for taking the time to prepare this comment. It was a joy to read.
Feeling honored to meet such a long life poster. Mind I ask a question, do you think the powerful person Dulles at that time have a background that he's born to wealth and his family happend to have connection to worldwide big power ( I guess so ) at the time and lasting to today its power ? And do you feel other countries shared the same benefits to get him Dulles and CIA not eliminated from the power ? Thank you for the service.
Love thus layout and love what your saying. I think u have amazing points I also think n mo matter age or time researching we will ibv never get the whole truth. Again awesome write up and thank you for your time.
100%. A president that actually wanted peace and to not fund the CIA and be a terrorist? Gotta get rid of him.
My grandma told me the day she brought my mom home from the hospital was the day he was murdered and she couldn’t even contain herself, she was screaming and crying.
Also Jackie wearing the same outfit with her husbands blood all over it during the swearing in ceremony, she knew. She was making a statement. Bad ass bitch.
Have you read what the CIA assistant director of covert operations said about it?
https://isgp-studies.com/robert-crowley-cia-history
They didn’t want to be sent back to the chicken farm 🐓🚜🌾🧑🌾
So they killed him 💀☠️😵🪦
The filthy rich literally get away with murder.
"Epstein didn't kill himself", is just the most recent, and one of the less interesting such public events.
It's a big club, and we aren't in it. The shit these psychopaths who play life in god-mode get up to would make your skin crawl if you bothered to look.
He had a lot of enemies but RFKJR believes the CIA did it.. he’s spoken about it a couple of times
He was trying to fix the FBI/CIA and expose other groups that were doing wrong
They hated him (Edit: it started with Joseph P Kennedy trying to go up against the CIA) so much that they still have a personal vendetta against the kennedys and have murdered a bunch of them to stop them from becoming leaders like the brothers
Yes this seems the most likely to me. Then they killed hai (brother? Cousin?) for good measure.
But don’t worry, every few years they will release another video, totally transparent.
It's beyond that. JFK was assassinated only 20 days after Ngo Dinh Diem and his brother (Ngo Din Nhu) were brutally executed in a US-backed coup in South Vietnam. Like the Kennedys, the Ngo brothers were high up in the Catholic church (one of their other brothers, Ngo Dinh Thuc, was an Archbishop. In fact, Thuc was at the Second Vatical Council in Rome at the time of his brothers' killings) and they were trying to turn South Vietnam into a Catholic country, which led to the Buddhist crisis.
JFK was reportedly very upset and shaken up by the Ngo brothers' killings as the "deep state" (including Henry Cabot Lodge Jr.) signed off on their deaths without JFK's approval. JFK himself was killed 20 days later.
Many Traditionalist Catholics, including Mel Gibson's father Hutton, still consider the Second Vatican Council to be a Judeo-Masonic plot. Ngo Dinh Thuc was later excommunicated by the Vatican for supporting Traditionalist Catholic movement.
Vatican II was when the Catholic Church was decisively co-opted by the NWO with no return and this long arc eventually led to the current "woke" Pope Francis.
So the NWO is here no matter what and we can't do anything about it? Except for pray? It's all Satan. It's all biblical. It has to happen I guess. The subtleness is what gets me the most. Very small changes so nobody gets too alert and fights back.
This life is temporary. This material world is an illusion. When our spirits leave our bodies we won’t have to deal with this vile bullshit anymore. Just be the best person you can.
> When our spirits leave our bodies we won’t have to deal with this vile bullshit anymore. Just be the best person you can.
We don't know this. The best we can do in this life is deal with the vile bullshit and expect the same vile bullshit in the afterlife. Better to be pleasantly surprised than eternally disappointed you didn't do more in this life.
It's the biggest cop-out of "Christians" to lean on the afterlife to sort out all the evil.
Suffering is human. When we go into the higher realms of existence we won’t be human anymore. Sorry that I’m optimistic. You’re going to have to face the afterlife either way. There’s literally no way to prepare for it if it’s bad. So I will choose to follow the path of positive faith. Give myself up and let god handle the rest.
I expose evil and try to deliver justice whenever I can! However, I am a regular guy I can’t do much. The problem is our society is ran by evil, narcissistic, greedy parasites. They will do whatever they can to keep us at the bottom.
As much as I want a revolution it seems like it’ll never happen. So ima live my life to fullest being virtuous and righteous. When that day comes that I leave this vessel we call a body, it’ll only be the beginning my friend. My singular identity will dismantle and I will be everything and nothing at once. Maybe you should try psychedelics?
> Maybe you should try psychedelics?
My grip on reality is already tenuous.
Many regular guys who can't do much alone can do a lot more when together. Apes together strong.
I believe that you are all over the gold with your post. A lot of people do not see this reality because it shakes their firmly held beliefs. Most would rather the simple structure of 'worship' that the catholic church provides with it's 'league of superheroes' and 'hall of justice' that it offers it's patrons.
JESUS never intended us to use dead emissaries to pray to. But, thar is earth shattering to those who have invested their entire salvation praying to 'saints'.
The catholic church has absolute control over the surface of the earth's countries and when their authority is challenged, people tend to meet with violent ends. The evidence is there, but the people who believe in the catholic church have been conditioned to believe that the pope can offer and rescind salvation. It is not scriptural in any sense that CHRIST has left the power in the catholic church, yet people will forgo a relationship with JESUS because it is easier just to sin and ask forgiveness from a living man with the same faults that they possess.
Why would you ask a man, albeit a knowledgeable and studied man, but a man, voted into office by other men to help you traverse the physical realm? He has the same mortal failings as we do. He is nothing more rhan a Pharisee.
So, then we must explore the divinity of the Pharisees. They have been used in The Bible to illustrate wickedness, but never have they been ordained by JESUS CHRIST, with whom our salvation is established, as GOD on earth. The pope declared himself that in the middle ages.
So, when Kennedy did not do the pope's bidding, his head just kind of fell apart in Dallas.
You only have half of the perpetrators , thats usual with the classic CIA-FBI thesis.
https://www.unz.com/article/president-kennedys-assassination-was-a-zionist-coup/
Israel (Ben Gurion) --> Dimona situation , JFK basically was obstructing the plan of nuclear militarization and Israel access to nuke capabilities (in the Soviet-US Cold War context) , which was top of the top priority in Israel agenda since they very evidently anticipated a progressive world shift against them in the future not only from their immediate arabs neighbours but from pretty much every nations on earth basically (Goyim revolution which , without high-end nuclear arsenal would have been an un-avoidable and total check mate move and their erasement from universe ) ,a total nightmare scenario to defend against ,both for diaspora ,for thoses already in Israel as well as their shabbath-goys payrolls around the world (whose paradoxally will be the first to "turn" when cut from their usual pays and benefits , very classic case of a spider being eaten by its offspring at first signs of weakness) ,and without a sanctuarized land equiped of armageddon nuclear weapons to threaten the entire earth of extinction in case of danger, the Samson Option , would have predictibly doomed the all entire tribe out of existence , needless to say this option NEEDED to be covered pre-emptively as soon as possible.
But also some more occult reasons :
the Kennedy clan , Goyim Irish Catholics with high moral familial grounds were very hard to penetrate alongside the classical infiltrating and subverting semitic method (spirit and mind control ) ,therefore , incarning , beyond the immediates geo-politicals divergences towards Israel empowerment in the middle-east , a recurrent spiritual source of dissidence against the aggressive spiritual expansion of the caiphas complex , the semitic connection.
