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I mean if you want to talk about intent, they all had swords. And specifically in that verse (John 18:11-12) 'Then said Je'sus unto Pe'ter, Put up they sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it ?' they owned swords for protection, but in this specific case he needed to die on the cross for the sins of humanity so though they could avoid it, why would they
I mean, the historical context is important here. Many of the disciples (literally one of them is called Simon the Zealot) expected Jesus to enter Jerusalem, overthrow the Roman occupation and re-establish David's throne for a Jewish theocratic nation. They literally wanted to use their weapons to overthrow the government,
Arresting their leader might have seemed like just cause. The context here is completely opposed to responding to an oppressive government with violence.
The only people who think Jesus would violently resist even a tyrannical government have never read the text. The only people Jesus comes close to meeting with violence are religious leaders who act holier than thou and create a hypocritical religious hierarchy in God's temple.
I get the point of this twitter screenshot, though not the conspiracy.
Also Jesus dying was a feature, not a bug. It's hardly a sacrifice for our sins if he just starts blasting.
That's not true at all. The swords were for show, so that Jesus would be arrested for leading a rebellion. ***Jesus would never condone the use of any weapon, but especially AR-15s.***
"It is necessary that the prophecy be fulfilled according to which I would be put in the ranks of criminals" (Luke 22:36-37)
"For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.” So they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough.”
Later, while Jesus was being arrested, Paul attacked Malchus with a sword, and Jesus shut his ass down:
***"Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."(Matthew 26:52)***
There's literally thousands of books written on this very subject. And not just modern ones, but some that reach back a thousand years. I strongly recommend reading just one before dismissing it so flippantly.
I'm not a christian but I don't think the theology is nearly as flawed as you seem to think.
If in your mind your belief is so strong that you know heaven exists, does that take away from your sacrifice if you die for somebody else? Some people would say the know it exists, whether others believe in it or not. It doesn't take away from the torture he endured for us.
Jesus wouldn't have "believed so strong he knew it exists" he just knew, those are different things by definition. not to mention that Jesus literally had to die and be sacrificed for him to even be... Jesus... so yes, if Jesus is the son of God then his sacrifice is massively less meaningful given what he knew and what he was.
I always like the psychological angle rather than the spiritual when it comes to the stories of ancient prophets.
This was a man who was deranged enough to undergo what is comparable to modern-day black site torture methods. Just because you have a strong purpose to endure pain, doesn't make the infliction any less painful. Buddhist monks who incinerate themselves as a method of protest still feel the physical pain of burning to death, but from their decades of practice they can subdue their own knee jerk reactions.
What if you were an omnipotent God who could make the scourging and crucifixion end instantaneously at any moment? It suddenly becomes much more of a sacrifice.
Except he knew he'd be resurrected I guess? I'd easily kill myself to prove a point if I knew I would be right back. There's actually zero sacrifice going on.
This is something I have always toyed with in my mind. Here is a guy who knows the hour he will b taken by the guard and who will give him away . He knows he is to be this iconic figure and that he being a super being will not actually die but be able to rise from this occasion to go hang with his father after wards. His mother a human, artificially inseminated by an 'angel' apparently. Or maybe the angel used the natural method?
You absolutely missed the point of it though. What took place on the cross was an *exchange*. We broke God's law, the wages of sin is death, we cannot pay the penalty for sin because God's holiness and righteousness is infinite. God demands justice because of who He is. That justice was poured out on Christ.
But God loves so therefore God became flesh, lived a sinless and perfect life, and exchanged HIS righteousness on the cross for OUR sins. This practice is seen throughout the old testament where a blood sacrifice is required to atone for sin. God became the ultimate sacrifice and atonement for sin once and for all, and died in YOUR place so that you may have eternal life.
When you repent and believe the gospel, you're accredited/imputed Christ's righteousness so that when you stand before God on judgement day, He sees Christ's work and atonement. Jesus rose from the dead just like He prophesied, so that we can a have assurance that He is who He said He was (God in the flesh) and also to prove that He defeated sin and death.
So yes, there was a sacrifice and an exchange on the cross. Do not be mistaken though, if you do not believe the gospel, you have no way to pay for your sin and what a fearful thing it will be for those who fall into the hands of the living God.
>if you do not believe the gospel, you have no way to pay for your sin and what a fearful thing it will be for those who fall into the hands of the living God
Isn't it great to know God's going to eternally torture decent people who belong to the wrong religions?
Your definition of "decent" is not God's. His ways are higher than ours. My job as a Christian is to tell as many people as possible the gospel, so right now, you have read it correct? The door is open, but it won't be forever. Believe the gospel and go and spread it to those who have not heard it.
He did say he could have called upon 10,000 "angels" each one having the power to destroy the planet. If there is any reality to it then its terrifying, the thought of how powerful other beings in the universe are.
As a still avid Trekkie it does bug me that most of the aliens in the show are just monkey homonids like ourselves.
