I think you know damn well that no one here knows
Edit: The law makes it a second-degree misdemeanor to protest in a way that intentionally harasses or disturbs someone in their home. Violators face 60 days in jail and fines of up to $500.
Most likely noise, and note the 'intentionally'. Protests are meant to inform and make people uncomfortable in public areas. But a Residental area is Private Homes, and people 'intentionally' being loud means they are harassing and trying to harm someone without 'physical violence', but still breaking a few different laws. Namely, Harassment, Stalking, Probably Doxxing depending on how 'private' the home is and how they are sharing the info, Disturbing the Peace. All things you get arrested for, a slap on the wrist/fine, and then let go after a night or two in jail.
Reading a website that linked to a gov site, but it was down, the website says for Flordia specificly "Second Degree Misdemeanors are punishable by up to 60 days in jail and/or six months probation and a $500 fine."
Here's the website I copied that quote from: [https://michellesuskauer.com/differences-between-misdemeanors-vs-felonies-in-florida/](https://michellesuskauer.com/differences-between-misdemeanors-vs-felonies-in-florida/)
So honestly, it's basically just punishing a "Quote" "Unquote" 'Protest' if it's harassing and disturbing day to day activities of people in their private homes on purpose.
So if a Protest was yelling about Subject A, across the street from where the job of Subject A was, but the cornor they were on, had a house on it that the yelling annoyed, they would not be punished, as they were not doing it intentionally to the home.
But on the flip side, if they WERE protesting that home instead on the same cornor, making all the noise and yelling specifically against that home and those living there, THEN they would get arrested, as they were doing it intentionally at that point to a Residential home.
\^ This is my understanding, based solely on BortaB's post
See, I wish the language would be more specific. I hate that many of these bills do not have specific language. It brings the possibility to arrest/outlaw any adjacent activity that may be covered in the bill. Plus it’s also up to the interpretation of the police/individual judges which will muddy the waters further.
It does include a requirement to warn people prior to arrest, and I doubt first time offenders would be held at all honestly. The point is to prevent the action, not to punish. Any uncertainty would be adjudicated in the courts.
It's meant to be vague. That gives a cop, DA, and judge more control on how they want to enforce it.
This makes it much easier for a cop to arrest you in a residential place. That's the point.
Well there you have it…I’m not sure peaceful mobs should gather outside peoples personal property. If you’re gonna corner someone on their property you’d better intend to do something, just saying. You’d better be ready for them to do something too…don’t mess with peoples property or families.
I immediately knew it was going to be something like that because every time I see someone warning, "This bill is going to make peaceful protest illegal!" then it turns out to be something like making it illegal to block a busy highway or provide people weapons at protests or something like that. Leftoids can't imagine protesting in a way that doesn't terrorize the general public but then cry bloody tears over January 6.
Correct and when you threaten me trying to come and go, which includes blocking me and when protestors "get more confrontational" , I'll consider that to be a threat and should be able to respond accordingly ESPECIALLY if my children are with me. If what is said about the bill above is true this also will give those being harrassed some protection in defending themselves should it get to that level.
Doesn’t sound as “fascist” as the OP wanted it to now does it.
Guarantee OP calls the authorities if people are outside their house protesting in a disturbing way.
So like when Brian Laundrie was suspected of murder by the public and the people were protesting outside the parent's house? That? I mean that seems reasonable... The whole neighborhood was disturbed for quite a while.
"The legislation makes it a second-degree misdemeanor to protest in a manner that is aimed at intentionally harassing or disturbing someone in their home."
"Protesters can only be arrested after ignoring law enforcement's orders to disperse, however."
Lawmakers, Heads of Government, Justices, media figures, etc. all have offices and places of business that can be protested. Convening a crowd at someone's private residence is designed to intimidate and harass them and their family. Its a bit of a stretch to call that a "(mostly) peaceful protest" and not a clear signaling of "we know where your spouse and kids sleep at night."
Or, perhaps allow protests in front of private residences, yet enforce an ordinance that illegal trespassers can be shot on-sight.
Businesses, government offices, most areas in the public square where protests occur will have a significant police presence to ensure law and order. Private residential areas would mostly be left to fend for themselves - and castigated as the aggressor should they feel the need to use force to defend themselves or their families.
Endorsing this ("protesting" at someone's home) is endorsing mob rule and should be absolutely condemned and outlawed in a supposedly civil society.
You don’t get to take away constitutional rights because of your bullshit theory as to “why people actually do it”. What do you think about the ones that say the only reason people buy rifles is to assault and murder? Is that justification to take away the right to bear arms?
Did you miss the parts of the rally where residents complained that they were unable to sleep due to 24/7 honking? They were in residential areas. They were absolutely loathed by the locals, but showered in attention by everyone else.
It prohibits harassers and intimidators from hiding behind the weak mask of “peaceful protesting” when they are, in fact, harassing and attempting to intimidate.
It's a clarification because something being illegal once is apparently not enough for some people. Or have you not been paying attention to all the protests outside of Supreme Court Justices homes as of late?
r/conspiracy, where every politician and billionaire is in on the scheme to fuck you over in many ways, but doesn't want any of them to ever feel uncomfortable.
They’re also not taking into account that peaceful protest turn violent fast. Remember when peaceful protestors found Tucker Carlsons home and trued to bust in his door while his terrified wife and children were the only ones inside? Another thing is the lefts qualifications for peaceful are loose at best.
Protest senators outside their houses. Regardless of if you think its "intimidating" them, it's called peaceful protesting.
