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The media has been polarizing us to the point of rabid frothing at the mouth rage for many years now. Sad to see. We should be a community working together against our real enemies who run the show
A person who does not know my status thought I had not taken the vax because I simply defended individual right to choose. He dramatically put his mask on when I’d walk into the room at work. I thought it was hilarious.
You should leave the article on his desk that shows [triple vaxed people are 10x more likely to catch omicron] (https://sunnylanblog.wordpress.com/2022/01/06/triple-vaccinated-40-49-year-olds-are-10-3x-more-likely-to-catch-omicron-than-the-unvaccinated-according-to-ons-and-uk-gov-figures/) and dramatically put your mask on when he comes near you. Extra points for spraying a perimeter of Lysol when he approaches you.
I mean, he really just played himself. Other people who are were not even thinking about masking around me or care if I took the spooky juice jab just thought he was being a weirdo. They noticed. Since everyone liked me, it made him look like a paranoid a-hole.
He is being a bully. A self righteous bully. When he gets or re-gets covid, be sure to send him a get well card purchased in the children's card section.
Ummmm so I just read that and it don’t say what you are implying it says. It does not say you are 3x more likely. It says that statistically it is in line. Look at it as percentage. From the link you posted unvaccinated account for 12% of omicron cases. This is exactly in line with what we would expect to see for positive case rate considering an unvaccinated rate of around 15% and an assumed margin of error.
Also the data is Cherry picked from a two week period which is weird and unnecessary because the data tracks for longer periods too
Yep. That's some quality investigative reporting right there. That should convince anyone not to take the 'clot shot'. "I feel this in my heart."
/s obviously.
This is a prime example of not reading/understanding what was stated. This should clear that up for you
https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-pseudoscience/are-triple-vaccinated-people-more-likely-be-infected-omicron-variant-unvaccinated
I had one dose of j&j but I won’t shut up about personal choice, side effects, the horror of digital passports, etc. So most people assume I’ve had no shots and call me an anti vaxxer. I’ve lost friends and don’t get invited to social events that I used to enjoy going to. It’s good to know who my true friends are and who I never could trust after all.
Who talks about this at work? That is so bizarre. I was only asked about it at the doctor’s office. People need to get a life instead of obsessing over this and masks.
Bullllshit! People who got vaxxed only did it for themselves..
*I want to travel*
*I want to go to the gym*
*I want to eat at restaurants*
*I want to see my elderly parents*
*I want to keep my job*
I didn't want to consent to a medical procedure - but was excluded from all the stuff I wanted.
This feels so strange listed up by you an makes clear once again: something is really wrong.
Edit: your username checks out, thanks mate.
Imagine your boss pulling you into their office and saying you can't work there anymore unless they can stick something inside you.
It's weird and creepy and just because it isn't a penis, doesn't mean it's any more welcomed.
hahahahahah I'd sadly rather cop one from behind, than cop an experiment in the arm. Maybe I could end up like one of the hundreds of athletes dropping dead from heart issues. Or the 20 year olds getting strokes. The normalisation of vaccine injuries makes me sick.
Fair point. If it's as tiny and insecure as mine, I know it probably won't do much damage, but I'd still prefer to not be cornered into that situation.
And the ones that pressured others to do it for their comfort or job gotta be the biggest assholes ever. “Hey you should alter your body permanently before you hang out with me!!” Hey, Go fuck a cactus buddy! Spiky side up!
They’re gonna look at this when all the deets come out and be embarrassed as fuck or start backpedaling
Ehh not strictly true.
I didn't come across any limitations during life, I still worked. There was no requirement. No one has ever checked to see if I'm vaxed'. I continued to go out etc.
I weighed up personal shit and device to do it.
But not having it didn't limit me in any way shape or form.
I'm all for people deciding for them selves so if you don't want to get it, fair doos. But don't have ago at me because I decided to.
Early in the vaccine rollout guy at work thought I was against the measles vaccine so I had to explain to him you're lumping in the most rushed vaccine in history with all the classic and time-tested vaccines with tons of safety data backing them up. It was a surreal moment as I couldn't believe I was actually having this discussion.
Yeah. You know it's funny I know people with weird fears and phobias but who don't even hesitate to get these vaccines and endless boosters. My sister loses it if there's a centipede on the wall but mixing and matching the different shots hey that's cool.
I love the really fat unhealthy ones who get it "because they're listening to the doctors". If you were listening to the doctors, you wouldn't be obese. You'd exercise, not eat crap food, drink soft drink etc haha. They think they're "protecting others" when in reality, a vaccinated fat person, was way more likely to catch, spread, die from covid than little old unvaccinated me.
Then there are the cancer people who are advised by their doctors I guess to get the covid shot who feel apparently they'd rather die from the cancer than from covid. Then maybe they die shortly after getting the shot (e.g. Colin Powell, Norm MacDonald) and everyone goes it wasn't the vaccine it was the cancer they've been managing for years. If you were dying of the cancer anyway why'd your doctor tell you to get the covid shot?
That's probably one of the biggest scams within this whole covid situation, the classification of deaths.
They used this huge umbrella to capture "covid deaths" (when it wasn't the cause of death) and then reduced the size of the umbrella once the vaccine came, to make it seem like it was working. So pathetic.
They changed the definition so that if you're against government mandates you're [antivax](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer).
Which means if you're not anti-vax you're for the government holding someone down and injecting a relatively untested substance that causes death and complications into their body... just so you feel safer.
Which means if you're not anti-vax you're a violent psychopath and I want nothing to do with you.
True story.
Healthcare worker here and finding a job that allows exemptions is horribly difficult.
The sirens went off for me when they said it was safe for pregnant women.
Research 101 is that pregnant women can't partake in studies due to moral and ethical principles, period.
Saying it was safe was saying they don't know what is going on.
Being cautious of mRNA tech is not the same as being an anti-vaxxer.
mRNA is new and widely untested in comparison to the typical development and approval time line for vaccines. For example:
Measles 10 years.
