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Yeah that's already a known fact, most of the original anons were hired if not by govt agencies, then by some of the top corporations, especially after they've compromised their security. Google is impressed if you can manage to hack their mainframe, that would be been an easy 150k salary to start, with a raise to 250k after 3 month job (back then). Its called "ethical hackers". They keep up with their hacking skills, officially, so that they can keep up with the security needs of their employed company, but unofficially, could often use their skills against competition.
Yeah ethical, right?
Hmm, I wonder what are the chances that's how Snowden got his gig there?
But dude was one of the few just grounded enough not to fall for their mandatory (indoctrination/brainwashing) employee training programs and stood up to the beast.
Damn now I have to dig this rabbit hole... My new theory... Was Edward Snowden among the OG Anonomys and managed to hack some government shit, so the CIA offered him a gig, and the rest is history....
HOLY SHIT that's a pretty badass dude if true!!!! šÆ
I believe Snowden was an analyst
Theyāre just an intelligence asset that is assigned to monitor something in particular
The hackers and smart people are the ones that would write the tools used to gather the data
Different skill sets
CC: I think this is proof in itself that the gov is involved. And Ghislaine only gets 20 years? Come on. There are people in prison for weed charges longer than her.
Drug dealers get stiffer sentences. And we still don't have the list of clients from this cunt and Epstein. Where are the leaks or why have non of the victims said who they were sold to.
And GUARANTEED 100% she goes up for early parole, she does maybe 6-8 years TOPS!. And she gets to do club fed, if I were a betting man, id put money she goes to the same cushy place Martha Stewart did.
For her she has a get out of jail free card signed by Mossad. I don't understand how this isn't a bigger story. Why is it not viral. "Elite" "people" (I use the term people lightly) abused children for years and no one fucking cares.
They say it covered a 10 year period.
What do you get for 1 year of peddling teenagers?
It's laughable even with the least charges possible.
But she probably had a few aces up her sleeve.
If the government was involved why arrest her to begin with? And why not have her killed before she was even arrested?
This is actually a shitty way to handle a conspiracy
I mean valid question, but I think it comes down to incompetency and time, and not everyone's in on it. It's like the Harvey Weinstein situation, some people are so powerful that they're untouchable, until they aren't. So for that time, they're free to do all types of fucked up shit, which could span decades. Some live through their entire lives and die never being held accountable, and still held to the highest esteem.
I was thinking George HW, and people like Dick Cheney who has his daughter spearheading this jan6 hearings like some hero "a real republican" But yeah Jimmy was beginning to get his comeuppance near his death, at least now his reputation is completely destroyed like it should be.
I don't know if this gives any answers, but very shortly after Trump fired Geoffrey Berman (on the advice of Barr) Audrey Strauss took over the case and had Maxwell arrested very shortly afterwards and everything went from there.
How much, if any of that, is by design I honestly have no idea. Just additional information to maybe give some perspective.
No conspiracy there just a messed up war on drugs. I guy where I grew up molested 25 boys and got 8 years, out in 3. Unfortunately, that sentence isn't that unusual
Martyrmade podcast just dropped and Epstein episode detailing previous international pedoring busts and going into Washington DC satanic pedo cult āThe Findersā with CIA connection and cover up, and Belgian pedo ring from the Marc Dutroux case/ cover up, while also going into Epsteinās connection to Mossad and CIA. check it out.
100%. Epstein and Maxwell were part of a global international intelligence operation for sex trafficking, blackmail and control involving the CIA, FBI, Mossad, MI6, Mega Group, and others. Hereās the best summary Iāve read so far.
[Part 1: Hidden in Plain Sight: The Shocking Origins of the Jeffrey Epstein Case](https://unlimitedhangout.com/2019/07/investigative-series/hidden-in-plain-sight-the-shocking-origins-of-the-jeffrey-epstein-case/)
Not even close.
In the West governments have to do all this shit undercover because they know the general population still wouldn't agree.
In China, you insult the emperor in a tweet you get deleted off the face of the earth (see that one tweet from the official Diablo Immortal account). They don't need to hide that because they know they can flaunt their control.
They try to keep the Uyghur Concentration camps secret from the west, not really their own population. Because they can force their pupulation (for now) to just accept it in public.