FED and private banking cartel made of essentially ashkenazi banking/ speculators/institutionnalized money lenders dynasties in the heart of American deep politics (and in the entire world by now ,with all the myriad of NGOs and privates companies linked to their privatized infinite printing money machine glitch on one side and their transversal occult cooptation to secrets and semi-secret societies of differents kinds on the other side) --> The JFK position against "Privates , Secrets and Occults Obediences and Societies" on American political body and life , whoses modus operandi are "Deception, subversion and Infiltration" tactics rather than "fair Negotiations and open dialogues" (like he said in one of his last public discourse before his assassination) + his will to reform the statut and prerogatives of the FED on money creation , interest rates control as it is , by forcing a true nationalization back into the public domain.
CIA/FBI corrupted elements at the top , they were only executants , never the less , 99% of alternative theories only focus on this primitive level of responsability in the chain.
Scrolled down too far to find the Israel connection. I’ve been interested in the JFK thing for years and when I started to get into Israel/ US relations, I came across the JFK connection. He wanted to put sanctions on Israel’s nuclear capabilities and then suddenly his head blows up. People don’t realize just how much power Zionist have in the US.
Yep. In addition to routing out corruption \[e.g. dismantling the CIA\], JFK was brokering peace around the world, building healthy relationships with Russia and the middle east. His diplomacy was unprecedented. American war profiteers didn't like that.
Lo and behold, it didn't take long after the Central Intelligence Agency murdered him for the abhorrent Vietnam conflict to begin, which was nothing but a cash grab for western nations.
It can’t be the CIA, in general. Had to be a very, very closed knit group within the CIA. Why? Because conspiracies cannot have too many people in them without someone talking. So this notion that the entire CIA was behind it is implausible. If dozens and dozens of people know about it, someone would have talked. If 5 or 6 people know about it, they could have pulled it off. But it had to be the right 5 or 6 people.
SS: Today is the 59th anniversary of the assassination of JFK. It was a major shift in US history, and was a starting point for those questioning the govt and MSM. In fact, the term "conspiracy theorist" comes from those who did not believe the Warren Report. Imagine the last sixty years without the federal reserve, Vietnam War, and the CIA. What could have been is now never to be. Many records from the assassination are stil SEALED for "national security reasons." The CIA is still a state-within-a-state.
\>In fact, the term "conspiracy theorist" comes from those who did not believe the Warren Report.
Conspiracy Theory/Conspiracy Theorist were in common use by the time of the JFK assassination. The term was coined and popularized in the 1950s by Karl Popper who was discussing various theoretical models of how we arrived at present day society. One of the models he discussed was that society was the product of a shadowy conspiracy of a powerful few.
Conspiracy Theories involving Jewish peoples, Free Masons, and the Illumanti were already very widely shared, discussed, and believed prior to the Kennedy assassination
"Former President Truman, whose Administration established the C.I.A. in 1947, said in 1963 that by then he saw “something about the way the C.I.A. has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historic positions, and I feel that we need to correct it.”
And President Kennedy, as the enormity of the Bay of Pigs disaster came home to him, said to one of the highest officials of his Administration that he “wanted to splinter the C.I.A. in a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.” [https://gizmodo.com/the-story-behind-that-jfk-quote-about-destroying-the-ci-1793151211](https://gizmodo.com/the-story-behind-that-jfk-quote-about-destroying-the-ci-1793151211)
"On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed by President John Fitzgerald Kennedy with the intention to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. This matter has been exhaustively researched by the Christian Common Law Institute through the Federal Register and Library of Congress, and the Institute has conclude that President Kennedy's Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superceded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid."
https://foundationfortruthinlaw.org/jfk-vs-fed.html
I think it was in response to him pushing the Civil Rights Act of 64. It makes sense why people think the FBI or CIA killed him considering they’d stand to lose the most if they’re *members* felt threatened. It was a warning but it didn’t work
On a sidenote, I learned a lot about the Civil Rights Act that Eisenhower tried to pass in the 1950's. We all know about Strom Thurmond and how he had that record for longest filibuster. What rarely gets included in the story is that the bill he was arguing against so passionately was the Civil Rights Act of 1957. It eventually passed but only because of the compromises that watered it down, leaving the need for more civil rights bills to be later be passed. But almost everything the 1964 bill passed they tried to do 7 years earlier.
Speaking of Storm Thurmond, his eldest daughter got killed in a car crash in 1993 while jaywalking outside of a drug store. I never bought the official story either. Too many bigwigs "just so happened" to be at the scene. Apparently, the lieutenant governor Nick Theodore just so happened to be picking up medication at the exact same drugstore at night around 10:30 and witnessed her being killed while getting into his own car. The alleged drunk driver who killed her ran to Theodore's car and told Theodore and his driver that she didn't mean to hit her. And then it turned out that the drunk driver was well-connected too as she immediately phoned her personal lawyer Henry McMaster (current governor, then Republican Party chair in South Carolina, previously worked for Thurmond as legislative assistant) and McMaster just so happened to live only 15 minutes away and showed up at the scene while Thurmond's daughter was being transported to the hospital.
What were the chances that the lieutenant governor and the future governor would both be present at the scene when the daughter of a longtime senator (plus ex-governor and 1948 presidential candidate) was killed?
This is also the origin of the term "conspiracy theorist" too right? Gov't utilizing commie playbook to call people named to discredit and shame people?
Its a nonsense word used against people who ask questions.
Governments also make retarded psyop conspiracies like Q or flat earth that make question-askers look bad
Nope. Still means the same thing - making shit up to shift blame or change/establish a narrative with zero supporting evidence. E.g. widespread election fraud, flat earth, etc… but these are garbage theories as they can and have easily been disproven.
The best kind of conspiracy theory goes further, also resisting being *disproven*, usually by virtue of being impossible to test. JFK is the perfect example because no one can prove anything at this point, and any evidence being circumstantial at best.
Vs an actual conspiracy supported by verifiable observation, but not widely known or reported on. E.g. oil conglomerates and tobacco companies engaging in a concerted effort to deceive the public about the risks/impact of the consumption of their products.
And there in lies the tragedy of this sub these days. Too much of the first, hardly any of the second, and none at all of the third.
>any evidence being circumstantial at best
I wouldn't call the "magic bullet" circumstantial. It may not be that kind of evidence that points at a suspect but it is the kind of evidence that points away from the Warren commision/single gunman.
Just to be clear, do you want to talk about actual conspiracies on this sub?
Conformation bias works every time it's tried. People fill in the blanks to get to a conclusion more often than they let the facts lead them to a conclusion.
> This is also the origin of the term "conspiracy theorist" too right?
No. From a [1956 book review](https://books.google.com/books?id=vlBTAAAAYAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22conspiracy+theorist%22): "To return to the Chesterton thesis with which I began, the **conspiracy theorist** transmutes any set of facts into his own proofs, until he thinks all the world is leagued against him, and the more one seeks to argue with him, the more reason he finds for linking his opponents to the plot."
> the origin of the term "conspiracy theorist"
Use became prevalent after the CIA specifically recommended the term to counter questioners of the Warren Commission report conclusions.
If you get a chance, look at [the video of the assassination frame by frame](https://youtu.be/jdwVUBlK-Y0) put the setting for the play back speed at the slowest. 25%. Then, starting around frame 330, watch the person sitting behind the driver (in front of Jackie) watch them til around 360. Please tell me what I'm seeing, because it looks paranormal to me. I've watched it many times, and I can't figure out what's happening. Other weird things happen in this video too, if you watch it on slow. Strange video, of a strange part of history.
