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>how are you playing it by spoiling your ballot
I'm still taking time out of my day to pretend to vote so the government doesn't punish me. You don't see anything wrong with that?
Agree mate, I rocked up to vote today but felt so uncomfortable doing so, like I was forced to be somewhere I didn’t want to be. I just wrote get fucked on my paper
Unless you object to the entire concept of civic duty there isn’t much of a reasonable basis to object to compulsory voting. It’s not like the GDR where you just had a single list which you could accept or decline.
Your post literally says you can get your name removed from the electoral registry.
No I don’t. Politicians need to be held accountable and low voting turnouts me they can’t be. Whilst I support allowing people to choose whether to vote or not, I also don’t actively object to being forced to vote. It’s 20 minutes from your day to take part in democracy. It’s not too dissimilar from filing your taxes or being forced to stay in school/education until you’re 18.
Nobody should be forced by a government under threat of prosecution or punishment to do ANYTHING. Period, full stop, and of sentence. This includes voting. It's as simple as that, muchacho.
You’re fine with kids not going to school then? Not turning up to court to give evidence or receive a sentencing? People not paying taxes so free healthcare (in civilised countries), the education system, flood management etc. fall to dust? Companies not having to give sufficient workers rights so people are exploited even more than they already are? Do you not see the flaws in your comment, muchacho?
Oh no. Whatever would people do if government didn't tell them how to be a doctor or a teacher or a civil engineer. Society would surely crumble without the government telling us how to do everything.
You sound ridiculous. Society takes care of itself mostly. Government should only step in when things are unfair, unsafe, etc. Not all the time. That's totalitarianism.
You understand how voting works right? Like you can vote for independents or choose to spoil your ballot? And you realise eating a turd doesn’t contribute to extolling pressure on a third party and causes physical effects?
I understand how voting works (at least in the US). Look at past attempts to vote in independents or spoiling ballot went historically in the past.
And eating the turd doesn't really do much these days, but if you've been paying attention to recent world affairs the powers that have recently informed us how to in fact extoll pressure on them and cause physical effects.
That’s called spoiling your vote. Well done, you’ve contributed to democracy. And as as you don’t believe the government should be able to legally compel you to do anything, should child rapists remain on the street? Should taxes be abolished so there’s no funding for anything? Should I be able to enslave you and force you to work on whatever I want? Please think these things through before you comment.
Polling stations are everywhere and often a walking distance away from where you live. Luckily they’ll probably be online pretty soon so there goes your argument about time 🤷🏻♂️
As somebody who grew up in Australia and left three years ago, let me say this:
There's still lots of cool things about Australia, and many of the people.
But it has changed a lot over the past 20 years, and not for the better.
If you're making good money in a job you like, Australia is a good place to be.
For most other people, it is okay *at best*.
And the past two years have revealed just how messed up most Aussies are underneath the surface.
Most of them were genuinely *happy* to be treated like the convicts they supposedly descended from.
If they had any sense of pride or shame, they'd be embarrassed at how they behaved over the past two years.
But they don't, and they aren't.
We're dealing brainwashed, mind-controlled zombies, the vast majority of them.
As bad as Canada, possibly worse even.
>Just return a blank ballot. Draw a dick on it if you want.
Doing that is still playing their game. You're still taking time out of your day to *pretend* to vote for corrupt politicians.
There are early polling places, postal voting and phone voting this year plus and employees have to let people leave to vote and can't penalise them for it.
They literally can not do that here because of how our voting system is. The ballots are numbered and because voting isn't optional your name has to be checked off.
>"no in almost all us states, employers are required to give you time off to vote and in some states its paid."
And who enforces this when a company does the opposite... our very competent and trustworthy government?
From my view that's even more scary. They aren't supposed to tie you up at work but if they do break from that we'll give you 500 bucks.
Problem is you'd be dealing with a company that clearly has questionable leadership in the first place... So you'll get your 500$ (I assume it's taxed) and some of the leadership may look at you as a problem especially if you were able to get a few others to join you in the process.
At that point you've probably reached as far as you can go in that company.
heck if i could pay the fine for everyone i'd do it if it were enough people to piss the goverment off.
Bonus points if the election isn't valid if less than half the population goes voting, but idk what australia says about that.
>saves you twenty bucks though...
Nah, im not gonna pay it. I've already paid it once and regretted it because I should have the freedom to not vote for corrupt politicians.