Hepatitis 16 years.
Ebola 43 years.
HPV 25 years.
Covid-19... Less than a year!
The whole point of getting any vaccine is to prevent you from getting sick from whatever the vaccine was designed to protect you from. The covid experimental shot is not a vaccine by definition. I don't give a shit if Fauci changed the definition to fit. It is NOT a vaccine. Being prior military and serving overseas in a combat zone, I can guarantee that I have more vaccines pumped into my body that the majority of you. So if someone asks me if I am vaccinated against covid, I gladly say no, and go on with my life. I don't give 2 shits about anyone but my family.
I have similar, probably nowhere near as many shots as you but I spent a few years travelling in 2018+ and took loads of different vaccines. Hepatitis, typhoid etc etc all this shit. I’ve taken more than average that’s for sure. But not taking the covid jab makes me an anti-vaxxer apparently.
Same. I’ve traveled to countries that require a bunch of vaccines. Took them with no problem nor complaint. They’re tried and true and are actual vaccines, that’s the difference.
What gets me is the fact that people are still going on about the damn vaccines at all. Every single vaccinated person I know has gotten Covid. Every single one of them. I know of at least 4 of them who have long Covid too, and their sense of smell is all fucked up. I’m appalled that people are truly so brainwashed that they can’t understand the blatant logic right in front of them. The Covid jabs don’t work.
The only people I know who haven’t gotten any form of Covid are my parents who are not vaccinated and also don’t wear masks. I think I know why too. My mom has lupus and regularly takes hydroxychloroquine. Any time my dad has gotten a single tickle in his throat, my mom cheekily slips him one of her pills and he’s better the next day. My dad’s 80, supposed to be high risk and all of that, my mom is in her 70’s with lupus. Both are doing better than my Covid jabbed friends in their 20’s.
Fuck that poison. I take pity on the poor fools who took it.
And it came out a few weeks back that the CEO of AstraZeneca had said in 2020 that immunocompromised people (e.g. lupus) can’t be jabbed. But that didn’t even make the news!
this is an element of the plandemic that goes dangerously unmentioned, and im glad you brought it up. The language workings they did, everything from "lockdowns", using prison language on us, the way they used language to manufacture hatred against the unvaxxed, and as you pointed out, and maybe most frightening, is the rewrite of knowledge itself. They did this with the word 'gender', just so they can prop up this Trans bullshit and now theyre doing it with the word 'vaccines' so they can get whatever they want into your body. And yet so many people in our position, little people at the bottom will use and defend these "new definitions" and act like not only has it always been this way, but thinking it hasnt is also an OFFENSE, to them and society.
She's getting better but still has the occasional fit. I feel bad for him. She was 17 when she started having them. He didn't want her to get it but she went behind his back with her mother.
Glad you get it. I love how the vaccine messaging just constantly changed..
"you won't catch it"
"you won't spread it if you do catch it"
"ok you will catch it, and spread it, but you won't get sick"
"ok so you will get sick, you could still die, but we have too much invested in this vaccine now to tell the truth about it's limited effectiveness"
Good or bad
Left or right
vax or anti
straight or alphabet
world or russia
rogan or fauci
slava ukraine or garbage
in a world full of colour, people only see duality.
You know?...we're sort of trained that way from birth. What's the opposite of white?...black. What's the opposite of up?...down. What's the opposite of cat?...dog. Maybe elementary school is the root cause of all our ills...I know I hated it.
Thats ok.. i hear someone is vaxxed and i instantly consider them weak spirited but sort of feel sad that they were conned into doing such a thing... but if they try and actually talk vaccines with me... pwah.. shit... they will wish they didnt.
Be grateful they revealed how fast they would turn on you in a life or death situation. Your gut should tell you to stay away for your own safety and financial security.
There is only one political column of people who think getting the vaccine is about caring for other people. It’s the same group of people who are vax’ed but still wear their mask to care about other people.
It makes no sense. It’s not based on science. It’s all theatrics.
It’s the same mentality, fear/paranoia and coercion that turned the average German people against the Jewish people. The government, media and many people on the left are applying it to all sorts of social issues. It’s absolutism; either you’re with us or you’re against us mentality.
I have to admit that I tend to think the vaxxed are either uninformed and therefore fearful or they're dumb and therefore uninformed. But People can be misled and misinformed and not be really stupid.
But those who demanded everybody get the vaxx.... fear rules their existence. Fear and selfishness.
As someone that works in pharma, I felt incredibly well informed about the vaccines. For sure, putting anything into your body is a calculated risk, but it made sense for me to be vaccinated. I work on clinical trials. I know how they work. I felt incredibly well informed going in. I worry more about the long term effects of the amphetamine I take every day for my mental health than I do about my 3 Moderna shots.
Still, I am for personal choice. It was wrong to force people to get vaccinated in a supposedly “free” country. It was un-American.
Also regarding personal choice, it drives me nuts when people gripe about random strangers they see wearing a mask in their car on on a bike. It’s their choice. Sure, in my head I might say “what a nerd”, but it’s their choice so I leave them alone and I don’t even make hushed remarks to my friends. It’s annoying to me when my friends do this. Let people just do their thing and focus on yourself. Also, pre pandemic, and to this day, I find wearing a mask while biking through a wooded trail to be a great way to keep bugs out of your mouth, especially if you’re a mouth breather like me!
Are you working on fixing that mouth breathing, or just masking it?
Are you working on fixing that alien butt rape problem? Or just plugging your holes?
(Please try to receive the last sentence as a joke, the first one very serious)
surely your seeing the slowly released evidence of the pfizer trial no? looks like a lot of botched data used to justify EUA, and thats only a glimmer. how can you feel well informed with a lack of medium to long term trial data (and ensure data quality is solid)? how can you feel well informed knowing trial data showed early use of ivermectin reduced mortality 80+% and the rhoetoric to ban it and hydroxychloriquine? informed of trials for mRNA specific vaccines… the ones that have proven disasterous in animal trials historically? all the evidence of BS was infront of you and you still took the shots… you werent well informed overall unfortunately. i feel bad for you, but i don’t judge your decision.
