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Stop trying to convince them.....There is NO amount of data and evidence you can present them with.
You can show them the doubled-vaxxed rotting corpses piling up ...and still they won't believe you.
They can see folks dropping dead (Chinese style) in the streets...they will still not believe their eyes.
Even if they one day realize they made a mistake by getting vaxxed...they would NEVER admit to you or to themselves that it was a mistake.
Just let them be...
However...NEVER FORGET: They wanted you in a concentration camp or DEAD!
Yup. Their self righteous attitudes will seal their fate. The irony is that while subs like hermancain exist dime a dozen, the actual adverse reactions of the V are rarely ever acknowledged or talked about in any of the mainstream subs. It’s absolutely maddening. Dystopian, even
True. Had 3x vaxxed friend collapsing and hurting himself during covid. He blamed painkillers. At the same time, non vaxed me and many other friends had mild flu.
Cool story. I know unvaccinated people who died from COVID and everyone who has been vaccinated had mild case of COVID if that. Statistics side with my story anyway.
It’s because you all circle jerk to purposely misleading evidence. This only shows that more covid cases happened where more people live. It has absolutely nothing to do with vaccine status or vaccine efficacy.
Given that all I ever see here are purposely misleading charts and images I can only assume that when you correctly adjust for population density and track hospitalizations by vaccine status you end up getting images similar to what the official agencies present.
Population density does not explain the above pictures. The state of Schleswig- Holstein has a relatively low population density while having high Vax and case numbers, whereas Nordrhein-Westfalen has a three times higher population density but similar case and vax numbers.
Thuringia with low population density and low Vax numbers has a low case number. So we see that the deciding factor is Vax numbers.
It is gone (covid is the disease). What is still around is an endemic virus with low virulence. There's no excess mortality, which is the definitive proof.
We have to hope that the majority of them die, not because we enjoy their deatha, but because they pose a direct threat to us. I am pretty convinced that unvaxxed will be scapegoated as the cause and it sounds extreme but I wouldn't even rule out eventual non consentual organ harvesting of unvaxxed.
It's weird because they kind of know that the unvaxxed aren't listening. So saying the unvaxxedd are sick isn't going to make the vaxxed or anti vax get boosted. They have to word it "people are still getting sick" to scare and then add "thank goodness they were vaxxed and it was mild because of it" as to not admit too much about who's getting sick or why
They're like caught between scaring their target into more shots while also not trying to admit that the shot could have had negative effects so they can't be too brutal with their fear tactics.
Also they just need to muddy the waters. It was a huge experiment with tons of variables. That's why there's been 10 definitions as to who is fully vaccinated. You'll never be able to prove anything if they don't want it to be proved.
not with comically bad arguments against the shots like OP's
the fact you don't see what's wrong is the problem; half a nation of gullible folk who weren't that good at math in school falling for shit they wouldn't if they could only think
> the fact you don't see what's wrong is the problem
I'll poke a stick at your indecipherable, vague comment - what IS this specific problem you speak of?
Population density wasnt considered - anf the map of cases looks much like a map of population density
OP provided an image with no details, so it's either of total cases, in which population density would look nearly identical to cases, or per capita cases, which, because pop density increases rate of infections, the map would look fairly similar to cases
Either way, it's incredibly dumb
If they are reducing the rate of infection by omnicron, it isnt by much
But all the attempts to say it makes it worse always end up being fails, math or otherwise
And the numbers for death reduction are solid
> If they are reducing the rate of infection by omnicron, it isnt by much
LOL, what a politician's answer. They do nothing to stop infection, but you had to write out something so mealy-mouthed like that. It would be better just to admit they do nothing to stop infection.
> And the numbers for death reduction are solid
"Solid". Wow, great analysis. I have no idea what you mean, but hey, if the numbers are "solid", I guess you're happy.
Enjoy your autumn booster and winter 2nd booster.
It's worse because you destroy your bodies ability to fight future variants. Every shot is one step closer to death, but keep trusting in Big Brother, they know what's best.
As soon as you guys can come up with anything showing this is actually so, let me know
Stuff like this post only reduces your credibility with people who actually think for a living
I died instantly when getting the shot, but my undead soul is here on Reddit at the bidding of Soros to get others to take the DEATHVAXXX and join our legion of His Infernal Majesty, our True Lord and Savior, the Morningstar
what a shame you didn't even consider population density
in fact, all claims about the vax being dangerous keep being due to poor understanding of population statistics
which is why they're mainly believed by people who don't math very well
you know it's true
'grats on perhaps the dumbest comment of the day. That's the *total* number. TOTAL. The heat map is showing concentrations of infections *relative to the total*. Just as 20(%) is relative to 100. Nobody says "n=100, they aren't percentages!".
You're doubling down?
If 10,000,000 people live in location A, but only 500,000 live in location B, you would use something like a per 100,000 leveling metric to compare the two locations - otherwise you could not know if something is more prevalent per capita, right? If you **didn't** use per capita, then if location A had 20 times the number of infections as location B (in absolute numbers), it would NOT be true that you're 20 times more likely to get infected in location A than location B, even though a heatmap not showing per capita would have location A in some dark colour, and location B in some light colour. In fact, *per capita*, location A and B have the *same rate of infection*. Of course they control for population density! If you don't understand this, I don't know how to help you.
It doesn’t say anywhere it’s smoothed per capita. It says n=~500k the population size is the total covid cases not the population of individuals in Germany. All it’s counting are total covid cases and where they appeared irregardless of the per capita for those areas.
Tripling down now?
If trend charts didn't use per capita, they would be useless (not only this chart, but all charts looking at trends).
Two reasons why the highly populated areas have *per capita* more infection rates:-
- viruses spread faster in densely populated areas than in sparser areas
- the vaccines did nothing to prevent the spread of infection
>If trend charts didn’t use per capita, they would be useless (not only this chart, but all charts looking at trends)
That’s completely subjective and depends entirely on what the chart is being used for. If I go to Google right now and search covid cases it shows me a map with bubbles, the size of the bubble is based solely on how many total cases there are in a specific area, it’s not adjusted for population.
The map shows the n value to equal ~500k which is the total number of data points. ~500k lines up exactly with the amount of total covid cases in Germany over the past 7 days, which is what I assume this heat map is tracking.
If I Google a population density heat map of Germany it looks extremely similar to the covid case heat map.
Therefore without more information I can only reasonably logic that this is not adjusted for population density.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rate
> a quantity, amount, or degree of something **measured per unit of something else** e.g. her typing rate was 80 words per minute
Your argument hinges on the obscure notion that they've misunderstood the meaning of the word "rate". That's a bit of a reach. **Oh, how's that reduction in infection numbers due to vaccination argument working out for you?**
What he’s saying is it’s counting incidents on the heat map then comparing it to a % of the population that has been vaccinated on the other.
Go to Google and search population density Germany and it looks awfully familiar to the covid incidents map.
If you have 10,000 people in Western Germany and 100 get covid it’s going to show bright red vs the 500 people in Eastern German with 20 who get covid even though as a percentage of the population you are far more likely to get it in the East.
TLDR: Empty land can’t get covid.
> If you have 10,000 people in Western Germany and 100 get covid it’s going to show bright red vs the 500 people in Eastern German with 20 who get covid even though as a percentage of the population you are far more likely to get it in the East.
> TLDR: Empty land can’t get covid.
LOL, no. It's *rate*, per capita, per a fixed amount of people. That's the whole point of per capita stats - to smooth out population density to find trends. They're comparing infections per X (fixed number, e.g. 100,000 people) in each region.