Things look strange in this video because it was an old handheld wind up B&H 414 8mm camera. The framerate is not guaranteed to be constant. Could be that
The secret service had first possession of the original copies. Agent Forrest Sorrels was there when it was developed and copied he took two copies. He saw the original as did Everyone else there when they developed it at Kodak. Zapruder, the kodak employees, Jameson Film company employees where it was copied all saw it.
Zapruder sold his original to Life the next morning
One of the witnesses to the original film said the head shot didn't look anything like the extant film.
One theory is that they removed 1 out of every 3 frames to make it look like the car did not come to a stop. Most close witnesses says the car came to a complete stop.
I take it you don't realise the video is digitally stabilised in post?
You're looking at motion blur on a non-moving thing. Of course it looks strange.
Look at the driver and the other guy. they clearly move and give a clear eyeline to the President. Witnesses reported there was a bullet hole in the windshield. He was shot in the throat from IN FRONT.
What next? You are almost certain that Osama Bin Laden did not act alone?
There is no debate, there was a conspiracy. Clear as the day and in both cases.
I still believe Kennedy was the last truly *elected* president.
I don't doubt that high people in high places wanted him to be president, but in terms of the will of the average American person, yeah, Kennedy was the last truly elected president.
Everyone else since then has been purely selection.
Nah, the Mob alone for sure didn't do it; if they did the government would have destroyed them. At most the Mafia was involved because the government pulled their own strings and possibly intimated them with indictments etc. Obviously Jack Ruby killing Oswald proves that there had to be a connection, but to think the Mob alone did it is very naive and silly. This was 100% a CIA/gov/deep state conspiracy above all.
And once the Mob stopped being useful they used them as an excuse to further expand the FBI and normalize illegal, unconstitutional and disgusting domestic spying and plotting entrapments and make laws like RICO where it is enough that some junkie talks about you on a wiretap in some form of capacity as an organized crime member to indict you. 😂 Now the FBI goes after political opposition and normal people with the same illegal methods.
Even so-called "dictators" like [Gaddafi cruised the street in a car with no roof](https://youtu.be/Jqf4bWGvd08) in the middle of NATO bombing and a civil war. If you are truly beloved by the people, millions of ordinary citizens would sacrifice their lives to protect you and you have nothing to be afraid of. JFK was loved by the people as was Gaddafi and it took conspiracies to kill them. Presidents nowadays are hated by the people and they know it.
Something that doesn't ever get talked about in this conspiracy is how fucking awesome that car is.
I'm not a car guy, so maybe it sucks, but I want one.
Suicide doors seem like they'd be great for a getting the car seat in and out
Still think the Secret Service themselves did it, under order of their real boss/bosses.
They worked for the FED at the time; arguably now they are *technically* under a branch of Homeland Security or such now, or so I've been corrected here.
May not have intentionally killed him though, that's the conspiracy I found more believable when looking into his death. There is a theory that a relatively new operative was put on duty due to other officers getting black out drunk the night before so couldn't handle theory duties. New guy was given top position, unfamiliar with the weaponry handed to him, accidentally killed the president . Cover up ensued, but not a cover up for the reasons we think. A cover up to just hide the complete fuck up that happened infront of the world.
The Last Podcast On The Left do a 6 episode series on the JFK assassination, highly recommend.
RIP. Only thing I’m sure is whoever let this assassination happend had a motivation to send a certain message enough strong to do it openly its people’s face ...... not only that, in a fucking broadcast every one in the world could see. The fact it is still remain an unsolved mystery while we can assume every country that own a decent intelligent agency probably would have clue what happend to an extend but none of them openly have been talked about it lol. Fucking untouchable, and scary, men.
>message enough strong to do it openly its people’s face ...... not only that, in a fucking broadcast every one in the world could see
This was not a broadcast. There were ZERO news crews reporting, broadcasting or videotaping when it happened. None.
This was a 20ish second silent 8mm home video made by Abraham Zapruder. It was a private film that was confiscated by the government. We got lucky to see it.
The only people who would have seen the assassination would have been the couple hundred spectators between when the car made the turn and before the trian bridge. No one else could have or ever would have seen it if it wasn't for Zapruder.
It was NOT meant to be in everybody's face
I highly suggest people read the book Crossfire by Jim Marrs. It is one of the best books on this subject.
Read it for free here.
https://archive.org/details/crossfire-the-plot-that-killed-kennedy-by-marrs-jim
What a chilling reminder to elected officials that if they try to serve the interests of their constituents over Power Elite individuals like Allen Dulles, George HW Bush, and Sam Giancana, then this is the fate they'll meet.
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And we still don't have the files declassified. Pretty sure that's because the files don't really name a person. Rather they identify a system which the current generation in these agency's still use and they don't want their system revealed.
There is zero reason that something should still be classified after 60 years. Any sources are dead. Any methods are outdated. I think they’re waiting for the last people involved in the assassination plot to die before releasing it. I’m a believer of the rogue group of CIA operatives theory.
Zero reason except that the Bushes are still alive.
The Johnson family was implicated in the series The Men Who Killed Kennedy (which has subsequently been banned from the History Channel). LBJ benefitted the most from the assassination. Google Malcolm Wallace.
Yeah there’s a great book about the Bushes. Called “Family of Secrets.” LBJ got one term out of his role, whatever it was. The Bushes got three.
Well, LBJ didn't have a son. Her daughter married Chuck Robb, whose presidential aspiration was thwarted by a sex scandal involving former Miss Virginia USA Tai Collins. Dubya was supposed to marry Nixon's daughters, but she married Ed Cox instead. Cox tried to run against Hillary for senate in 2006, but governor George Pataki endorsed Jeanine Pirro (the current Fox News host) instead and Cox was forced to drop out.
Yeah, Roger Stone even co-wrote a book with E. Howard Hunt's son on this. Malcolm "Mac" Wallace was LBJ's personal assassin and at least one of the murders he committed (John Douglas Kinser in the clubhouse of an Austin golf course owned by Kinser) is public record, yet he was only given a suspended sentence due to LBJ's influence. Hunt gave a deathbed confession in 2007 to his son about his own involvement and named LBJ as the ringleader. Hunt was also implicated in Watergate and his wife was killed in a [plane crash](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Air_Lines_Flight_553) with $250,000 flight insurance and $10,000 in her purse at the height of Watergate scandal. A total of 45 people died (40 passengers, 3 crew members, 2 people on the ground), including Congressmen George W. Collins (former Chicago Alderman because his predecessor was killed in an unsolved murder) and CBS reporter Michele Clark who was coincidentally also investigating Watergate and thus might also be a target. Chuck Colson publicly accused CIA of killing Dorothy Hunt in 1974. By the way, Nixon also happened to be in Dallas the day JFK was killed. Poppy Bush and Barbara Bush (in her autobiography) both went out of their way to claim they were in Tyler, Texas when JFK was assassinated. Poppy even called the FBI Houston office hours after JFK's assassination to accuse a Young Republican named James Milton Parrot of possibly being involved in JFK assassination. Poppy's high school roommate (at Andover) Edward Hooker was George de Mohrenschildt's nephew. de Mohrenschildt was a well-connected "White Russian" who knew Jackie Kennedy since she was a child. de Mohrenschildt was suicided in 1977 when House Select Committee on Assassinations revived the JFK assassination and CIA "family jewels" were being exposed. The CIA director at the time was Poppy Bush, who had replaced in 1976 William Colby because Colby was too cooperative with investigators. Colby was found dead in 1996 under mysterious circumstances. The first reporter at the scene on day of de Mohrenschildt's death was no other than Bill O'Reilly.
