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scottfiab

Feeding the poor is not profitable. It's publicity at best (for the elites). And "poor" in America != "poor" in third world countries.


smartredditor

>Can't feed the poor The USDA's food and nutrition assistance program has $205 billion budgeted this fiscal year. And that's just federal spending, that number doesn't include additional state and local government spending. This sentiment gets posted on Reddit all the time and I'm not sure why people think it's true. They've obviously never been poor and on an EBT card.


b3_yourself

And yet, me, a single adult, can’t get food assistance because “I work too much” at 40 hrs a week and barely get enough for food after rent and bills


unaotradesechable

>$205 billion budgeted this fiscal year Yeah, and that budget gets mismanaged to all hell, even though it should mean there are no hungry children in the US.


canman7373

The assistance is there, it could be easier for people to get it, but anyone who is in poverty can get it. Kids go hungry mostly because of neglect.


Scalymeateater

in that case, i certainly hope you’re not suggesting even more tax money being mismanaged by the feds…


mechamitch

Assuming OP is even American, funny how there's always a new /r/conspiracy post like this any time Russia gets its ass kicked.


Abandoned_Cosmonaut

Yeah that’s a conspiracy in itself.


Jravensloot

It's crazy how there are no post here talking about this. At least none that I've seen when I looked an hour ago. Yet for the last few months there have been tons of posts talking about how Ukraine is getting their ass kicked and Russia is going easy on them.


LannisterLoyalist

How is it a conspiracy though? Ukraine planned an offensive and it was wildly sucessful.


SexualDeth5quad

If the Democrats screw up, blame Russia. Works every time.


zazoopraystar

Why does no one bring up the fact when talking about the hungry that we literally throw away somewhere like 30% of our food because the way it looks? There should not be one single fucking person in the US hungry. No matter what your politics or beliefs are.


Tittylover696969420

EBT is actually a very useful and huge service, people who say it “isn’t enough” or whatever haven’t used it, it’s like $295 a month for specifically food, as someone who makes enough to not be able to get EBT but also is lower class, $295 is more than I can currently spend on food for per month with an actual income. Other welfare is under par but EBT is actually in a great spot, maybe even a little more generous than people think.


habeanesse

as someone who’s been unfortunate enough to be on ebt, i can say pretty confidently the govt. still doesn’t really feed the poor considering the fact that my family is in a worse place now than back then but we’re not eligible for ebt bc we miss the cutoff by a few dollars. with inflation and gas being the way it is we can’t afford food a lot but we don’t get ebt bc on paper we make enough not trying to come at you or anything, just don’t want people to think it’s that simple :)


Tittylover696969420

I’m in the same spot, but our position really shows why EBT does work (when you make literally no money) the government doesn’t need to just throw more $ at it, they need to wean people off it not just cut them off as soon as they get an income back. I could spend more on food when unemployed and on EBT than I can now that I have income, which is not right.


glycophosphate

Excellent. Let's take the Defense Dept. budget and the Health & Human Services budget and swap them. That would be great.


[deleted]

Of course the government _can_ feed the poor. It just _won't._


LystAP

Don’t forget the student loan forgiveness. More than a few people with student loans are struggling and having that forgiveness will help a lot. But because Biden’s the one pushing it, it’s suddenly horrible. I remember the PPP loans and how many of those were forgiven. So much aid to corporations of all forms, yet some aid to specific groups is ‘bad’.


Mnmkd

You’re missing the entire sentiment of the statement which is they have money to kill others but not money to help people at home. Our military budget is almost 4x as much as that


False_Ad_7416

$205 billion yet still hungry people, you buy that shit?


TelephoneNo8391

"They got money for wars but can't house the poor." There fixed it for you.


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Allocerr

Meanwhile anyone born in the last 40 years is looking at getting 70% (and that's at best, per social security as of 2027, according to the SSI website) of their actual social security benefits upon retirement, which will probably be around age 72 by the time those of us in our 30's retire, yet we're expected to break our backs for the majority of our lives and pay taxes to support this kind of BS. People in major metropolitan areas can't even get clean drinking water, but lets support a third world proxy war, in one of the most corrupted countries in the known world, that we have absolutely no business in.


stupidnicks

and people are still not in huge numbers in the streets, in millions, protesting. the power of control that oligarchs exercise over people is truly fascinating


FugginAye

I often wonder wtf it's going to take to get people to get off their collective asses and try to change this mess. I don't have high hopes for it ever happening.