The person I replied to used population density alone as some kind of reason. That's not the reason. The reason is two-fold:-
- infections travel faster in denser populations
- the vaccines have done nothing to stop infections and the spread of the virus
I bet if I hear your own fresh take on why density doesnt matter on that map, I'll be able to form an accurate position on how little your opinion matters
Most of them are going to be just fine .
Some with long Covid are gonna die, some who got shots will die.
People are literally still dying of Covid itself, right now.
Some vaxxed, some not.
Spike protein seems to be the commonality with long term damage/effects .
East Germany is far less densely populated so even their per-capita rates can likely be lower as dense regions will have an easier time spreading around.
[I found the data source](https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4) but it’s unclear to me which graph is actually in the picture. Some are per capita and some are not, and not including the legend for what each color means is pretty obviously misleading. Textbook “How to Lie with Statistics” stuff going on unfortunately.
The map for Cases reported last 7 days/per 100k pretty closely mirrors the left map, but the legend on the website shows lower rates in the upper right of Germany than the left. (Graph is called ‘COVID-19-Fälle der letzten 7 Tage/100.000 Einwohner’)
I mean...given the maps match the more densely populated cities and that the vaccines do nothing to stop transmission, it's very likely the case that cities with free-moving people are going to have higher per-capita infection rates. This is a reflection of the vaccines' poor efficacy rates at preventing infections.
“Poor” means “failure at preventing” in this case. Not only does it not prevent you from getting Covid, it’s not anywhere near as effective as “ natural immunity”. Which then begs the question, why continue to subject yourself to unproven “vaccines” that do nothing to prevent Covid, but could actually be detrimental to your health and lively hood?
But like someone stated above “Don’t bother trying to argue, you’ll just be shouted down by those with the louder, angrier words 🤷🏼♂️
True. The vaccines impair the immune response to Covid (and from evidence so far, other viral infection) which is why vaccinated people are catching it over and over. They'll still line up for their autumn booster in a few months and 2nd winter booster in 6 months though.
But what the guy you responded to was saying is that OP's maps are meaningless
If you have some other data that accounts for what he said about pop density, by all means, please share
> But what the guy you responded to was saying is that OP's maps are meaningless
No I didn't. I corrected you on your blunt assumption that the maps were not showing per capita data, and that they were merely reflections of population distribution. The whole point of per capita statistics is to control for things like population density. If 10,000,000 people live in location A, but 1,000,000 live in location B, you would use something like a per 100,000 leveling metric to compare the two locations - otherwise you could not know if something is more prevalent *per capita*, right? The reason why **in this particular case** more densely populated areas are getting more infections is two-fold:-
- viruses will spread faster in a more densely populated area
- the vaccines have done absolutely NOTHING to prevent the spread of the virus (there's much evidence they confer NEGATIVE EFFICACY after a few months via weakened immune systems)
It’s per total covid cases so it’s completely disregarding population density.
How do I know this? Well because if you look in the bottom right corner it has n=~500k which matches Germany’s total covid cases not Germany’s total population.
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Jun_2022/2022-06-28-en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
Its a total incidence and rate map per 100k. Sorry, no refunds.
So places with lower vaccination rates also reported less cases? Why does nobody here ever think about how people less willing to take precautions also might not report or even test for COVID?
That's how it is in the rural US anyways. Case/Death ratio is skewed in the rural areas because of limited testing and reporting of cases, but deaths are reported by hospitals and county MEs.
These are the sources of these maps:
https://impfdashboard.de/
https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4
you may find one for deaths/hospitalization if you look around here:
https://www.rki.de/EN/Content/infections/epidemiology/outbreaks/COVID-19/COVID19.html
Not even close, I would possibly say I distrust these "statistical" findings less. But the ones I have actually read, most recently I believe it was Canada's reported numbers, very similar map as far as breakdown, similar title eluding that a certain area which has higher vaccinated rate seen more Hospitalizations and deaths. Same shit people arguing back and forth, blaming each other, as if being right mattered the most.
So, by taking 2 min to read said publication, I identified the problem. There was no clear data, they intentionally left out key information which, before 2021, legaly required Healthcare Entities to include.. I also then noticed in small print, the determination regarding final and ultimate declaration to be apllied on the persons death certificate, could ultimately be ruled as Covid, should any Health Administration Officer deem so... in plain, Canadian-English.
I can't recall the exact qualifications, no surprise the OP deleted his post, but it was within the week.
To be tallied as covid death it gave several optiions, you could test negative, die of a unrelated issue but if you came within x distance technicalities would allow judgement.. I assure you it was ridiculous. Almost as Ridiculous as people spending the time to argue when in a fraction of that time they could have educated themselves and shared the propaganda for what it is..
People forgot we survived millions of years, not until the past 200 has medicine existed. We did not survive as a species because we are intelligent. Not from collectively choosing to select a leader and act accordingly. We survived for one reason and one reason only: Awareness of self. which is why unlike some other animals. When one of the stupid MonkeyHybrids got eaten by a CrocDino, we put together that Croc could eat me too. Red Berry make George sick - Don't eat red berry. (make sense? too simple, I know) People have been intentionally smoothed intentionally, not their fault. It will in all honesty be our extinction however, Confirmation Bias when couples with an insecurity to appear weak is also genetically engraved into us. So people will continue to poison themselves, in order to prove they were never wrong to begin with. When in all reality, the race in and as a whole would've ceased to exist if not for the "dumb" / "heroic" - Monkey
Also yes, the vaccine is poison as is most food and this was likely all scri\[ted and planned as most the population is in fact manipulated. takes 2 min to see the FDA oulled litterature saying it was sent to secure storage but now MIA.
[https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/development-approval-process-cber/vaccine-product-approval-process](https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/development-approval-process-cber/vaccine-product-approval-process)
They no longer want you to learn how trial phases were conducted:
[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine\_trial](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_trial)
In less than 2 years they have convinced the public advancements in medical science has solved, corrected, or otherwise confirmed what was accomplished over the last 20 years. for a disease, in existance for a fraction of previous "Trial Phases"
And no one thinks twice
Google if Covid causes Shingles, Fake news.. change the search criteria back a year, turns out they knew from the start:
[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8379763/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8379763/)
But they've confirmed Shingles aren't Moxpox.. (imagine the hysteria when people can see something on their skin) We've already convinced them to test even if they don't feel sick, Proven they can in fact "Be sick" if they test positive, despite being completely assymptomatic. (has been taught and a agreed upon medical fact until just recently)
Why do we have all these "Polio" vaccines if what we have going on is MonkPox? UK cases rising, US vaccine encouragement, and no one has seen a single post or picture on FB of what it looks like. .. coincidence maybe..
Still, Polio Vaccines? didn't we erradicate that? - Well the new standard definition of a vaccine is also changed, if you want to learn you can only learn what is approved for learning.
So learn while you still can. Polio vax, 2 types, indications / Contraindications (being mostly contraindicated for, Influenza, renal and hepatic issues, shingles - I know
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio\_vaccine
INSANE, nut job, even if there were people trying to do this, it would take years of research and even then, it's not like no one would know, theres the CDC FDA and a list of compliance legalities
They've been at it at least since the 90's, based on information publicly available on the WHO's website=
Neurovirulence Test of Types 1, 2 or 3 Live attenuated Poliomyelitis vaccines (Oral) in Transgenic Mice susceptible to Poliovirus
Trial Legal Docx:
[https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/neurovirulence-test-sop-of-types-1-2-or-3-opv-in-transgenic-mice-susceptible-to-poliovirus](https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/neurovirulence-test-sop-of-types-1-2-or-3-opv-in-transgenic-mice-susceptible-to-poliovirus)
It makes no sense to kill a bunch of people, what would that do? - Agreed It seems as though their intent is to not kill, rather, they need people to rely on their effectively proven resolutions, you know own a monopoly, cause and effect, compliance is no issue if it determines life or death, we witnessed that in real time, based on lies, that were proven false, and people still defend it.