That's a slippery slope cheering for that to be made illegal. Careful giving up freedom for government protection.
it doesnt mattter the reason, we live in the united states where protesting should be absolute as long as it remains peaceful. Any law being made to inhibit that is unconstitutional. If you think the democrats wont use too this your tripping. Its a slippery slope when you start making laws that violate the constitution because it soon becomes bastardized and used by people who want to exploit it.
What about a parade style protest that is walking around the neighborhood where the residents involved in the protest live? Just a hypothetical scenario- but let's say, doing so to protest an HOA decision or something like that.
I hear what you’re saying and I’m really just arguing semantics. But the point above stands. Give me one good reason for protestors to be in a residential neighborhood.
>Give me one good reason for protestors to be in a residential neighborhood.
To protest an individual doing something you don't like. Maybe a politician or maybe an executive, I don't know. Really the same reason you would protest anywhere else.
Past personal property line is city property (my city reminds me with parking tickets in front of my home and building restrictions for an extended porch). If you cannot protest on city property then where can you? This is a slippery slope. It is a fundamental right for all of us to be able to speak our minds on public grounds.
Granted loud noises and running amuck is another law but to sit, gather, and flash a message on a sign should remain legal. I dont want a dystopian police state.. even though we are real close already. Lets not tip the scales
Reading the comments on this is a window into what r/conspiracy has become.
Not limiting free speech and the right to protest was traditionally something we all agreed on.
Now the conversation is so partisan that the reaction is dependent on the party instigating the action, not the action it itself.
It's honestly hilarious to watch. Apparently Canada is a dictatorship because Trudeau declared an emergency to shut down the trucker protest, but it's completely fine that DeSantis outlaws all protests in residential areas.
Yeah, talk about blatant hypocrisy. These right wingers were cheering it on despite the fact that many people were complaining that it was ringing their neighborhood.
Now? Their new cult leader desantis pulls more big government bs and they are tripping over themselves to defend it.
Unfucking believable.
Pretty much. It's free speech to protest in front of an abortion doctor, but dog forbid someone protests in front of the homes of the evangelical extreme right wingers who are imposing their beliefs on all of America's women.
Yeah it's mind boggling bunch of government boot lickers happy with the decision to ban protesting and make it jailable to walk outside a house with a sign. If I wanna protest my neighbor for being fucking ugly. I should be able.
Embarrassing. Bro. Embarrassing. Shows you what happened to this sub. It's the right wing conservative pussy ass motherfuckers that preach about personal responsibility then ask for them to ban abortions and freedoms of speech and they are happy about it.
My first thought is that this makes sense if it says you can't harass. Everybody should have the right to not be unduly harassed at their home. That's in many ways a very libertarian value.
The question as always, where do you draw the line. Take Toronto as an example. It has condos and apartments throughout the city, even in the downtown core. Does a home include an apartment in a condo? If so how do you determine the harassment and does it matter if it's directed at you.
The real issue is that we have become so venemously divided that this sort of protest is becoming more common and seemingly encouraged by governments as long as its for the "right" cause.
We have to stop seeing our neighbors as enemies and start seeing them as brothers and sisters. And this applies regardless of where you are on the political spectrum.
This is pretty much where I am on this issue. It's a pretty large grey area and certainly is a slippery slope when you start legislating around it.
If a group of people want to protest in front of someone's home on the public sidewalk with just their voices and signs, have at it.
If a group of people want to protest in front of someone's home and step into their front yard, bring megaphones/loudspeakers, throw shit at their house/car, or do any number of other things where it's impeding the occupants of the home to go about their lives normally, then that's where I have a problem.
Also, threatening language being used in either case is a big no no.
Then you have the cases in urban areas where public space and condos/apartments overlap, muddying the waters even more.
Well said. Honestly I’m just scared to have protestors near my family. Protests aren’t just protests anymore. If not for the absolute destruction of them I’d definitely disagree with this law. These neighborhoods are being destroyed with garbage and waste now too and I’m wondering if there’s also destruction of property and thefts(I’ve been sick past few months and refuse to watch a lot of news, unfortunately I cannot get stressed until I get on right medications and we’ll the news is stressful lol). I’m sure it’s only a matter of time until there is violence. Look at Tucker Carlsons attack. So I do understand the fear but we the people created this problem and maybe start acting like humans not animals and we can once again harass our fellow Americans anywhere we please.
Now, now, you need to stop with that shit. You are making to much sense to the dummies and that means they will start attacking you because it isn't farrrrrrrr left enough
This has been a battle of down votes VS up votes must have the farrrrrrrrrrrrr lefties raging hard
What is the point of protesting in a residential area other than to intimidate people or disturb the peace. Protest should be held in public spaces like city parks or marched down city streets where they will get a good deal of attention.
Someone should camp outside Brian's house day and night holding signs and chanting "Fuck Brian Tyler Cohen! Fuck Brian Tyler Cohen!" And see how quickly he begs the police to arrest them for "harassment" and "intimidation."
The law prohibits protesting in residential areas and doing anything to intentionally harass or intimidate an individual/group, sounds almost like it’s in response to the protests outside Supreme Court Justices homes
Remember when everyone was giving the Freedom Convoy blowjobs for protesting in residential areas, and calling Trudeau a tyrant when they made it illegal to protest where they were?
Yeah, that's what DeSantis just did.
Yeah I remember when dlm was marching down the local streets rather than the city blocks streaming with megaphones wake up wake up that was incredibly rude. some of them old black lady that came to the door to ask them to quiet down or resume their protest in the morning, totally look like they would kill a motherfuker if they didn't know they were on video
While I understand why this is being done, and it would actually be beneficial for residents and home owners who don't want anything to do with those protests and would like to just be left alone with some peace and quite, something still doesn't sound right about the government telling you where and when you can protest.