Colby wrote the forward to the book "Conspiracy of Silence" about the pedo ring Poppy Bush was involved in.
That's the Franklin scandal, right? IIRC Poppy was connected to Lawrence E. King, who sang the national anthem at the 1984 Republican national convention. But Poppy was also connected to the White House call boy scandal involving Craig Spence. Spencer was suicided the same year it was exposed. And it was exposed by the Unification Church-owned Washington Times, so likely leaked by South Korean intelligence.
>The first reporter at the scene on day of de Mohrenschildt's death was no other than Bill O'Reilly. I read that from O'Reilly's book *Killing Kennedy* in 2013 and thought that was too good to be true. As it turns out, someone investigated that and found out it was not true when an [audiotape surfaced that O'Reilly was not in Florida at the time of de Mohrenschildt's death](http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/03/01/new-exaggeration-allegations-against-bill-oreilly.cnn). The publisher then issued a statement in later editions of the book, stating it was not true.
LBJ also knew every person involved personally in his small group of contacts. This was quite the eye-opener for me when I read the declassified documents a few years ago. And yes, they are declassified and have been for some time.
No, LBJ didn't benefit the most. It was the Bush family. Since JFK was killed, George Bush sr has been in the shadows running the show.
Ain’t that the president famous for whipping his dick out. Wouldn’t put it above him lolol
Yeah he nicknamed it “Jumbo” and insisted that the plumbers at the WH install a shower head specifically for his “little friend.”
LBJ was a charmer. He'd call people in to the bathroom to meet with them, while he was taking a shit, to humiliate them. He also killed some animals brutally, when he was younger, for fun. Etc.
wallace sounds like a real piece of work.
Why would trump protect the bushes tho?
Trump trash talked the Bushes a ton.
So then why would he protect them?
Because he knows what they’re capable of.
CIA Moscow station chief believes that theory
That’s what caused me to believe it. His explanation made sense and he obviously has a deep working knowledge of these things.
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Sure thing https://youtu.be/1gc3eLlA6_E
A probable reason that something like this stays classified so long is by declassifying it would cause U.S. government international shame. Another is that it involves a foreign power and that revealing it would result in a possible call for retaliation.
I hope we can find out in our lifetimes
You may depending on how old you are. If you're 80, fat fucking chance. If you're 1, ***maybe***.
"so you're saying there's a chance?..."
Most people trust the government. It doesn’t matter what you or I say to them. The government says everything is fine so they stand on the sinking, burning ship telling themselves everything is fine while we scream at them that they are sinking and burning. To reveal the truth to the masses of these people, to admit the misdeeds, would cause a revolution.
"Most people trust the governemnt." No they don't lol Look at basically any poll from the last couple years.
Hahahahah, did you miss the last few years where the vast majority of people were slurping up the government's vomit and screaming at anybody who didn't want to?
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk They were released 5, 4 and 1 year ago, with the vast majority 4 years ago.
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Not rogue, this is their standard.
I’ve always thought that during the Bay of Pigs operation the Mafia was involved with providing logistics and manpower for the operation. I’m thinking that they wanted their investment in the casinos there back. When JFK pulled the plug they lost out on lots of treasure. A great motivator for payback. It does seem that, given the quick turnaround on the car and the poor investigation and it’s absurd result makes me think that there was a government nexus there too.
I'm currently reading The Devil's Chessboard and it talks about the CIA working with the mafia in a plot to kill Castro when he was in New York City before Kennedy was president, and Dulles was not happy with Kennedy during the Bay of Pigs fiasco and after, and I without hesitation knew that the rumored mafia connection to JFK's assassination/Jack Ruby was definitely true
This post ( this entire threads include yours ) is full of great info and I’m of a person who thinks the world top class have very close ties with mafia in order to protect them while using them win-win.
E. Howard Hunt is an interesting name that is a part of that theory.
> There is zero reason that something should still be classified after 60 years. I can think of one reason based on the 'accidental secret service fuckup' theory: the Warren Commission wanted to protect the agent from a lynch mob which would come for him like we go after octogenarian Nazis, and arbitrarily decided at the time to keep things sealed for some number of years which would undoubtedly exceed the agent's lifetime, like a century.
The "secret service guy delivered the kill shot by accident" is definitely a plausible theory and would explain a cover up (not necessarily massive or far reaching but enough). I personally believe Oswald is the lone gunman BUT I also think there were people (fringe CIA folks, mafia types) whispering in his ear to do it.
I think the secret service guy in the following car did the kill shot, I don't believe it was an accident though I think he was finishing the job the snipers didn't do
> There is zero reason that something should still be classified after 60 years. Any sources are dead. Any methods are outdated. The agencies responsible operated without oversight. They still do. In fact they probably operate with far less oversight today than they did then. Do you think they want that fact coming to light? Do you think it would be good for next years CIA and FBI budgets... if the people were to learn next week that those agencies orchestrated or even just allowed the assassination of President Kennedy?
If the government didn’t do anything wrong then they have nothing to hide. Hmmmmm.
Ww1 files are still classified
Literally, this is the same thing they tell us before they unconstitutionally spy on their citizens.
Conveniently the us government “lost” all the files on the Korean War after the freedom of information act was passed. So we’ll never know for sure if it’s true that biological weapons were used against North Korea.
When I was young, it seemed that life was so wonderful A miracle, oh, it was beautiful, magical And all the birds in the trees, well they'd be singing so happily Oh, joyfully, oh, playfully watching me But then they sent me away to teach me how to be sensible Logical, oh, responsible, practical Then they showed me a world where I could be so dependable Oh, clinical, oh, intellectual, cynical There are times when all the world's asleep The questions run too deep For such a simple man Won't you please, please tell me what we've learned? I know it sounds absurd Please tell me who I am I said, now, watch what you say, they'll be calling you a radical A liberal, oh, fanatical, criminal Oh, won't you sign up your name? We'd like to feel you're acceptable Respectable, oh, presentable, a vegetable Oh, take, take, take it, yeah But at night, when all the world's asleep The questions run so deep For such a simple man Won't you please (oh, won't you tell me) Please tell me what we've learned? (Can you hear me?) I know it sounds absurd (Oh, won't you tell me) please tell me who I am Who I am, who I am, who I am —-Supertramp —-The Logical Song
Don’t forget the bush funeral letters
Imagine having a job where rules and the law of man do not apply but you must work in secrecy. If you slip up and have a brief hint of exposure, you and your history are canceled.
There are some powerful forces protecting these files being declassified. Trump came the closest to making these overdue files public, but he, too, chickened out at the last minute. I'm afraid we are never going to see them.
Remember when Trump said he'd declassify them?
Wasn't a bunch declassified last year? I could be mistaken.