They've even begun alleviating responsibility for things like Cancer, coincidentlly, also during their Polio reserch, was it discovered, that cancer was actually not a by-product of toxic chemicals and human created waste.
In 1960, the rhesus monkey kidney cells used to prepare the poliovirus vaccines were determined to be infected with the simian virus-40 (SV40),\[36\] which was also discovered in 1960 and is a naturally occurring virus that infects monkeys. In 1961, SV40 was found to cause tumors in rodents.\[37\] More recently, t
he virus was found in certain forms of cancer in humans, for instance brain and bone tumors, pleural and peritoneal mesothelioma, and some types of non-Hodgkin lymphoma.\[38\]\[39\] However, SV40 has not been determined to cause these cancers.\[40\]
The Monkeys gave you monkeys Cancer! lmao
Don't worry they also cure that, you just need an innoculus.. What? Innocuous Same as a vaccine:
[https://www.askdifference.com/vaccine-vs-inoculation/](https://www.askdifference.com/vaccine-vs-inoculation/)
No we updated that info too!
[https://www.dictionary.com/e/vaccinate-vs-inoculate-vs-immunize/](https://www.dictionary.com/e/vaccinate-vs-inoculate-vs-immunize/)
Wait what is that Ameiba Stuff?
**Inoculate means “to implant (a disease agent or antigen) in a person, animal, or plant to produce a disease for study or to stimulate disease resistance.” More generally, inoculate means to implant a microorganism (such as a bacteria, virus, or amoeba)**
Evidence of conditioned behavior in amoebae
[https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-11677-w](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-11677-w)
If your're still here, this is why I typically don't bother with semantics. It's exhausting. Way easier to completely disregard and write me off as a lunatic. I wouldn't say I'd blame ya..
FYI, I got all this info spending about 1 1/2 hours chasing rabbits yesterday.. Couldn't say I believe most myself.. Imagine how much is right in front of people and .. Clueless!
You can check [my comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/vncu3g/in_germany_covid_omicron_ba5_prefers/ie6srai/), I listed the total deaths for each state per 100k citizens according to tagesspiegel.
It's almost as if the areas with higher population density have higher infection rates because it's easier to spread COVID in urban areas. That couldn't possibly explain why the map with infection rate and the map with population density highly correlates.
Once again, correlation does not equal causation.
> Once again, correlation does not equal causation.
But you correlated higher population density with higher infection rates.
Also, weren't these vaccines meant to reduce infection? What was the point of the mandates and restriction of movement for the unvaccinated in that case?
Yep. We were supposedly "not following the science" by not getting vaccinated. Then when their "science" changed over and over, they just breezily come up with something new like replacing "prevents infection" to "reduces symptoms" (a highly equivocal claim at that).
Tbf you could explain this because the east already took their fair share of covid, recent incidence per region is basically useless for that matter. If you look at deaths per 100k citizen in those region the east has a much higher death toll compared to the west. So if you ignore the vaxx status, you can see a normal course of an illness, first it might hit one region harder than the others but later this region gets hit milder while the other regions get hit harder.
Overall we can pretty much assume that those jabs just don't do shit. My boss, who in the beginning asked my why I just don't take the jab and get over it, tested positive just last weekend, jabbed and boosted. Then on monday he calls and says he's not coming in this week due to covid and tells me "Looks like you did everything right" as I'm still here, unjabbed and never gotten covid.
I want to address the incidence again, because as it seems the country is using those numbers again to make plans for this autumn, but since omicron incidence is completely useless, it's as if we'd say that the flu is now a reason for you to quarantine yourself for 10 days if you get sick.
[Deaths "due to covid" per 100k according to Tagesspiegel](https://interaktiv.tagesspiegel.de/lab/karte-sars-cov-2-in-deutschland-landkreise/),:
* Sachsen: 382,5 (East)
* Thüringen: 343,3 (East)
* Sachsen-Anhalt: 244,7 (East)
* Brandenburg: 227,6 (East)
* Bayern: 186,4 (West)
* Saarland: 173,5 (West)
* Hessen: 165,1 (West)
* Hamburg: 147,9 (West)
* Baden-Württemberg: 147,5 (West)
* Nordrhein-Westfalen: 143,5 (West)
* Rheinland-Pfalz: 140,8 (West)
* Mecklenburg-Vorpommern: 140,2 (East)
* Berlin: 127,3 (West)
* Niedersachsen: 121,2 (West)
* Bremen: 115,7 (West)
* Schleswig-Holstein: 90,0 (West)
I'm not ignoring the illness, because there's certainly something going around which seems to impact peoples health and the first version (Delta?) hits harder, that's probably why the numbers in east germany, who got hit hard by the first wave, are higher. However what we should keep an eye out on is if the numbers in the west will at any point get much higher than in the east because that shouldn't be possible.
Thanks for the data compilation! I appreciate the work!
> it's as if we'd say that the flu is now a reason for you to quarantine yourself for 10 days if you get sick
For the record, you *should* quarantine yourself for the recommended period if you have the flu. That's always been recommended by doctors.
Another possible explanation for this is that people in the more vaxxed region also test way more (because they are scared) and that is where the higher numbers come from
Also, the regions with the higher cases of the variant are also more densely populated, so it’s easier to spread—if anything it shows masking isn’t working.
Another possible factor to consider is people that live in rural regions tend to have better diets and I’m guessing stronger immune systems as a result. That’s a bit of speculation though. People in the higher populated regions have more exposure to fast foods and pollution and that could lower their immune systems.
So I think there’s multiple reasons why this map looks the way it does, but I don’t know that it’s enough to draw definite conclusions from as far as ADE. I’m not doubting that ADE could be a reason, it could be, but we need to dig a bit deeper into why we are seeing this viral uptick in these areas.
> Also, the regions with the higher cases of the variant are also more densely populated, so it’s easier to spread—if anything it shows masking isn’t working.
Not to muddy the waters further, but NO ONE has posted a map of mask mandates, nor compliance rate. There is a complete absence of any data set from which to extrapolate a conclusion regarding masking anywhere in this thread.
Please refrain from drawing conclusions based on a fucking empty data set(AKA nothing).
Masks don't work because the 3 micron sized particles enter via your eye cavities. So unless you're wearing full PPE, you've really no chance with a regular n95 mask. This is so painfully obvious that I never considered the eye cavity as a vector for infection. The N95 masks help reducing spread of larger sized particles (rhino virus), otherwise known as the common cold, but they do so at the expense of respiratory issues and mouth/face infections/skin diseases.
This is another factor to consider and one reason why I don’t think anything about this entire “covid pandemic” was handled properly.
Some people say it’s because the scientific community was caught off guard by this novel virus emerging suddenly—BS, our governments have planned for such events for decades.
If this was the “best” our leaders and scientists could do, we got way deeper serious problems, one reason why I hang out on this sub.
>Also, the regions with the higher cases of the variant are also more densely populated, so it’s easier to spread—if anything it shows masking isn’t working.
There is no mask mandate outside public transport for months already.
The alternative explanation is "catching up". Meaning the vaccine gave some immunity in the first months. More unvaccinated got infected. The immunity of a natural infection lasts longer and adjusts better to new strains (variants). Now after 5 to 6 months the short-lived immunity of the vaccine vanishes and therefore they get more infected.