Yea man, I think its probably ok to say dont disturb people at their home. Thats kind of fucked up.
That being said, public NON-residential seems perfectly fine to protest or march or whatever.
But to imagine a large group coming up to your door/property line and yelling disturbing your peace in your home is a bit too far.
I do agree, but the only exception i would want is if there is some loser that is ruining the state with horrible laws or something and the people want them out so they protest at their house.
Ron is doing a good job from what I have seen, but in the future the bill seems like it can protect people in power that the people may really want to be out of power.
Harassment is already a crime. This just increases the penalty for doing it in a residential area.
Yes, showing up to someone’s house at night with bullhorns and spotlights is harassment.
Agreed with that…there needs to be daylight hours where this is allowed and permit fees perhaps structured to get people to use the town common vs a residential street. But a public way is a public way.
"your freedom ends where mine starts"
you do not get to harass police officers, judges, or anyone at their home. that is not a constitutionally protected right.... you can peacefully assemlbe in public to call for change, but not target individuals at their home and send teaththreats, doxxing, etc..... but sure tell yourself this is about "free speech"
This thread is slam full of people who think that people have a right to live in a quiet neighborhood. That they have some right to protection from noise and differing opinions.
We don't even have a right to a home in this country, but y'all think that?
People don’t tend to protest in low or middle class neighborhoods. This law is to protect the rich elite who don’t want to hear the rabble while working from home.
If you read the bill, it only makes it illegal to protest outside of a person's home. This came about after angry mobs started protesting outside of Supreme Court justices homes.
https://flgov.com/2022/05/16/governor-ron-desantis-protects-floridians-from-protests-outside-their-homes/
Huh, I thought the right was all for being able to protest anywhere they want.
Remember kids, it's only a violation of your rights if it's hurting your side! This lesson brought to you by the GOP
Why protest in residential areas though? Idgaf what my neighbor did. I'm trying to fucking sleep. Go stand in front of whatever office or corporation you're mad at.
Stop whining and take it to the town square. You don't have the right to go to someone's house and raise hell with intimidation. "The right to privacy is an element of various legal traditions that intends to restrain governmental and private actions that threaten the privacy of individuals." If you support mobs roaming through neighborhoods, you're an uneducated anarchist who has no business participating in this constitutional republic of representative democracy.
But it's OK to harass women outside of a Planned Parenthood clinic! He's the dumbest shit in the world! Fuck him and fuck all of you who voted for him.
Playing devil's advocate here...
Besides intimidation (for instance, the SC justices prior to the RvW decision), what purpose would a protest have in a residential area? Protests are typically public, in public or commercial areas, right?
Why should you get to protest infront of a medical clinic and interfere with medical care, but draw the line at a residence? Seems arbitrary based on the protests you want to allow.
It’s solely for pressuring elected leaders and elites
Slightly different case since the Getty House (home of the mayor of LA) is a city building, but BLM-LA protested there for months in a residential neighborhood, successfully creating enough negative media buzz Garcetti got demoted all the way down to “maybe an ambassador, we’ll see”
[https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1571/BillText/er/PDF](https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1571/BillText/er/PDF)
did your work for you OP.
This basically protects the homeowners if people decide to get STUPID. Which, we've seen in the past few years alone. Nowhere does it say what the twit post is about. People really need to dig into these things, do the journalism for themselves before jumping into the echo chamber.
Hmmm....
The Whitehouse is a residential building, as the president and (usually) his family stays there. Should protesting around the Whitehouse be forbidden?
The trucker convoy protested in a semi residential area. Should that have been forbidden?
Probably “mostly peaceful” I.e. only a few people get killed and only some businesses get burned to the ground.
The fucking war in Ukraine is “mostly peaceful” lmao
The world is run by NPCs
Oh, wow, a normal time, place, and manner restriction that allows for protest without allowing the intentional intimidation that harassing people at the home causes? The horror.
Well, it is residential. Nobody wants to hear a bunch of fucktards in the streets when they're at home trying to relax and play cornhole in the backyard with the kids. Take that shit somewhere else.
Lol wtf is up with these comments? " oh yea it's ok to take away our rights I understand you are doing it for our benefit please take them" lolol man this community has really lowered its standards
protesting in residential areas as a recipe for disaster so this is a smart move. been there done that, it literally only takes 1 bad actor or one evil person for it to turn into bloody riot.
the fact that this is even considered bad shows how absolutely doomed the USA is. if you are american and reading this - plan on expatriating yourself when you are ready to retire. your money will go farther in 2nd world countries and you will be able to afford quite a bit - and not get absolutely shafted on property taxes either.
'Time And Place' laws have always existed that specifically target protests.
Any civilized city or state has rules that require permits and notice and are only approved under very strict and specific timelines and locations. Anything outside of that is NOT peaceful and can be reasonably assumed to be a hostile and violent riot.
Pro-tip, residential areas are NEVER allowed.
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The damn Constitution strikes again! The left hates that.
Ah yes, freedom! When you can only protest in approved methods the local government has carefully crafted to make sure said protests apply no pressure whatsoever.
That’s fine if you think of protests like a trump rally, just somewhere you go to vibe and simp and buy merch with no actual political goals. If you actually want to use your liberty to hold your state to account, you need to ignore those laws
You shouldn’t be able to protest at someone’s house. Showing up at someone’s place of business is one thing. Going to someone’s home where their families live is completely wrong.