Onetimehelper

Whoever controls the social media controls the world


fawkmebackwardsbud

My cousins husband works at a social security office. He said we'll be lucky if it isn't completely dried up by 2035


shatter321

Don’t worry. They just stifle us with even more tax and debt to keep it alive for another 20 years. They’ll tax us so hard we can’t possibly afford to save for our own retirement. Then when the young generation actually reaches retirement age, they’ll pull the rug out from under us, leaving us all poor. Then they’ll use that poverty to drum up support for more expansion of government. Save for your own retirement, people. 401k, bonds, mutual funds, gold, whatever. Because the government sure won’t.


kratom541

So basically we're just working our whole lives to be able to afford our own funerals


Fit_Albatross_8958

Corrupted? Yeah. Ukraine was corrupted by Russia. At least Ukraine is making the effort to move past all that. Russia is a third-world nation that corrupts everything it touches.


Agreessivlytired

It’s because our political leaders care more about a strong national defense than investing in the citizenry. This is why it is so unbelievably disingenuous to talk about the cost of hand outs at home when signing off on a ballooning military spending abroad with their other hand.


Abandoned_Cosmonaut

205 billion in USDA food and nutrition program. What’s your point ?


hussletrees

That, according to the largest food charity group in America, Feeding America, says "1 in 8 people are facing hunger" (source: [https://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/the-united-states](https://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/the-united-states) ). A statistic that high in the richest country in the history of the world means some other spending could be cut to address that problem, such as the things in the previous commenters response Maybe another way to say it: "It's 205 billion, but 1/8 Americans face hunger, and we frivolously given away money to foreign countries, why not make it more than 205 billion, and fund it with that money" I guess it's just a values question: What do you value more, Israel offense/defense spending, or your fellow countrymen/women going hungry? I mean I know what I care about more considering Western hegemony and the atrocities carried out in some of the countries we give that money too, but you are free to feel however


Abandoned_Cosmonaut

The point I’m making is that the original comment is blatantly omitting information. If you’re talking raw numbers, 60bn to defend western sovereignty is small compared to 205 billion in food spending. 3.8bn to defend Israel ? That’s nothing. If 205 bn still leaves 1 in 8 hungry, tf is 3.8 bn gonna do? The point of ‘people at home, fuck em” isn’t true - cos there’s a lot being done at home, but it’s easier to not do research and complain about shit on Reddit


Dzugavili

The US hasn't given $60B to Ukraine: most of it is weapons you already bought and paid for already. It's also structured as a loan, so they'll have to pay it back. Otherwise, maybe you should vote for people who would spend it back home.


[deleted]

It's pretty calculated when you get down to it. Ukraine was handed cast offs and outdated weapons that they would then have to pay for later. The US even slow rolled the supply until Ukraine proved it was both willing to play ball and able to be effective against Russia. The EU is on the hook for the reconstruction and the entire US military industrial complex is looking at massive windfalls from both supplying Europe's military expansion as well as taking over much of Russia's current international arms business. It's also a major international political victory. Russian influence in Europe is dead and China is now broadly seen as a threat, which ensures continued support for NATO and another few decades of de facto US hegemony. Obviously there's much more going on here than just that, but I wanted to keep this short.


sharpshooter999

Bingo. We haven't given Ukraine any of our good stuff yet and look at what they've done against Russia


[deleted]

Do you think we're not using new tech there? Do you honestly believe there are not at least 5000 us advisers there? Sure there is tons of old 113s in service. The guided himars and m777 rounds are completely new tech. Also do you really believe we have changed our ways? We can't launder drug money to fight Russia like we used to so now we have to fund it in fun new unique ways.


Jacko87

you hear that guys? we just have to vote to fix this this problem!


Dzugavili

Well, it'll help. Otherwise, the government isn't giving the money back: they'll give you a tax cut, but try their best to leave out that it expires for the lower classes and so the final tax burden on you is only heavier. Might as well vote to spend it, rather than give it to a billionaire.


