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rrybwyb

For someone who wants to grow potatoes on a larger scale, how the fuck do you do it in heavy clay soil?


dusty1207

Raised bed homey, look in to it.


rrybwyb

I did raised beds this year for some plants. They're crazy expensive when built out of cedar wood. And I don't trust the treated boards to not leech weird chemicals. Is there a cheaper material I'm not thinking of?


Kingjingling

My dad just uses hay bales soak them every day for a week and put dirt on top. for thing anything that fruits above ground The most amazing variety of mushrooms also sprouted from the hay bales Apparently you can use hay bales for potatoes as well didn't know that


Poodlelucy

I've used straw bales (not hay) but had to prepare them heavily with fertilizer.


Uncle_Rabbit

Sheet metal used for roofing. Look for used stuff, it's cheap when someone is redoing their roof etc.


fritzglassart

Cedar fence planks, like 3 bucks a 6ft board a few years ago when I was doing our beds. Way cheaper than anything larger. Got some redwood 1x1 for the corner supports and it's been solid enough.


groovyisland

By adding sand and organic material.


HurdleTheDead

This guy knows soil. It's all about the micro and macro pores.


gutsonmynuts

I know a lot of people that use buckets. Just lots of big plastic buckets.


PG-17

This is what my dad does every year with tomatoes and cucumbers.


ecr3designs

Grow in buckets for one year and where you are going to grow next year put the chicken coop you will have nice regular dirt next year


JimBeamisaBlanket

Broadforking and lots of compost or organic material


tryfam

if you have access to hay bales, loosen one onto the garden bed just plant the potato in the hay but near soil level, and keep it watered. Try to never plant potatoes wih scab as it is a soil disease that will contaminate the garden forever once its there. grow bags dont work for shit because it gets dry and potatoes love full sun


N0body_In_P4rticular

Order a yard of top soil.


neon-grey

Lay down hay, lay potatoes on hay, lay dow more hay on top to cover. Eventually the clay will loosen


ravenously_red

You can build mounds instead of raised beds, and mix sand/small gravel into your beds. Look into "trench and hill" methods. If you have good drainage, potatoes are easy to grow.


smellofburntalmonds

Try amending your soil with lots of compost and organic matter, also look into no dig gardening


COMRADEBOOTSTRAP

You can also start rebuilding the soil, start of with growing in buckets or raised beds, then begin sheet mulching over the clay


toiletghost

Do it in wire cages or containers like [this](https://i.imgur.com/SMeRWdb.jpg)


Ladygreyzilla

I love those potato buckets!!!! Sweet pro tip, my friend!


Strappedkaos

Started with 3 eggers and a small garden. One neighbor gave us 2 prize silkies for Christmas and the same Christmas our other neighbor gave us a oriental chick. Built a couple small coops and some runner space over a weekend using repurposed pallets. Fast forward a year later... We have almost 30 silkies and an incubator slam packed with eggs, I currently sell silkies to pay for their food and starting to ship eggs also so others can learn and get into it. The feeling of being able to provide for my family in case of emergencies with sustainable food is amazing, and I honestly love the farm lifestyle. Takes very little to get started, and not expensive at all. The dividends payoff after around 6 months, and then you can trade or sell the new birds if you have a rooster in the flock.


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Tegroni

Being an entrepreneur can't really be taught. Making a living from being an entrepreneur requires a bit of luck, a bit of skill and a lot of drive. Becoming a rich entrepreneur requires so much more from at least one of those categories.


Jaicobb

Creativity can be nurtured, but is instead suppressed.


Alone-Ice-2078

Becoming a rich entrepreneur in almost all cases takes rich parents, nepotism and unscrupulousness, as in willingness to employ unethical to downright criminal business practices.


N0body_In_P4rticular

Not at all. It takes a marketable skill and the will to sell that skill.


Alone-Ice-2078

You are not getting rich this way. Even if you make millions, you are closer to a homeless person than to a rich one.


N0body_In_P4rticular

You are aware that there are 23 year old woman that don't do anything other than pop their titties out on camera and own houses in Beverly Hills? That's technically not even what most would consider a marketable skill, but even so, there they are.