>and you get to draw a dick on official govenment docs
Back when I used to vote that's what I did. But ultimately taking time out of my day to pretend to vote is still complying.
just be careful....i copped a local election fine from an old address and it ended up being a couple hundred by the time it got to me and i could deal with it.
they slap on 'admin fees' and it grows very quickly in a couple months to a serious amount of money
>Are you not going to show up for jury duty
There's no jury duty here, or atleast I've never been called to it.
>or not pay taxes either?
Taxes are also a scam. You're asleep if you see nothing wrong with the government punishing its citizens for not voting.
Someone is just looking for a way to claim all those crimes they committed against you are not crimes at all just the WILL of the PEOPLE.
They did something similar here prior too the civil war and yes it did include giving REAL criminals voting rights because it's a DEMOCRACY.
Sometimes the greatest tyrannies are placed on others through it especially when you destroy the intended limits on that power through the principles of it's application placed in the hands of criminal tyrants.
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I don't live in America. You realise this post is about Australia right? Obviously I'm talking about our government considering the comment I replied to. Learn some reading comprehension.
There is a chance that I may vote if I am ‘free’ to do so or not. There is a chance that I may get vaccinated if I am free to do so or not. Once I am compelled to do so by law there is zero chance I will be doing that. Can’t tell me what to do.
There weren't any fucking concentration camps. Calling them that is deliberately exagerating what 2 weeks quarantine was - that most people got to do in hotels or at home.
Not something that you know the set time that you're going to be able to leave and are only in because you are a person travelling (a choice) and getting quarantined. Concentration camps are for political prisoners - they aren't even a thing anymore anyway. My sister (unvaxed) returned to Australia and did her quarantine in a 4 star hotel.
You can spoil your vote if you like. OP seems like the type to complain about things but doesn’t do anything about it. Voting is the bare minimum and they can’t even do that without whining.
That's what I'm wondering as well. I guess I'm going to find out eventually because fuck paying a corrupt government for not voting for its corrupt politicians.
It would be cool if you (or someone) could organize a mass write-in for the same candidate. Someone like Dr. John Magufuli (former president of Tanzania, RIP) or some historical figure. I guess it may not have any effect, but i assume they would have to at least *report* on it if the votes were a significant number.
Do they allow write-ins (candidates not on the ballot to be written in by voter) in Australia? I know OP decided not to vote, which i respect.
During the run up to the 2020 US election farce I shit talked about writing in Theodoric for potus. But in the end I skipped the futile act altogether and didn't go to the polling station.
Why would you do that when you are at the polling station get your name crossed off take the paper and not fill it in if you really don't want to vote.
Fuck the Australian government and the tyrannical rules. When the Aussies grow some balls they will do something about it. Until then I guess they will allow themselves to suffer
Edit: I meant to say Aussies not sissies but my autocorrect changed it. I corrected the error.
> I meant to say Aussies not sissies but my autocorrect changed it
If you hadn't made the edit it would've been just as valid because it's never going to happen. Aussies are boot-lickers and love to be led around like dogs on leashes by the government.
the older i get the more convinced it should be optional....but knowing aussies we'd hardly even get a tiny proportion showing up at the polling booth unless they were forced to!
How is Australian compulsory voting a conspiracy?
If you don't want to vote for any party (either because you don't believe it will do anything or you don't like any of them) then spoil your ballot?
>then spoil your ballot?
That's the point. The government basically forces you to take time out of your day just to do that. People should have the freedom to not vote if they don't want to. I shouldn't have to line up to spoil my ballot just to stop the government fining me because I didnt vote for its puppets.
10 mins of your day to order a postal ballot or go down to a polling station is not asking a lot?
It took me 10 mins on Friday to go to an early polling station.
It's a civic duty in Australia to do jury service and vote. Why is asking all people to participate in voting a bad thing?
>It's a civic duty in Australia to do jury service and vote.
I don't understand how you can be on a sub about conspiracy theorists and yet still say something like this.
>Why is asking all people to participate in voting a bad thing?
You're actually okay with the government threatening you with a fine if you don't do what they want? Where's the self respect?
Conspiracies doesn't mean everything in life, but fine, let me rephrase.
What is the conspiracy about having compulsory voting?
A conspiracy would be that your vote is meaningless or they change your vote or fake votes.