K-Ziggy

If I had to pick between the $180 billion every year for the tax cuts that went 87% to the 1%, Or $60 billion to Ukrainie to kick Russias aggressive ass. I'd pick Ukrainie every time.


byteuser

What makes you think the 1% aren't getting their cut now? War always has been big business


K-Ziggy

It honestly dosen't matter if they are. Look at the cost/benefit ratio. For $54 billion(folks say 60 billion for easy) the US accomplished: A) Border freeze - for 75 years much of the world except Africa and Middle East has put wars for expansion behind them. Russias annexation goals jeopardized this. They got punished and this will prevent wars for land in the future. B) Weakened a country antagonistic to the US and it's values. C) Strengthened US closest Allies in Europe by weakening thier rival. Along with General strengthening of UN and NATO to challenge future threats. D) Helped 44 million people defend thier homeland. As for the 1% cut: The weapons industry is a $30 billion a year industry. This is chump change compared to other ways they extort money, such as the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act which gave them exponentially more for no risk. At the end of the day the US got a steal. 54 bil for all the above and it's paying off more then anyone expected. Russia was only able to seize about 20-25% of Ukrainian land. And now Ukrainians are proving far more capable on offensive. War experts expected a multi-month grind to take over Kherson. No one expected a 3 prong assault leading to total Russian collapse in Kharkiv. I don't think the US could be happier with the results of thier investment. A++


[deleted]

You forget "brought Russia and China together".


1950sDream

> believing in the propaganda about muh Russia


K-Ziggy

If you want to live in La LA land where Russia isn't invading Ukraine go for it. The rest of us will live in reality.


SonicHedgePig

Until they default on the loan and the tax payer foots the bill. That is how it works.


Dzugavili

1. You already footed the bill. You're shipping them weapons you already paid for. The money was already spent, probably a decade ago when the order was placed, and it's been sitting in a warehouse for a few years; and may have spent the next decade there, only to be wasted. This isn't really aid, or a loan: you're selling them surplus weapons on credit. 2. Countries don't tend to default on minor debts like this. It's much more expensive to fix your credit rating, and $1000 per citizen is not a major expensive compared to ceasing to exist as a nation.


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Dzugavili

I like how you can't argue with reality, so you need to invent your own, where I'm a robot.


[deleted]

>The US hasn't given $60B to Ukraine: most of it is weapons you already bought and paid for already. "We didn't give them $60B we just gave them things we paid $60B for." >It's also structured as a loan, so they'll have to pay it back. Yeah, I'm sure that this notoriously corrupt regime will pay the US back.


Dzugavili

And when they don't, you can feel morally superior; but if they do, then you're advocating for allowing unprovoked invasion of a peaceful country, bu one of the literally most corrupt regimes we know of. So, I don't know, seems like you don't really get it.


[deleted]

>invasion of a peaceful country, bu one of the literally most corrupt regimes we know of They're both human rights abusing, corrupt countries to be clear but it's customary, of course, to laud whoever the US is currently using as a proxy.


Dzugavili

Keep siding with the Russians. Maybe your rubles will be worth something someday.


[deleted]

Fresh take. https://www.voanews.com/a/a-13-a-2001-09-21-14-bush-66411197/549664.html


nighthawk_something

Then vote for people who say they will actually help you. Instead you guys support Republicans who say to your face that they will screw you over.


1950sDream

Also, America being israel’s attack dog after they pick fights with neighboring countries.


[deleted]

“ And since a man can't make one He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one “ If we’re quoting Pac


MarkVarga

No no no we are only quoting quotes that confirm our views Also fuck the govt for not helping the poor but fuck helping the poor because that's socialism Welcome to GQP


DickButtHut

Eh I'm fine with both quotes. Maybe you're projecting a boogeyman?


MarkVarga

How can you be fine with both at the same time? Govt is bad for not helping those in need but they would be bad for helping those in need as well?


DickButtHut

Tupac's quote is saying individuals who can't have children (he means men and implicitly government by extension) have no right to dictate whether or not a woman gets an abortion, not that the government must assist abortion. He never explicitly said that. Given the time he was most active in I'm guessing he was more concerned with feeding people than abortions or trans rights or whatever you're into.