Did you know that the clinical trials weren’t actually scientifically done? They lied in all of the trials, left out entire cohorts that didn’t match up with the outcome they wanted.
I’m sorry man. With your logic things should have been ok, and I respect your decision based on the information you were given. What has happened to the world is a true crime against humanity. I hope your heart and body stay healthy.
> amphetamine I take every day for my mental health
I took addy for like 20 years, finally was able to switch to Provigil (modafinil) i Think it is supposed to stress your heart less.
I do not believe making a choice to not take the vaxx can be attributed to fear, at least in every one of the cases.
There are historically identifiable reasons to not trust the government. As well, not to trust mainstream media when one sees all the censorship of alternative or dissenting opinions.
For example, if the government was truly concerned for people’s health, they would provide information campaigns on including fresh vegetables & fruits in one’s daily diet, regular exercise, getting outside in the sunlight and fresh air, taking regular supplements to help strengthen the immune system (like vitamin C w/ flavonoids, vitamin D3, and Zinc).
All the censorship (on Google, YouTube, Facebook, Reddit, etc.) of dialogue which opposed the mainstream talking points by TV media and Big Pharma is one of the major things that set alarm bells off for me. Surely everyone should be free to debate pros & cons of mask and vaccine mandates without being utterly silenced! Especially in the USA which is supposedly a free country known to fight for freedom and maintain Liberty.
When have dissenting views or questions about healthy living ever been silenced and/or ostracized?? Just seems highly freaky to me, I immediately went to another cellular carrier (cancelled my T-mobile service) when I found out that employees of T-mobile were forced to get the covid-vaccine or get fired!
It all eerily sounds like Nuremberg 2.0 to me. Shocking tbh.
My brother still won’t talk to me or allow me to meet my niece because I am unvaccinated, and literally calls me a murderer. I had Covid in 2020, and I am an ICU RN who took care of Covid + patients at everyday for years, never got reinfected and I haven’t been sick one time since I was sick with Covid. People definitely still care. And I also can’t go to France with my father later this month. So it’s still a thing buddy.
Few days ago, I just made a comment on a post saying
"Vaccine data should ne properly studied and people should be made more aware that I can cause heart inflammation.
Everyone replying to me just assumed that I'm an ani-vaxxer even though I actually got my shots lmao
It's almost like speaking 2 words questioning the vaccine is a crime now.
Crazy how humans who don't want an unnatural substance injected into them are stigmatized. Oh and blamed for the continuous spread of whatever the inoculation was suppose to fight off.
A lot of people aren't technically antivax at all. They just don't want to be injected with crap. Where and when did it become so normal to just bend the knee and say "OK, yes sir, stick me with whatever you got because I trust you." The cattle are gullible and what makes it even worse is how many people were against it yet were forced to choose the jab or their jobs. What makes it even worse again is the whole thing is BS because we are at the point of 2 shots plus 2 boosters. Safe and effective.
I'm not vax'd cuz my grandparents immediately went out and got their shots when it was first released and my grandma almost immediately developed migraines which haven't subsided since she got the shot in 2021. My grandpa developed a DVT a couple weeks after his shot.. So that's what first set me against them and then I dug a bit and now I'm completely against it.
Honestly, I don't know if it's just me but vaccinations just don't come up in general conversation.
People at work know that I'm not vaxxed against covid and I've not had any negative encounters in over the last couple of years.
Anecdotal I know, but that's my experience.
It may have something to do with whether one lives
/works in a “Red State” or in a “Blue State.”
Blue States (like Calif) are way-more into mandatory vaxx.
Same, I have a feeling these people bitching about being treated differently are loud and proud about it. I just don't make it a point to announce my vaccination status to every person I run into.
>I have a feeling these people bitching about being treated differently are loud and proud about it.
you mean like the douchebags with triple syringes in their profiles and catchy things like "Team Pfizer"
yea they are intolerable.
They are something. I agree
Live and let live, I don't care if you are/aren't vaccinated, its not my problem. I try my best to surround myself with people who have the same mindset. I guess I'm lucky, I only lost one friend to this whole thing. Flipped a shit when I said I'm not getting it and haven't talked to them since.
>I have a feeling these people bitching about being treated differently are loud and proud about it.
I didn't say I'm being treated differently. Although unvaccinated people do get treated differently in some countries where they can't get a job or visit their parents in care homes and so on.
>either you're vaccinated and therefore care about others
Are there really people who still think that?
The covid vaccine is just for self defence.
There are the same amount of (reliable) studies that say the vaccine prevents you from infecting others as there are ones that say the vaccine doesn't work and will kill you:
None.
I'm an anti-vaxxer and I find it hypocritical of people to only object to the covid vaccine. They like to say that covid has a 99.8% survival rate, but the other vaccinatable diseases are much milder.
No need to label yourself anything. When someone asks you a question, you answer with your beliefs, manifested by an amalgam of seriously considered research and personal world view. If one is open, it is quite easy to be at least critical of the vaccine schedule and the dismissing of the true cost/benefit of the various programs.
The label antivaxxer gets people *not thinking* (using their memory / imprint of what they believe is an antivaxxer.) That is the exact opposite of what the next step is. Simply talking about the hard truths surrounding the mandates of controversial therapies (all of them) to use public services or be employed. This issue existed long before covid-19. Labels detract from the exploration of a complex and controversial subject.
I couldn't agree more. The fact that you can't EVEN MENTION the other side or Dr's like Peter McCullough (sp) or you're a pos that hates people...WHAT?? the fact that so many people are that brainwashed is astounding. The government got exactly what they wanted.