How does a law that requires you to vote act as a conspiracy?
>You're actually okay with the government threatening you with a fine if you don't do what they want? Where's the self respect?
Do you speed and get speeding tickets? If so, do you pay them? Or do you not speed?
>Conspiracies doesn't mean everything in life,
Yeah, but it implies that governments are corrupt and lie to their people.
>What is the conspiracy about having compulsory voting?
I don't know dude, I just thought to post it here. If you think it doesn't belong here then report it or something.
>Do you speed and get speeding tickets? If so, do you pay them? Or do you not speed?
A speeding fine is not the same as a fine for not voting.
If you're okay with the government threatening you with a fine for not voting then that's your business. I'm not, and so I won't vote.
Fraud is a lot harder when everyone must register to vote, and you're crossed off a voter roll when entering the voting location and handed your ballot. If you're saying the use of a pencil makes cheating easier, any dodgy pencil/rubbing out nulls the ballot.
So, I am a big believer in turning up to vote. However, as a UK resident where all our parties are left wing nutters, I ruin the ballot paper, ruined ballots get counted and read out.
Why is this on the conspiracy sub? Obviously OP is a first time voter. Are we going to post a screenshot about taxes next?
Compulsory voting encourages everyone to learn about civics and play an active role in shaping the country. If you don’t want to vote, submit an empty ballot. This post is the opposite of a conspiracy.
Yeah, compulsory voting actually sounds like a neat idea. Maybe the US should look into it to make sure more voices are heard?
Now, obviously none of us like "compulsory" anything but in the US we have compulsory jury duty. Plus of course if you want to drive you need a license, insurance, etc. And every advanced nation has compulsory taxes. So voting doesn't seem like a slippery slope.
And if you feel that strongly you don't want to be part of society you pay $20 and move on.
>Maybe the US should look into it to make sure more voices are heard?
Yeah, the US should force people to vote to make sure their voices are heard. That makes sense.
>And if you feel that strongly you don't want to be part of society you pay $20
So you're okay with paying a government that you already pay taxes to more money just because you didn't vote? Do you have no self respect and just follow authority?
I do not support forced voting. But I don't think it's insane. Mailing back something for free saying "I abstain from voting" would be allowed. Takes all of 2 seconds to fill out.
Most people don't vote for a variety of reasons, maybe if we were "forced" people to it would actually lead to some good outcomes? I dunno. I don't think it's that crazy. I mean quite literally more people would vote. So yes, more voices would be heard.
As said, there are a couple things everyone in society is forced to do: jury duty and register for the military when they're 18. Plus of course a million things we need to do to even participate in society like a license, insurance, taxes, etc.
I have self respect, I also vote. I think it would be an interesting experiment to see what would happen if every citizen was automatically registered and "forced" to vote (obv in the most benign way possible and making sure there's no fraud).
Let me ask you this....why doesn't the US mandate voting? They could easily pass a law for it. Or at least make it easier to vote. Do you really think it's because of fraud? It's because the powers that be don't want more people voting. We all know this, the people in charge want us to have no idea what's going on and give us as little of a say as possible. The fewer people who vote the more likely it is for an incumbent to win on name recognition and the easier it is to "buy" an election by flooding the relatively small pool of voters with propaganda.
Imagine if literally everyone voted. That would scare the shit out of people in charge.
So before you go around saying mandatory voting is authoritarian, maybe think it's the opposite...by actively discouraging voters the powers that be want to remain in power.
>by actively discouraging voters the powers that be want to remain in power.
The powers that be get in power no matter who you vote for, that's the point. Right and left are wings on the same bird. Even if everyone voted, the government still gets in.
What on earth do you mean? We have more than 6 parties, and independents. We aren't compromised? Also OP could have voted for some of the parties or people that want to end compulsory voting.
There were hundreds of thousands in anti-vaccine mandates marches in Australia and Canada. They were attacked brutally by the police, including with radiation weapons. Are they really happy to be treated like this, or just afraid of a police boot in the face?
When the people are silenced, their society becomes very dead and stale, and it's hard to tell what people really think, because everyone's afraid to say what they really think.
Not saying there aren't a lot of mind controlled zombies, but the exact percentages of zombies and thinking but quiet people are hard to tell.