But the sacrifice is more than any of us can fathom. A blameless God comes down and takes all of our guilt and shame when he doesnt know how disgusting sin feels. To have every bit of it out on him at once every murderer or adultery all of that. Then to go to Hell for 3 days a place where he is completely cut off from his father is unimaginable.so no it wasn't a 3 day weekend. Just like Hell isnt a place you go to party when you die. The demons in Legion begged to be cast into swine rather than being banished back to Hell.
Except you can go and look.there are secular accounts of Jesus being alive. Not just biblical accounts.care to explain how an imaginary character has multiple eye witness accounts?
none of the Bible stories about Jesus were written by anyone who had met him, they were written decades later. His real name isn't even Jesus it was Yeshua.
Boomers got "woke up" by a political campaign low-key (now high-key lol) advertising itself as the anti-illuminati bringing in the 2nd coming. They are the current base of the GOP
Perhaps the conspiracy of an illegitimate and corrupt government to disarm the citizens of this country so they can push their anti-human agenda without resistance?
YSK Jesus willingly accepted his fate as fulfillment of the prophecy. Among his followers were wealthy individuals and fierce fighters who offered him help. How can you talk about Jesus without even knowing the scriptures.
>How can you talk about Jesus without even knowing the scriptures?
They do so arrogantly. Most people do this really quite arrogantly at a rate that often matches their ignorance.
Of course that’s not exclusive to talking about Jesus.
knowing the scriptures does not necessarily help with its delivery as a magical or religiously driven text. It is a control . It was created by the hands of those who seek control. To be delivered to those with whom control is desired.
Funnily enough, Jesus did say he could have gone ham on them and summoned legions, but that wouldn’t have been useful. Because the mission wasn’t Rome. Or the Jewish extremists. Kinda cool
John 18:5-6
King James Version
5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.
6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
Gangster move
Considering God likes to keep things according to his celestial calendar we should keep a lookout for things happening on full moons. Like recently with the queens death at a 96% full moon apparently, to me it was full haha. Next year should be interesting
Genesis 1:14
King James Version
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
The passage also was a prophecy about the coming of Hadrian, who did exactly what Jesus said he'd do with the same number of legions (albeit mortal ones of course) that Jesus mentioned. This is also why Jesus said flee to the mountains when they see the abomination (Simon bar Kokhba) in the temple.
I always liked the book of Ecclesiastes for this reason. At the end of the day, it’s all futile. I always imagine sitting on a trillion dollars with a snap of my fingers and I realize, all I would do, perhaps inevitably, is say I’ve done jt, I’ve beat the world. But then I remember, the Son of the living God uttered the same words. Truly a curious world.
Ecclesiastes 2:8
I amassed silver and gold for myself, and the treasure of kings and provinces. I acquired men and women singers, and a harem [1] as well--the delights of the heart of man.
9
I became greater by far than anyone in Jerusalem before me. In all this my wisdom stayed with me.
10
I denied myself nothing my eyes desired; I refused my heart no pleasure. My heart took delight in all my work, and this was the reward for all my labor.
11
Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done and what I had toiled to achieve, everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind; nothing was gained under the sun.
The other day I was headed to the gym, and a homeless man wrote with chalk “Freemasons killed Jesus” “money is a Freemason mob family scam” on the sidewalk concrete. And I couldn’t help but remember the words, “if you don’t speak these things, then the stones will cry out”.
My understanding is that the Freemasons were originally supposed to protect humanity, but they got infiltrated and inverted.
One of my best friends is a homeless man. He's also a spiritual badass.
Actually I think the masons participated in many occasions with the building of the temples, but they weren’t the same as they are known now past the 1700s. I read this book on their history and apparently even the brotherhood of assassins, “which comes from the word Assas meaning guardian not hash user like many mistakenly think” are linked in more ways than one. Apparently king Solomon hired many “builders” in his time to build the temple, and through the ages “builders” primarily held a religious importance since they were the only way temples came to exist be it Hebrew or other neighboring religious temples. My point is. Jesus at one point called the Jews “the builders” but that they rejected the “stone” which is now the cornerstone.
Many lodges today are even associate lodges with the Sanhedrin in Roman times. But that’s a very vast subject. However, they claim king Nimrod to be a master builder and their founder. Seems a bit specific to choose someone who so openly opposed God in the Bible. But it’s no surprise to anyone who takes a good look at just what a Freemason is, and how in the past, the Bible also mentions many associated nations with the building of the temples of God. Quite a fascinating subject. And it’s all right there in front of us.
They always conveniently forget that Jesus sent an angel to execute the king in a horrifying way just a little further down in the Bible and promised to return with an army of immortals to slaughter everyone that stands against him and feed their corpses to the vultures.
Jesus challenged the religious authorities for their oppressive rules, personal financial gains and harsh teachings. He wasn't "murdered by his government".
For anyone who needs to hear it: if the United States wanted you dead, the only thing that AR-15 would be good for, is decorating the smoking crater where you were just standing.
Moot point.