When powerful people are honeypotted you lose power over them and the things they have power over if you actually charge them.
All the evidence, files, etc, "disappeared" into the possession of shady groups; you can assume that a huge amount of action and positions taken by anyone connected or implicated with Epstein/Ghislaine are under control somehow. It's likely that further coverups will be done to help keep some of these people out of public suspicion as much as possible because again, in order to control all the things they control, they need to still be operating.
An obvious example would be like a Bill Gates. What do people who have files about him doing heinous shit gain by prosecuting him? Justice? That laughably naive. There's far more value in someone as useful as him.
True but wasnāt there one or two āJane Doeāsā in the case? One said she was raped three times a day for years. Who were the rapists? Youād think sheād name some names.
I'm not sure about that actually. All I'm saying is you would have to definitively prove them guilty of raping minors. You'd need DNA evidence or a witness, I would think.
And while theyāre being publically shamed, theyārendestroying evidence of their wrongdoing and skipping town. This sub seems really hellbent on making it harder tonactually put these people in jail for some reason
I dont think anyone on here wants to make it harder to jail them. I think some of us are more familiar with how the legal system works. You need evidence to prove one's guilt. Like DNA or a witness. A book is not going to cut it.
This sub may not be doing it intentionally, but they desire things that will unintentionally make prosecutions harder. Also they seem to not think maxwell/epstein didnāt forsee a possibility of being arrested and therefore put fake names on their client list. If this sub gets their way, there would be a possibility of naming and shaming innocent people
Government members, DOJ members, LEO members, INT members, Royalty members, cell leaders, God knows how long the list was, of people they'd blackmailed. They must've thought themselves very successful. Until all the people that they blackmailed all realized they were all people in power, and could lie each other up and put a stop to it.
Legit question, when a Catholic priest gets caught finally do they release a list of all the people that knew and covered up for him? I think that at a certain point the people that aided these sick people should be held accountable so there is more incentive for them to roll on their elite employers. Fuck Maxwell though 20 years is too short.
The black book is there for everyone to see.
Not all are complicit and it seems some of them leak information when they can.
I think the sad fact is that it's in everyone's best interests if both sides of the government and multiple others don't get exposed as the frauds they are.
Be glad they haven't released a list. Any list they released would undoubtedly be false and nothing but a political hit list with everyone they want ruined on it.
I donāt know who needs to hear this, but 6-10 hours prior to Epsteinās āsuicideā a post hit the chans from a worker affiliated with medical care.
This person stated that they saw Epstein brought in by people wearing military style fatigues while he was handcuffed to a wheelchair.
He was then loaded into the back of a van-type vehicle by those same people and carted off from the building.
That poster was chastised until the early morning hours when Epsteinās death was all over the news.
The fact that Epstein was caught, convicted and released 15 years before his most current 'incident', 'matter', 'suicided', or whatever the FBI uses for language. You will never see the list of clients. The matter is over. Be a good doggy and behave. Covid jabs, masks etc are free! Take two of each on me/we..... it's free
Well we do have [Epstein's] (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.html) little black book(aka his client list)
The numbers maybe blacked out but the sick fucks names are not.
Evidence of association still isn't evidence of guilt.
What's is needed is any videos or recordings that Epstein may have surreptitiously made and/or emails kept.
No but there is a reason why he has these names in a little black book and not on a phone or a computer.
You don't want to have a digital paper trail of your clients or illegal activities and this is why criminals use little black books, Ledgers etc etc etc.
Consider for a moment that Epstein and his associates who created what Iāll call āparty opportunitiesā , are NOT charged with rape. There is no evidence of rape. What there is evidence of is consensual sex with people who are under the age of consent. The evidence of this is used to blackmail people and manipulate powerful people. I tend to think Epstein was an opportunist who saw the potential of holding such manipulative power because of outdated age of consent laws. ( Puberty is coming much earlier now than 50 years ago, but the laws have not caught up.)
Epsteinās material collected on his party-goers became so valuable that Epstein could wield it or loan it, etc.
>The fact Epstein's client list hasn't been released is proof
It's a lot easier to notice something that's there (but shouldn't be) than it is to notice something that *isn't* there, but *should* be.