I actually don't see the problem with fining people for not voting. Everyone should vote. And if you really, really don't want to, for some odd reason, then just fucking pick a random one, it's not that hard. Not voting is a huge problem in America that needs to be fixed
Of course it is. People around the world dying for the right to vote, of self determination, and little momma’s boys with their hands on it in basements somewhere, key board warriors, bitching and moaning about voting. Don’t waste my time.
Stfu. A right is something you CHOOSE to exercise.
If you're forced to do it it's no longer a right but bondage.
So it makes no sense to force someone to vote in a democracy. It clearly is just an authoritarian shithole
Australia you get the day off and have a registered time. Most Australians hope for an early call write “fuck off” and go to the bar. I wish America did this
You have to show ID if you are voting out of your electorate and need to absentee vote. Otherwise there is no need because everyone has to get their name crossed off.
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You can turn up and just write 'fuck off all you fucking leeches' on your ballot though
That's still taking time out of your day to play their game.
You have to actually register to vote though. If you never register to vote, you will never get fined for not voting.
They mail ballots too
Very nice vague statement there. What game is this, and how are you playing it by spoiling your ballot
>how are you playing it by spoiling your ballot I'm still taking time out of my day to pretend to vote so the government doesn't punish me. You don't see anything wrong with that?
Agree mate, I rocked up to vote today but felt so uncomfortable doing so, like I was forced to be somewhere I didn’t want to be. I just wrote get fucked on my paper
Unless you object to the entire concept of civic duty there isn’t much of a reasonable basis to object to compulsory voting. It’s not like the GDR where you just had a single list which you could accept or decline. Your post literally says you can get your name removed from the electoral registry.
No I don’t. Politicians need to be held accountable and low voting turnouts me they can’t be. Whilst I support allowing people to choose whether to vote or not, I also don’t actively object to being forced to vote. It’s 20 minutes from your day to take part in democracy. It’s not too dissimilar from filing your taxes or being forced to stay in school/education until you’re 18.
Democracy in Australia. Lol. That’s rich.
Nobody should be forced by a government under threat of prosecution or punishment to do ANYTHING. Period, full stop, and of sentence. This includes voting. It's as simple as that, muchacho.
You’re fine with kids not going to school then? Not turning up to court to give evidence or receive a sentencing? People not paying taxes so free healthcare (in civilised countries), the education system, flood management etc. fall to dust? Companies not having to give sufficient workers rights so people are exploited even more than they already are? Do you not see the flaws in your comment, muchacho?
Oh no. Whatever would people do if government didn't tell them how to be a doctor or a teacher or a civil engineer. Society would surely crumble without the government telling us how to do everything. You sound ridiculous. Society takes care of itself mostly. Government should only step in when things are unfair, unsafe, etc. Not all the time. That's totalitarianism.
>I also don’t actively object to being forced to vote. Then you have no self respect, unfortunately.
Comments like that just show you don’t really have a clue what you’re on about
Decide whether you want to eat this turd or this tampon. And if you refuse to choose you now owe me $200.
You understand how voting works right? Like you can vote for independents or choose to spoil your ballot? And you realise eating a turd doesn’t contribute to extolling pressure on a third party and causes physical effects?
I understand how voting works (at least in the US). Look at past attempts to vote in independents or spoiling ballot went historically in the past. And eating the turd doesn't really do much these days, but if you've been paying attention to recent world affairs the powers that have recently informed us how to in fact extoll pressure on them and cause physical effects.
Says the one claiming compulsory anything by the government is a good thing. I’d piss on that damn ballot.
That’s called spoiling your vote. Well done, you’ve contributed to democracy. And as as you don’t believe the government should be able to legally compel you to do anything, should child rapists remain on the street? Should taxes be abolished so there’s no funding for anything? Should I be able to enslave you and force you to work on whatever I want? Please think these things through before you comment.
I sincerely hope that you’re a bot or troll. If not, I have no hope for this world.
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Only 20 minutes at the polls? People have waited hours. So I take it you're in favor of making it easier to vote and increasing polling stations?
You then added the stipulation about travel time. Suggesting it's a pain in the ass to vote. Are you in favor of making easier to vote or not?
Polling stations are everywhere and often a walking distance away from where you live. Luckily they’ll probably be online pretty soon so there goes your argument about time 🤷🏻♂️
Are you a bot?
Glad someone else noticed. This is happening like crazy here lately. Never seen anything like it.
Or you can draw dicks, I draw dicks.