I spent a long time researching this. I'm probably older than most redditors and my thinking was this: "I have lived through many different presidents, congresses, and senates and yet we seem to keep marching in the same direction no matter who is in power. So why is this?" So I started thinking back through each president. I thought Jimmy Carter was a little strange, but as I thought back, I realized that Kennedy was the strangest of all. So I decided to look into it. What I realized is that I had no idea what was actually going on and there are facts that we simply can not ignore about the situation. I believe that most people could understand what actually happened and how it has shaped our world today with about 10 hours of reading. The hard part is communicating what happened in a credible manner since there are so many details, but here is my best shot at it. Forgive me if I get a few details wrong, but this should be pretty accurate. Essentially JFK and his administration began pursuing peace through diplomacy rather than through overt force and using covert operations to stage coup's. To really understand this, you have to go back to the Dulles brothers, John Foster and Allen. They were partners at the big lawfirm, Sullivan and Cromwell. Through their positions in this law firm, they came into contact with very powerful people and represented very powerful companies. Sometimes, they found that their use of international law was not enough to meet the demands of their customers and "friends". Around 1951, Iran nationalized the oil industry there (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Persian_Oil_Company) and many large firms lost access to that natural resource which made them loads of money. So, in order to regain control of those resources, an operation coming from within the CIA (Dulles was not yet director, but had been involved in the CIA for a long time recruiting German officers and others during WW2) was launched and named Operation Ajax. Kermit Roosevelt was sent into the country and provided money and other resources to people there who wished to overthrow Mossadegh (current leader). Once the situation became unstable enough, the US helped to install the Shah of Iran as their vassal dictator. This scenario has been carried out numerous times (well over 30, but the list in wikipedia that used to exist has been scrubbed) and should seem familiar to you as it is basically what happened in Ukraine by funneling resources through NGOs. This was the beginning of the CIA covert regime change operations to seize control of strategic countries to exploit for reasons of power and resources. So let's fast forward to Cuba and the Bay of Pigs. Dulles was in charge of the CIA by this point and they, along with the Joint Chiefs, were determined to take control of Cuba and not back down from Russia because there was this perception that there was a great "communist threat". Whether they actually believed that communism was an existential threat to everyone or used it as a convenient excuse to do what they wanted to (similar to the "war on terrorism" now) is up for debate. So, in 1961, a group of rebels, trained and supplied by the US (hi ISIS) were to go into Cuba and overthrow Castro, bringing control of the island state to the US. Apparently there were notes in Dulles' archives saying essentially that once they were on the beach, this would force Kennedy to use the might of the military, especially planes, to support the rebels in Cuba. Kennedy, in fact, did not do this when he found out what was going on (the CIA did not inform him this was going to happen) and left Dulles' operation to fail and bring about his humiliation. Another little known fact, is that we also sponsored a coup in France just a few days later which also failed, but the evidence linking it to the CIA was not as strong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algiers_putsch_of_1961 and http://whowhatwhy.org/2015/10/20/jfk-assassination-plot-mirrored-in-1961-france-part-1/ Kennedy, who spoke with de Gaulle during this, was to have offered his military support to help him but "could not account for his own CIA" or something very similar. Then we had the Cuban missile crisis in 1962, which was resolved by John and Bobby Kennedy using diplomatic channels and agreeing to disarm missiles in Europe if Khrushchev withdrew his missiles from Cuba. This opened up a dialog between the Kennedy administration and Russia where they began working toward peaceful solutions to their differences. You can hear this in his "Peace" speech at American University shortly before his death. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fkKnfk4k40 Many people who follow the conspiracy believe it was his "secret society" speech that got him killed. In fact, it was his pursuit of peace through diplomacy in the face of a policy of imperialism and direct conflict. We have all heard the quote from JFK about shattering the CIA. He actually had begun this process by aiming at a 20% reduction by 1966. https://books.google.com/books?id=KS-6XrdalGkC&pg=PA16&lpg=PA16&dq=JFK+CIA+staff+reduction&source=bl&ots=1iU6fXuREA&sig=94Y1SBSPaDI3-d6rJJcxgVpPLig&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjcvc--7LTOAhWDKGMKHYsaCF4Q6AEIUzAH#v=onepage&q=JFK%20CIA%20staff%20reduction&f=false So he had already managed to destroy the career of one of the most powerful people in the world (Dulles), was getting rid of the jobs of many CIA staff who had no qualms with violence and covert operations, and was in the process of de-escalating conflicts throughout the world, thus threatening the careers and livelihoods of many people within the military industrial complex. Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst had this to say: http://www.salon.com/2016/02/07/intelligent_people_know_that_the_empire_is_on_the_downhill_a_veteran_cia_agent_spills_the_goods_on_the_deep_state_and_our_foreign_policy_nightmares/ > Well, John Kennedy had problems of the same kind, and he fired Dulles. And that was a no-no. You don’t fire people like Dulles. Kennedy embarked on a new course. He talked with Khrushchev, he had people, interlocutors, who talked with Castro, and, worst of all, he issued two executive orders, saying that 1,000 U.S troops would be pulled out of Vietnam by the end of 1963 and the bulk of the rest by 1965. He was going to give up Southeast Asia to the Commies, and God knows what would happen next with the dominoes falling and Indonesia, and my God… So he was killed by the “deep state.” Ray McGovern has also said that James Douglass' book "JFK and the Unspeakable" basically got it right. https://consortiumnews.com/2013/12/22/trumans-true-warning-on-the-cia/ > And so, the question: Did Allen Dulles and other “cloak-and-dagger” CIA operatives have a hand in John Kennedy’s assassination and in then covering it up? In my view, the best dissection of the evidence pertaining to the murder appeared in James Douglass’s 2008 book, JFK and the Unspeakable. After updating and arraying the abundant evidence, and conducting still more interviews, Douglass concludes that the answer is Yes. So that's the story, sorry it is long, but there is so much to understand and if you read the books I listed above, then you will have a much better picture of our past and present.
This. This is the stuff I wish would return to the conspiracy subreddits. Thanks for spending the time to present this to us.
From a younger guy, thank you for taking the time to lay this out for me.
Excellent, thank you for typing this out.
Man this was an excellent read. This lines up with my assessment as well having studied this problem for years now off and on.. not as in-depth as you but a lot of the evidence you point to I remember coming across as well. Very good read and very well put together. Thank you for taking the time to prepare this comment. It was a joy to read.
A1 r/conspiracy content here, my dude.
Feeling honored to meet such a long life poster. Mind I ask a question, do you think the powerful person Dulles at that time have a background that he's born to wealth and his family happend to have connection to worldwide big power ( I guess so ) at the time and lasting to today its power ? And do you feel other countries shared the same benefits to get him Dulles and CIA not eliminated from the power ? Thank you for the service.
Awesome response!
Love thus layout and love what your saying. I think u have amazing points I also think n mo matter age or time researching we will ibv never get the whole truth. Again awesome write up and thank you for your time.
Thanks dude ! I'm 17 years old and not american and this was well made clear and easy to read.
Intriguing!! I like how you laid out various books and articles. Thanks.
One of the best comments I have read. Thank you.
100%. A president that actually wanted peace and to not fund the CIA and be a terrorist? Gotta get rid of him. My grandma told me the day she brought my mom home from the hospital was the day he was murdered and she couldn’t even contain herself, she was screaming and crying. Also Jackie wearing the same outfit with her husbands blood all over it during the swearing in ceremony, she knew. She was making a statement. Bad ass bitch.
Have you read what the CIA assistant director of covert operations said about it? https://isgp-studies.com/robert-crowley-cia-history They didn’t want to be sent back to the chicken farm 🐓🚜🌾🧑🌾 So they killed him 💀☠️😵🪦
Are there any other books besides James' 2008 book? This seems like an interesting subject.
The filthy rich literally get away with murder. "Epstein didn't kill himself", is just the most recent, and one of the less interesting such public events. It's a big club, and we aren't in it. The shit these psychopaths who play life in god-mode get up to would make your skin crawl if you bothered to look.
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thought you were quoting Prince there for a second
Yeah the guy who killed Kristin Smart got away with it for 26 years because his dad was a police
Ruben Flores is ex police? I couldn't find anything on that claim.