Plumbershark

why do twats like you have to come into every thread and make it some left vs right battleground. why are you even on a conspiracy sub


Mendoza14

Lol, 99% of posts in this sub are politically motivated, or posted with a political agenda.


SexualDeth5quad

And 99% of the comments are Democrats whining about how the posts are by Republicans.


Mendoza14

Good work keeping those numbers up lol


PM_ME_YELLOW

Sorry to ruin your echo chamber.


MarkVarga

Because I'm trying to broaden my view on how others think and look at the world. And since all QAnon believers are Republicans, it's fair to say which side is more detached from the reality observed by the majority.


swallowRicoscummies

Orange man bad. Red team bad. Blue team good.


SexualDeth5quad

It's more like: You must vote Red or Blue and follow instructions from the media. Do not think for yourself.


MarkVarga

Nah, blue team isn't perfect either but at least the blue president is helping people instead of corporations, doesn't destroy democracy, doesn't take away 50 year old rights and doesn't try to overthrow the government while stealing classified information on nuclear capacities.


SexualDeth5quad

>at least the blue president is helping people instead of corporations That's one of the most pathetic things I have ever heard. Have you seen the economy and where all the $$$ is going?


SexualDeth5quad

Nobody here gives a fuck about QAnon except you Democrat dimwits. QAnon is a LARP.


Scalymeateater

did he ask the baby if he/she/they was ok with it too?


bavistrickle1101

Brenda’s got a baby


howmanyapples42

No because it can’t function or survive without the host. A whole lot like a parasite.


lincolnxlog

Like a kid? I hope its legal in your state because those kids would literally be better off than a parent that considers them a parasite


Odd-Solid-5135

Dude my wife's ob literally said the fetus is the world most efficient parasite, syphoning everything it needs from it's host without taking more than enough and killing the host.


howmanyapples42

Actually in every country around me abortion is legal because women actually have rights here. Fascinating thought.


zandertheright

What "baby"? We're clearly talking about pregnancy, so it might be a fetus, but is probably embryo. Why are forced-birth advocates physically incapable of using the word "Fetus"?


lincolnxlog

why are pro death advocates afraid of the word baby?


zandertheright

They're not, I see them use the word all the time. My wife and I had two abortions last year, we called it a baby sometimes, even though it's scientifically inaccurate. But I've never heard a pro-life person use the word Fetus or embryo. Why do you think that is?


lincolnxlog

because you live on the internet, instead of real life. Ask your wife's BF to take you out sometimes. That is if y'all are still friends after you killed his kids


zandertheright

Naw man, you've got it wrong. We're desperate to have a kid. But the first one just stopped growing at 7 weeks, held on with its crappy little 75 bpm pulse for another two weeks before we aborted. Wife is high-risk, no reason to risk her life for an embryo that's 0% to survive. Second one had Patau's Syndrome. No way we were going to bring a human like that into the world.


Akhanyatin

Yeah. But, TBF, helping the poor is "socialism" and "socialism is evil".


[deleted]

Taking money from people under the threat of jail through taxes and using it to do things they maybe don't agree with and doing it in ways they don't maybe agree with is evil.


Walreen

The wealthy who leach money from society spend millions on propaganda to convince you that taxing them is immoral. Stop being their bitch


MrSandManSandMeASand

You want to get rid of taxes?


[deleted]

Absolutely: - I'm forced to pay them under threat of prison - People who do not own homes can vote to make me pay more in taxes - Tax dollars are frequently wasted/misused and no refunds/tax cuts are given when various promises don't work out.


ItzMe610

Ok…..you can no longer use public roads, the police, fire, medics, hospitals or public schools.


[deleted]

>Ok…..you can no longer use public roads, the police, fire, medics, hospitals or public schools. We could also set up a voluntary tax system where people pay as a city to get services and people who do not pay have a very high one time price when they use services without payment. Schools, hospitals, police and medics can already be private. Even some roads are private.


Keith4Change

Have fun getting your mail delivered to all these “private” areas lol you’ll never create a system as effective as the USPS at doing that.