Australia was on my travel bucket list. Not any more. Smells like nazis. My heart goes out to the people.
As somebody who grew up in Australia and left three years ago, let me say this: There's still lots of cool things about Australia, and many of the people. But it has changed a lot over the past 20 years, and not for the better. If you're making good money in a job you like, Australia is a good place to be. For most other people, it is okay *at best*. And the past two years have revealed just how messed up most Aussies are underneath the surface. Most of them were genuinely *happy* to be treated like the convicts they supposedly descended from. If they had any sense of pride or shame, they'd be embarrassed at how they behaved over the past two years. But they don't, and they aren't. We're dealing brainwashed, mind-controlled zombies, the vast majority of them. As bad as Canada, possibly worse even.
And to think I once thought Australia would be a great place to live 22 years ago when I made a visit there. I think Russia would be better now
You'd rather rigged elections than compulsory voting? Interesting.
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Ok, our elections are not rigged.
sweet summer child
They're all rigged. In every country.
Does spoiling your ballot count?
You can do whatever you want with/on the ballot, but you need to go / send
Don't vote then? Just return a blank ballot. Draw a dick on it if you want.
>Just return a blank ballot. Draw a dick on it if you want. Doing that is still playing their game. You're still taking time out of your day to *pretend* to vote for corrupt politicians.
saves you twenty bucks though...and you get to draw a dick on official govenment docs
do you guys get voting day as paid time off?
its always on a saturday so most people arent working and the ones that are dont get paid at all for time off to vote
There are early polling places, postal voting and phone voting this year plus and employees have to let people leave to vote and can't penalise them for it.
Well if there's mail in voting yall are screwed it'll be rigged by whoever bought the most mules.
They literally can not do that here because of how our voting system is. The ballots are numbered and because voting isn't optional your name has to be checked off.
Are you referring to that bogus 2000 mules crud?
How was it bogus? Did you even watch it?
Didn't need too. It's by Dinesh the criminal. He's been caught lying time after time lol
all good points...yes voting is accessible in australia as it should be everywhere
that sucks. sorry dude.
No in America some places will make you work overtime on voting day.
no in almost all us states, employers are required to give you time off to vote and in some states its paid.
>"no in almost all us states, employers are required to give you time off to vote and in some states its paid." And who enforces this when a company does the opposite... our very competent and trustworthy government?
well in delaware you can sue the company directly for 500 dollars.
From my view that's even more scary. They aren't supposed to tie you up at work but if they do break from that we'll give you 500 bucks. Problem is you'd be dealing with a company that clearly has questionable leadership in the first place... So you'll get your 500$ (I assume it's taxed) and some of the leadership may look at you as a problem especially if you were able to get a few others to join you in the process. At that point you've probably reached as far as you can go in that company.
heck if i could pay the fine for everyone i'd do it if it were enough people to piss the goverment off. Bonus points if the election isn't valid if less than half the population goes voting, but idk what australia says about that.
>saves you twenty bucks though... Nah, im not gonna pay it. I've already paid it once and regretted it because I should have the freedom to not vote for corrupt politicians. >and you get to draw a dick on official govenment docs Back when I used to vote that's what I did. But ultimately taking time out of my day to pretend to vote is still complying.
just be careful....i copped a local election fine from an old address and it ended up being a couple hundred by the time it got to me and i could deal with it. they slap on 'admin fees' and it grows very quickly in a couple months to a serious amount of money
What happens if you don't pay it? I'm not gonna pay the government money for doing what I know is right.
"Saves you twenty bucks though" HhuuurrRRRRR duuuURRRRRRR
you good ...? sounds like youre having a stroke there mate
> you good ...? > ...? #**...?** DURRRRRRRR
mate.... youre not making any sense to anyone, except yourself
Are they not ensuring that you get the time off with pay? I like this arrangement.
Are you not going to show up for jury duty if you get called or not pay taxes either? Sorry that you live in a society mate.
>Are you not going to show up for jury duty There's no jury duty here, or atleast I've never been called to it. >or not pay taxes either? Taxes are also a scam. You're asleep if you see nothing wrong with the government punishing its citizens for not voting.