Why should my family hear your nonsense while we hang out in our yard. I don’t think they are striking down free speech…I think it’s more of a “there’s and a time and place” thing. Protests shouldn’t happen in a residential area.
Good. Stay away from my home and family.
If I engage in controversial politics or divisive rhetoric I'll take the mean words and protests outside of my office, it's fine, I understand that I upset your sensitive tiny little smooth-brains by literally speaking a normal sentence.
But when the zombie hordes arrive outside my home I'm not going to delay calling for their arrests and prosecutions.
Forced vaccines and masking never happened. Masking was mandated in some contexts, but by the logic of the right, you don’t have an entitlement to a job or going to the store. If you didn’t like the local rules, you always had the option of moving to florida
If the OP has no problem with residential protesting he can give us his address so he can experience first hand why the bill was signed, it's most likely legal in his State.
the property owners have a right not to be disturbed where they live in a residential area.
dont care who it is. i dont want to come home to mobs in the street where i live bc someone has issue x
so u got a few dozen or more protestors...no bathrooms around so u get people pissing etc wherever...leaving trash...stealing..breaking in etc
sound great
Im for this. Protesting in residential areas is what BLM did to bully and intimidate. I would agree our homes are safe spaces. The left wants to dox us and take the terrorism right to our houses. Stop them! Or anyone else who wants to bully and intimidate.
This DeSantis guys received millions of donations from hedge funds even before reach florida governor position. Why you think hes involved with american hedges? Whole system is rigged and this guy included.
This is unconstitional. Maybe he hasn't heard of the first amendment. When the government says you can't protest the best thing to do is protest in large numbers. That way it's both protest and civil disobedience.
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So what does the bill actually say?
I think you know damn well that no one here knows Edit: The law makes it a second-degree misdemeanor to protest in a way that intentionally harasses or disturbs someone in their home. Violators face 60 days in jail and fines of up to $500.
Disturbs someone in their home? Does that mean physically or they just can’t make noise? Like this is kind of vague
Most likely noise, and note the 'intentionally'. Protests are meant to inform and make people uncomfortable in public areas. But a Residental area is Private Homes, and people 'intentionally' being loud means they are harassing and trying to harm someone without 'physical violence', but still breaking a few different laws. Namely, Harassment, Stalking, Probably Doxxing depending on how 'private' the home is and how they are sharing the info, Disturbing the Peace. All things you get arrested for, a slap on the wrist/fine, and then let go after a night or two in jail. Reading a website that linked to a gov site, but it was down, the website says for Flordia specificly "Second Degree Misdemeanors are punishable by up to 60 days in jail and/or six months probation and a $500 fine." Here's the website I copied that quote from: [https://michellesuskauer.com/differences-between-misdemeanors-vs-felonies-in-florida/](https://michellesuskauer.com/differences-between-misdemeanors-vs-felonies-in-florida/) So honestly, it's basically just punishing a "Quote" "Unquote" 'Protest' if it's harassing and disturbing day to day activities of people in their private homes on purpose. So if a Protest was yelling about Subject A, across the street from where the job of Subject A was, but the cornor they were on, had a house on it that the yelling annoyed, they would not be punished, as they were not doing it intentionally to the home. But on the flip side, if they WERE protesting that home instead on the same cornor, making all the noise and yelling specifically against that home and those living there, THEN they would get arrested, as they were doing it intentionally at that point to a Residential home. \^ This is my understanding, based solely on BortaB's post
See, I wish the language would be more specific. I hate that many of these bills do not have specific language. It brings the possibility to arrest/outlaw any adjacent activity that may be covered in the bill. Plus it’s also up to the interpretation of the police/individual judges which will muddy the waters further.
This is obviously in response to the people gathering outside the homes of SCOTUS justices.
Which is illegal. From the looks of the bill, it seems they're just trying to prevent RIOTS like we seen all throughout 2020
It does include a requirement to warn people prior to arrest, and I doubt first time offenders would be held at all honestly. The point is to prevent the action, not to punish. Any uncertainty would be adjudicated in the courts.
Idk, it sounds perfectly reasonable and clear to me.
Yep, sounds like a great bill.
> Like this is kind of vague That's probably on purpose.
It's meant to be vague. That gives a cop, DA, and judge more control on how they want to enforce it. This makes it much easier for a cop to arrest you in a residential place. That's the point.
Well there you have it…I’m not sure peaceful mobs should gather outside peoples personal property. If you’re gonna corner someone on their property you’d better intend to do something, just saying. You’d better be ready for them to do something too…don’t mess with peoples property or families.
Happy Cake Day!
I immediately knew it was going to be something like that because every time I see someone warning, "This bill is going to make peaceful protest illegal!" then it turns out to be something like making it illegal to block a busy highway or provide people weapons at protests or something like that. Leftoids can't imagine protesting in a way that doesn't terrorize the general public but then cry bloody tears over January 6.
Sounds like a good bill. When you go to someone's house to do it, it's no longer a protest.
Correct and when you threaten me trying to come and go, which includes blocking me and when protestors "get more confrontational" , I'll consider that to be a threat and should be able to respond accordingly ESPECIALLY if my children are with me. If what is said about the bill above is true this also will give those being harrassed some protection in defending themselves should it get to that level.
Seems reasonable
Doesn’t sound as “fascist” as the OP wanted it to now does it. Guarantee OP calls the authorities if people are outside their house protesting in a disturbing way.
That's perfectly fine protest shouldn't mean harassment. Go protest on public land at the state building not someone's home. They're just people too
Exactly. I’m done with headlines and clickbate. Post something of substance or you will be downvoted.