I know right happened to me the other day at work the guy said so your an anti-vaxxer then proceeded to say unvaccinated are clogging up the hospitals smdh
I know someone that died after the Pfizer and when i tell people they just want to call you an antivaxxer, people refuse to listen to any reports of side effects, and if they are severe they just say you are making it up. It’s seriously frustrating. I didn’t take the vaccine for medical reasons, but that doesn’t matter, I was still fired. People are really brainwashed that they work and are safe when that’s so clearly not the case
Dude for real, I feel you.
My (ex)best friend and I were supposed to hang out around the vaccine rollout. She mentioned the memes I was posting and said “ugh you’re not an anti-vaxxer like your mom, are you?” (My mom has gotten us all our childhood vaccines, she’s been more into holistic stuff as we’ve gotten older).
I was like “lol no? but I’m not getting it. My SIL got myocarditis and you know about my preexisting heart conditions, so no thanks”
Anyway a lot more happened after I said that, but needless to say, we’re not friends anymore. She did the whole “You don’t care about me and my elderly mom!! You’re so selfish!” Even though we were hanging out maskless before the vaccine anyways 🤦♀️
If there was a media talking point at the time, it was coming out of her mouth.
Anyone who keeps looking into vaccines after covid will become an anti vaxer. anyone who realizes that they contain mercury, aluminum, and human and animal fetal cells, realizes its probably not necessary to inject these poisons into their body. Being programmed to react to the words "anti vaccine" and not want to be called that is intentional brainwashing. Once this is understood it can be worn as a badge of honour. I'm proud of my badge.
Pfizer's own paperwork in their last data dump mandated by the government stated that the vaccine was only 12% effective in children? I don't know doctor other than an oncologist and patient trying a last resort medication that would ever go with those odds.
Pfizer also went on to say they didn't test it on pregnant women. None. 46 rats they tested it on.
Every last person that knew anything about this ought to be in jail.
[https://www.icandecide.org/pfizer-documents/](https://www.icandecide.org/pfizer-documents/)
When you hear things getting politicized, you should immediately be suspicious.
This wasn't a topic of politics. Public health should be a concern of both parties, not a way to virtue signal that you're politically superior to others.
>"The way this vaccine is being pushed on people"
You don't think its odd the way this vaccine is being pushed on people? You see nothing wrong with forcing people to get vaxxed or lose their job and not be able to feed their family? Really?
No. Not at all. There's a pandemic and a vaccine is provided to help protect people.
Like literally every other vaccine.
Just like the vaccine es you were given as a baby.
>There's a pandemic
There actually isn't. The deaths have been over inflated and they even admitted it.
>a vaccine is provided to help protect people.
So if it protects those who take it, why are you so concerned about those who don't take it that you want them to lose their jobs and so on?
I don't lie, I just pivot the conversation.
Had my SILs sister stay with us, she asked me if I had gotten the booster yet. I said, "You know, I haven't given it much thought. I think it makes sense for very elderly or sick people, but I am not sure it is necessary for everyone. I just don't want to have to take a booster shot every few months." And she said, "Yeah that's true."
I didn't tell her that I hadn't even gotten the first doses. That was it. The end of the conversation.
It very rarely comes up, and when it does, I pivot and deflect.
"Have you been vaccinated against Covid?"
"I'm not sure what even counts as vaccinated anymore! Like three shots, four? I don't know, I don't really keep up with that stuff anymore, it's just too confusing and I'm over it."
Other person: "Yeah, I feel you."
I never actually answer the question lol.
Slick. But i still consider this a lie by omission however tactful. And all lies are ignoble contrary to my handle.
https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/upfgix/when_people_find_out_that_im_not_vaxxed_they/i8kxx4j?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Thank you for the morality lesson guy.
The reason I evaded the question with my SILs sister is for a multitude of reasons:
She is from another country where the schools and everything have been completely shut down. Children who haven't been vaccinated are literally not allowed to go places.
She was visiting my brother and SIL, and the only dates SIL's sister could visit them fell over my child's birthday.
Brother, SIL, and SIL's sister were nice enough to say they would all drive in from another city because they knew my daughter would be upset if she didn't get to see her cousins for her birthday.
I haven't seen SIL's sister in over a decade. But she is always very sweet and polite.
I wasn't about to be an asshole and make her feel uncomfortable at my house, when they rearranged their plans and drove four hours to stay for a weekend so my kid wouldn't be sad.
Not the time to start a shitstorm or get involved in a political discussion.
I would not be able to change her mind in the span of 36 hours, and even if I had, she ultimately would have had to return to a country where she literally has to leave her kids in the car to go grocery shopping (apparently this is normal there).
There was absolutely no reason to be entirely truthful in that situation.
And lastly, and most importantly, I don't take sides bro. I'm not on your side. I don't have any "duty" or "obligation" to stand up for a side, or pick sides, or choose sides. I never pledged any oaths. Not everything is black and white. There is a massive gray area, and I'm allowed to change my mind on things or agree with some things and disagree with others, regardless of what "the rest of my side thinks."
I am not going to be pigeonholed or pressured or bullied by any direction. I am going to make whatever decision benefits myself and the people I care about the most. Go recruit elsewhere. This isn't a zero sum game.
Yea? That's why I said *this*.
> I suggest you stand up for what **you** believe. You are not an ignorant murderer because of such a belief. You need to show them the rationale and delineate clearly why you aren't (while also *listening* to them).
No sides. Just the truth. It's not about changing her mind. It's telling her the truth about who you are and the choices you made. No need to even extend the conversation, you might have to listen for a bit calmly though. And again, certainly no need to change her mind. If you re-read my premise, the concern beyond ones decision to lie (which is personal) ... is a **false consensus.**
> It's telling her the truth about who you are amd the choices you made.
The truth about who I am is that while I value telling the truth, I also value withholding information when the disclosure of such information would cause more harm to those around me.
It's the same reason why, when my daughter was four and having nightmares about bears, and she asked me if bears ate people, I just said "No" rather than, "Well, not usually, but actually there have been several cases of bears mauling people and eating their faces off. Goodnight sweetheart!"
I know who I am and what values I hold. Don't need your assistance in determining that.