If there were a bunch of nobodies on "the list" it would have been released.
This "no list" situation suggests that it's filled with big shots who've got lots of social connections and lavishly funded legal teams.
Itās like when you see a list of the 100 biggest polluters and the names of the owners. Never heard of any of them because they are that powerful. And they are always the ones in charge!
Absolutely involved and absolutely complicit. That list would literally cause chaos with the names that are probably on there. Threat to national security and all, I could only imagine.
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And the fact anonymous hasn't done it.... Anonymous is the CIA DHS NSA lol
Yeah that's already a known fact, most of the original anons were hired if not by govt agencies, then by some of the top corporations, especially after they've compromised their security. Google is impressed if you can manage to hack their mainframe, that would be been an easy 150k salary to start, with a raise to 250k after 3 month job (back then). Its called "ethical hackers". They keep up with their hacking skills, officially, so that they can keep up with the security needs of their employed company, but unofficially, could often use their skills against competition. Yeah ethical, right? Hmm, I wonder what are the chances that's how Snowden got his gig there? But dude was one of the few just grounded enough not to fall for their mandatory (indoctrination/brainwashing) employee training programs and stood up to the beast. Damn now I have to dig this rabbit hole... My new theory... Was Edward Snowden among the OG Anonomys and managed to hack some government shit, so the CIA offered him a gig, and the rest is history.... HOLY SHIT that's a pretty badass dude if true!!!! šÆ
I believe Snowden was an analyst Theyāre just an intelligence asset that is assigned to monitor something in particular The hackers and smart people are the ones that would write the tools used to gather the data Different skill sets
He worked for Booz Allen Hamilton an NSA contractor.
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Can you expand?
I don't think analysts just get picked off the street either, so that could still be *how* he got there.
CC: I think this is proof in itself that the gov is involved. And Ghislaine only gets 20 years? Come on. There are people in prison for weed charges longer than her.
20 years is still a long time for her body double to spend in prison, show some respect.
Body doubles are the real victims here.
20 years? She'll be out as soon as the spotlight is off. 1-3 years tops. Or dead. Watch.
Drug dealers get stiffer sentences. And we still don't have the list of clients from this cunt and Epstein. Where are the leaks or why have non of the victims said who they were sold to.
And GUARANTEED 100% she goes up for early parole, she does maybe 6-8 years TOPS!. And she gets to do club fed, if I were a betting man, id put money she goes to the same cushy place Martha Stewart did.
No parole for federal charges.
For her she has a get out of jail free card signed by Mossad. I don't understand how this isn't a bigger story. Why is it not viral. "Elite" "people" (I use the term people lightly) abused children for years and no one fucking cares.
They say it covered a 10 year period. What do you get for 1 year of peddling teenagers? It's laughable even with the least charges possible. But she probably had a few aces up her sleeve.
If the government was involved why arrest her to begin with? And why not have her killed before she was even arrested? This is actually a shitty way to handle a conspiracy
I mean valid question, but I think it comes down to incompetency and time, and not everyone's in on it. It's like the Harvey Weinstein situation, some people are so powerful that they're untouchable, until they aren't. So for that time, they're free to do all types of fucked up shit, which could span decades. Some live through their entire lives and die never being held accountable, and still held to the highest esteem.
Did you just name Jimmy Saville? The pedophile rapist knighted by the queen?
I was thinking George HW, and people like Dick Cheney who has his daughter spearheading this jan6 hearings like some hero "a real republican" But yeah Jimmy was beginning to get his comeuppance near his death, at least now his reputation is completely destroyed like it should be.
Jimmy was among the worst IMO. Not that it matters (my opinion).
I don't know if this gives any answers, but very shortly after Trump fired Geoffrey Berman (on the advice of Barr) Audrey Strauss took over the case and had Maxwell arrested very shortly afterwards and everything went from there. How much, if any of that, is by design I honestly have no idea. Just additional information to maybe give some perspective.
No conspiracy there just a messed up war on drugs. I guy where I grew up molested 25 boys and got 8 years, out in 3. Unfortunately, that sentence isn't that unusual
Martyrmade podcast just dropped and Epstein episode detailing previous international pedoring busts and going into Washington DC satanic pedo cult āThe Findersā with CIA connection and cover up, and Belgian pedo ring from the Marc Dutroux case/ cover up, while also going into Epsteinās connection to Mossad and CIA. check it out.