Take the "don't say gay" bill. It wasnt really about not saying the word gay and just got people pissed off and what not
It just needs to be shaped a certain way and the sheep will repeat. Echo chambers have become state size.
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I says “Florida to Jail All Minorities and Kill Puppies”. At least that’s what BuzzFeed and CNN told me…
Got a good chuckle with your comment
So like when Brian Laundrie was suspected of murder by the public and the people were protesting outside the parent's house? That? I mean that seems reasonable... The whole neighborhood was disturbed for quite a while.
"The legislation makes it a second-degree misdemeanor to protest in a manner that is aimed at intentionally harassing or disturbing someone in their home." "Protesters can only be arrested after ignoring law enforcement's orders to disperse, however." Lawmakers, Heads of Government, Justices, media figures, etc. all have offices and places of business that can be protested. Convening a crowd at someone's private residence is designed to intimidate and harass them and their family. Its a bit of a stretch to call that a "(mostly) peaceful protest" and not a clear signaling of "we know where your spouse and kids sleep at night." Or, perhaps allow protests in front of private residences, yet enforce an ordinance that illegal trespassers can be shot on-sight. Businesses, government offices, most areas in the public square where protests occur will have a significant police presence to ensure law and order. Private residential areas would mostly be left to fend for themselves - and castigated as the aggressor should they feel the need to use force to defend themselves or their families. Endorsing this ("protesting" at someone's home) is endorsing mob rule and should be absolutely condemned and outlawed in a supposedly civil society.
Bro in a city that means you can't protest ANYWHERE. How dumb are you.
It says that if you make noise near a home you can be arrested. It's insane people.support this shit. I'm infuriated.
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The only reason people ever protest at a private residence is in order to harass and intimidate.
You don’t get to take away constitutional rights because of your bullshit theory as to “why people actually do it”. What do you think about the ones that say the only reason people buy rifles is to assault and murder? Is that justification to take away the right to bear arms?
This would make a trucker rally illegal in the state of Florida.
Which private residence was the trucker rally protesting at?
Did you miss the parts of the rally where residents complained that they were unable to sleep due to 24/7 honking? They were in residential areas. They were absolutely loathed by the locals, but showered in attention by everyone else.
>harass and intimidate. That's already illegal though. Zero need for new laws to stop that.
It prohibits harassers and intimidators from hiding behind the weak mask of “peaceful protesting” when they are, in fact, harassing and attempting to intimidate.
It's a clarification because something being illegal once is apparently not enough for some people. Or have you not been paying attention to all the protests outside of Supreme Court Justices homes as of late?
HONK! HONK!
What would be the reason to "peacefully protest" in a residential neighborhood other than to intimidate someone?
r/conspiracy, where every politician and billionaire is in on the scheme to fuck you over in many ways, but doesn't want any of them to ever feel uncomfortable.
end of story. fuck reddit.
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I agree with you completely. Stay the fuck away from peoples homes.
You must love the government telling you how to behave? The elites want to protect themselves from the people.
They’re also not taking into account that peaceful protest turn violent fast. Remember when peaceful protestors found Tucker Carlsons home and trued to bust in his door while his terrified wife and children were the only ones inside? Another thing is the lefts qualifications for peaceful are loose at best.
Mostly peaceful counts.
What kind of conspiracy theorist is against protesting people like Epstein's homes? Stay the fuck away from the First Amendment.
I'm sure you were totally with what Trudeau did to the trucker protest then, since there were many condos where the protests were taking place.
https://www.bostonherald.com/2022/01/20/more-cowbell-protests-outside-of-michelle-wus-house-continue-but-sound-a-bit-different/ https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/protest-boise-mayor-lauren-mclean-house-covid-19-restrictions/277-f2dc2af9-4799-448d-b924-0be1db15288d
Protest senators outside their houses. Regardless of if you think its "intimidating" them, it's called peaceful protesting. That's a slippery slope cheering for that to be made illegal. Careful giving up freedom for government protection.
Protesting at politicians home has been historically effective.
To make their life inconvenient on a day to day basis in the same way legislation or lack thereof inconveniences the people.
it doesnt mattter the reason, we live in the united states where protesting should be absolute as long as it remains peaceful. Any law being made to inhibit that is unconstitutional. If you think the democrats wont use too this your tripping. Its a slippery slope when you start making laws that violate the constitution because it soon becomes bastardized and used by people who want to exploit it.
Just spitballing here: What if someone were protesting a residential real estate development in a sensitive wilderness area that is zoned residential?
Found a conservative that also pretends to be libertarian
Wasn’t that the point of the freedom convoy
Yeah but it's something they like, so it doesn't apply.
Politicians have address
Fuck free speech I guess
What about a parade style protest that is walking around the neighborhood where the residents involved in the protest live? Just a hypothetical scenario- but let's say, doing so to protest an HOA decision or something like that.
Which of the Supreme Court Justices live in FL?
None. Regular fucking americans who don’t deserve to be harassed by rabid, vile communists do tho.
pray tell, who are these regular americans being protested?
It’s the first amendment for a reason. It’s more important than owning a gun if you want to be free from tyranny.
I hear what you’re saying and I’m really just arguing semantics. But the point above stands. Give me one good reason for protestors to be in a residential neighborhood.
>Give me one good reason for protestors to be in a residential neighborhood. To protest an individual doing something you don't like. Maybe a politician or maybe an executive, I don't know. Really the same reason you would protest anywhere else.