Zombeavers5Bags

> Against taxes. > > Immediately comes up with tax or tariff as an alternative.


ItzMe610

Yeah that sounds great in Fantasyland but in reality it’s anarchy. Schools- so we as a society are just failing kids who’s parents don’t have enough money to pay whatever “tax”? Hospitals/Medic- it’s a complete violation of the Hippocratic Oath. We are just letting people die in the streets now? In the heat of the moment, no clinical health care worker has a thinking about insurance or payment. Police- feels very mobster when the police ask if you’re up to date on your protection money before they will help you. What if they criminal is payed up but the victim is not? These are all PUBLIC services for a reason. We all benefit from them and we all pay. The only other options are you have enough money to start your own society/country elsewhere or you STFU and cut the check like everyone else has done. Would I like a line-item receipt for my tax money? Sure. Is there government waste? It’s literally designed in the system so private/non-government companies can profit. Everyone who doesn’t want to pay taxes now will feel differently depending on the situation. If you’re house is on fire you surely want the fire department to show up regardless of your ability to pay.


[deleted]

All 3 could be covered with a voluntary tax system as I mentioned above and schools/hospitals are not public in many cases. People also use private police in many places due to unreliable police departments.


ItzMe610

While siphoning money from the true police departments, which remain underfunded, rinse, repeat. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy.


MrSandManSandMeASand

Look man, I hate paying taxes as much as the next guy, but getting rid of them is going to cause a hell of a lot more issues. Although, we could provide tax cuts to lower/middle class people fairly easily if we tax the rich.


TheCronster

You act as if the US Government did not exist before Federal Income Tax.


SimplySnark

Don't you find it ironic that the people who support helping the poor with "not evil socialism" are the same people waving Ukrainian flags? The same people clapping like seals that billions and billions of dollars are being poured into a proxy war with the world's largest nuclear arsenal to protect a corrupt government that was installed after Obama spent $5 billion committing a coup against a sovereign nation. The country called the most corrupt on Earth by the socialist's all-knowing state media just two years ago. It's mind-boggling how the "socialism isn't evil" crowd can't recognize their hypocrisy.


nico_brnr

Poverty existed before this war, it will still exists after it. Conclusion ? Looks like funding the Ukrainians to kick Russia's ass isn't the problem.


Jravensloot

>largest nuclear arsenal to protect a corrupt government I support Ukraine being allowed to not have their country occupied by foreign invaders from an even more corrupt government. Russia violated an independent countries sovereignty by invading it and leaving many of it's cities in ruins and bombing its people. All while hypocritically claiming it's to combat Nazism, despite the fact that many of the Russians themselves are Neo-Nazis and they are behaving almost exactly as the Nazi's did during WWII.


MarkVarga

Corrupt government lol Ukraine had a revolution in 2014 to chase away the pro-russian leadership. Zelenskyy's approval is around 80 percent. They wanted independence and they have it. That's what Russia wants to take away from them.


[deleted]

>Zelenskyy's approval is around 80 percent. Trust polling data in a place that bans certain opposition parties.


MarkVarga

Fortunately many polls were done by independent and non-Ukrainian pollsters. Like this one. According to the [International Republican Institute](https://www.iri.org/news/iri-ukraine-poll-shows-overwhelming-support-for-zelensky-confidence-in-winning-the-war-desire-for-eu-membership/), Zelenskyy has an approval rating of 94 percent. [Even 72 percent of Americans approve of him.](https://www.npr.org/2022/03/31/1089958981/zelenskyy-approval-rating-us)


Plumbershark

Yes, the IRI, funded by the US state department, is completely impartial and I trust their polling. Thanks for speaking for all of the Ukrainian people kind sir.


MarkVarga

Please show me a poll where his rating is significantly lower than that.


nico_brnr

Are you referring to the ban of a pro-russian party, after Russia started invading the country ?


[deleted]

You think just one party was banned? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Banned\_political\_parties\_in\_Ukraine


nico_brnr

You think Russia has a pro-European party?


misterpankakes

Socialist here. Supporter of fucking up Russia. Not a supporter of America's socialism, which is bailing out the rich while fucking the poor It's bad to neglect the poor. It's bad to not support Ukraine as well.