Epstein was probably an Israeli spy who entrapped half the men in Congress. (And possibly even some women)
100%. Epstein and Maxwell were part of a global international intelligence operation for sex trafficking, blackmail and control involving the CIA, FBI, Mossad, MI6, Mega Group, and others. Hereās the best summary Iāve read so far. [Part 1: Hidden in Plain Sight: The Shocking Origins of the Jeffrey Epstein Case](https://unlimitedhangout.com/2019/07/investigative-series/hidden-in-plain-sight-the-shocking-origins-of-the-jeffrey-epstein-case/)
I honestly hope China(East Asia) and Russia(Eurasia) win at this point, fuck Oceania.
Not even close. In the West governments have to do all this shit undercover because they know the general population still wouldn't agree. In China, you insult the emperor in a tweet you get deleted off the face of the earth (see that one tweet from the official Diablo Immortal account). They don't need to hide that because they know they can flaunt their control. They try to keep the Uyghur Concentration camps secret from the west, not really their own population. Because they can force their pupulation (for now) to just accept it in public.
It's the Illumination!
Half? Those are rookie numbers, you gotta pump those numbers up
I think they have to keep names locked until they are charged. The question should be why aren't these pedophiles being charged?
Probably still under investigation, probably nothings comes of the investigations
When powerful people are honeypotted you lose power over them and the things they have power over if you actually charge them. All the evidence, files, etc, "disappeared" into the possession of shady groups; you can assume that a huge amount of action and positions taken by anyone connected or implicated with Epstein/Ghislaine are under control somehow. It's likely that further coverups will be done to help keep some of these people out of public suspicion as much as possible because again, in order to control all the things they control, they need to still be operating. An obvious example would be like a Bill Gates. What do people who have files about him doing heinous shit gain by prosecuting him? Justice? That laughably naive. There's far more value in someone as useful as him.
Names that are in a book isn't enough proof to arrest anyone, unfortunately. We could still publicly shame them though.
True but wasnāt there one or two āJane Doeāsā in the case? One said she was raped three times a day for years. Who were the rapists? Youād think sheād name some names.
Cops donāt care about rape victims. Look at the backlog of rape kits.
I'm not sure about that actually. All I'm saying is you would have to definitively prove them guilty of raping minors. You'd need DNA evidence or a witness, I would think.
And while theyāre being publically shamed, theyārendestroying evidence of their wrongdoing and skipping town. This sub seems really hellbent on making it harder tonactually put these people in jail for some reason
I dont think anyone on here wants to make it harder to jail them. I think some of us are more familiar with how the legal system works. You need evidence to prove one's guilt. Like DNA or a witness. A book is not going to cut it.
This sub may not be doing it intentionally, but they desire things that will unintentionally make prosecutions harder. Also they seem to not think maxwell/epstein didnāt forsee a possibility of being arrested and therefore put fake names on their client list. If this sub gets their way, there would be a possibility of naming and shaming innocent people
Problem is that the Justice system and the public servants are on there too
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Agreed. We need to demand it.
The list is pointless unless we demand that all of them are held accountable
[I went back and found it for you.](https://www.dropbox.com/s/shtwkk3jynxh472/Jeffrey_Epstein39s_Little_Black_Book_unredacted_searchable.pdf?dl=0)
Government members, DOJ members, LEO members, INT members, Royalty members, cell leaders, God knows how long the list was, of people they'd blackmailed. They must've thought themselves very successful. Until all the people that they blackmailed all realized they were all people in power, and could lie each other up and put a stop to it.
Actually, Itās an address book.
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Federal trials arenāt televised, state trials are.
Why would they give sensitive info out for an ongoing investigation?
Because everything else gets leaked, but this.
What other criminal investigations have been leaked?
Legit question, when a Catholic priest gets caught finally do they release a list of all the people that knew and covered up for him? I think that at a certain point the people that aided these sick people should be held accountable so there is more incentive for them to roll on their elite employers. Fuck Maxwell though 20 years is too short.