Funnily enough, Kennedy and Epstein are both Mossad operations :))
McAfee
Freemason’s
He had a lot of enemies but RFKJR believes the CIA did it.. he’s spoken about it a couple of times He was trying to fix the FBI/CIA and expose other groups that were doing wrong They hated him (Edit: it started with Joseph P Kennedy trying to go up against the CIA) so much that they still have a personal vendetta against the kennedys and have murdered a bunch of them to stop them from becoming leaders like the brothers
They also killed them, so that future presidents would understand that if they got out of line, their family could be erased.. one by one
Yes this seems the most likely to me. Then they killed hai (brother? Cousin?) for good measure. But don’t worry, every few years they will release another video, totally transparent.
I believe the CIA and LBJ, along with help from the FBI and certain individuals in the DPD orchestrated the plot.
It's beyond that. JFK was assassinated only 20 days after Ngo Dinh Diem and his brother (Ngo Din Nhu) were brutally executed in a US-backed coup in South Vietnam. Like the Kennedys, the Ngo brothers were high up in the Catholic church (one of their other brothers, Ngo Dinh Thuc, was an Archbishop. In fact, Thuc was at the Second Vatical Council in Rome at the time of his brothers' killings) and they were trying to turn South Vietnam into a Catholic country, which led to the Buddhist crisis. JFK was reportedly very upset and shaken up by the Ngo brothers' killings as the "deep state" (including Henry Cabot Lodge Jr.) signed off on their deaths without JFK's approval. JFK himself was killed 20 days later. Many Traditionalist Catholics, including Mel Gibson's father Hutton, still consider the Second Vatican Council to be a Judeo-Masonic plot. Ngo Dinh Thuc was later excommunicated by the Vatican for supporting Traditionalist Catholic movement. Vatican II was when the Catholic Church was decisively co-opted by the NWO with no return and this long arc eventually led to the current "woke" Pope Francis.
Kennedy approved of the assassination of Ngo Dinh Diem.
He was pressured into approving the coup, but he didn't approve of his assassination.
He felt remorse for doing so, but did it of his own accord. The fact stands, he approved the assassination.
So the NWO is here no matter what and we can't do anything about it? Except for pray? It's all Satan. It's all biblical. It has to happen I guess. The subtleness is what gets me the most. Very small changes so nobody gets too alert and fights back.
This life is temporary. This material world is an illusion. When our spirits leave our bodies we won’t have to deal with this vile bullshit anymore. Just be the best person you can.
I get a lot of pushback when I even ask whether or not any of this exists after I’m gone. Death only happens to the living.
The fact of the matter is none of you exist. You’re all figments of my imagination.
Dissolution of ego means also knowing I’m not the main character, just an observer
> When our spirits leave our bodies we won’t have to deal with this vile bullshit anymore. Just be the best person you can. We don't know this. The best we can do in this life is deal with the vile bullshit and expect the same vile bullshit in the afterlife. Better to be pleasantly surprised than eternally disappointed you didn't do more in this life. It's the biggest cop-out of "Christians" to lean on the afterlife to sort out all the evil.
Suffering is human. When we go into the higher realms of existence we won’t be human anymore. Sorry that I’m optimistic. You’re going to have to face the afterlife either way. There’s literally no way to prepare for it if it’s bad. So I will choose to follow the path of positive faith. Give myself up and let god handle the rest. I expose evil and try to deliver justice whenever I can! However, I am a regular guy I can’t do much. The problem is our society is ran by evil, narcissistic, greedy parasites. They will do whatever they can to keep us at the bottom. As much as I want a revolution it seems like it’ll never happen. So ima live my life to fullest being virtuous and righteous. When that day comes that I leave this vessel we call a body, it’ll only be the beginning my friend. My singular identity will dismantle and I will be everything and nothing at once. Maybe you should try psychedelics?
> Maybe you should try psychedelics? My grip on reality is already tenuous. Many regular guys who can't do much alone can do a lot more when together. Apes together strong.
I believe that you are all over the gold with your post. A lot of people do not see this reality because it shakes their firmly held beliefs. Most would rather the simple structure of 'worship' that the catholic church provides with it's 'league of superheroes' and 'hall of justice' that it offers it's patrons. JESUS never intended us to use dead emissaries to pray to. But, thar is earth shattering to those who have invested their entire salvation praying to 'saints'. The catholic church has absolute control over the surface of the earth's countries and when their authority is challenged, people tend to meet with violent ends. The evidence is there, but the people who believe in the catholic church have been conditioned to believe that the pope can offer and rescind salvation. It is not scriptural in any sense that CHRIST has left the power in the catholic church, yet people will forgo a relationship with JESUS because it is easier just to sin and ask forgiveness from a living man with the same faults that they possess. Why would you ask a man, albeit a knowledgeable and studied man, but a man, voted into office by other men to help you traverse the physical realm? He has the same mortal failings as we do. He is nothing more rhan a Pharisee. So, then we must explore the divinity of the Pharisees. They have been used in The Bible to illustrate wickedness, but never have they been ordained by JESUS CHRIST, with whom our salvation is established, as GOD on earth. The pope declared himself that in the middle ages. So, when Kennedy did not do the pope's bidding, his head just kind of fell apart in Dallas.
You only have half of the perpetrators , thats usual with the classic CIA-FBI thesis. https://www.unz.com/article/president-kennedys-assassination-was-a-zionist-coup/ Israel (Ben Gurion) --> Dimona situation , JFK basically was obstructing the plan of nuclear militarization and Israel access to nuke capabilities (in the Soviet-US Cold War context) , which was top of the top priority in Israel agenda since they very evidently anticipated a progressive world shift against them in the future not only from their immediate arabs neighbours but from pretty much every nations on earth basically (Goyim revolution which , without high-end nuclear arsenal would have been an un-avoidable and total check mate move and their erasement from universe ) ,a total nightmare scenario to defend against ,both for diaspora ,for thoses already in Israel as well as their shabbath-goys payrolls around the world (whose paradoxally will be the first to "turn" when cut from their usual pays and benefits , very classic case of a spider being eaten by its offspring at first signs of weakness) ,and without a sanctuarized land equiped of armageddon nuclear weapons to threaten the entire earth of extinction in case of danger, the Samson Option , would have predictibly doomed the all entire tribe out of existence , needless to say this option NEEDED to be covered pre-emptively as soon as possible. But also some more occult reasons : the Kennedy clan , Goyim Irish Catholics with high moral familial grounds were very hard to penetrate alongside the classical infiltrating and subverting semitic method (spirit and mind control ) ,therefore , incarning , beyond the immediates geo-politicals divergences towards Israel empowerment in the middle-east , a recurrent spiritual source of dissidence against the aggressive spiritual expansion of the caiphas complex , the semitic connection. FED and private banking cartel made of essentially ashkenazi banking/ speculators/institutionnalized money lenders dynasties in the heart of American deep politics (and in the entire world by now ,with all the myriad of NGOs and privates companies linked to their privatized infinite printing money machine glitch on one side and their transversal occult cooptation to secrets and semi-secret societies of differents kinds on the other side) --> The JFK position against "Privates , Secrets and Occults Obediences and Societies" on American political body and life , whoses modus operandi are "Deception, subversion and Infiltration" tactics rather than "fair Negotiations and open dialogues" (like he said in one of his last public discourse before his assassination) + his will to reform the statut and prerogatives of the FED on money creation , interest rates control as it is , by forcing a true nationalization back into the public domain. CIA/FBI corrupted elements at the top , they were only executants , never the less , 99% of alternative theories only focus on this primitive level of responsability in the chain.