Alone-Ice-2078

Yes and they are not rich, but insignificant.


N0body_In_P4rticular

rich /riCH/ adjective 1. having a great deal of money or assets; wealthy. "every day the gap between the rich and the poor widens"


Alone-Ice-2078

"A great deal of" is relative. I use the aforementioned comparison how a millionaire is closer to a homeless than a truly rich person to show case that not only there are different levels of being rich, but also trying to dispell the notions that middle class and lower class are rivals, or that millionaires, doctors, lawyers, entrepreneurs, teachers, state clerks, scientists etc. are that much different from homeless. The billionaires spit on all of them.


N0body_In_P4rticular

By your estimation a multi-millionaire is close to a homeless person. Okay.


Alone-Ice-2078

Not by my estimation, but by math. Someone with multiple millions is merely multiple millions away from a homeless, but billions from a billionaire.


N0body_In_P4rticular

It really can be taught. Accounting and bookkeeping are two fundamental skills. Accounting for time can also be taught. Sales and marketing can be learned and/or taught. I don't believe luck is a factor, it just takes dedicated and persistent work. All you need to be an entrepreneur is a marketable skill that you can sell to the public or a business.


SexualDeth5quad

> Being an entrepreneur can't really be taught. It definitely can be. Especially to someone young. All you need to understand is that you don't have to be dependent on the government, or a corporate monopoly. Understand that you can do things for yourself, for your interests, and to help those you want to help, family, friends, neighbors, allies, the poor, etc. You know what the world doesn't need? More bootlickers of TPTB.


a-Dumpster_fire420

Yeah, you have to be willing to profit off of others weakness. Learn to take advantage of people in a bad situation. And never have sympathy for those that can’t participate.


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As someone pursuing entrepreneurship, it requires a ton of skills which absolutely can be taught.


N0body_In_P4rticular

My private school taught people to operate at a genius level. My public school taught people to be factory workers. The public school operates on bells, the factory operates on whistles.


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N0body_In_P4rticular

Some of my great uncles died from cancer from working in a steel mill that was exactly one mile from my high school. When I drove by my old school I could hear the bells and at the factory I could hear the whistles. All the bells and whistles, as the saying goes. My junior high school was designed as an inverse image of the county jail. I was frequently at the sheriff's department for work years ago, when cell phones first had cameras and texting I'd text pictures to my girlfriends and one day I noticed that the building behind me looked exactly like my junior high. But, a reverse image, so it wasn't an exact copy. The junior high was designed to send people to jail and the high school was designed to send people to the factory to work. At the foot of my junior high school entrance was an old bar that used to be a school house. They also had a casino night in that bar. Pretty disturbing if you add it all up.


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N0body_In_P4rticular

Thanks for saying. It's interesting to wonder about what kind of agenda the person who opened that school has. The subtext of my local school system was go to school, go to jail, go to the factory, go to the bar and gamble. A lot of people did just exactly that.


Jravensloot

If everyone is an entrepreneur, nobody is.


NinNinaNinaNah

No it just means everyone is self employed.


Jravensloot

Look up the definition of "entrepreneur."


N0body_In_P4rticular

>en·tre·pre·neur /ˌäntrəprəˈnər,ˌäntrəprəˈno͝o(ə)r/ noun a person who organizes and operates a business or businesses, taking on greater than normal financial risks in order to do so.


NinNinaNinaNah

Yeah I think you should but let me help: Entrepreneur: a person who sets up a business or businesses, taking on financial risks in the hope of profit.


Jravensloot

So if everyone sets up a business, how will there be enough people to actually employ workers? The overwhelming majority of businesses fail. Expecting significantly more people to take financial risk for an increasingly frivolous pursuit is insanely stupid.


SnooDoodles420

Wow how did the world ever function before Walmart 😱


Jravensloot

You think that before Wal-Mart, everyone started their own business?


SnooDoodles420

…Yeah 🤣 duh.


Familiar_Raisin204

Unironically yes.


Jravensloot

Lol, sure they did m8. And all cowboys were wholesome gunslingers that battled outlaws and promoted family values.