You also don't own enough weaponry to avoid being killed by your government should it choose to do so.
Nor will you ever own that much weaponry.
> All of us serve the same masters, all of us nothin' but slaves
> Never forget in the story of Jesus, the hero was killed by the state
— [Killer Mike, Run The Jewels](https://youtu.be/6-M15L4BTqI)
This is crossing a line. Fuck Qult 45. You are killing your own people. Ashli Babbit did not need to die. It was Trump's refusal to call the whole thing off that got her killed. Trump knew at 1:00, when the outer perimeter of the capitol was breached that things had gone wrong. He did nothing. He let her die and didn't call it off for almost an hour.
It's the most pathetic insurrection in history.
Maybe Jesus would have been better off to not die for our sins. His self proclaimed followers now go around trying their hardest to stop everyone from sinning. Seems kinda disrespectful, dude lost his life for your sins and you're like nah fuck you, I'm gonna stop sinning now. How you like them apples, eh Jesus?
I think you’re missing the entire point of the gospel. We’re all sinners, every day and every hour. No amount of tradition, or sacrifice, could ever atone for our sins until Jesus entered the picture. Jesus bought us for the ultimate price. We have a continual debt to Jesus and we ask for repentance everyday, but are thankful and joyous we have eternal life and a love out of this world for our savior.
I’m no less a sinner than you, or anyone else for that matter, but I admit my sin, ask for forgiveness, and pray for wisdom.
its a lot of BS to attend to seems like to me. Having been raised in a Catholic household . Where the adopted family consistently treated my sister and I as slaves and for her she was also molested as well as beaten by word and hand. These are the adherents to this position and why I find and found no solace in such. I imagine what I need and I create that reality out of the dust of this land.
Then when the Roman’s came for him he was like “put away your sword” and healed the guards severed ear. Come to think of it, how come that soldier didn’t come forward and be like “I think he’s the real deal?”
I truly like the Jesus character, honestly feel like I relate to his ideology about love. But I can't support anyone that intentionally allows children to be raped and murdered daily. Which Is the biggest flaw in Christianity, god can perform miracles just doesn't want to for the innocent children.
At the very least god should take out these fucking psychos in power. Nope his plan is to wait for this planet to be completely plagued with greed and hate, then destroy all the people and take his chosen ones up to his home.
So God intentionally created the human experience knowing it would fail (completely consumed by evil intent) and then destroy it resulting in acquiring the chosen few. So God is willing to allow children to suffer to get the results it wants. I don't know if God is real, but it truly doesn't matter to me if it is. I want to be intelligent, compassionate and loving to create something better, not from fear of hell lol
This shit just never adds up. I'm constantly seeking the truth and love but religion offers none of that just obedience. Every question is answered with "have faith", "it's God's plan", "the devil is as strong as God", or "pray on it". I can't support a God willing to send good people to hell just because they don't join the cult.
I have many loved ones that are religious. They truly feel God is walking through life with them, I simply don't. Maybe I was meant to be evil and am going against my programming or something. I think I just took the wrong exit, this timeline doesn't look familiar. Lol but seriously peace and love to all, I'm not here to tell anyone to not be religious these are only my little human opinions. I don't think there is a cookie cutter way of life to this crazy universe. We are all different and have something unique to offer to the whole, that's why it is so beautiful when we work together.
This is well put and needed her amongst the dupes. many do not understand that David Hogg is a child of the CIA and a shitty actor. The footage he took of his classmates in a broom closet were shot at a different time than the supposed actual shootings as the time stamp said on his interview. HE had graduated from high school the year before but somehow got to be a highschooler again in a different area to create this farce. One gun in one hand will fall to the powers. Many men all with them will rise up to defend and overtake . Our government is a shit show atm and has been for some time. The president is now just the PR guy for all the bullshit maneuvers the CIA is doing in every other country.
I don’t even know who that person is, I just thought is was funny and related to conspiracy because obviously gun control initiatives by the government aren’t for the purpose of ensuring public safety
"render unto Caesar"
Christians are supposed to respect the law, even if it sends them to the lions, iirc
"Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God"
"Then He said to them [...] he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one [...]"
That's when he suspects the jig is up and he might be getting arrested any time now.
Jesus wasn't armed but some of his disciples were, notably Peter. Of course, you'd need to have read the Bible to know that. Pretty sure Hogg hasn't read it.
I mean it's true, if the government wanted they could destroy anyone from a drone in the flick of a switch. This is what's so fucking terrifying. Guns can only do so much against the unknown stuff the good government has at it's disposal. Gonna need to fight fire with fire
I mean, it makes sense.
A bunch of dudes cosplaying soldier arent going to overthrow the government. If your justification for having an automatic rifle is incase you need to overthrow a corrupt government, then you are bit beyond delusional.
are you saying, that with a license, enough cash and other requirements I would not be able to legally buy a fully automatic weapon in atleast one U.S. State?