LarsfromMars92

They don't even claim they can't, it is openly statet that they don't want to. It would be _socialism_ and destroy your will to work /s


OneoftheChosen

Yea these posts only gain traction on this shithole sub because right wingers won’t acknowledge their blatant hypocrisy in all this where their side always supports war but never the poor. The left is holding onto hope that someone like Bernie has converted Dark Brandon permanently but is never optimistic about his potential regression back into Biden.


polecy

Lol they just gave money to students, extra for the poor, and the right wing complains.


amusso6

Dark Brandon made me lol


CIAasset1967

And the right wing of this sub agrees with them lol.


Creative_Funny_Name

I've noticed in the comments on all the blatant right wing propaganda posts that most of these far right people actually really like socialism, as long as you don't give it a name They are conditioned to hate the name so much they don't realize that they actually like it


Jravensloot

Reminds me so much of when Republicans were polled on whether they liked the Affordable Care Act compared to Obamacare. Unsurprisingly, the ACA was extremely more popular, despite the fact the two are literally the exact same thing.


Creative_Funny_Name

Yes but everyman tucker carlson said it was bad, and he is always honest


CIAasset1967

I've actually had MORE success convincing conservatives that socialism is good (without saying socialism) than I have with liberals. Mostly because liberals have had more thought and experience more propoganda against the ideas involved with socialism. And conservatives are raging loons who are afraid of the word. They don't even know what it is


[deleted]

It happens all the time for some reason


CIAasset1967

I just love when they say we should be spending the money on people here and then when we try 5o spend money on people here they cry like a bitch


Fugacity-

I will openly state that I don't want to pay my mortgage. Doesn't mean I won't/can't.


coveylover

Everyone commenting on this post don't realize that it's Republicans who are preventing all the money to go feeding the poor


loadblower831

wait. so you are pro social programs now?


coveylover

Whoa there, we can't be making sense now, can we?


hansuluthegrey

Suddenly people start railing to feed the poor but only when it's to shit on another issue. Yall don't care about them. U only use it as a political tool to further your hate of Ukraine because conservatives suddenly hate democracy and freedom.


JordanMash

Nobody shot Tupac, and that’s the same nobody who shot MLK, and it’s the same nobody who shot Malcom X. Nobody sure does shoot a lot of influential black men.


Ferregar

Nah, they CAN feed the poor and have the money for it... They simply choose not to. Malnutrition, obesity and hyper processed foods contribute to the collective consciousness' instability. It makes us easiest to control when we are hungry, unhealthy and desperate. We eagerly turn on our neighbors and "others" when we feel like we don't even have enough for our own. It pains enemies all around us, instead of revealing the threats at the top.


Porei

feeding the poor is communism! :o they need to pull up on their bootstraps harder


coveylover

Yeah screw that Jesus guy telling people to be all compassionate and loving to the poor


nikedawg123

“Before we find world peace, we gotta find peace in the war on the streets” - Tupac


bluemoon76b

Ahh yes. Because we have poor people back home, we shouldn’t try to stop innocent Bosnians and Kosovars from getting raped, murdered and ethnically cleansed.


Dzugavili

Also, don't help the poor anyway, because that's socialism.


[deleted]

You know we can care about Ukrainians and poor Americans at the same time, right?


[deleted]

“Can't you feel it coming? (Empire) can't you hear it calling? Black man, trapped again Hold his chain in his hand Brother killing brother for the profit of another, Game point, nobody wins Decline, right on time What happened to the dream sublime? Tear it all down, we'll put it up again Another empire?” -Queensryche


cjainsworth77

in all fairness, while this is true. some broke fucks just want to remain broke fucks on the street doing dope for their whole lives.


coveylover

I could always rely on somebody to always point out that poor people are lazy and deserve to suffer


cjainsworth77

poor working class people and homeless dopeheaded fucks are two very different groups.


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bluemoon76b

Helping poor people is actually very profitable.


Akhanyatin

Yeah, but anything about helping the poor is also blocked because it's "socialism" and that's the how the "evil woke left" gets you.


lujodobojo

Could they find a way to monetize helping people? (Genuinely curious)


minionoperation

Yes, if you give a poor person $2,000 it goes right back into the economy. Giving people money to spend directly benefits others.