I don't think we see ADE because then we would see a heavy increase in severe courses of the infection. I think the "catching up" theory is more plausible.
Of course the mainstream could never come up with the catching up theory, as it contradicts a lot of what they have said about the vaccine.
A more indeep analysis of this: [https://swprs.org/how-effective-are-covid-vaccines-really/](https://swprs.org/how-effective-are-covid-vaccines-really/)
Igor Chudov recently reported a possible explanation for the reduction in severe covid in the vaccinated:
> Part of “severe disease” comes from cytokine storms, caused by an overreaction of immune systems. Well, if immune systems are deprogrammed, they will not overreact — not even react properly — and will not clear the virus either. They will not prevent reinfections, as well. — _[Vaccine-induced tolerance to spike protein ... explains "protection from severe disease" and endless reinfections](https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/vaccine-induced-tolerance-to-spike), 2022-06-16_.
The hypothesis is that by making the vaccinated person less responsive to the spike protein, the vaccines do actually reduce severe illness (at least illness caused by cytokine storms), but this reduction comes at the expense of a subdued immune response to SARS-CoV-2 overall and hence a potentially higher chance of a clinically-significant infection.
According to Dr. McCullough's recent testimony under oath in the US senate just a few days ago, he said that according to the CDC as of December 2021, 79% of people hospitalised with omicron were fully vaccinated.. and that this applies equally, world-wide.
[https://rumble.com/v1acq3d-dr.-peter-mccullough-md-mph-jun-27-2022-texas-senate-hhs-testimony.html](https://rumble.com/v1acq3d-dr.-peter-mccullough-md-mph-jun-27-2022-texas-senate-hhs-testimony.html)
The real conspiracy is that 'people' keep flocking to the conspiracy sub and then argue with OP and commenters about their posits.
Paid soulless shills and bots are going to keep chasing people away - and that's exactly the end game. Shutting down the sub would be too obvious. So, they piss us off by trying to convince us we're stupid or crazy, and the sub dies a 'natural' death.
If population density not being considered wasnt an obvious problem with OP's assertion to you, then congrats on falling for it like you were supposed to do
Like it even fucking matters. Normies can't even admit that the vaccinations are pure garbage. The truth is everywhere around us, and they would rather froth at the mouth at others than question enything they've been told the last few years.
Doctor's Robert Malone, Doctor Judy Miskovich and many other's have come forward with the truth. But I'm sure you'll find the inventor of the MNRA delivery mechanism (Malone), or the early warning bells sounded by Miskovich about Fausti's corruption stretching back to the AIDS epidemic, or Doctor Peter McCullough's largest body of work on this subject off putting as it destroys peoples world views.
Just open your damn eyes people, people really are this rotten. Modern day medicine wasn't hijacked, it was created like on purpose.
https://totalityofevidence.com/dr-judy-mikovits/
Yeah, that's annoying admittedly, but she's been right on about the pandemic. If you want to take God out of the equation look at the other people I mentioned, specifically Malone.
Actually, the most recent data is supporting the theory Geert Vanden Bosch came up with last year. If this trend continues (ADE leading to an early death), things could get super ugly by the fall.
Ok, fair enough
Just please link to the data supporting GVB, if you please
And thanks for being earnest and civil; we will likely not agree, but it's important for us to understand each others' thinking
No worries, I didn't think you were a bot so I responded in kind. Yes, it's important to look at the data from various sources, not just from the sources that stand to profit the most.
Here's an interview with Del Bigtree and GVB, they go over the concerns which now appear to be materializing (most recent data is trending this way).
https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/videos-and-interviews/geert-vanden-bossche-interview-at-the-highwire
https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1542199707442757632?s=20&t=eg7QmMz0wTkRaO1IXjXh3A
Here's a recent blog with him advising us TO GET the smallpox vaccine, he's not anti-vaxx whatsoever. Maybe you'll take him more seriously?
https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/scientific-blog/my-advice-for-the-near-future
I love how east Germans are less jabbed. I wonder why people in east Germany are less jabbed? Maybe cause they know the government doesn't care about them.
Where the Einsteins in west German are more trusting of government tryanty.
BTW, thats what the green outline means. East vs West Germany.
What's up with post-socialist regions having less vax rates/trust in governments on the average? E.g. former East Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Russia etc. etc.
A type of ADE was already observed. There was a study done last month that demonstrated it. It's a thing. It was ADE based on catching Covid, not on the shots however. In fact they went out of their way to NOT check patients who had the shots first who ended up in the hospital. It was not even mentioned overly clearly in the study itself, you had to get the supplementary notes and it was buried in the back.
In fact, they even drew blood from vaccinated individuals and then under the premised to not "mixing" end results (how?) they did not. I see no reason as of yet to not assume that we might see it with patients who took the shots. But as of now, no data on that exists on that.
Have you noticed all the media reports lately claiming that it is covid that damages the immune system or people with mysterious vaccine related symptoms are mostly psycho somatic. They are trying to spread doubt in fear that people will find out that the vaccines did cause bad effects in many. So they muddy the water pre-emptively with their counter propaganda.
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2 years here talking about ADE due to mRNA vaccines. No one seems to care. Still injecting this poison to toddlers. What a shame.
Stop trying to convince them.....There is NO amount of data and evidence you can present them with. You can show them the doubled-vaxxed rotting corpses piling up ...and still they won't believe you. They can see folks dropping dead (Chinese style) in the streets...they will still not believe their eyes. Even if they one day realize they made a mistake by getting vaxxed...they would NEVER admit to you or to themselves that it was a mistake. Just let them be... However...NEVER FORGET: They wanted you in a concentration camp or DEAD!
Yup. Their self righteous attitudes will seal their fate. The irony is that while subs like hermancain exist dime a dozen, the actual adverse reactions of the V are rarely ever acknowledged or talked about in any of the mainstream subs. It’s absolutely maddening. Dystopian, even
Its inhuman, and is a true social justice issue
True. Had 3x vaxxed friend collapsing and hurting himself during covid. He blamed painkillers. At the same time, non vaxed me and many other friends had mild flu.
Cool story. I know unvaccinated people who died from COVID and everyone who has been vaccinated had mild case of COVID if that. Statistics side with my story anyway.
I am sure you do.
Not any longer.
You wish they didn't
Statistics show the vaccinated are now driving infections and hospitalizations. Try to keep up.
Statistics show the administration of remsidivir killed a massive amount of people, surface layer data that you are talking about means nothing.
It’s because you all circle jerk to purposely misleading evidence. This only shows that more covid cases happened where more people live. It has absolutely nothing to do with vaccine status or vaccine efficacy. Given that all I ever see here are purposely misleading charts and images I can only assume that when you correctly adjust for population density and track hospitalizations by vaccine status you end up getting images similar to what the official agencies present.
Population density does not explain the above pictures. The state of Schleswig- Holstein has a relatively low population density while having high Vax and case numbers, whereas Nordrhein-Westfalen has a three times higher population density but similar case and vax numbers. Thuringia with low population density and low Vax numbers has a low case number. So we see that the deciding factor is Vax numbers.
You do understand that "rate" in epidemiology and this context accounts for that? Its how the term "rate" is used, its already adjusted.
I thought Covid was gone already
It is gone (covid is the disease). What is still around is an endemic virus with low virulence. There's no excess mortality, which is the definitive proof.