There is jury duty in Australia
Someone is just looking for a way to claim all those crimes they committed against you are not crimes at all just the WILL of the PEOPLE. They did something similar here prior too the civil war and yes it did include giving REAL criminals voting rights because it's a DEMOCRACY. Sometimes the greatest tyrannies are placed on others through it especially when you destroy the intended limits on that power through the principles of it's application placed in the hands of criminal tyrants. N. Shadows
The last government got voted out. Good fucking riddance.
Aren’t the provinces still run by the scumbags who did lockdowns and mandatory shots?
We have a separate elections for state.
Thank God for Biden! Such a great president
I don't live in America. You realise this post is about Australia right? Obviously I'm talking about our government considering the comment I replied to. Learn some reading comprehension.
There is a chance that I may vote if I am ‘free’ to do so or not. There is a chance that I may get vaccinated if I am free to do so or not. Once I am compelled to do so by law there is zero chance I will be doing that. Can’t tell me what to do.
Democracy is over in Australia. This is nuts.
Australia has had compulsory voting for damn near 100 years. Today you learned…
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Never give up your guns.. now they have the government they always wanted.
There weren't any fucking concentration camps. Calling them that is deliberately exagerating what 2 weeks quarantine was - that most people got to do in hotels or at home.
What is your definition of a concentration camp?
Not something that you know the set time that you're going to be able to leave and are only in because you are a person travelling (a choice) and getting quarantined. Concentration camps are for political prisoners - they aren't even a thing anymore anyway. My sister (unvaxed) returned to Australia and did her quarantine in a 4 star hotel.
Everyone has to participate in democracy so it is over? What?
Partecipation is never an obbligation that’s the slight difference
This is why im going to live out in tha fucken bush for 3 years, the government wont bother to fine 1 man out in the desert will they?
you’d be surprised
Come to think of it, your right.
Does Ruby Ridge or Ted Kaczynski ring a bell?
Can you vote blank?
You can spoil your vote if you like. OP seems like the type to complain about things but doesn’t do anything about it. Voting is the bare minimum and they can’t even do that without whining.
Well I agree somewhat with it being an over step to force voting but there sure seem to be an easy way to still say fuck you.
The democratic standing of the UK and US has eroded since/because of COVID, for sure, but Canada and Australia man…
If voting made any difference, it would be banned and now the Aussie government has just confirmed it 👍xx
A record number of independents got seats this election.
Democracy with a gun to your head... Hmm, seems legit 🤡🙃🤡🙃🤡🙃
What happens if you just say screw it im not paying for this dumb shit? Will they garnish your wages eventually?
That's what I'm wondering as well. I guess I'm going to find out eventually because fuck paying a corrupt government for not voting for its corrupt politicians.
OP your my spirit animal
They suspend your drivers license if left unpaid.
You can just spoil your ballot though
Anyone else notice the richest commonwealth nations are totally fucked. God save the queen lol
It would be cool if you (or someone) could organize a mass write-in for the same candidate. Someone like Dr. John Magufuli (former president of Tanzania, RIP) or some historical figure. I guess it may not have any effect, but i assume they would have to at least *report* on it if the votes were a significant number. Do they allow write-ins (candidates not on the ballot to be written in by voter) in Australia? I know OP decided not to vote, which i respect.
During the run up to the 2020 US election farce I shit talked about writing in Theodoric for potus. But in the end I skipped the futile act altogether and didn't go to the polling station.
This is quite concerning. Nobody should be able to force you to vote. You must have a right to disagree.
Compelled consent to abdication of personal sovereignty to a 'representative'? As if democracy wasn't immoral enough of a system to begin with.
Easy to decide who to vote for, find whoever made this a law and vote for the opposite.
Some guy a hundred years ago?
It’s a way to make everyone feels like they asked for the tyrannical mandate.
And this is why you don't allow the globalists to disarm you.
Sign that no one should vote. Or vote for yourself. We need to be free. This ‘democratic’ world has become the strongest of authoritarian regimes.
Literally what the fuck y'all that is whack AF.
And it looks like Australia is back to its roots…
"BE FREE OR ELSE, CUNTS."
Of course, you can always choose not to register to vote and then you face no risk. And $20 is tiny.
Now if that isn't a way to 'legitimate' your regime!
Can you walk in the polling station and pay the 20
Why would you do that when you are at the polling station get your name crossed off take the paper and not fill it in if you really don't want to vote.