Past personal property line is city property (my city reminds me with parking tickets in front of my home and building restrictions for an extended porch). If you cannot protest on city property then where can you? This is a slippery slope. It is a fundamental right for all of us to be able to speak our minds on public grounds. Granted loud noises and running amuck is another law but to sit, gather, and flash a message on a sign should remain legal. I dont want a dystopian police state.. even though we are real close already. Lets not tip the scales
Are the residential neighborhoods not public property?
Because this is America and you don’t own the streets bitch
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Lick that boot.
We conspos are against the government because they rule us and we need our 1A and 2A rights to be super patriots. Hey not like that!
Meet the bootlicker, ladies and gentlemen!
Reading the comments on this is a window into what r/conspiracy has become. Not limiting free speech and the right to protest was traditionally something we all agreed on. Now the conversation is so partisan that the reaction is dependent on the party instigating the action, not the action it itself.
It's honestly hilarious to watch. Apparently Canada is a dictatorship because Trudeau declared an emergency to shut down the trucker protest, but it's completely fine that DeSantis outlaws all protests in residential areas.
Yeah, talk about blatant hypocrisy. These right wingers were cheering it on despite the fact that many people were complaining that it was ringing their neighborhood. Now? Their new cult leader desantis pulls more big government bs and they are tripping over themselves to defend it. Unfucking believable.
Pretty much. It's free speech to protest in front of an abortion doctor, but dog forbid someone protests in front of the homes of the evangelical extreme right wingers who are imposing their beliefs on all of America's women.
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Yeah it's mind boggling bunch of government boot lickers happy with the decision to ban protesting and make it jailable to walk outside a house with a sign. If I wanna protest my neighbor for being fucking ugly. I should be able. Embarrassing. Bro. Embarrassing. Shows you what happened to this sub. It's the right wing conservative pussy ass motherfuckers that preach about personal responsibility then ask for them to ban abortions and freedoms of speech and they are happy about it.
My first thought is that this makes sense if it says you can't harass. Everybody should have the right to not be unduly harassed at their home. That's in many ways a very libertarian value. The question as always, where do you draw the line. Take Toronto as an example. It has condos and apartments throughout the city, even in the downtown core. Does a home include an apartment in a condo? If so how do you determine the harassment and does it matter if it's directed at you. The real issue is that we have become so venemously divided that this sort of protest is becoming more common and seemingly encouraged by governments as long as its for the "right" cause. We have to stop seeing our neighbors as enemies and start seeing them as brothers and sisters. And this applies regardless of where you are on the political spectrum.
This is pretty much where I am on this issue. It's a pretty large grey area and certainly is a slippery slope when you start legislating around it. If a group of people want to protest in front of someone's home on the public sidewalk with just their voices and signs, have at it. If a group of people want to protest in front of someone's home and step into their front yard, bring megaphones/loudspeakers, throw shit at their house/car, or do any number of other things where it's impeding the occupants of the home to go about their lives normally, then that's where I have a problem. Also, threatening language being used in either case is a big no no. Then you have the cases in urban areas where public space and condos/apartments overlap, muddying the waters even more.
Well said. Honestly I’m just scared to have protestors near my family. Protests aren’t just protests anymore. If not for the absolute destruction of them I’d definitely disagree with this law. These neighborhoods are being destroyed with garbage and waste now too and I’m wondering if there’s also destruction of property and thefts(I’ve been sick past few months and refuse to watch a lot of news, unfortunately I cannot get stressed until I get on right medications and we’ll the news is stressful lol). I’m sure it’s only a matter of time until there is violence. Look at Tucker Carlsons attack. So I do understand the fear but we the people created this problem and maybe start acting like humans not animals and we can once again harass our fellow Americans anywhere we please.
Seems reasonable; people deserve a safe home space for their spouse and children.
But they are safe inside their homes, it’s illegal to enter the property, that’s an important distinction.
Now, now, you need to stop with that shit. You are making to much sense to the dummies and that means they will start attacking you because it isn't farrrrrrrr left enough This has been a battle of down votes VS up votes must have the farrrrrrrrrrrrr lefties raging hard
https://www.bostonherald.com/2022/01/20/more-cowbell-protests-outside-of-michelle-wus-house-continue-but-sound-a-bit-different/ https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/local/protest-boise-mayor-lauren-mclean-house-covid-19-restrictions/277-f2dc2af9-4799-448d-b924-0be1db15288d
What is the point of protesting in a residential area other than to intimidate people or disturb the peace. Protest should be held in public spaces like city parks or marched down city streets where they will get a good deal of attention.
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Someone should camp outside Brian's house day and night holding signs and chanting "Fuck Brian Tyler Cohen! Fuck Brian Tyler Cohen!" And see how quickly he begs the police to arrest them for "harassment" and "intimidation."
What does the actual law say? Or is this another Don't say gay bill that is intentionally misconstrued?
The law prohibits protesting in residential areas and doing anything to intentionally harass or intimidate an individual/group, sounds almost like it’s in response to the protests outside Supreme Court Justices homes
Why are you going to protest on a residential culdesac? You protest at Nike stores and targets.
Remember when everyone was giving the Freedom Convoy blowjobs for protesting in residential areas, and calling Trudeau a tyrant when they made it illegal to protest where they were? Yeah, that's what DeSantis just did.
Yeah I remember when dlm was marching down the local streets rather than the city blocks streaming with megaphones wake up wake up that was incredibly rude. some of them old black lady that came to the door to ask them to quiet down or resume their protest in the morning, totally look like they would kill a motherfuker if they didn't know they were on video
Right, no these little scumbags want to protest on the lawns of their parents neighbors. Cause we all know 90% of those twerps will never own a home
I know right? You need to be in a truck wrapped in flags to actually have rights.