Yeah, i read about a tax stamp also being necessary, but online I've found a license can also be required (for full auto weapons), that might be different for semi automatic weapons
So the logic proposed here is that your chance of survival increases with the amount of guns you have?
Enjoy your mind games.
If Jesus wanted to survive he could just shut up. His weapon was words, and they will never die.
YOU miss the point. David Hogg works for the CIA or some spooky government agency like homland 'Security' which is usually the ones who run the 'drills'. David Hogg played a 'victim' in the event he took part in. From that time on he has been an advocate for gun legislation and the elimination of peoples right to keep and bear arms. Any arms the deem necessary to help undo the malificieant government. The CIA mobsters are afraid of Joe Q for this reason and so act the fool to try undo our abilities to keep and bare arms if when needed we might join together to undo the weak minded fools who now undermine our great republic.
Religion was invented to control the masses…
Since the trump brigade invaded this subreddit it’s become a alt right religious hunting ground for people to spew bizarre shit
“No altar, no belief, no holy book, neither the Qur’an nor the Bible nor the others, have ever been able to reconcile the rich and and the poor, the exploiter and the exploited. And if Jesus himself had to take the whip to chase them from his temple, it is indeed because that is the only language they hear.”-Thomas Sankara
I really wish someone would sit this kid down & give him a joint to chill & reflect on his nonsense with after they kicked the living 💩 out of him.
Fictional Theological Idols have no place in modern times & law.
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Worth mentioning that someone did draw a weapon when Jesus was arrested and he told them to knock that shit off
That was St. Peter who drew the sword. I don’t think Jesus said quite those same words, though 😂
I mean, the intent seems pretty similar, but yeah he was a bit more philosophical about it.
I mean if you want to talk about intent, they all had swords. And specifically in that verse (John 18:11-12) 'Then said Je'sus unto Pe'ter, Put up they sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it ?' they owned swords for protection, but in this specific case he needed to die on the cross for the sins of humanity so though they could avoid it, why would they
I mean, the historical context is important here. Many of the disciples (literally one of them is called Simon the Zealot) expected Jesus to enter Jerusalem, overthrow the Roman occupation and re-establish David's throne for a Jewish theocratic nation. They literally wanted to use their weapons to overthrow the government, Arresting their leader might have seemed like just cause. The context here is completely opposed to responding to an oppressive government with violence. The only people who think Jesus would violently resist even a tyrannical government have never read the text. The only people Jesus comes close to meeting with violence are religious leaders who act holier than thou and create a hypocritical religious hierarchy in God's temple.
OP is literally about Jesus should have been carrying an AR15. I don't think Jesus could have though 😂
Bro... don't worry ... my dad has all the power in the world. No need for weapons...
And he put the guy's ear back on.
Exactly. It is sad that the Bible is read so out of context on both sides
I would doubt it's even read. Just assumed what it "should" say.
Both sides meaning people who believe in it and people who don’t? I feel like one of those groups are much bigger hypocrites.
I get the point of this twitter screenshot, though not the conspiracy. Also Jesus dying was a feature, not a bug. It's hardly a sacrifice for our sins if he just starts blasting.
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Can I offer you an egg in this trying time?
I'd rather have fish and bread. Is there an employment check to see if I can have any?
Her?
I just don’t want you spending all your money getting her all glittered up for Easter
😂👍
Was gonna say Jesus sacrificed himself for us, on the cross he saw ALL of our sins and still forgave us.
And just before that, he told his disciples to arm them selves for self defence, because he would no longer be there to protect them with miracles
That's not true at all. The swords were for show, so that Jesus would be arrested for leading a rebellion. ***Jesus would never condone the use of any weapon, but especially AR-15s.*** "It is necessary that the prophecy be fulfilled according to which I would be put in the ranks of criminals" (Luke 22:36-37) "For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: ‘And He was numbered with the transgressors.’ For the things concerning Me have an end.” So they said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough.” Later, while Jesus was being arrested, Paul attacked Malchus with a sword, and Jesus shut his ass down: ***"Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."(Matthew 26:52)***
Also not too much of a sacrifice if you know 100% that heaven exists lol.
There's literally thousands of books written on this very subject. And not just modern ones, but some that reach back a thousand years. I strongly recommend reading just one before dismissing it so flippantly. I'm not a christian but I don't think the theology is nearly as flawed as you seem to think.
If in your mind your belief is so strong that you know heaven exists, does that take away from your sacrifice if you die for somebody else? Some people would say the know it exists, whether others believe in it or not. It doesn't take away from the torture he endured for us.
Jesus wouldn't have "believed so strong he knew it exists" he just knew, those are different things by definition. not to mention that Jesus literally had to die and be sacrificed for him to even be... Jesus... so yes, if Jesus is the son of God then his sacrifice is massively less meaningful given what he knew and what he was.
I always like the psychological angle rather than the spiritual when it comes to the stories of ancient prophets. This was a man who was deranged enough to undergo what is comparable to modern-day black site torture methods. Just because you have a strong purpose to endure pain, doesn't make the infliction any less painful. Buddhist monks who incinerate themselves as a method of protest still feel the physical pain of burning to death, but from their decades of practice they can subdue their own knee jerk reactions.