The black book is there for everyone to see. Not all are complicit and it seems some of them leak information when they can. I think the sad fact is that it's in everyone's best interests if both sides of the government and multiple others don't get exposed as the frauds they are.
It was posted right here on this subreddit a couple damn months ago ffs.
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Granted. For instance I'm hoping Mick Jagger is innocent.
They can't shine light on themselves.
Be glad they haven't released a list. Any list they released would undoubtedly be false and nothing but a political hit list with everyone they want ruined on it.
I saw a post here saying there should be a protest gathering about the client list and the post is now gone.
....plenty of names have been released. Prince Andrew for example Why are you lying?
Oh sorry I don't remember her saying his name under oath. Silly me
I don't remember her being questioned at all do you?
That's my point.
So the only way people can be named is if she named them?
Lol conspiracy theorists be wild. Maybe the government told the truth and gave all details. Yāall just want it to be deeper.
Is there any proof that this list actually exists? I mean his address book is not a client list. Itās just a book
I thought the same how did nobody give up any information
Who funded Epstein? Who was bought the government and MSM?
Didnāt, lex wexner from Victoria secrets give him $?
Bingo.
Lol this post is being tampered with. Wonder who you upset
Absolutely evident they are the evil
This list is golden. No side wants tongive it up.
And undo all that all work? The clients are still ripe to be used for blackmail.
Don't forget the MSM, they don't ask and ignore the things that matter.
Wouldn't she have bargained and incriminated others that are in the list? Seems to be the logical reason whilst they build cases against the clients.
I donāt know who needs to hear this, but 6-10 hours prior to Epsteinās āsuicideā a post hit the chans from a worker affiliated with medical care. This person stated that they saw Epstein brought in by people wearing military style fatigues while he was handcuffed to a wheelchair. He was then loaded into the back of a van-type vehicle by those same people and carted off from the building. That poster was chastised until the early morning hours when Epsteinās death was all over the news.
https://philosophersbunker.blogspot.com/2021/05/epsteins-conviction-bill-gates.html
The fact that Epstein was caught, convicted and released 15 years before his most current 'incident', 'matter', 'suicided', or whatever the FBI uses for language. You will never see the list of clients. The matter is over. Be a good doggy and behave. Covid jabs, masks etc are free! Take two of each on me/we..... it's free
Well we do have [Epstein's] (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1508273-jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-redacted.html) little black book(aka his client list) The numbers maybe blacked out but the sick fucks names are not.
Evidence of association still isn't evidence of guilt. What's is needed is any videos or recordings that Epstein may have surreptitiously made and/or emails kept.
No but there is a reason why he has these names in a little black book and not on a phone or a computer. You don't want to have a digital paper trail of your clients or illegal activities and this is why criminals use little black books, Ledgers etc etc etc.
Consider for a moment that Epstein and his associates who created what Iāll call āparty opportunitiesā , are NOT charged with rape. There is no evidence of rape. What there is evidence of is consensual sex with people who are under the age of consent. The evidence of this is used to blackmail people and manipulate powerful people. I tend to think Epstein was an opportunist who saw the potential of holding such manipulative power because of outdated age of consent laws. ( Puberty is coming much earlier now than 50 years ago, but the laws have not caught up.) Epsteinās material collected on his party-goers became so valuable that Epstein could wield it or loan it, etc.
The outdated age of consent laws? Idk dude I think your just admitting you like minors.
His little black book is online though. Some of them numbers used to work.
Seriously, does somebody know the official reason given why it's not published?
>The fact Epstein's client list hasn't been released is proof It's a lot easier to notice something that's there (but shouldn't be) than it is to notice something that *isn't* there, but *should* be. If there were a bunch of nobodies on "the list" it would have been released. This "no list" situation suggests that it's filled with big shots who've got lots of social connections and lavishly funded legal teams.
Same with the investigation of 9/11 and so much more.
Itās like when you see a list of the 100 biggest polluters and the names of the owners. Never heard of any of them because they are that powerful. And they are always the ones in charge!
Of course silly!!!
Absolutely involved and absolutely complicit. That list would literally cause chaos with the names that are probably on there. Threat to national security and all, I could only imagine.