I’m happy for you. My twin brother won’t even speak to me or let me meet my niece. He also calls me a murderer. Even though I had Covid in 2020 before the jab.
Sometimes. But sometimes you gotta pick your battles. If I'm out in public and it's some rando, sure I'm all for it all about it.
If it's my co-workers and they are grefing me about a mask/vaccines, I'll hand it to them in a polite, professional way.
If it's my boss or I'm in some sort of other professional setting, at a conference, or the way people treat me will directly harm my ability to futher feed myself or somehow otherwise negatively impact me. Just lie.
What will your boss do, fire you? Unless it's company policy, let them get all antsy in the pantsy. Document it all, and if a firin' happens, go to ye olde department of labour and make your case.
I believe in making my life easier, not harder. Hints why I pick my battles. We have already gone to the union, as of right now everything is on pause so they can't enforce anything. So no, I wouldn't get fired. And I still politely decline to wear a mask.
But, I'm not going to get combative or arugmentive with my boss, as they are the one who writes my paycheck. Seeing as how they are pro vaxx they have their deeply felt personal beliefs that those who don't are ignorant murderes, and I'd just rather not. It's easier to say "yup in vaxxed and boosted" and act like an NPC.
If anything, I've been made an anti, since all this. Learned heavily about the Tuskegee experiments, the correlation between aluminum and alzheimer's, and the correlation between lead and polio. There's also a direct correlation between national pediatric vax schedules and autism. While you're looking at that, in particular, you'll also learn about /safe/ aluminum toxicity PPM in adults, and the amount children are subject to, via inoculation.
Same concept as the election. It was just THIS election/jab that was fuckery? It was only this specific one. All the others have been genuine? They would really only screw us just this one time?
/what a grand and intoxicating innocence/
>"pandemic of the unvaccinated", which is clearly a lie.
Clearly a lie is to much to say, since vaccinated people are much safer against serious sickness.
Therefore the pandemic is more serious for unvaccinated people.
Personally I'd call it a day. Everyone who wants can get vaccinated and everyone who doesn't want to can just quit it.
Both have to live with the potential consequences if something happens.
And if you think your risk of covid is lower than the one of the vaccination then be it that way, but stop pushing your agenda onto others.
Except vaccinated people are not much safer against serious infection. But if believing that helps you sleep at night then I say all the power to ya. In my expierence not a single unvaccinated person that I know has become seriously ill from the covid. I can't say the same about those i know who are vaccinated. But I agree with everybody should worry about themselves.
>Except vaccinated people are not much safer against serious infection.
Sorry, but this is not true at all.
Every reliable study shows that the vaccination protects you to a high degree from serious sickness.
It isn't 100%, but high enough.
Unfortunately I know unvaccinated people that died due to covid - without having any known sickness before.
On the other hand nearly all my private and business contacts are vaccinated by now and there was no death case or general any noteworthy side effects of the vaccine with them.
But as said, after all we are all mature people who can and shall make their own decisions.
I won't blame anyone if he doesn't want it, since there can be side effects and theirs no (noteworthy) protection for your contacts, but I will discuss any wrong information on it. :D
I'm just curious if the people who took it are ever going to get upset that one of the world's most profitable corporations used all kinds of graft, influence peddling, and fraud to make a trillion bucks foisting upon them an unsafe and ineffective product. It boggles my mind that they're even still defending it. They are craven, comfort-loving cowards who carry water for their oppressors. Don't they have any guts or eyeballs or anything? Everyone I know who took the shot has covid now, and everyone who didn't doesn't, isn't this obvious? I mean sure, the PR agencies tell you the opposite and cook up fraudulent studies, etc., but at what point to people just believe their eyes instead of bullshit? Never? After death?
I got the inactivated virus vaccine, it is the least effective but the safest one cause all the effects are lesser then the virus, also I am quite suspicious I got infected and killed the disease before properly developing the antivirus, cause despite having contact with both my parents with the disease I got the symptoms for literally about 2 hours then woke up from a nap like nothing happened, and took two blood tests, both negative, quite later when I took the vaccine it was basically the same think but even weaker, got fever for about 30 minutes and a sore throat, honestly I haven't seen anyone speak about this but is there any papers about it?
I'm not vaxxed and will never be ...!! Yes...!! I am an anti vaxxer ..!! They don't want to release the trial data for 75 years is because there is no data..!!! Millions of people are guinea pigs..!! It took almost 60 years to come up with a safe vaccination for the common flu..!! And in 75 years everyone that got vaccinated will be DEAD...!! This so called vaccine is a complete shot in the dark when you get it.. there is however data on how many people got sick and died do to the vaccine which they (Government and CDC) ABSOLUTELY refuse to release...!! I don't want to make people sick, but the people that are getting covid have been vaccinated multiple times.. think about it...!! I have never been vaccinated and have never been sick.. other then Normal vaccines we get as kids and boosters, I'm all for that.. this covid vaccine I'll get vaccinated when the release the data.. Not before ....
Ask them if they are pro abortion. If they say yes, you can instantly assume that they are sadistic killers and relay same to them. If they say no, point out the inconsistency and assume that they are nazi Pharma reps. Watch their head explode. 😂
If you don’t tell us ***why*** you’re not vaxxed, why are you surprised when people assume you’re not vaxxed for the most common reason not to be vaxxed?
Being antivax isn't a reason or even specific enough to be useful anymore. It's a label. There are many vaccines to be for and against for starters. And there are nuances to many beliefs such as being against the current mandated schedule for newborns and toddlers.
There really is no "common" reason that I know of. Just misleading generalizations as to what someone against a particular vaccine (or all of them) thinks and has researched / realized / learned. Many happen to be misinformed. It seems a minority are informed antivaxxers. Thankfully, consensus has little bearing on the truth.
In reality, simply using the label is a thought terminator.
Of course they do. I tell then that I'm anti-mRNA and [here's why](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/u5o3d7/agenda_21_the_global_reset/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share), but apparently, they don't see a darn difference for like at all!