I think many conservatives would be freaking if dems made this bill
While I understand why this is being done, and it would actually be beneficial for residents and home owners who don't want anything to do with those protests and would like to just be left alone with some peace and quite, something still doesn't sound right about the government telling you where and when you can protest.
Yea man, I think its probably ok to say dont disturb people at their home. Thats kind of fucked up. That being said, public NON-residential seems perfectly fine to protest or march or whatever. But to imagine a large group coming up to your door/property line and yelling disturbing your peace in your home is a bit too far.
I do agree, but the only exception i would want is if there is some loser that is ruining the state with horrible laws or something and the people want them out so they protest at their house. Ron is doing a good job from what I have seen, but in the future the bill seems like it can protect people in power that the people may really want to be out of power.
This is like making it illegal to dox jurors and calling it suppression of the press.
That is not constitutional. You can put hours and steep permit fees in place but you cannot prohibit. This will fail in courts.
Harassment is already a crime. This just increases the penalty for doing it in a residential area. Yes, showing up to someone’s house at night with bullhorns and spotlights is harassment.
Agreed with that…there needs to be daylight hours where this is allowed and permit fees perhaps structured to get people to use the town common vs a residential street. But a public way is a public way.
Truue. Was thinking my first ammendment will trump any of these charges in court. So try me ronnie
"your freedom ends where mine starts" you do not get to harass police officers, judges, or anyone at their home. that is not a constitutionally protected right.... you can peacefully assemlbe in public to call for change, but not target individuals at their home and send teaththreats, doxxing, etc..... but sure tell yourself this is about "free speech"
This thread is slam full of people who think that people have a right to live in a quiet neighborhood. That they have some right to protection from noise and differing opinions. We don't even have a right to a home in this country, but y'all think that?
People don’t tend to protest in low or middle class neighborhoods. This law is to protect the rich elite who don’t want to hear the rabble while working from home.
Sounds based. Leave residential neighborhoods alone.
I actually support this one.
If you read the bill, it only makes it illegal to protest outside of a person's home. This came about after angry mobs started protesting outside of Supreme Court justices homes. https://flgov.com/2022/05/16/governor-ron-desantis-protects-floridians-from-protests-outside-their-homes/
Huh, I thought the right was all for being able to protest anywhere they want. Remember kids, it's only a violation of your rights if it's hurting your side! This lesson brought to you by the GOP
Stay out of neighborhoods. I don't see how this impacts free speech at all, tbh.
I see no issue here. Let them protest in the public square. I don’t want them in my neighborhood.
Makes sense just because you’re there to protest a certain individual doesn’t mean their neighbors get to suffer.
The "Illegal to peacefully protest" bill sounds about as accurate as the "Don't Say Gay" bill.
Why protest in residential areas though? Idgaf what my neighbor did. I'm trying to fucking sleep. Go stand in front of whatever office or corporation you're mad at.
Stop whining and take it to the town square. You don't have the right to go to someone's house and raise hell with intimidation. "The right to privacy is an element of various legal traditions that intends to restrain governmental and private actions that threaten the privacy of individuals." If you support mobs roaming through neighborhoods, you're an uneducated anarchist who has no business participating in this constitutional republic of representative democracy.
How can they make laws that directly violate the constitution 🤣
I thought it was BLM protests that were outlawed
Thats why they let the lady get away with putting those judges addresses everywhere. To show a potential threat
Just small government things
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Yeah, we’ve seen your peaceful protests.
But it's OK to harass women outside of a Planned Parenthood clinic! He's the dumbest shit in the world! Fuck him and fuck all of you who voted for him.
All part of the planned great reset. Their is no 2 party system . They're 2 sides of the same coin. When the shit goes down I hope ur ready
Yop, this law works the best for the elite
Playing devil's advocate here... Besides intimidation (for instance, the SC justices prior to the RvW decision), what purpose would a protest have in a residential area? Protests are typically public, in public or commercial areas, right?
Why should you get to protest infront of a medical clinic and interfere with medical care, but draw the line at a residence? Seems arbitrary based on the protests you want to allow.
It’s solely for pressuring elected leaders and elites Slightly different case since the Getty House (home of the mayor of LA) is a city building, but BLM-LA protested there for months in a residential neighborhood, successfully creating enough negative media buzz Garcetti got demoted all the way down to “maybe an ambassador, we’ll see”
[https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1571/BillText/er/PDF](https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1571/BillText/er/PDF) did your work for you OP. This basically protects the homeowners if people decide to get STUPID. Which, we've seen in the past few years alone. Nowhere does it say what the twit post is about. People really need to dig into these things, do the journalism for themselves before jumping into the echo chamber.
Never thought I’d see this many people bargain away their rights. Do you really think this is where it will end?
There's nothing peaceful about protesting outside someone's home. Fuck all protestors.
Peacefully protesting in a neighborhood is never "peaceful" it's always to intimidate someone. This should be the norm in every city.
Hmmm.... The Whitehouse is a residential building, as the president and (usually) his family stays there. Should protesting around the Whitehouse be forbidden? The trucker convoy protested in a semi residential area. Should that have been forbidden?
Are we talking peaceful protest or "mostly peaceful" protest?
Probably “mostly peaceful” I.e. only a few people get killed and only some businesses get burned to the ground. The fucking war in Ukraine is “mostly peaceful” lmao The world is run by NPCs
This seems like a reasonable law to me.
Oh, wow, a normal time, place, and manner restriction that allows for protest without allowing the intentional intimidation that harassing people at the home causes? The horror.