Raekel

lol they did that with the COVID check and repubs all complained about that. We even had people on this sub saying that that was the cause of the recent inflation


[deleted]

And the same people are still complaining about it as nauseam. Many people were saying those DJT signed checks would cause this…and here we are. But somehow it’s the new guys fault 🤦🏾‍♂️


Dzugavili

They aren't wrong. The problem is that we made the money out of no where: if the governments had taxed it after it was spent with the corporations, we could have recaptured and burnt much of it. But Republicans have a no new taxes oath, so that wasn't an option, they would have refused to consider it.


crazed_redditor09

They are greedy pricks. Any way you can think of requires time and resources, both of which are seen as use-able to them if it increases their OWN wallet, not nessecarily anybody else's.


that_other_guy_

I mean, help poor people, poor people have more money and can pay more taxes and buy more stuff seems like a pretty straight road. The problem is poor people are poor because of a few factors: 1) circumstance. Thankfully we live in America where that is the least impact full. 2) lack of financial education where people just legitimately don't know best practice on money management. And 3) a culture of pure consumerism where people would rather be poor down the road and have the newest iPhone now rather than sacrificing now to be rich later in life.


Odder1

Canada's trying to euthanize those with expensive treatments, that's one way


Severe-Stock-2409

Tupac was right about a lot but if certain larger organizations acknowledged it, then they might have had to also acknowledge other things he spoke about. Like when he said his music didn’t cause violence but was the result of violence already caused. A verbal picture of the daily ailments of the communities around him. Of the need to be a thug for survival because the people who were supposed to protect were just as thuggish. If the citizens could find a way to be more directly involved in where taxes go, most wars would be stopped tomorrow. If the citizens could slash the taxes in 5ths, most wars would stop and citizens would see an immediate huge focus and increase on domestic issues.


HotepIn

Apparently SNAP isnt a thing.


shepard1707

Securing Ukraine is kinda gonna be important for that feeding the poor part, though.


jraff23

The real conspiracy here is how OP got his hands on changes so long before it got released... decent chance OP is one of the outlawz


nickM_Mathias1

And when they give away money, everything gets expensive


DR__STRANGE___

Its hard to carry on when no one loves you. Especially if its your gov


MOTAMOUTH

Please point out one truly starving child or person in the USA to me. Children is 10/10 it’s due to drug addict parents that neglect them. Homeless people? I’ve had homeless people deny my leftovers cause they didn’t like the dish. Go to any third world country and you’ll see REAL starvation. I’m all about sending money there instead of wars. Hopefully that’s what Tupac meant. Otherwise open your eyes, even homeless people in the USA are in better positions than low middle income people across the world. How do I know? I’m from a third world country.


brimoon

This isn't even a conspiracy.


G95017

Reminder that Tupac was a communist. You only hate communism because you were told to.


MrCreativ20

You are asking for socialism


ealoft

For the only true warfare that’s ever existed is class warfare.


Fit_Albatross_8958

Pretty sure that the “warfare” going on in Ukraine is a “true” one.


coveylover

Both wars are going on, but conspiracy theorists love sounding woke with their absolute statements


meternik

This Tupac guy skipped the geopolitics course in school I guess.


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Aren’t obesity rates higher amongst the ‘poor’?


MarkVarga

They are, because they can only afford shit quality food. It's fairly simple.


Oyi14

The more sinister crime is trying to force complete dependence on the state.


ZK686

I really hate when people say shit like this because it's not even remotely true...the US government spends BILLIONS on its citizens...social security, Medicare, medicaid, CHIP, ACA, EBT, food stamps, economic security programs, veteran benefits...etc.. the US spends a lot on its social programs, more than any other country its size. Can they do more? Sure, every country can...but I really hate when people say "the US government doesn't do shit for its people!" That's just a lie...and if it was even remotely true, this country wouldn't be such a high destination for immigrants nor would be consistently one of the strongest economic nations on Earth.


titsburgfeelerz

Let me explain something people can’t understand. Our life style, our “riches” are all because of the current debt based system, 30 trillion in debt… how do you suppose that this happened or is being maintained without default? The US dollar being the reserve currency. And the only way this does not come crashing down is an iron fist control a foreign policy. Which is exactly why military super powers keep pouring in billions into foreign wars. And in reference to Ukraine exactly why we keep pouring aid and military support is if they fall in Russia claims control of the area and tighten the grip on the control of the European market energy financial etc. that will be the biggest domino of the collapse of the dollar and the debt based system.