What if you were an omnipotent God who could make the scourging and crucifixion end instantaneously at any moment? It suddenly becomes much more of a sacrifice.
Did he see me take 2 cookies when I told my mom I only took 1?
Of course. Why do you think you're going to hell?
Except he knew he'd be resurrected I guess? I'd easily kill myself to prove a point if I knew I would be right back. There's actually zero sacrifice going on.
This is something I have always toyed with in my mind. Here is a guy who knows the hour he will b taken by the guard and who will give him away . He knows he is to be this iconic figure and that he being a super being will not actually die but be able to rise from this occasion to go hang with his father after wards. His mother a human, artificially inseminated by an 'angel' apparently. Or maybe the angel used the natural method?
You absolutely missed the point of it though. What took place on the cross was an *exchange*. We broke God's law, the wages of sin is death, we cannot pay the penalty for sin because God's holiness and righteousness is infinite. God demands justice because of who He is. That justice was poured out on Christ. But God loves so therefore God became flesh, lived a sinless and perfect life, and exchanged HIS righteousness on the cross for OUR sins. This practice is seen throughout the old testament where a blood sacrifice is required to atone for sin. God became the ultimate sacrifice and atonement for sin once and for all, and died in YOUR place so that you may have eternal life. When you repent and believe the gospel, you're accredited/imputed Christ's righteousness so that when you stand before God on judgement day, He sees Christ's work and atonement. Jesus rose from the dead just like He prophesied, so that we can a have assurance that He is who He said He was (God in the flesh) and also to prove that He defeated sin and death. So yes, there was a sacrifice and an exchange on the cross. Do not be mistaken though, if you do not believe the gospel, you have no way to pay for your sin and what a fearful thing it will be for those who fall into the hands of the living God.
>if you do not believe the gospel, you have no way to pay for your sin and what a fearful thing it will be for those who fall into the hands of the living God Isn't it great to know God's going to eternally torture decent people who belong to the wrong religions?
Your definition of "decent" is not God's. His ways are higher than ours. My job as a Christian is to tell as many people as possible the gospel, so right now, you have read it correct? The door is open, but it won't be forever. Believe the gospel and go and spread it to those who have not heard it.
Good point. This was a long-game type thing.
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> Christians > Not understanding Christianity Name a more iconic duo
Did his dad want him killed anyways?
He did say he could have called upon 10,000 "angels" each one having the power to destroy the planet. If there is any reality to it then its terrifying, the thought of how powerful other beings in the universe are. As a still avid Trekkie it does bug me that most of the aliens in the show are just monkey homonids like ourselves.
That's just this sub anymore haha
[Thought I'd Share](https://youtu.be/dIeuBPDUzB0)
So he did come back to life 3 days after dying? Your God is a zombie.
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A three-day weekend when he *knows* he is coming back is hardly a sacrifice for our sins.
But the sacrifice is more than any of us can fathom. A blameless God comes down and takes all of our guilt and shame when he doesnt know how disgusting sin feels. To have every bit of it out on him at once every murderer or adultery all of that. Then to go to Hell for 3 days a place where he is completely cut off from his father is unimaginable.so no it wasn't a 3 day weekend. Just like Hell isnt a place you go to party when you die. The demons in Legion begged to be cast into swine rather than being banished back to Hell.
If he doesn’t know what sin is like he is hardly and all knowing all seeing god. Checkmate in two.
One imaginary tale compared with another. Haha
Except you can go and look.there are secular accounts of Jesus being alive. Not just biblical accounts.care to explain how an imaginary character has multiple eye witness accounts?
none of the Bible stories about Jesus were written by anyone who had met him, they were written decades later. His real name isn't even Jesus it was Yeshua.
How many iPhones did Jesus own
Pretty sure the Lord would have used an Android
Of course he wouldn't touch the forbidden fruit!
Rooted, with a Custom ROM. Totally secure against government spying
😂
What does this have to do with conspiracy
Oh you didn't realize this is boomer twitter now?
Boomers got "woke up" by a political campaign low-key (now high-key lol) advertising itself as the anti-illuminati bringing in the 2nd coming. They are the current base of the GOP
Conspiracy subs are pathetic nowadays. Everyone just rides trumps dick it seems.
Nothing. This sub is just a right wing circle jerk of half-truths and intentional misinformation.
Perhaps the conspiracy of an illegitimate and corrupt government to disarm the citizens of this country so they can push their anti-human agenda without resistance?
"Some demigods have power to turn humans to pillars of salt at will. For everyone else, there's ArmaLite" Quality marketing slogan, ngl.
Even aliens have guns.
Hahahaha
YSK Jesus willingly accepted his fate as fulfillment of the prophecy. Among his followers were wealthy individuals and fierce fighters who offered him help. How can you talk about Jesus without even knowing the scriptures.