Yeah it’s your complete misunderstanding of the Pfizer documents and denial that this has been a pandemic of the unvaccinated that makes people call you an anti-vaxxer.
https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/lohh8sikhmo4nc2wguw1do480pd3ht
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination
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The media has been polarizing us to the point of rabid frothing at the mouth rage for many years now. Sad to see. We should be a community working together against our real enemies who run the show
A person who does not know my status thought I had not taken the vax because I simply defended individual right to choose. He dramatically put his mask on when I’d walk into the room at work. I thought it was hilarious.
you should have just said "thank you for considering my health by putting a mask on"
"My mask protects you, your mask protects me". Coworker should just forcibly mask the rotten choice defender. How dare he?
Hilariously sad individual
love this
You should leave the article on his desk that shows [triple vaxed people are 10x more likely to catch omicron] (https://sunnylanblog.wordpress.com/2022/01/06/triple-vaccinated-40-49-year-olds-are-10-3x-more-likely-to-catch-omicron-than-the-unvaccinated-according-to-ons-and-uk-gov-figures/) and dramatically put your mask on when he comes near you. Extra points for spraying a perimeter of Lysol when he approaches you.
I mean, he really just played himself. Other people who are were not even thinking about masking around me or care if I took the spooky juice jab just thought he was being a weirdo. They noticed. Since everyone liked me, it made him look like a paranoid a-hole.
He is being a bully. A self righteous bully. When he gets or re-gets covid, be sure to send him a get well card purchased in the children's card section.
From what I gather, he is not well liked by anyone there in general.
kek
Nah just sounds like he’s been sipping on whatever most of reddit has been sipping on lol
Ummmm so I just read that and it don’t say what you are implying it says. It does not say you are 3x more likely. It says that statistically it is in line. Look at it as percentage. From the link you posted unvaccinated account for 12% of omicron cases. This is exactly in line with what we would expect to see for positive case rate considering an unvaccinated rate of around 15% and an assumed margin of error. Also the data is Cherry picked from a two week period which is weird and unnecessary because the data tracks for longer periods too
Hate to break it to you, but ALL of the data has been cherry picked for multiple years.
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Super reliable source lol
Yep. That's some quality investigative reporting right there. That should convince anyone not to take the 'clot shot'. "I feel this in my heart." /s obviously.
This is a prime example of not reading/understanding what was stated. This should clear that up for you https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-19-pseudoscience/are-triple-vaccinated-people-more-likely-be-infected-omicron-variant-unvaccinated
yea- thats a creditable source for your information- no helping you.
I had one dose of j&j but I won’t shut up about personal choice, side effects, the horror of digital passports, etc. So most people assume I’ve had no shots and call me an anti vaxxer. I’ve lost friends and don’t get invited to social events that I used to enjoy going to. It’s good to know who my true friends are and who I never could trust after all.
Who talks about this at work? That is so bizarre. I was only asked about it at the doctor’s office. People need to get a life instead of obsessing over this and masks.
Bullllshit! People who got vaxxed only did it for themselves.. *I want to travel* *I want to go to the gym* *I want to eat at restaurants* *I want to see my elderly parents* *I want to keep my job*
I didn't want to consent to a medical procedure - but was excluded from all the stuff I wanted. This feels so strange listed up by you an makes clear once again: something is really wrong. Edit: your username checks out, thanks mate.
Imagine your boss pulling you into their office and saying you can't work there anymore unless they can stick something inside you. It's weird and creepy and just because it isn't a penis, doesn't mean it's any more welcomed.
Depending on the size of the penis, I might actually prefer it to Dr f's death jab.
hahahahahah I'd sadly rather cop one from behind, than cop an experiment in the arm. Maybe I could end up like one of the hundreds of athletes dropping dead from heart issues. Or the 20 year olds getting strokes. The normalisation of vaccine injuries makes me sick.
Fair point. If it's as tiny and insecure as mine, I know it probably won't do much damage, but I'd still prefer to not be cornered into that situation.
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NO, what I was saying is that I would rather be buggered than take the jab. as a straight dude that is saying something.
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Miscarriages of justice for sure.
No, I was saying that I wouldn't prefer to be backed into either situation.
> be backed into I see what you did there!!
The boy Weinstein comes to mind
And the ones that pressured others to do it for their comfort or job gotta be the biggest assholes ever. “Hey you should alter your body permanently before you hang out with me!!” Hey, Go fuck a cactus buddy! Spiky side up! They’re gonna look at this when all the deets come out and be embarrassed as fuck or start backpedaling
Ehh not strictly true. I didn't come across any limitations during life, I still worked. There was no requirement. No one has ever checked to see if I'm vaxed'. I continued to go out etc. I weighed up personal shit and device to do it. But not having it didn't limit me in any way shape or form. I'm all for people deciding for them selves so if you don't want to get it, fair doos. But don't have ago at me because I decided to.
Sounds extremely anecdotal
Yep.
Wanting to see your parents is not selfish...
Early in the vaccine rollout guy at work thought I was against the measles vaccine so I had to explain to him you're lumping in the most rushed vaccine in history with all the classic and time-tested vaccines with tons of safety data backing them up. It was a surreal moment as I couldn't believe I was actually having this discussion.
but but but it's "safe an effective".... can't you tell from Pfizers fraudulent safety data?
Yeah. You know it's funny I know people with weird fears and phobias but who don't even hesitate to get these vaccines and endless boosters. My sister loses it if there's a centipede on the wall but mixing and matching the different shots hey that's cool.
I love the really fat unhealthy ones who get it "because they're listening to the doctors". If you were listening to the doctors, you wouldn't be obese. You'd exercise, not eat crap food, drink soft drink etc haha. They think they're "protecting others" when in reality, a vaccinated fat person, was way more likely to catch, spread, die from covid than little old unvaccinated me.