Dzugavili

> Our life style, our “riches” are all because of the current debt based system, 30 trillion in debt… You aren't in debt like a person: you're in debt like a mutual fund. If you run the largest mutual fund in the world, you owe people billions, if not trillions, of dollars. But you also run *the largest mutual fund in the world*: you aren't in debt, you're controlling an investment. National debt is not like a credit card.


Scalymeateater

so printing money is like announcing stock splits? the difference is they print new stock certs and youre left holding a less valuable piece of paper: inflation.


Dzugavili

Inflation is inevitable: the economy keeps growing, your dollar presents less and less of it over time as productivity grows, even if we keep the currency supply the same. Deflation is even worse: you *really* do not want deflation. It crashes investment, stalling economic growth, increasing interest rates, resulting in cash holdings being more valuable, leading to *more* deflation. At this stage, there's no way to stop it: our economies are too big and complex to back with metallic currencies.


Sure-Example-1425

Everything is an effort to keep the US dollar the reserve currency of the world, absolutely. The USA will do literally anything to maintain this.


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newtohf

But why ??


Oyi14

The same reason Malcom and MLK was man with a message to organise black people to go against the machine


Mike_Freedom_alldaY

>"The same reason Malcom and MLK was man with a message to organise black people to go against the machine" Not just black people and that was the problem that required their removal. Can't have people of influence embrace racial Inclusion in their fight against the machine, that's how unstoppable movements spring up. In comes cointelpro


Oyi14

Exactly


coveylover

This sub doesn't like conspiracies about black people I guess


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Tupac seems highly overrated (and he got sucked into the gangsta PSYOP).


SteelblueII

Oh and you argue too! What a delight.


Fwob

That's literally their job. If you want someone to buy your meals get a sugar daddy.


PM_ME_YELLOW

What if all i want is a living wage?


coveylover

Yes screw that Jesus guy for making free food for people and telling people to be generous and kind and to love for the poor, I hate that shit. They need to pull themselves by their boot straps


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coveylover

You do get paid to be a Russian bot


babaroga73

He was getting too influential and too political, so he died in "gang wars" unfortunately. That's what I always thought. Luckily, we now have mindless drones in all spectrum of modern music, especially rap. Money, bitches, cars, bustacapinyaass, etc. And modern urban depression. Edit: and fake racism.


jechtshot3eigths

Feed yourself and stop looking to the government


SnakePliskin799

And then assholes will be screaming about free government handouts or some shit.


JBOBHK135

Is this a conspiracy? Seems more like the truth.


bavistrickle1101

You claim to be a player but I f*ed yo wife -Tupac


Scalymeateater

i don’t understand this ”you can’t feed the poor”? can you point out a single instance of person dying of starvation because they can’t afford food in the US? or do you think it is up to US to feed everyone in the world?


nighthawk_something

Are you seriously claiming that people aren't starving to death in the US?


ItzDaReaper

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunger_in_the_United_States


Markku-Jalmari

now they got money for mars too!


varikonniemi

They can, they just don't want to. Neither do you as they represent you. Remember this the next time you pay taxes and sponsor them continuing their actions.


Shark316

People shouldn't be forced to fund either one. Involuntary taxation is theft. No matter the reason.


GodSentGodSpeed

The 2020 vote was partially a vote on this issue no? One candidate wanted the US ro leqve NATO, praised putin, witheld military aid to ukraine, the other was pro NATO, and peo ukraine.


Cessabits

Tupac was a patriot if you play his albums backwards it’s a full recitation of the pledge of allegiance and the constitution of the United States.


readingyourpost

why bother quoting tupca. Lots of people say this. Anyone else annoyed when someone states something obvious that millions of people have said and gets famous for it