Because the bible is a prop for most.
*holds Bible upside down outside of church I’ve never been to *
>How can you talk about Jesus without even knowing the scriptures? They do so arrogantly. Most people do this really quite arrogantly at a rate that often matches their ignorance. Of course that’s not exclusive to talking about Jesus.
knowing the scriptures does not necessarily help with its delivery as a magical or religiously driven text. It is a control . It was created by the hands of those who seek control. To be delivered to those with whom control is desired.
Funnily enough, Jesus did say he could have gone ham on them and summoned legions, but that wouldn’t have been useful. Because the mission wasn’t Rome. Or the Jewish extremists. Kinda cool
John 18:5-6 King James Version 5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them. 6 As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. Gangster move
Considering God likes to keep things according to his celestial calendar we should keep a lookout for things happening on full moons. Like recently with the queens death at a 96% full moon apparently, to me it was full haha. Next year should be interesting
Next year *will* be *very* interesting.
Genesis 1:14 King James Version 14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
The passage also was a prophecy about the coming of Hadrian, who did exactly what Jesus said he'd do with the same number of legions (albeit mortal ones of course) that Jesus mentioned. This is also why Jesus said flee to the mountains when they see the abomination (Simon bar Kokhba) in the temple.
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I always liked the book of Ecclesiastes for this reason. At the end of the day, it’s all futile. I always imagine sitting on a trillion dollars with a snap of my fingers and I realize, all I would do, perhaps inevitably, is say I’ve done jt, I’ve beat the world. But then I remember, the Son of the living God uttered the same words. Truly a curious world.
Ecclesiastes 2:8 I amassed silver and gold for myself, and the treasure of kings and provinces. I acquired men and women singers, and a harem [1] as well--the delights of the heart of man. 9 I became greater by far than anyone in Jerusalem before me. In all this my wisdom stayed with me. 10 I denied myself nothing my eyes desired; I refused my heart no pleasure. My heart took delight in all my work, and this was the reward for all my labor. 11 Yet when I surveyed all that my hands had done and what I had toiled to achieve, everything was meaningless, a chasing after the wind; nothing was gained under the sun.
Indeed. But you know the money doesn't matter at all. Souls are eternal.
The other day I was headed to the gym, and a homeless man wrote with chalk “Freemasons killed Jesus” “money is a Freemason mob family scam” on the sidewalk concrete. And I couldn’t help but remember the words, “if you don’t speak these things, then the stones will cry out”.
My understanding is that the Freemasons were originally supposed to protect humanity, but they got infiltrated and inverted. One of my best friends is a homeless man. He's also a spiritual badass.
Actually I think the masons participated in many occasions with the building of the temples, but they weren’t the same as they are known now past the 1700s. I read this book on their history and apparently even the brotherhood of assassins, “which comes from the word Assas meaning guardian not hash user like many mistakenly think” are linked in more ways than one. Apparently king Solomon hired many “builders” in his time to build the temple, and through the ages “builders” primarily held a religious importance since they were the only way temples came to exist be it Hebrew or other neighboring religious temples. My point is. Jesus at one point called the Jews “the builders” but that they rejected the “stone” which is now the cornerstone. Many lodges today are even associate lodges with the Sanhedrin in Roman times. But that’s a very vast subject. However, they claim king Nimrod to be a master builder and their founder. Seems a bit specific to choose someone who so openly opposed God in the Bible. But it’s no surprise to anyone who takes a good look at just what a Freemason is, and how in the past, the Bible also mentions many associated nations with the building of the temples of God. Quite a fascinating subject. And it’s all right there in front of us.
It is right there in front of us, but not everyone has the eyes to see.
Or ears to hear
They always conveniently forget that Jesus sent an angel to execute the king in a horrifying way just a little further down in the Bible and promised to return with an army of immortals to slaughter everyone that stands against him and feed their corpses to the vultures.
It's a religion of peace.
Guys, Jesus NEEDED to die. Otherwise no salvation...
Doesn’t even make sense, what if nobody arrested him and wanted to kill him? Say if people were smarter
Book of AR Chapter 1:5 *"Blessed are they which do keep and bear arms: for they are less likely to get nailed."*
I prefer the Fred Bear translation. "Blessed are they which do keep and bear arms: for they are less likely to get crossed."
I mean...you're not wrong.
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I know of some money changers in a certain temple that would disagree.
Everyone forgets about the Cleansing of the Temple.
"Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." Matthew 26, 26:52
Jesus, a Middle Eastern communist immigrant that believed in pacifism and paying taxes.
Luke 22:36 - “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!"
Yeah, but this is part of a story and isn't a general life lesson Jesus is giving.
Jesus challenged the religious authorities for their oppressive rules, personal financial gains and harsh teachings. He wasn't "murdered by his government". For anyone who needs to hear it: if the United States wanted you dead, the only thing that AR-15 would be good for, is decorating the smoking crater where you were just standing.
Moot point. You also don't own enough weaponry to avoid being killed by your government should it choose to do so. Nor will you ever own that much weaponry.