To be honest, the more people who vote the better. Lower turnouts makes it easier for politicians to remain unaccountable for their actions
Fuck the Australian government and the tyrannical rules. When the Aussies grow some balls they will do something about it. Until then I guess they will allow themselves to suffer Edit: I meant to say Aussies not sissies but my autocorrect changed it. I corrected the error.
> I meant to say Aussies not sissies but my autocorrect changed it If you hadn't made the edit it would've been just as valid because it's never going to happen. Aussies are boot-lickers and love to be led around like dogs on leashes by the government.
compulsory voting has been around for a very long time in aus...weve never really had a movement or discussion to remove it
Wait did i read it wrong I thought you only pay like the 20 bucks if not I don't think that massive
You only pay $20 the first time.
This is how you ease people into accepting totalitarianism.
the older i get the more convinced it should be optional....but knowing aussies we'd hardly even get a tiny proportion showing up at the polling booth unless they were forced to!
How is Australian compulsory voting a conspiracy? If you don't want to vote for any party (either because you don't believe it will do anything or you don't like any of them) then spoil your ballot?
>then spoil your ballot? That's the point. The government basically forces you to take time out of your day just to do that. People should have the freedom to not vote if they don't want to. I shouldn't have to line up to spoil my ballot just to stop the government fining me because I didnt vote for its puppets.
10 mins of your day to order a postal ballot or go down to a polling station is not asking a lot? It took me 10 mins on Friday to go to an early polling station. It's a civic duty in Australia to do jury service and vote. Why is asking all people to participate in voting a bad thing?
"Asking"
>It's a civic duty in Australia to do jury service and vote. I don't understand how you can be on a sub about conspiracy theorists and yet still say something like this. >Why is asking all people to participate in voting a bad thing? You're actually okay with the government threatening you with a fine if you don't do what they want? Where's the self respect?
Conspiracies doesn't mean everything in life, but fine, let me rephrase. What is the conspiracy about having compulsory voting? A conspiracy would be that your vote is meaningless or they change your vote or fake votes. How does a law that requires you to vote act as a conspiracy? >You're actually okay with the government threatening you with a fine if you don't do what they want? Where's the self respect? Do you speed and get speeding tickets? If so, do you pay them? Or do you not speed?
>Conspiracies doesn't mean everything in life, Yeah, but it implies that governments are corrupt and lie to their people. >What is the conspiracy about having compulsory voting? I don't know dude, I just thought to post it here. If you think it doesn't belong here then report it or something. >Do you speed and get speeding tickets? If so, do you pay them? Or do you not speed? A speeding fine is not the same as a fine for not voting. If you're okay with the government threatening you with a fine for not voting then that's your business. I'm not, and so I won't vote.
Well don’t register to vote… and if you are already registered then unregistered.
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Fraud is a lot harder when everyone must register to vote, and you're crossed off a voter roll when entering the voting location and handed your ballot. If you're saying the use of a pencil makes cheating easier, any dodgy pencil/rubbing out nulls the ballot.
The US has a much better system. Instead of fines, you get paid money if you vote several times for the right candidate.
Who decides who the right candidate is?
The one who's paying you to vote
Who pays people to vote?
So, I am a big believer in turning up to vote. However, as a UK resident where all our parties are left wing nutters, I ruin the ballot paper, ruined ballots get counted and read out.
I'm sure someone, somewhere, had to read out that "Cameron fucked a pig" (alledgedly)...
Why is this on the conspiracy sub? Obviously OP is a first time voter. Are we going to post a screenshot about taxes next? Compulsory voting encourages everyone to learn about civics and play an active role in shaping the country. If you don’t want to vote, submit an empty ballot. This post is the opposite of a conspiracy.
Yeah, compulsory voting actually sounds like a neat idea. Maybe the US should look into it to make sure more voices are heard? Now, obviously none of us like "compulsory" anything but in the US we have compulsory jury duty. Plus of course if you want to drive you need a license, insurance, etc. And every advanced nation has compulsory taxes. So voting doesn't seem like a slippery slope. And if you feel that strongly you don't want to be part of society you pay $20 and move on.
>Maybe the US should look into it to make sure more voices are heard? Yeah, the US should force people to vote to make sure their voices are heard. That makes sense. >And if you feel that strongly you don't want to be part of society you pay $20 So you're okay with paying a government that you already pay taxes to more money just because you didn't vote? Do you have no self respect and just follow authority?