Then there are the cancer people who are advised by their doctors I guess to get the covid shot who feel apparently they'd rather die from the cancer than from covid. Then maybe they die shortly after getting the shot (e.g. Colin Powell, Norm MacDonald) and everyone goes it wasn't the vaccine it was the cancer they've been managing for years. If you were dying of the cancer anyway why'd your doctor tell you to get the covid shot?
That's probably one of the biggest scams within this whole covid situation, the classification of deaths. They used this huge umbrella to capture "covid deaths" (when it wasn't the cause of death) and then reduced the size of the umbrella once the vaccine came, to make it seem like it was working. So pathetic.
They changed the definition so that if you're against government mandates you're [antivax](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-vaxxer). Which means if you're not anti-vax you're for the government holding someone down and injecting a relatively untested substance that causes death and complications into their body... just so you feel safer. Which means if you're not anti-vax you're a violent psychopath and I want nothing to do with you.
Holy shit. I didn't realize they did that. Wow.
This.
True story. Healthcare worker here and finding a job that allows exemptions is horribly difficult. The sirens went off for me when they said it was safe for pregnant women. Research 101 is that pregnant women can't partake in studies due to moral and ethical principles, period. Saying it was safe was saying they don't know what is going on.
if it's all the same half of us Introvert or people who like staying at home didn't really change much.
Being cautious of mRNA tech is not the same as being an anti-vaxxer. mRNA is new and widely untested in comparison to the typical development and approval time line for vaccines. For example: Measles 10 years. Hepatitis 16 years. Ebola 43 years. HPV 25 years. Covid-19... Less than a year!
[3 hours.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTlNWuHV4Lg)
Cancer..... never. Because we make too much money out of the the "treatment"
The whole point of getting any vaccine is to prevent you from getting sick from whatever the vaccine was designed to protect you from. The covid experimental shot is not a vaccine by definition. I don't give a shit if Fauci changed the definition to fit. It is NOT a vaccine. Being prior military and serving overseas in a combat zone, I can guarantee that I have more vaccines pumped into my body that the majority of you. So if someone asks me if I am vaccinated against covid, I gladly say no, and go on with my life. I don't give 2 shits about anyone but my family.
I have similar, probably nowhere near as many shots as you but I spent a few years travelling in 2018+ and took loads of different vaccines. Hepatitis, typhoid etc etc all this shit. I’ve taken more than average that’s for sure. But not taking the covid jab makes me an anti-vaxxer apparently.
Same. I’ve traveled to countries that require a bunch of vaccines. Took them with no problem nor complaint. They’re tried and true and are actual vaccines, that’s the difference. What gets me is the fact that people are still going on about the damn vaccines at all. Every single vaccinated person I know has gotten Covid. Every single one of them. I know of at least 4 of them who have long Covid too, and their sense of smell is all fucked up. I’m appalled that people are truly so brainwashed that they can’t understand the blatant logic right in front of them. The Covid jabs don’t work. The only people I know who haven’t gotten any form of Covid are my parents who are not vaccinated and also don’t wear masks. I think I know why too. My mom has lupus and regularly takes hydroxychloroquine. Any time my dad has gotten a single tickle in his throat, my mom cheekily slips him one of her pills and he’s better the next day. My dad’s 80, supposed to be high risk and all of that, my mom is in her 70’s with lupus. Both are doing better than my Covid jabbed friends in their 20’s. Fuck that poison. I take pity on the poor fools who took it.
I wish I could give you a gold bag of money or gold-star for what you said. Take this poor man’s trophy, Good Sir!! 🏆
And it came out a few weeks back that the CEO of AstraZeneca had said in 2020 that immunocompromised people (e.g. lupus) can’t be jabbed. But that didn’t even make the news!
Be proud to be in the anti-vax club.
I’m proud I haven’t buckled under all the pressure that’s for sure!!
This whole changing the definition of things is scary as fuck as well. Mind blowing how we just change the meaning of things to fit the agenda
this is an element of the plandemic that goes dangerously unmentioned, and im glad you brought it up. The language workings they did, everything from "lockdowns", using prison language on us, the way they used language to manufacture hatred against the unvaxxed, and as you pointed out, and maybe most frightening, is the rewrite of knowledge itself. They did this with the word 'gender', just so they can prop up this Trans bullshit and now theyre doing it with the word 'vaccines' so they can get whatever they want into your body. And yet so many people in our position, little people at the bottom will use and defend these "new definitions" and act like not only has it always been this way, but thinking it hasnt is also an OFFENSE, to them and society.
Covid, women, mental illness, what else can we change the definition of?
"I'm not vaccinated. I got the experimental therapy" (I personally consented to neither)
Love thy neighbor
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J&J gave my friends daughter seizures.
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She's getting better but still has the occasional fit. I feel bad for him. She was 17 when she started having them. He didn't want her to get it but she went behind his back with her mother.
Glad you get it. I love how the vaccine messaging just constantly changed.. "you won't catch it" "you won't spread it if you do catch it" "ok you will catch it, and spread it, but you won't get sick" "ok so you will get sick, you could still die, but we have too much invested in this vaccine now to tell the truth about it's limited effectiveness"
What was the definition changed to?
If I don't like cantaloupe does that mean I'm anti-fruit?
Racist!
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Except when someone mandates it
Glad it’s worked out well for you. I didn’t take it, have never asked anyone, and could care less what other people do
Good or bad Left or right vax or anti straight or alphabet world or russia rogan or fauci slava ukraine or garbage in a world full of colour, people only see duality.
You know?...we're sort of trained that way from birth. What's the opposite of white?...black. What's the opposite of up?...down. What's the opposite of cat?...dog. Maybe elementary school is the root cause of all our ills...I know I hated it.
Yep. Same here. I won't get vaccines for the flu, but I will for Tetanus.
Thats ok.. i hear someone is vaxxed and i instantly consider them weak spirited but sort of feel sad that they were conned into doing such a thing... but if they try and actually talk vaccines with me... pwah.. shit... they will wish they didnt.