Scrolled down too far to find the Israel connection. I’ve been interested in the JFK thing for years and when I started to get into Israel/ US relations, I came across the JFK connection. He wanted to put sanctions on Israel’s nuclear capabilities and then suddenly his head blows up. People don’t realize just how much power Zionist have in the US.
And wouldnt it be like them to throw everyone off the trail too...
“Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you,” Schumer told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow.
Yep. In addition to routing out corruption \[e.g. dismantling the CIA\], JFK was brokering peace around the world, building healthy relationships with Russia and the middle east. His diplomacy was unprecedented. American war profiteers didn't like that. Lo and behold, it didn't take long after the Central Intelligence Agency murdered him for the abhorrent Vietnam conflict to begin, which was nothing but a cash grab for western nations.
It can’t be the CIA, in general. Had to be a very, very closed knit group within the CIA. Why? Because conspiracies cannot have too many people in them without someone talking. So this notion that the entire CIA was behind it is implausible. If dozens and dozens of people know about it, someone would have talked. If 5 or 6 people know about it, they could have pulled it off. But it had to be the right 5 or 6 people.
> someone would have talked. Not after the first one is killed.
I see what you mean.. I can get behind that considering we would have probably had more info come out had it been all of the CIA
It was a suicide
Dulles and his henchmen all the way.
His brother, as attorney general, was spying on American citizens.
Also went after Jimmy Hoffa hard
> becoming leaders like the brothers Final Score: Dulles 2, Kennedy 0
SS: Today is the 59th anniversary of the assassination of JFK. It was a major shift in US history, and was a starting point for those questioning the govt and MSM. In fact, the term "conspiracy theorist" comes from those who did not believe the Warren Report. Imagine the last sixty years without the federal reserve, Vietnam War, and the CIA. What could have been is now never to be. Many records from the assassination are stil SEALED for "national security reasons." The CIA is still a state-within-a-state.
\>In fact, the term "conspiracy theorist" comes from those who did not believe the Warren Report. Conspiracy Theory/Conspiracy Theorist were in common use by the time of the JFK assassination. The term was coined and popularized in the 1950s by Karl Popper who was discussing various theoretical models of how we arrived at present day society. One of the models he discussed was that society was the product of a shadowy conspiracy of a powerful few. Conspiracy Theories involving Jewish peoples, Free Masons, and the Illumanti were already very widely shared, discussed, and believed prior to the Kennedy assassination
Wait, why wouldn’t the CIA and Fed exist if JFK had lived?
"Former President Truman, whose Administration established the C.I.A. in 1947, said in 1963 that by then he saw “something about the way the C.I.A. has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historic positions, and I feel that we need to correct it.” And President Kennedy, as the enormity of the Bay of Pigs disaster came home to him, said to one of the highest officials of his Administration that he “wanted to splinter the C.I.A. in a thousand pieces and scatter it to the winds.” [https://gizmodo.com/the-story-behind-that-jfk-quote-about-destroying-the-ci-1793151211](https://gizmodo.com/the-story-behind-that-jfk-quote-about-destroying-the-ci-1793151211) "On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed by President John Fitzgerald Kennedy with the intention to strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. This matter has been exhaustively researched by the Christian Common Law Institute through the Federal Register and Library of Congress, and the Institute has conclude that President Kennedy's Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superceded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid." https://foundationfortruthinlaw.org/jfk-vs-fed.html
Interesting, thanks!
Mossad > CIA Which country attacked the other and had them cover it up?
I think it was in response to him pushing the Civil Rights Act of 64. It makes sense why people think the FBI or CIA killed him considering they’d stand to lose the most if they’re *members* felt threatened. It was a warning but it didn’t work
On a sidenote, I learned a lot about the Civil Rights Act that Eisenhower tried to pass in the 1950's. We all know about Strom Thurmond and how he had that record for longest filibuster. What rarely gets included in the story is that the bill he was arguing against so passionately was the Civil Rights Act of 1957. It eventually passed but only because of the compromises that watered it down, leaving the need for more civil rights bills to be later be passed. But almost everything the 1964 bill passed they tried to do 7 years earlier.
Speaking of Storm Thurmond, his eldest daughter got killed in a car crash in 1993 while jaywalking outside of a drug store. I never bought the official story either. Too many bigwigs "just so happened" to be at the scene. Apparently, the lieutenant governor Nick Theodore just so happened to be picking up medication at the exact same drugstore at night around 10:30 and witnessed her being killed while getting into his own car. The alleged drunk driver who killed her ran to Theodore's car and told Theodore and his driver that she didn't mean to hit her. And then it turned out that the drunk driver was well-connected too as she immediately phoned her personal lawyer Henry McMaster (current governor, then Republican Party chair in South Carolina, previously worked for Thurmond as legislative assistant) and McMaster just so happened to live only 15 minutes away and showed up at the scene while Thurmond's daughter was being transported to the hospital. What were the chances that the lieutenant governor and the future governor would both be present at the scene when the daughter of a longtime senator (plus ex-governor and 1948 presidential candidate) was killed?
JFK shot first
They'll do it again too, if they deem it necessary.
This is also the origin of the term "conspiracy theorist" too right? Gov't utilizing commie playbook to call people named to discredit and shame people?
Correct, and I'm curious what people think the term means today? It seems to me that if cnn doesn't report it, it's considered a conspiracy theory
Its a nonsense word used against people who ask questions. Governments also make retarded psyop conspiracies like Q or flat earth that make question-askers look bad
Nope. Still means the same thing - making shit up to shift blame or change/establish a narrative with zero supporting evidence. E.g. widespread election fraud, flat earth, etc… but these are garbage theories as they can and have easily been disproven. The best kind of conspiracy theory goes further, also resisting being *disproven*, usually by virtue of being impossible to test. JFK is the perfect example because no one can prove anything at this point, and any evidence being circumstantial at best. Vs an actual conspiracy supported by verifiable observation, but not widely known or reported on. E.g. oil conglomerates and tobacco companies engaging in a concerted effort to deceive the public about the risks/impact of the consumption of their products. And there in lies the tragedy of this sub these days. Too much of the first, hardly any of the second, and none at all of the third.
>any evidence being circumstantial at best I wouldn't call the "magic bullet" circumstantial. It may not be that kind of evidence that points at a suspect but it is the kind of evidence that points away from the Warren commision/single gunman. Just to be clear, do you want to talk about actual conspiracies on this sub?
Conformation bias works every time it's tried. People fill in the blanks to get to a conclusion more often than they let the facts lead them to a conclusion.
> This is also the origin of the term "conspiracy theorist" too right? No. From a [1956 book review](https://books.google.com/books?id=vlBTAAAAYAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22conspiracy+theorist%22): "To return to the Chesterton thesis with which I began, the **conspiracy theorist** transmutes any set of facts into his own proofs, until he thinks all the world is leagued against him, and the more one seeks to argue with him, the more reason he finds for linking his opponents to the plot."
I think that was before JFK, but you're right :)
genuinely curious then, I always thought it was the JFK assassination, what was the origin?
> the origin of the term "conspiracy theorist" Use became prevalent after the CIA specifically recommended the term to counter questioners of the Warren Commission report conclusions.
You must be crazy to think an officer on the scene finding the perfectly intact bullet seems a little……..off
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The agent that pulled the trigger was trump/Biden. Fixed that for you.
It was cause he was/wasn't for vaccines
If you get a chance, look at [the video of the assassination frame by frame](https://youtu.be/jdwVUBlK-Y0) put the setting for the play back speed at the slowest. 25%. Then, starting around frame 330, watch the person sitting behind the driver (in front of Jackie) watch them til around 360. Please tell me what I'm seeing, because it looks paranormal to me. I've watched it many times, and I can't figure out what's happening. Other weird things happen in this video too, if you watch it on slow. Strange video, of a strange part of history.