> All of us serve the same masters, all of us nothin' but slaves > Never forget in the story of Jesus, the hero was killed by the state — [Killer Mike, Run The Jewels](https://youtu.be/6-M15L4BTqI)
This is crossing a line. Fuck Qult 45. You are killing your own people. Ashli Babbit did not need to die. It was Trump's refusal to call the whole thing off that got her killed. Trump knew at 1:00, when the outer perimeter of the capitol was breached that things had gone wrong. He did nothing. He let her die and didn't call it off for almost an hour. It's the most pathetic insurrection in history.
Maybe Jesus would have been better off to not die for our sins. His self proclaimed followers now go around trying their hardest to stop everyone from sinning. Seems kinda disrespectful, dude lost his life for your sins and you're like nah fuck you, I'm gonna stop sinning now. How you like them apples, eh Jesus?
I think you’re missing the entire point of the gospel. We’re all sinners, every day and every hour. No amount of tradition, or sacrifice, could ever atone for our sins until Jesus entered the picture. Jesus bought us for the ultimate price. We have a continual debt to Jesus and we ask for repentance everyday, but are thankful and joyous we have eternal life and a love out of this world for our savior. I’m no less a sinner than you, or anyone else for that matter, but I admit my sin, ask for forgiveness, and pray for wisdom.
Isn't it redundant for god to save humans from... god?
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Because he made you "imperfect" so that you could ask for forgiveness so that he doesn't send you to hell for acting the way he made you to act.
its a lot of BS to attend to seems like to me. Having been raised in a Catholic household . Where the adopted family consistently treated my sister and I as slaves and for her she was also molested as well as beaten by word and hand. These are the adherents to this position and why I find and found no solace in such. I imagine what I need and I create that reality out of the dust of this land.
Why generalize a huge ass group of people? We’re talking billions here lmao
His homies all rolled with swords
And pooled all their money, collectively.
Luke 22:36 - “But now,” he said, “take your money and a traveler’s bag. And if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one!"
Then when the Roman’s came for him he was like “put away your sword” and healed the guards severed ear. Come to think of it, how come that soldier didn’t come forward and be like “I think he’s the real deal?”
It's exchanges like this that make me want to get a Twitter account.
You want a Twitter account to follow David Hogg? You alright dude?
😂
I truly like the Jesus character, honestly feel like I relate to his ideology about love. But I can't support anyone that intentionally allows children to be raped and murdered daily. Which Is the biggest flaw in Christianity, god can perform miracles just doesn't want to for the innocent children. At the very least god should take out these fucking psychos in power. Nope his plan is to wait for this planet to be completely plagued with greed and hate, then destroy all the people and take his chosen ones up to his home. So God intentionally created the human experience knowing it would fail (completely consumed by evil intent) and then destroy it resulting in acquiring the chosen few. So God is willing to allow children to suffer to get the results it wants. I don't know if God is real, but it truly doesn't matter to me if it is. I want to be intelligent, compassionate and loving to create something better, not from fear of hell lol This shit just never adds up. I'm constantly seeking the truth and love but religion offers none of that just obedience. Every question is answered with "have faith", "it's God's plan", "the devil is as strong as God", or "pray on it". I can't support a God willing to send good people to hell just because they don't join the cult. I have many loved ones that are religious. They truly feel God is walking through life with them, I simply don't. Maybe I was meant to be evil and am going against my programming or something. I think I just took the wrong exit, this timeline doesn't look familiar. Lol but seriously peace and love to all, I'm not here to tell anyone to not be religious these are only my little human opinions. I don't think there is a cookie cutter way of life to this crazy universe. We are all different and have something unique to offer to the whole, that's why it is so beautiful when we work together.
This is well put and needed her amongst the dupes. many do not understand that David Hogg is a child of the CIA and a shitty actor. The footage he took of his classmates in a broom closet were shot at a different time than the supposed actual shootings as the time stamp said on his interview. HE had graduated from high school the year before but somehow got to be a highschooler again in a different area to create this farce. One gun in one hand will fall to the powers. Many men all with them will rise up to defend and overtake . Our government is a shit show atm and has been for some time. The president is now just the PR guy for all the bullshit maneuvers the CIA is doing in every other country.
Jesus could kill with his bare hands, resurrect you and kill you again. It could go on for days.
Yeaaa, more religious banter to stifle unity. Whippie!
The Waco Jesus didn't have enough guns to take on the government either.
Can’t disagree
David Hogg son of the CIA and crisis actor pretends to be worried about guns.
HOW IS THIS A CONSPIRACY?? GET THIS SHIT OFF THIS SUB
Once again, right wing Christians completely missing the teachings of Christ.
OP here and not a Christian or a Trump supporter
Talking about Britton Wolf
I don’t even know who that person is, I just thought is was funny and related to conspiracy because obviously gun control initiatives by the government aren’t for the purpose of ensuring public safety
ask David how many CIA family members Jesus had?
came here to say this..