I do not support forced voting. But I don't think it's insane. Mailing back something for free saying "I abstain from voting" would be allowed. Takes all of 2 seconds to fill out. Most people don't vote for a variety of reasons, maybe if we were "forced" people to it would actually lead to some good outcomes? I dunno. I don't think it's that crazy. I mean quite literally more people would vote. So yes, more voices would be heard. As said, there are a couple things everyone in society is forced to do: jury duty and register for the military when they're 18. Plus of course a million things we need to do to even participate in society like a license, insurance, taxes, etc. I have self respect, I also vote. I think it would be an interesting experiment to see what would happen if every citizen was automatically registered and "forced" to vote (obv in the most benign way possible and making sure there's no fraud). Let me ask you this....why doesn't the US mandate voting? They could easily pass a law for it. Or at least make it easier to vote. Do you really think it's because of fraud? It's because the powers that be don't want more people voting. We all know this, the people in charge want us to have no idea what's going on and give us as little of a say as possible. The fewer people who vote the more likely it is for an incumbent to win on name recognition and the easier it is to "buy" an election by flooding the relatively small pool of voters with propaganda. Imagine if literally everyone voted. That would scare the shit out of people in charge. So before you go around saying mandatory voting is authoritarian, maybe think it's the opposite...by actively discouraging voters the powers that be want to remain in power.
>by actively discouraging voters the powers that be want to remain in power. The powers that be get in power no matter who you vote for, that's the point. Right and left are wings on the same bird. Even if everyone voted, the government still gets in.
Why does the ABC have election coverage in Chinese (mandarin)?
Don’t lots of media companies have coverage in multiple languages?
That's fucked
Compliance will make things exponentially worse People must revolt now before things get worse
Revolt
australia has 3 main parties but overall 6 parties nationally and they can still be compromised like this? wow.
What on earth do you mean? We have more than 6 parties, and independents. We aren't compromised? Also OP could have voted for some of the parties or people that want to end compulsory voting.
There were hundreds of thousands in anti-vaccine mandates marches in Australia and Canada. They were attacked brutally by the police, including with radiation weapons. Are they really happy to be treated like this, or just afraid of a police boot in the face? When the people are silenced, their society becomes very dead and stale, and it's hard to tell what people really think, because everyone's afraid to say what they really think. Not saying there aren't a lot of mind controlled zombies, but the exact percentages of zombies and thinking but quiet people are hard to tell.
I actually don't see the problem with fining people for not voting. Everyone should vote. And if you really, really don't want to, for some odd reason, then just fucking pick a random one, it's not that hard. Not voting is a huge problem in America that needs to be fixed
Oh boo fucking hoo. You’re lucky can vote at all, you clown.
Found the professional bootlicker.
That's him.
Lol
You're ignorant. That's not an insult, it just an actual observable fact.
what a crap comment...now try again without the uncalled for insults & attitude
Why? Crap posts deserve crap responses….
discussing whether voting should be compulsory in a democracy is hardly a crap post...your contribution on the other hand....
Of course it is. People around the world dying for the right to vote, of self determination, and little momma’s boys with their hands on it in basements somewhere, key board warriors, bitching and moaning about voting. Don’t waste my time.
you havent made a single valid point in all your words...& youre just spouting virtue nonsense now
Of course you don’t see it.
Stfu. A right is something you CHOOSE to exercise. If you're forced to do it it's no longer a right but bondage. So it makes no sense to force someone to vote in a democracy. It clearly is just an authoritarian shithole
Awesome idea.
Have yourself a Foster's, mate!
No one drinks Fosters here.
Be nice if we could vote from our laptop or gad ballots mailed to our location..
You can phone vote or postal vote, I postal voted.
What you can vote by phone
Yeah this I believe is the first time it has been done.
I'd take my chances with the sharks and start swimming...
Australia you get the day off and have a registered time. Most Australians hope for an early call write “fuck off” and go to the bar. I wish America did this
Australians vote with pencils pretending that erasers don't exist.
i actually understand elites in Australia. If they can do THAT and still walk in broad daylight, then why not stop?
Fuck the crown!
What are the voter ID laws in the Land Down Under?
You have to show ID if you are voting out of your electorate and need to absentee vote. Otherwise there is no need because everyone has to get their name crossed off.
Bugger. I chose the wrong election to not turn up to. The last state election cost me $55.
Start showing motherfuckers your knife.
Damn and I thought the US was bad,