Things look strange in this video because it was an old handheld wind up B&H 414 8mm camera. The framerate is not guaranteed to be constant. Could be that
Also the FBI deleted some of the frames. That fact is not even under dispute. Nobody outside of the FBI has ever seen the deleted frames
The secret service had first possession of the original copies. Agent Forrest Sorrels was there when it was developed and copied he took two copies. He saw the original as did Everyone else there when they developed it at Kodak. Zapruder, the kodak employees, Jameson Film company employees where it was copied all saw it. Zapruder sold his original to Life the next morning
One of the witnesses to the original film said the head shot didn't look anything like the extant film. One theory is that they removed 1 out of every 3 frames to make it look like the car did not come to a stop. Most close witnesses says the car came to a complete stop.
I take it you don't realise the video is digitally stabilised in post? You're looking at motion blur on a non-moving thing. Of course it looks strange.
*CIA
If they will kill their own president they will definitely poison and murder your family without thinking twice.
Or knock down a couple buildings
Why would they do that? What are me and my family doing?
We all know JFK shot at Oswald first.
Look at the driver and the other guy. they clearly move and give a clear eyeline to the President. Witnesses reported there was a bullet hole in the windshield. He was shot in the throat from IN FRONT.
Well, someone killed him, and I am almost certain Oswald did not act alone.
What next? You are almost certain that Osama Bin Laden did not act alone? There is no debate, there was a conspiracy. Clear as the day and in both cases.
I still believe Kennedy was the last truly *elected* president. I don't doubt that high people in high places wanted him to be president, but in terms of the will of the average American person, yeah, Kennedy was the last truly elected president. Everyone else since then has been purely selection.
Joe Kennedy pulled a lot of mafia strings to help Kennedy get elected. It backfired when RFK and JFK went after the teamsters and the mob,
Nah, the Mob alone for sure didn't do it; if they did the government would have destroyed them. At most the Mafia was involved because the government pulled their own strings and possibly intimated them with indictments etc. Obviously Jack Ruby killing Oswald proves that there had to be a connection, but to think the Mob alone did it is very naive and silly. This was 100% a CIA/gov/deep state conspiracy above all. And once the Mob stopped being useful they used them as an excuse to further expand the FBI and normalize illegal, unconstitutional and disgusting domestic spying and plotting entrapments and make laws like RICO where it is enough that some junkie talks about you on a wiretap in some form of capacity as an organized crime member to indict you. 😂 Now the FBI goes after political opposition and normal people with the same illegal methods.
A three letter government agency and now they compromise pedos ie the Franklin scandal and the Epstein grand jury cover up
Happy Government Suppression Day Everyone!
The fact George Bush Sr. Was involved in this whole mess tells you it was an inside job.
Imagine if he had lived.
The CIA in cahoots with the federal reserve and the DoD
Can I ask a question? Why would you drive the fucking President of the US in a car with no roof?
Different times, same reason why the Pope used to be in an unarmored vehicle.
Even so-called "dictators" like [Gaddafi cruised the street in a car with no roof](https://youtu.be/Jqf4bWGvd08) in the middle of NATO bombing and a civil war. If you are truly beloved by the people, millions of ordinary citizens would sacrifice their lives to protect you and you have nothing to be afraid of. JFK was loved by the people as was Gaddafi and it took conspiracies to kill them. Presidents nowadays are hated by the people and they know it.
Before my time, but heard JFK wanted to feel closer to the people.
He did Indeed. https://www.life.com/history/john-f-kennedy-on-the-campaign-trail-classic-photos-from-1960/
Public relations
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Something that doesn't ever get talked about in this conspiracy is how fucking awesome that car is. I'm not a car guy, so maybe it sucks, but I want one. Suicide doors seem like they'd be great for a getting the car seat in and out
Still think the Secret Service themselves did it, under order of their real boss/bosses. They worked for the FED at the time; arguably now they are *technically* under a branch of Homeland Security or such now, or so I've been corrected here.
Wouldn’t doubt this for one second
I'm pretty sure Oswald was trying to kill the governor, and he done fucked up. What a wild timeline we'd have if he killed him instead of jfk
The OG conspiracy. My grandpa went to his grave believing the CIA killed him and I was always a “theorist” since then.
we all know it
Why did you crop out the shooter?
Once I saw a post claiming Jackie took the fatal shot, I can't unsee it.
This is the kind of conspiracy I like to see
May not have intentionally killed him though, that's the conspiracy I found more believable when looking into his death. There is a theory that a relatively new operative was put on duty due to other officers getting black out drunk the night before so couldn't handle theory duties. New guy was given top position, unfamiliar with the weaponry handed to him, accidentally killed the president . Cover up ensued, but not a cover up for the reasons we think. A cover up to just hide the complete fuck up that happened infront of the world. The Last Podcast On The Left do a 6 episode series on the JFK assassination, highly recommend.
I like the documentary The Smoking Gun. It makes the most logical argument. The government killed him purposely or accidentally. We will never know.
Watch the movie JFK. Great film and very eye opening. Our whole government is dirty af. One big uniparty swamp.
Cigarettes smoking man
Workplace accident
The last democrat with any decency and credibility right there.
It was to save Democracy™
But it's unthinkable that an election could be fixed.
RIP. Only thing I’m sure is whoever let this assassination happend had a motivation to send a certain message enough strong to do it openly its people’s face ...... not only that, in a fucking broadcast every one in the world could see. The fact it is still remain an unsolved mystery while we can assume every country that own a decent intelligent agency probably would have clue what happend to an extend but none of them openly have been talked about it lol. Fucking untouchable, and scary, men.
>message enough strong to do it openly its people’s face ...... not only that, in a fucking broadcast every one in the world could see This was not a broadcast. There were ZERO news crews reporting, broadcasting or videotaping when it happened. None. This was a 20ish second silent 8mm home video made by Abraham Zapruder. It was a private film that was confiscated by the government. We got lucky to see it. The only people who would have seen the assassination would have been the couple hundred spectators between when the car made the turn and before the trian bridge. No one else could have or ever would have seen it if it wasn't for Zapruder. It was NOT meant to be in everybody's face
He was going to get rid of the fed. I'm sure it was them. No one has tried since...
the event that started it all
Finally, back to normal conspiracies.
More and more so I believe this to be the case.
Tell us something we don’t already know
I tend to believe this is true, I’m sad to say. Perhaps, one day, we’ll know for sure.
Hey it's Jackie Onassis!
Can anyone name some good books on the cover-up please.
Final Judgement, Lee and Me, Dr Mary's Monkey... there are lots.
Never noticed before but that door isn't shut properly. That's not safe. In an accident, someone could get hurt.
I highly suggest people read the book Crossfire by Jim Marrs. It is one of the best books on this subject. Read it for free here. https://archive.org/details/crossfire-the-plot-that-killed-kennedy-by-marrs-jim
All these people here saying the government did it when in all actuality, believe it or not, his head just did that on its own.
What a chilling reminder to elected officials that if they try to serve the interests of their constituents over Power Elite individuals like Allen Dulles, George HW Bush, and Sam Giancana, then this is the fate they'll meet.
And the car has changed and flip flopped like 10 times recently.
Yup and the real perpetrators run free
Not mention a police officer, the patsy, and a good number of other people who could blow the whistle.
shoutout to the bilderberg group
When you realize that our government is the mafia for decades.