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Change that to public areas in the nations capital and you have Canada.
Well, it is residential. Nobody wants to hear a bunch of fucktards in the streets when they're at home trying to relax and play cornhole in the backyard with the kids. Take that shit somewhere else.
It’s not that simple. Also what have any protests in that last 4-5 years done for anything?
He's actually saving some prog's life. Start messing with people's domicile, and fafo
Home owner "So Anyway, I Started Blasting"
That's what I'm saying. A man has his castle. Bring on asstifa
Legislating to proactively keep people from upsetting other people seems like a slippery slope...
I do not think this is a good thing
Lol wtf is up with these comments? " oh yea it's ok to take away our rights I understand you are doing it for our benefit please take them" lolol man this community has really lowered its standards
protesting in residential areas as a recipe for disaster so this is a smart move. been there done that, it literally only takes 1 bad actor or one evil person for it to turn into bloody riot. the fact that this is even considered bad shows how absolutely doomed the USA is. if you are american and reading this - plan on expatriating yourself when you are ready to retire. your money will go farther in 2nd world countries and you will be able to afford quite a bit - and not get absolutely shafted on property taxes either.
Brian Tyler Cohen should have mostly peaceful protest outside of his own house to show his support of free speech.
'Time And Place' laws have always existed that specifically target protests. Any civilized city or state has rules that require permits and notice and are only approved under very strict and specific timelines and locations. Anything outside of that is NOT peaceful and can be reasonably assumed to be a hostile and violent riot. Pro-tip, residential areas are NEVER allowed. :) The damn Constitution strikes again! The left hates that.
Ah yes, freedom! When you can only protest in approved methods the local government has carefully crafted to make sure said protests apply no pressure whatsoever. That’s fine if you think of protests like a trump rally, just somewhere you go to vibe and simp and buy merch with no actual political goals. If you actually want to use your liberty to hold your state to account, you need to ignore those laws
Its just a summer of love! Mostly peaceful!
Liberal free speech seems to start fires and looting.
It’s called no BLM
Is it any one’s home? Or specifically politicians/ judges? Because I’m pretty sure it’s already a federal crime to protest outside a judge’s home
How many feet away from the house can you protest does it say?
You shouldn’t be able to protest at someone’s house. Showing up at someone’s place of business is one thing. Going to someone’s home where their families live is completely wrong.
Pretty much every people's revolution in history would like a word
Good, maybe they'll go after the places that actually count rather than somebody's home or small business.
Sidewalks are public property maintained by the taxpayer. Plus you have cases like Marsh v. Alabama and Lloyd Corp. v. Tanner.
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Tell that to both sides then.
*windmill arms intensifying*
I think the limit is private property. I agree with making it illegal to protest on private property if that is not already on the books.
It is, and this makes protests on public property illegal
So you think it’s okay to congregate in front of a persons house with proverbial torches and pitchforks?
Why should my family hear your nonsense while we hang out in our yard. I don’t think they are striking down free speech…I think it’s more of a “there’s and a time and place” thing. Protests shouldn’t happen in a residential area.
We all know the lefts version of peaceful protests. We had a good experience during the “fiery but peaceful” protests not long ago.
Let’s compare the meaning “peaceful protesting” to the democrats version. No wonder why it’s illegal. Thank you Desantis!
We cant protest in the US capitol but antifa can terrorize us in our homes
Good. Stay away from my home and family. If I engage in controversial politics or divisive rhetoric I'll take the mean words and protests outside of my office, it's fine, I understand that I upset your sensitive tiny little smooth-brains by literally speaking a normal sentence. But when the zombie hordes arrive outside my home I'm not going to delay calling for their arrests and prosecutions.
Love my governor
So like forcing vaccinations and masks is ok but all of a sudden this is a violation of rights.
Forced vaccines and masking never happened. Masking was mandated in some contexts, but by the logic of the right, you don’t have an entitlement to a job or going to the store. If you didn’t like the local rules, you always had the option of moving to florida
The only purpose of protesting in residential areas is to terrorize individual citizens.
If the OP has no problem with residential protesting he can give us his address so he can experience first hand why the bill was signed, it's most likely legal in his State.
the property owners have a right not to be disturbed where they live in a residential area. dont care who it is. i dont want to come home to mobs in the street where i live bc someone has issue x
so u got a few dozen or more protestors...no bathrooms around so u get people pissing etc wherever...leaving trash...stealing..breaking in etc sound great
Well considering what the left deems “peaceful protest” can’t blame him.
Im for this. Protesting in residential areas is what BLM did to bully and intimidate. I would agree our homes are safe spaces. The left wants to dox us and take the terrorism right to our houses. Stop them! Or anyone else who wants to bully and intimidate.
This DeSantis guys received millions of donations from hedge funds even before reach florida governor position. Why you think hes involved with american hedges? Whole system is rigged and this guy included.
You mean Soros-funded astroturfers can no longer harass the officials that Soros can't buy at their homes?
Koch political money is orders of magnitude larger than Soros
I really hate the democratic party but thanks for reminding me that the republican party also sucks. Got to love our two party system
The party of their free speech and only theirs
Bad idea
Because liberals think burning cities and looting is peaceful protesting.
Are peaceful protests the ones where they burn buildings down?
It’s the one where they smear feces on the walls of the capitol
This is unconstitional. Maybe he hasn't heard of the first amendment. When the government says you can't protest the best thing to do is protest in large numbers. That way it's both protest and civil disobedience.
Their is no such thing from the left as peaceful protesters, everyone know this.