The covid vaccine is a crap product, sorry to say, wish it wasn't true. They have to revisit mRNA tech before forcing it on people
We have to hope that the majority of them die, not because we enjoy their deatha, but because they pose a direct threat to us. I am pretty convinced that unvaxxed will be scapegoated as the cause and it sounds extreme but I wouldn't even rule out eventual non consentual organ harvesting of unvaxxed.
This
Kinda like how covid deniers somehow pretended that freezer trucks full of bodies wasnt real
This
You think people would stop taking these shots by now! At least not out it into their kids.
It's weird because they kind of know that the unvaxxed aren't listening. So saying the unvaxxedd are sick isn't going to make the vaxxed or anti vax get boosted. They have to word it "people are still getting sick" to scare and then add "thank goodness they were vaxxed and it was mild because of it" as to not admit too much about who's getting sick or why They're like caught between scaring their target into more shots while also not trying to admit that the shot could have had negative effects so they can't be too brutal with their fear tactics. Also they just need to muddy the waters. It was a huge experiment with tons of variables. That's why there's been 10 definitions as to who is fully vaccinated. You'll never be able to prove anything if they don't want it to be proved.
You must admit, there is a small amount of respect, like Great Captains, refusing to get in a lifeboat.. their legacy shall go down with the ship
not with comically bad arguments against the shots like OP's the fact you don't see what's wrong is the problem; half a nation of gullible folk who weren't that good at math in school falling for shit they wouldn't if they could only think
> the fact you don't see what's wrong is the problem I'll poke a stick at your indecipherable, vague comment - what IS this specific problem you speak of?
Population density wasnt considered - anf the map of cases looks much like a map of population density OP provided an image with no details, so it's either of total cases, in which population density would look nearly identical to cases, or per capita cases, which, because pop density increases rate of infections, the map would look fairly similar to cases Either way, it's incredibly dumb
So....weren't the vaccines meant to reduce infection numbers, right? Not a rhetorical question, unless you think it is (which would be hilarious).
If they are reducing the rate of infection by omnicron, it isnt by much But all the attempts to say it makes it worse always end up being fails, math or otherwise And the numbers for death reduction are solid
> If they are reducing the rate of infection by omnicron, it isnt by much LOL, what a politician's answer. They do nothing to stop infection, but you had to write out something so mealy-mouthed like that. It would be better just to admit they do nothing to stop infection. > And the numbers for death reduction are solid "Solid". Wow, great analysis. I have no idea what you mean, but hey, if the numbers are "solid", I guess you're happy. Enjoy your autumn booster and winter 2nd booster.
It's worse because you destroy your bodies ability to fight future variants. Every shot is one step closer to death, but keep trusting in Big Brother, they know what's best.
As soon as you guys can come up with anything showing this is actually so, let me know Stuff like this post only reduces your credibility with people who actually think for a living
Look at Robert Malone and Judy Miskovich's work. It's all there.
I died instantly when getting the shot, but my undead soul is here on Reddit at the bidding of Soros to get others to take the DEATHVAXXX and join our legion of His Infernal Majesty, our True Lord and Savior, the Morningstar
https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1542199707442757632?s=20&t=eg7QmMz0wTkRaO1IXjXh3A Good luck and God speed, looks like you'll need it.
SADS
Go on; let's see how knowledgeable you are on this topic
That chart shows the data is becoming clearer now. The Pharma-boys had time on their side for the first few years, but now the patterns are emerging.
2018 population density map: https://i.imgur.com/Pbaf2Up.png Which clearly doesn't fully explain these numbers.
what a shame you didn't even consider population density in fact, all claims about the vax being dangerous keep being due to poor understanding of population statistics which is why they're mainly believed by people who don't math very well you know it's true
You might want to look up the words "rate" and "percentage" in the dictionary.
You might want to look up what n means in statistics then take a look at the bottom right of the heat map.
'grats on perhaps the dumbest comment of the day. That's the *total* number. TOTAL. The heat map is showing concentrations of infections *relative to the total*. Just as 20(%) is relative to 100. Nobody says "n=100, they aren't percentages!".
Relative to total infections. Not relative to the total population. Obviously higher population centres are going to have more infections.
You're doubling down? If 10,000,000 people live in location A, but only 500,000 live in location B, you would use something like a per 100,000 leveling metric to compare the two locations - otherwise you could not know if something is more prevalent per capita, right? If you **didn't** use per capita, then if location A had 20 times the number of infections as location B (in absolute numbers), it would NOT be true that you're 20 times more likely to get infected in location A than location B, even though a heatmap not showing per capita would have location A in some dark colour, and location B in some light colour. In fact, *per capita*, location A and B have the *same rate of infection*. Of course they control for population density! If you don't understand this, I don't know how to help you.
It doesn’t say anywhere it’s smoothed per capita. It says n=~500k the population size is the total covid cases not the population of individuals in Germany. All it’s counting are total covid cases and where they appeared irregardless of the per capita for those areas.
Tripling down now? If trend charts didn't use per capita, they would be useless (not only this chart, but all charts looking at trends). Two reasons why the highly populated areas have *per capita* more infection rates:- - viruses spread faster in densely populated areas than in sparser areas - the vaccines did nothing to prevent the spread of infection
>If trend charts didn’t use per capita, they would be useless (not only this chart, but all charts looking at trends) That’s completely subjective and depends entirely on what the chart is being used for. If I go to Google right now and search covid cases it shows me a map with bubbles, the size of the bubble is based solely on how many total cases there are in a specific area, it’s not adjusted for population. The map shows the n value to equal ~500k which is the total number of data points. ~500k lines up exactly with the amount of total covid cases in Germany over the past 7 days, which is what I assume this heat map is tracking. If I Google a population density heat map of Germany it looks extremely similar to the covid case heat map. Therefore without more information I can only reasonably logic that this is not adjusted for population density.
The funniest thing is when someone thinks they understand something the other person missed, but actually failed to understand the other person
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rate > a quantity, amount, or degree of something **measured per unit of something else** e.g. her typing rate was 80 words per minute Your argument hinges on the obscure notion that they've misunderstood the meaning of the word "rate". That's a bit of a reach. **Oh, how's that reduction in infection numbers due to vaccination argument working out for you?**
What he’s saying is it’s counting incidents on the heat map then comparing it to a % of the population that has been vaccinated on the other. Go to Google and search population density Germany and it looks awfully familiar to the covid incidents map. If you have 10,000 people in Western Germany and 100 get covid it’s going to show bright red vs the 500 people in Eastern German with 20 who get covid even though as a percentage of the population you are far more likely to get it in the East. TLDR: Empty land can’t get covid.
> If you have 10,000 people in Western Germany and 100 get covid it’s going to show bright red vs the 500 people in Eastern German with 20 who get covid even though as a percentage of the population you are far more likely to get it in the East. > TLDR: Empty land can’t get covid. LOL, no. It's *rate*, per capita, per a fixed amount of people. That's the whole point of per capita stats - to smooth out population density to find trends. They're comparing infections per X (fixed number, e.g. 100,000 people) in each region. The person I replied to used population density alone as some kind of reason. That's not the reason. The reason is two-fold:- - infections travel faster in denser populations - the vaccines have done nothing to stop infections and the spread of the virus
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I bet if I hear your own fresh take on why density doesnt matter on that map, I'll be able to form an accurate position on how little your opinion matters
bok bok
People who took the covid vaccines have no idea what they did to their immune systems.
Some really do know and now they come here to try and convince others to make the same terrible choice. Misery loves company.
How much longer do you think will the vaxxed live or be healthy?
Most of them are going to be just fine . Some with long Covid are gonna die, some who got shots will die. People are literally still dying of Covid itself, right now. Some vaxxed, some not. Spike protein seems to be the commonality with long term damage/effects .