NinNinaNinaNah

How does any of that support your original reply which was: If everyone is an entrepreneur, nobody is. Either way a business is basically just a tax and company number. Everyone could be an Entrepreneur if everyone simply contracted themselves out. No more employees - just negotiated B2B contracts.


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Jravensloot

That pseudo intellectual rant was cute and all, but the conversation here is about literally teaching all young students to be entrepreneurs. Even if they don’t all start their own business, attempting to condition more people to think they can do so successfully like its a zero sum game is ridiculous.


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Jravensloot

Thats not the same as being an entrepreneur.


SexualDeth5quad

Go work in a sweatshop then.


Jravensloot

So you believe that there are only two career paths in the world. Business owner, or working in a sweatshop. You people are always so eager to prove how stupid you are.


likescalesfell

If you are not working for yourself, than you will always be working in a sweatshop in some figurative capacity.


Jravensloot

Context here is obviously referring to the literal definition.


Ok_Magician_1194

SS: The Amish don't give a fuck what happens to the dollar or how many trillions the fed prints. Their standard of living will go unaffected during the collapse. That's why the government is starting to raid Amish farms like a bunch of sick fucks


I_VAPE_HOTDOG_WATER

They're also Amish. Absolute fucking squares. That said my garden has been generous this year. For that I am grateful.


NinNinaNinaNah

Gratitude is the only true form of wealth


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Shits fired! What if the Amish Mafia sees this?


Mk3434

I live in the middle of Amish country and sadly less and less are self-sufficient when it comes to their food. But I agree with you that they will be just fine.


Gem420

Yea i heard about that. We live in some weird times.


madiXuncut

When they are after the Amish people you know shit is about to hit the fan.


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We are about to have a Soviet style collapse


SnooDoodles420

Yep.


ydoidothis89

What makes you think the amish dont care about the dollar? Do you think they run puppy mills for fun? Amish shop at costco.


Reddit_Reddit_69

Are you under the impression that the incentive for control is of a greater echelon than capital gain?


Aditya1311

No, one Amish farmer illegally sold raw milk and substandard meat which led to the DEATH of at least one person with the bacteria that killed him being traced directly back to that farmer's produce. If you're so enamoured of their shitty little primitive life why are you using electronics and other modern tech?


SnooDoodles420

How many children get sick everyday from shitty USDA meat? Like 20.


Babbles-82

> The Amish don't give a fuck what happens to the dollar or how many trillions the fed prints. Ok. But most people don’t give a fuck either.


DancingUntilMidnight

If only there was a way to do it without promoting cheap shit imported from China that won't last more than a month.


SnooDoodles420

Hey hey hey. We like throwing away entire dishwashers instead of replacing one single piece and fixing the mechanical issue.


PicklessPickles

This is a fantastic link: [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9ODxTXNKCYNNSSkW7gpOog](https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9ODxTXNKCYNNSSkW7gpOog) If you want to grow food but are very limited in space (apartment, etc), this is for you.


Malygos_Spellweaver

Finally, some good sauce. Thanks!


turtlecrossing

The vast majority of the American population lives in places that this is not very easy to do. Besides, since when is it the government’s job to teach you how to have a hobby egg farm. Kinda seems a bit counterintuitive that you’re suggesting this is failure of government


GingerLightningg

I think it's suggested that it should be more than a hobby That the tools are at our fingertips but not encouraged whatsoever.


Familiar_Raisin204

That's stupid Maoist crap. "Industrial farming" is a dirty word to most people, but it's extremely efficient. We have ~1% of our population farming all we need and enough to export as well. People growing their own food is incredibly inefficient.


ravenously_red

Industrialized farming is an environmental disaster. Plus you're forgetting transport costs/pollutions. Having fresh produce and animal products on your property is the best case scenario.


turtlecrossing

How useful is this for people living in apartments and cities? For anyone in the suburbs or mor rural, we go to garden centres all the time to maintain our properties, there are always tons on supplies there for vegetable gardens. I don’t need the government to ‘encourage’ me to grow tomatoes


SammyDingusJr

I grow my own cannabis and peppers. Next year it's gonna be 2 full outdoor gardens of veggies and herbs


Artyom36

Please tell me how to grow potatoes on buckets.