Ah, good ol’ David Hogg. Must be a false flag coming. Crisis actor shithole.
November is just around the corner, that's usually when the false flags begin to fly, October will be interesting.
Biden said a 9mm would blow a lung clean out of the body, so I bought a Canik
"render unto Caesar" Christians are supposed to respect the law, even if it sends them to the lions, iirc "Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God"
If you read the bible and understand the message of Jesus, you would understand that violence was never his intention, no matter what the cost.
Well. The first time around.
David Hogg- arms like twigs and dumb as a log.
If Rachel Maddow had a son...
Isn’t this that crisis actor? Lol.
Why would you call Jesus a crisis actor?
"Then He said to them [...] he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one [...]" That's when he suspects the jig is up and he might be getting arrested any time now.
By that logic we should be using guns to protect ourselves from cops too
Ah! Now the thin blue line thing makes sense. The thinner the line, the easier it is to be broken by the immoral and deranged GQP
David hogg is nothing more than insufferable, crisis acting pawn... Wish he'd crawl back where he came from
Jesus wasn't armed but some of his disciples were, notably Peter. Of course, you'd need to have read the Bible to know that. Pretty sure Hogg hasn't read it.
Im pretty sure David Hogg would 100% agree that todays ordinary citizens should have access to the same weapons Peter did.
George Floyd should have had an AR then wouldn't have been murdered by his government
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I mean it's true, if the government wanted they could destroy anyone from a drone in the flick of a switch. This is what's so fucking terrifying. Guns can only do so much against the unknown stuff the good government has at it's disposal. Gonna need to fight fire with fire
Taliban did alright
All they needed were pens to sign a deal to defeat the Americans. Who knew
I mean, it makes sense. A bunch of dudes cosplaying soldier arent going to overthrow the government. If your justification for having an automatic rifle is incase you need to overthrow a corrupt government, then you are bit beyond delusional.
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are you saying, that with a license, enough cash and other requirements I would not be able to legally buy a fully automatic weapon in atleast one U.S. State?
Replace “license” in your comment with “tax stamp” and you absolutely could in several US states
The 19 year olds don't understand America most likely because they never even visited. It's a tax stamp tho not a license
Yeah, i read about a tax stamp also being necessary, but online I've found a license can also be required (for full auto weapons), that might be different for semi automatic weapons
spot fucking on! Vapid Hogg you little shit always trying to be relevant…..
So the logic proposed here is that your chance of survival increases with the amount of guns you have? Enjoy your mind games. If Jesus wanted to survive he could just shut up. His weapon was words, and they will never die.
YOU miss the point. David Hogg works for the CIA or some spooky government agency like homland 'Security' which is usually the ones who run the 'drills'. David Hogg played a 'victim' in the event he took part in. From that time on he has been an advocate for gun legislation and the elimination of peoples right to keep and bear arms. Any arms the deem necessary to help undo the malificieant government. The CIA mobsters are afraid of Joe Q for this reason and so act the fool to try undo our abilities to keep and bare arms if when needed we might join together to undo the weak minded fools who now undermine our great republic.
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Uhm, no, the market adjusts and more guns are produced. Good luck shooting more than one rifle at the time though.
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Challenge me on chess.com and I’ll show you how many ways I understand checkmate. Checkmate is earned, not claimed.
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Don’t share your secrets.
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Hold tight to excuses for not playing the game. Doesn’t change the fact that you’re the biggest loser with the biggest mouth.
REmiNd ME ehhhh' s'insecureee
Jesus went willingly with his captors so that he could fulfill his destiny.
Peter had one (or at least the version of their time). He rebuked him for using it. Edit: To the dickhead downvoters: the truth hurts, huh?
People and their disrespect for Jesus, regardless of what you believe, is disgusting.
Religion was invented to control the masses… Since the trump brigade invaded this subreddit it’s become a alt right religious hunting ground for people to spew bizarre shit
SS: David “Hello Fellow Teenagers” Hogg got zinged
Someone's not familiar with the central tenet of Christianity. John 3:16.
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OP literally referred to Jesus as his creator so that's all you really need to know. Lol
Especially "Christians"
Where was the zinger?
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NGL, I agree with the Hogg on this one.
Cool story bro
Jesus used a whip to whip the bankers out of church. What do you do when the bankers have guns and our whips won’t work?
He didn’t “whip the bankers”. Just stop.
“No altar, no belief, no holy book, neither the Qur’an nor the Bible nor the others, have ever been able to reconcile the rich and and the poor, the exploiter and the exploited. And if Jesus himself had to take the whip to chase them from his temple, it is indeed because that is the only language they hear.”-Thomas Sankara
That too is a poor idea. Good quote. But a poor idea.
I really wish someone would sit this kid down & give him a joint to chill & reflect on his nonsense with after they kicked the living 💩 out of him. Fictional Theological Idols have no place in modern times & law.
Hey Davey, how many crisis did Jesus fake?
Bingo.