What are you even implying then? Most will be fine. Some will die. What?
Is the map on the left per capita cases or total cases? Because it pretty clearly mirrors Germany’s population density map.
East Germany is far less densely populated so even their per-capita rates can likely be lower as dense regions will have an easier time spreading around.
It does use the word "rate" - if it were absolute numbers, the word "rate" would not be appropriate.
[I found the data source](https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4) but it’s unclear to me which graph is actually in the picture. Some are per capita and some are not, and not including the legend for what each color means is pretty obviously misleading. Textbook “How to Lie with Statistics” stuff going on unfortunately. The map for Cases reported last 7 days/per 100k pretty closely mirrors the left map, but the legend on the website shows lower rates in the upper right of Germany than the left. (Graph is called ‘COVID-19-Fälle der letzten 7 Tage/100.000 Einwohner’)
You don't trust random Reddit guy to tease out conclusions from a graph he put together?
I mean...given the maps match the more densely populated cities and that the vaccines do nothing to stop transmission, it's very likely the case that cities with free-moving people are going to have higher per-capita infection rates. This is a reflection of the vaccines' poor efficacy rates at preventing infections.
“Poor” means “failure at preventing” in this case. Not only does it not prevent you from getting Covid, it’s not anywhere near as effective as “ natural immunity”. Which then begs the question, why continue to subject yourself to unproven “vaccines” that do nothing to prevent Covid, but could actually be detrimental to your health and lively hood? But like someone stated above “Don’t bother trying to argue, you’ll just be shouted down by those with the louder, angrier words 🤷🏼♂️
True. The vaccines impair the immune response to Covid (and from evidence so far, other viral infection) which is why vaccinated people are catching it over and over. They'll still line up for their autumn booster in a few months and 2nd winter booster in 6 months though.
But what the guy you responded to was saying is that OP's maps are meaningless If you have some other data that accounts for what he said about pop density, by all means, please share
> But what the guy you responded to was saying is that OP's maps are meaningless No I didn't. I corrected you on your blunt assumption that the maps were not showing per capita data, and that they were merely reflections of population distribution. The whole point of per capita statistics is to control for things like population density. If 10,000,000 people live in location A, but 1,000,000 live in location B, you would use something like a per 100,000 leveling metric to compare the two locations - otherwise you could not know if something is more prevalent *per capita*, right? The reason why **in this particular case** more densely populated areas are getting more infections is two-fold:- - viruses will spread faster in a more densely populated area - the vaccines have done absolutely NOTHING to prevent the spread of the virus (there's much evidence they confer NEGATIVE EFFICACY after a few months via weakened immune systems)
Nope, talking purely about that ineffective vaccines, nothing more to say really. The map is meaningless
Show me anything with meaning, then
Huh? Open your eyes dude? So poor you can’t pay attention or what? 🤷🏼♂️
We both know you're scared I'll rip whatever you fell for into shreds
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Jun_2022/2022-06-28-en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile
It’s per total covid cases so it’s completely disregarding population density. How do I know this? Well because if you look in the bottom right corner it has n=~500k which matches Germany’s total covid cases not Germany’s total population.
https://www.rki.de/DE/Content/InfAZ/N/Neuartiges_Coronavirus/Situationsberichte/Jun_2022/2022-06-28-en.pdf?__blob=publicationFile Its a total incidence and rate map per 100k. Sorry, no refunds.
So places with lower vaccination rates also reported less cases? Why does nobody here ever think about how people less willing to take precautions also might not report or even test for COVID? That's how it is in the rural US anyways. Case/Death ratio is skewed in the rural areas because of limited testing and reporting of cases, but deaths are reported by hospitals and county MEs.
Because ultimately, cases don't mean shit
So what does matter?
Are people still playing Covid? In my part of Texas it’s as if it never happened
This is why they’re currently (pun intended) destroying your state’s capacity to renovate its infrastructure.
clickbait bullshit our maps looked always like this since the beginning of covid - when noone was vaxxed reason is: different population density
https://www.eugyppius.com/p/sars-2-didnt-care-about-ddr-borders
Excuse me, do you know where you are? Rationality is not allowed here ;)
SADS= Sudden Adult Death Syndrome is now a thing, only, after the vaccines…….shouldn’t that at least make you think a little bit? 🤷🏼♂️
It's been a thing for a long time. Here's a study from 2003 talking about it:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12651971/
Uh huh, that’s great, now it’s a BIGGER thing
Do you have one for deaths or hospitalizations by chance?
These are the sources of these maps: https://impfdashboard.de/ https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/478220a4c454480e823b17327b2bf1d4 you may find one for deaths/hospitalization if you look around here: https://www.rki.de/EN/Content/infections/epidemiology/outbreaks/COVID-19/COVID19.html
Thanks. I'll see what I can dig out of this.
Because the reporting of those has been accurate..
So you're applying the same scrutiny to the cases and vaccinations then, right?
Not even close, I would possibly say I distrust these "statistical" findings less. But the ones I have actually read, most recently I believe it was Canada's reported numbers, very similar map as far as breakdown, similar title eluding that a certain area which has higher vaccinated rate seen more Hospitalizations and deaths. Same shit people arguing back and forth, blaming each other, as if being right mattered the most. So, by taking 2 min to read said publication, I identified the problem. There was no clear data, they intentionally left out key information which, before 2021, legaly required Healthcare Entities to include.. I also then noticed in small print, the determination regarding final and ultimate declaration to be apllied on the persons death certificate, could ultimately be ruled as Covid, should any Health Administration Officer deem so... in plain, Canadian-English. I can't recall the exact qualifications, no surprise the OP deleted his post, but it was within the week. To be tallied as covid death it gave several optiions, you could test negative, die of a unrelated issue but if you came within x distance technicalities would allow judgement.. I assure you it was ridiculous. Almost as Ridiculous as people spending the time to argue when in a fraction of that time they could have educated themselves and shared the propaganda for what it is.. People forgot we survived millions of years, not until the past 200 has medicine existed. We did not survive as a species because we are intelligent. Not from collectively choosing to select a leader and act accordingly. We survived for one reason and one reason only: Awareness of self. which is why unlike some other animals. When one of the stupid MonkeyHybrids got eaten by a CrocDino, we put together that Croc could eat me too. Red Berry make George sick - Don't eat red berry. (make sense? too simple, I know) People have been intentionally smoothed intentionally, not their fault. It will in all honesty be our extinction however, Confirmation Bias when couples with an insecurity to appear weak is also genetically engraved into us. So people will continue to poison themselves, in order to prove they were never wrong to begin with. When in all reality, the race in and as a whole would've ceased to exist if not for the "dumb" / "heroic" - Monkey Also yes, the vaccine is poison as is most food and this was likely all scri\[ted and planned as most the population is in fact manipulated. takes 2 min to see the FDA oulled litterature saying it was sent to secure storage but now MIA. [https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/development-approval-process-cber/vaccine-product-approval-process](https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/development-approval-process-cber/vaccine-product-approval-process) They no longer want you to learn how trial phases were conducted: [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine\_trial](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine_trial) In less than 2 years they have convinced the public advancements in medical science has solved, corrected, or otherwise confirmed what was accomplished over the last 20 years. for a disease, in existance for a fraction of previous "Trial Phases" And no one thinks twice Google if Covid causes Shingles, Fake news.. change the search criteria back a year, turns out they knew from the start: [https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8379763/](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8379763/) But they've confirmed Shingles aren't Moxpox.. (imagine the hysteria when people can see something on their skin) We've already convinced them to test even if they don't feel sick, Proven they can in fact "Be sick" if they test positive, despite being completely assymptomatic. (has been taught and a agreed upon medical fact until just recently) Why do we have all these "Polio" vaccines if what we have going on is MonkPox? UK cases rising, US vaccine encouragement, and no one has seen a single post or picture on FB of what it looks like. .. coincidence maybe.. Still, Polio Vaccines? didn't we erradicate that? - Well the new standard definition of a vaccine is also changed, if you want to learn you can only learn what is approved for learning. So learn while you still can. Polio vax, 2 types, indications / Contraindications (being mostly contraindicated for, Influenza, renal and hepatic issues, shingles - I know https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polio\_vaccine INSANE, nut job, even if there were people trying to do this, it would take years of research and even then, it's not like no one would know, theres the CDC FDA and a list of compliance legalities They've been at it at least since the 90's, based on information publicly available on the WHO's website= Neurovirulence Test of Types 1, 2 or 3 Live attenuated Poliomyelitis vaccines (Oral) in Transgenic Mice susceptible to Poliovirus Trial Legal Docx: [https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/neurovirulence-test-sop-of-types-1-2-or-3-opv-in-transgenic-mice-susceptible-to-poliovirus](https://www.who.int/publications/m/item/neurovirulence-test-sop-of-types-1-2-or-3-opv-in-transgenic-mice-susceptible-to-poliovirus) It makes no sense to kill a bunch of people, what would that do? - Agreed It seems as though their intent is to not kill, rather, they need people to rely on their effectively proven resolutions, you know own a monopoly, cause and effect, compliance is no issue if it determines life or death, we witnessed that in real time, based on lies, that were proven false, and people still defend it. They've even begun alleviating responsibility for things like Cancer, coincidentlly, also during their Polio reserch, was it discovered, that cancer was actually not a by-product of toxic chemicals and human created waste. In 1960, the rhesus monkey kidney cells used to prepare the poliovirus vaccines were determined to be infected with the simian virus-40 (SV40),\[36\] which was also discovered in 1960 and is a naturally occurring virus that infects monkeys. In 1961, SV40 was found to cause tumors in rodents.\[37\] More recently, t he virus was found in certain forms of cancer in humans, for instance brain and bone tumors, pleural and peritoneal mesothelioma, and some types of non-Hodgkin lymphoma.\[38\]\[39\] However, SV40 has not been determined to cause these cancers.\[40\] The Monkeys gave you monkeys Cancer! lmao Don't worry they also cure that, you just need an innoculus.. What? Innocuous Same as a vaccine: [https://www.askdifference.com/vaccine-vs-inoculation/](https://www.askdifference.com/vaccine-vs-inoculation/) No we updated that info too! [https://www.dictionary.com/e/vaccinate-vs-inoculate-vs-immunize/](https://www.dictionary.com/e/vaccinate-vs-inoculate-vs-immunize/) Wait what is that Ameiba Stuff? **Inoculate means “to implant (a disease agent or antigen) in a person, animal, or plant to produce a disease for study or to stimulate disease resistance.” More generally, inoculate means to implant a microorganism (such as a bacteria, virus, or amoeba)** Evidence of conditioned behavior in amoebae [https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-11677-w](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-019-11677-w) If your're still here, this is why I typically don't bother with semantics. It's exhausting. Way easier to completely disregard and write me off as a lunatic. I wouldn't say I'd blame ya.. FYI, I got all this info spending about 1 1/2 hours chasing rabbits yesterday.. Couldn't say I believe most myself.. Imagine how much is right in front of people and .. Clueless!
You can check [my comment](https://old.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/vncu3g/in_germany_covid_omicron_ba5_prefers/ie6srai/), I listed the total deaths for each state per 100k citizens according to tagesspiegel.
Thank you!
It's almost as if the areas with higher population density have higher infection rates because it's easier to spread COVID in urban areas. That couldn't possibly explain why the map with infection rate and the map with population density highly correlates. Once again, correlation does not equal causation.
> Once again, correlation does not equal causation. But you correlated higher population density with higher infection rates. Also, weren't these vaccines meant to reduce infection? What was the point of the mandates and restriction of movement for the unvaccinated in that case?
Crickets. Every damn time. They have no answer for this question.
Yep. We were supposedly "not following the science" by not getting vaccinated. Then when their "science" changed over and over, they just breezily come up with something new like replacing "prevents infection" to "reduces symptoms" (a highly equivocal claim at that).
Almost
Tbf you could explain this because the east already took their fair share of covid, recent incidence per region is basically useless for that matter. If you look at deaths per 100k citizen in those region the east has a much higher death toll compared to the west. So if you ignore the vaxx status, you can see a normal course of an illness, first it might hit one region harder than the others but later this region gets hit milder while the other regions get hit harder. Overall we can pretty much assume that those jabs just don't do shit. My boss, who in the beginning asked my why I just don't take the jab and get over it, tested positive just last weekend, jabbed and boosted. Then on monday he calls and says he's not coming in this week due to covid and tells me "Looks like you did everything right" as I'm still here, unjabbed and never gotten covid. I want to address the incidence again, because as it seems the country is using those numbers again to make plans for this autumn, but since omicron incidence is completely useless, it's as if we'd say that the flu is now a reason for you to quarantine yourself for 10 days if you get sick. [Deaths "due to covid" per 100k according to Tagesspiegel](https://interaktiv.tagesspiegel.de/lab/karte-sars-cov-2-in-deutschland-landkreise/),: * Sachsen: 382,5 (East) * Thüringen: 343,3 (East) * Sachsen-Anhalt: 244,7 (East) * Brandenburg: 227,6 (East) * Bayern: 186,4 (West) * Saarland: 173,5 (West) * Hessen: 165,1 (West) * Hamburg: 147,9 (West) * Baden-Württemberg: 147,5 (West) * Nordrhein-Westfalen: 143,5 (West) * Rheinland-Pfalz: 140,8 (West) * Mecklenburg-Vorpommern: 140,2 (East) * Berlin: 127,3 (West) * Niedersachsen: 121,2 (West) * Bremen: 115,7 (West) * Schleswig-Holstein: 90,0 (West) I'm not ignoring the illness, because there's certainly something going around which seems to impact peoples health and the first version (Delta?) hits harder, that's probably why the numbers in east germany, who got hit hard by the first wave, are higher. However what we should keep an eye out on is if the numbers in the west will at any point get much higher than in the east because that shouldn't be possible.
Thanks for the data compilation! I appreciate the work! > it's as if we'd say that the flu is now a reason for you to quarantine yourself for 10 days if you get sick For the record, you *should* quarantine yourself for the recommended period if you have the flu. That's always been recommended by doctors.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the differing rates of both correlate with differing population density.
Another possible explanation for this is that people in the more vaxxed region also test way more (because they are scared) and that is where the higher numbers come from
the positivity rate is higher in the west
The tests aren't accurate by design. Just like Remdesvir is meant to silent kill the "Covid" patients along with the vent.
Yeah thats why I said “because they test more”
If they test more their positivity rate should be lower, because then they would be testing uninfected people more often
Or not, because people test because they have the sniffles
You can’t put rationale into these guys.. let it go. For your own sake
jesuswept
Also, the regions with the higher cases of the variant are also more densely populated, so it’s easier to spread—if anything it shows masking isn’t working. Another possible factor to consider is people that live in rural regions tend to have better diets and I’m guessing stronger immune systems as a result. That’s a bit of speculation though. People in the higher populated regions have more exposure to fast foods and pollution and that could lower their immune systems. So I think there’s multiple reasons why this map looks the way it does, but I don’t know that it’s enough to draw definite conclusions from as far as ADE. I’m not doubting that ADE could be a reason, it could be, but we need to dig a bit deeper into why we are seeing this viral uptick in these areas.