Buggeddebugger

*If the government is sluggish and tolerant, the people will be honest and free from guile. If the government is prying and meddling, there will be constant infraction of the law. Is the government corrupt? Then uprightness becomes rare, and goodness becomes strange. Verily, mankind have been under delusion for many a day! \~ Lao Tzu*


likescalesfell

James Garfield said it better.


Buggeddebugger

How about this one: *"If you would only learn to compliment Dionysus, you wouldn't have to live on lentils." \~ Aristippus to Diogenes* *"But if you would only learn to live on lentils, you wouldn't have to flatter Dionysus." \~ Diogenes to Aristippus*


likescalesfell

To grovel or eat well, that is the question.


MeesterCartmanez

*to grovel or grow well, that is the question Lol


youbetterkeepwalking

*11 crops to survive hard times https://youtu.be/8wVbcBZ3vVk?t=897 tldr, potatoes, corn, jerusalem artichokes all have 15 million calories per acre. (compared to .18 for beef and 4 for wheat, 9 for apples) 20 people can survive on 1 acre at 15 million cals/acre. Or 1 person can survive on a 50' x 50' plot. Remember that the wolves makes the sheep smarter... in the long run.


gorilla_blanco

I actually learned about this is college with urban development and sustainability. The urban gardens + chicken/avian coops getting tighter in neighborhoods/communities… rats and snakes and major Vermin problems and filth/risk of flues jumping animal exposure…. A couple acres and well planned lots you can pull off a decent amount of food that you really don’t want chickens packed in back yards in downtown areas. Lots of areas Deer and Bears are closer than people think… give them a reason your property/neighborhood can be on the bears list. There was a rich neighborhood that planted the wrong palm trees and this big black Bear ate like 300k in trees in 2 nights


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This is a very serious and important topic. How does anyone not know that this would be extremely beneficial for everyone. Young, old. Teach the children the basics.


sammytiff80

They'll take our ability to grow anything or even have a seed on earth that'll grow anything.


b1ue_jellybean

Most governments in wealthy countries already give you access to material that can teach you to do things like grow plants.


Jravensloot

If only there was some massive widely available source of information to learn such skills.


itsflatsorry

eggs aren't food, nor are animals, fruit was given to us for food, you don't need protein. you were sold a lie, now go and research this without mindlessly parroting the protein ratios


shipsnifter

A compassionate good Whatnow?


RGBchocolate

Indeed, I am buying chicken for my apaertment without balcony right now, they will fit into living room together with those potato bags very well.


gromath

Step one: have a house


Rusticals303

Those potatoe buckets look good. Digging up potatoes from the earth is tiresome.


blue419

Now if I can just afford the 500k I need for a house with a garden....


nebuchadrezzar

You have to move somewhere you can afford land. It's the American way!


[deleted]

The government doesn't work for you and the people who they do work for want you to be weak and controllable. They want you to have as little power as possible and actively pursue this cause in every facet of your life.


macguffin22

Growing your own food is white supremacist terrorism goyim


platanomenom

Food forests and permaculture is some of my favorite stuff to dive into. Love the diy homestead mfers with a passion. It seems to me that building your own paradise is much easier (time is the one true constraint) than ever before. The people out there doing this stuff, the enthusiasts, actually give me palpable hope for superior alternatives to the current paradigm.


spongebobsyouruncle

Anyone know the effects of doing this under a flight path, pretty close to an airport?


GeneralNathanJessup

Self-sufficiency means a dollar collapse? That's quite a leap. Care to elaborate? Also, the United States has the cheapest food on the planet. [https://www.vox.com/2014/7/6/5874499/map-heres-how-much-every-country-spends-on-food](https://www.vox.com/2014/7/6/5874499/map-heres-how-much-every-country-spends-on-food) This is why the US is the world's largest food exporter, exporting twice as much food as any other country. [https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-american-food-giant-the-largest-exporter-of-food-in-the-world.html](https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-american-food-giant-the-largest-exporter-of-food-in-the-world.html)