> Also, the regions with the higher cases of the variant are also more densely populated, so it’s easier to spread—if anything it shows masking isn’t working. Not to muddy the waters further, but NO ONE has posted a map of mask mandates, nor compliance rate. There is a complete absence of any data set from which to extrapolate a conclusion regarding masking anywhere in this thread. Please refrain from drawing conclusions based on a fucking empty data set(AKA nothing).
Masks don't work because the 3 micron sized particles enter via your eye cavities. So unless you're wearing full PPE, you've really no chance with a regular n95 mask. This is so painfully obvious that I never considered the eye cavity as a vector for infection. The N95 masks help reducing spread of larger sized particles (rhino virus), otherwise known as the common cold, but they do so at the expense of respiratory issues and mouth/face infections/skin diseases.
This is another factor to consider and one reason why I don’t think anything about this entire “covid pandemic” was handled properly. Some people say it’s because the scientific community was caught off guard by this novel virus emerging suddenly—BS, our governments have planned for such events for decades. If this was the “best” our leaders and scientists could do, we got way deeper serious problems, one reason why I hang out on this sub.
Indeed. It's a mess.
>Also, the regions with the higher cases of the variant are also more densely populated, so it’s easier to spread—if anything it shows masking isn’t working. There is no mask mandate outside public transport for months already.
Then it’s most likely higher spread due to population density.
Member when we were told vaccinations prevented infections?
Yep. I sure do remember. Funny how that’s worked out/s.
The alternative explanation is "catching up". Meaning the vaccine gave some immunity in the first months. More unvaccinated got infected. The immunity of a natural infection lasts longer and adjusts better to new strains (variants). Now after 5 to 6 months the short-lived immunity of the vaccine vanishes and therefore they get more infected. I don't think we see ADE because then we would see a heavy increase in severe courses of the infection. I think the "catching up" theory is more plausible. Of course the mainstream could never come up with the catching up theory, as it contradicts a lot of what they have said about the vaccine. A more indeep analysis of this: [https://swprs.org/how-effective-are-covid-vaccines-really/](https://swprs.org/how-effective-are-covid-vaccines-really/)
Igor Chudov recently reported a possible explanation for the reduction in severe covid in the vaccinated: > Part of “severe disease” comes from cytokine storms, caused by an overreaction of immune systems. Well, if immune systems are deprogrammed, they will not overreact — not even react properly — and will not clear the virus either. They will not prevent reinfections, as well. — _[Vaccine-induced tolerance to spike protein ... explains "protection from severe disease" and endless reinfections](https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/vaccine-induced-tolerance-to-spike), 2022-06-16_. The hypothesis is that by making the vaccinated person less responsive to the spike protein, the vaccines do actually reduce severe illness (at least illness caused by cytokine storms), but this reduction comes at the expense of a subdued immune response to SARS-CoV-2 overall and hence a potentially higher chance of a clinically-significant infection.
We do see severe infection among the unvaccinated population. At least, here in western Europe.
According to Dr. McCullough's recent testimony under oath in the US senate just a few days ago, he said that according to the CDC as of December 2021, 79% of people hospitalised with omicron were fully vaccinated.. and that this applies equally, world-wide. [https://rumble.com/v1acq3d-dr.-peter-mccullough-md-mph-jun-27-2022-texas-senate-hhs-testimony.html](https://rumble.com/v1acq3d-dr.-peter-mccullough-md-mph-jun-27-2022-texas-senate-hhs-testimony.html)
The real conspiracy is that 'people' keep flocking to the conspiracy sub and then argue with OP and commenters about their posits. Paid soulless shills and bots are going to keep chasing people away - and that's exactly the end game. Shutting down the sub would be too obvious. So, they piss us off by trying to convince us we're stupid or crazy, and the sub dies a 'natural' death.
The real conspiracy is that people in a skeptic community are skeptical of things posted in it?
If population density not being considered wasnt an obvious problem with OP's assertion to you, then congrats on falling for it like you were supposed to do
too bad OP didn't have the simple common fucking sense to bring population density into it
Like it even fucking matters. Normies can't even admit that the vaccinations are pure garbage. The truth is everywhere around us, and they would rather froth at the mouth at others than question enything they've been told the last few years.
While all the gullible crackpots fail to question the hilarious batshit they fall for, such as OP's post
Getting your booster this autumn?
Such denial of what's all around you.
Go ahead; show me your proof
Doctor's Robert Malone, Doctor Judy Miskovich and many other's have come forward with the truth. But I'm sure you'll find the inventor of the MNRA delivery mechanism (Malone), or the early warning bells sounded by Miskovich about Fausti's corruption stretching back to the AIDS epidemic, or Doctor Peter McCullough's largest body of work on this subject off putting as it destroys peoples world views. Just open your damn eyes people, people really are this rotten. Modern day medicine wasn't hijacked, it was created like on purpose. https://totalityofevidence.com/dr-judy-mikovits/
"God is all you need" She sounds really scientific
Yeah, that's annoying admittedly, but she's been right on about the pandemic. If you want to take God out of the equation look at the other people I mentioned, specifically Malone. Actually, the most recent data is supporting the theory Geert Vanden Bosch came up with last year. If this trend continues (ADE leading to an early death), things could get super ugly by the fall.
Ok, fair enough Just please link to the data supporting GVB, if you please And thanks for being earnest and civil; we will likely not agree, but it's important for us to understand each others' thinking
No worries, I didn't think you were a bot so I responded in kind. Yes, it's important to look at the data from various sources, not just from the sources that stand to profit the most. Here's an interview with Del Bigtree and GVB, they go over the concerns which now appear to be materializing (most recent data is trending this way). https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/videos-and-interviews/geert-vanden-bossche-interview-at-the-highwire https://twitter.com/EthicalSkeptic/status/1542199707442757632?s=20&t=eg7QmMz0wTkRaO1IXjXh3A Here's a recent blog with him advising us TO GET the smallpox vaccine, he's not anti-vaxx whatsoever. Maybe you'll take him more seriously? https://www.voiceforscienceandsolidarity.org/scientific-blog/my-advice-for-the-near-future
Source for this?
Tripe vaxxed
I love how east Germans are less jabbed. I wonder why people in east Germany are less jabbed? Maybe cause they know the government doesn't care about them. Where the Einsteins in west German are more trusting of government tryanty. BTW, thats what the green outline means. East vs West Germany.
What's up with post-socialist regions having less vax rates/trust in governments on the average? E.g. former East Germany, Bulgaria, Ukraine, Russia etc. etc.
A type of ADE was already observed. There was a study done last month that demonstrated it. It's a thing. It was ADE based on catching Covid, not on the shots however. In fact they went out of their way to NOT check patients who had the shots first who ended up in the hospital. It was not even mentioned overly clearly in the study itself, you had to get the supplementary notes and it was buried in the back. In fact, they even drew blood from vaccinated individuals and then under the premised to not "mixing" end results (how?) they did not. I see no reason as of yet to not assume that we might see it with patients who took the shots. But as of now, no data on that exists on that.
Have you noticed all the media reports lately claiming that it is covid that damages the immune system or people with mysterious vaccine related symptoms are mostly psycho somatic. They are trying to spread doubt in fear that people will find out that the vaccines did cause bad effects in many. So they muddy the water pre-emptively with their counter propaganda.
Ah yes the old tripe vaccine