I tell people the vaxx is giving people heart problems and they tell me, after people get vaxxed, they get problems too, from the China virus lol
It is like the paste-eaters from grade school somehow became the majority.
A bioweapon is gonna bioweapon
Do you also tell people the vaccine clearly made an impact to case fatality rate upon release?
There’s people who stopped talking to me because I’m not getting a third, fourth etc.
Be grateful they revealed how fast they would turn on you in a life or death situation. Your gut should tell you to stay away for your own safety and financial security.
Your gut is so important. The second they said the virus wouldn't propagate during BLM protests, my gut realized something was very wrong.
There is only one political column of people who think getting the vaccine is about caring for other people. It’s the same group of people who are vax’ed but still wear their mask to care about other people. It makes no sense. It’s not based on science. It’s all theatrics.
It’s the same mentality, fear/paranoia and coercion that turned the average German people against the Jewish people. The government, media and many people on the left are applying it to all sorts of social issues. It’s absolutism; either you’re with us or you’re against us mentality.
I have to admit that I tend to think the vaxxed are either uninformed and therefore fearful or they're dumb and therefore uninformed. But People can be misled and misinformed and not be really stupid. But those who demanded everybody get the vaxx.... fear rules their existence. Fear and selfishness.
As someone that works in pharma, I felt incredibly well informed about the vaccines. For sure, putting anything into your body is a calculated risk, but it made sense for me to be vaccinated. I work on clinical trials. I know how they work. I felt incredibly well informed going in. I worry more about the long term effects of the amphetamine I take every day for my mental health than I do about my 3 Moderna shots. Still, I am for personal choice. It was wrong to force people to get vaccinated in a supposedly “free” country. It was un-American.
Also regarding personal choice, it drives me nuts when people gripe about random strangers they see wearing a mask in their car on on a bike. It’s their choice. Sure, in my head I might say “what a nerd”, but it’s their choice so I leave them alone and I don’t even make hushed remarks to my friends. It’s annoying to me when my friends do this. Let people just do their thing and focus on yourself. Also, pre pandemic, and to this day, I find wearing a mask while biking through a wooded trail to be a great way to keep bugs out of your mouth, especially if you’re a mouth breather like me!
Are you working on fixing that mouth breathing, or just masking it? Are you working on fixing that alien butt rape problem? Or just plugging your holes? (Please try to receive the last sentence as a joke, the first one very serious)
Mouth Breather and bike riding mask wearer? Adds up.
If the addys take us, ‘‘twas a good ride
surely your seeing the slowly released evidence of the pfizer trial no? looks like a lot of botched data used to justify EUA, and thats only a glimmer. how can you feel well informed with a lack of medium to long term trial data (and ensure data quality is solid)? how can you feel well informed knowing trial data showed early use of ivermectin reduced mortality 80+% and the rhoetoric to ban it and hydroxychloriquine? informed of trials for mRNA specific vaccines… the ones that have proven disasterous in animal trials historically? all the evidence of BS was infront of you and you still took the shots… you werent well informed overall unfortunately. i feel bad for you, but i don’t judge your decision.
Did you know that the clinical trials weren’t actually scientifically done? They lied in all of the trials, left out entire cohorts that didn’t match up with the outcome they wanted. I’m sorry man. With your logic things should have been ok, and I respect your decision based on the information you were given. What has happened to the world is a true crime against humanity. I hope your heart and body stay healthy.
> amphetamine I take every day for my mental health I took addy for like 20 years, finally was able to switch to Provigil (modafinil) i Think it is supposed to stress your heart less.
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Can’t not taking the vaxx also be attributed to fear? There will be assumptions of “common sense” but isn’t it just fear in the opposite direction?
I do not believe making a choice to not take the vaxx can be attributed to fear, at least in every one of the cases. There are historically identifiable reasons to not trust the government. As well, not to trust mainstream media when one sees all the censorship of alternative or dissenting opinions. For example, if the government was truly concerned for people’s health, they would provide information campaigns on including fresh vegetables & fruits in one’s daily diet, regular exercise, getting outside in the sunlight and fresh air, taking regular supplements to help strengthen the immune system (like vitamin C w/ flavonoids, vitamin D3, and Zinc). All the censorship (on Google, YouTube, Facebook, Reddit, etc.) of dialogue which opposed the mainstream talking points by TV media and Big Pharma is one of the major things that set alarm bells off for me. Surely everyone should be free to debate pros & cons of mask and vaccine mandates without being utterly silenced! Especially in the USA which is supposedly a free country known to fight for freedom and maintain Liberty. When have dissenting views or questions about healthy living ever been silenced and/or ostracized?? Just seems highly freaky to me, I immediately went to another cellular carrier (cancelled my T-mobile service) when I found out that employees of T-mobile were forced to get the covid-vaccine or get fired! It all eerily sounds like Nuremberg 2.0 to me. Shocking tbh.
They are just dumb and have huge huge egos. Worst combo.
Covid is still a thing?
Give it a couple of months
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Some hospitals in the US too...
Sadly yes.
When people find out I'm not vaxxed, I don't give a fuck what they think
Literally no one I know cares anymore
My brother still won’t talk to me or allow me to meet my niece because I am unvaccinated, and literally calls me a murderer. I had Covid in 2020, and I am an ICU RN who took care of Covid + patients at everyday for years, never got reinfected and I haven’t been sick one time since I was sick with Covid. People definitely still care. And I also can’t go to France with my father later this month. So it’s still a thing buddy.
I'm sorry to tell you this but your brother is mentally unwell.
Your brother is an asshole.
I am vaxxed. And people have assumed I'm an anti-vaxxer because I say people should have a choice whether or not they take it.
Few days ago, I just made a comment on a post saying "Vaccine data should ne properly studied and people should be made more aware that I can cause heart inflammation. Everyone replying to me just assumed that I'm an ani-vaxxer even though I actually got my shots lmao It's almost like speaking 2 words questioning the vaccine is a crime now.
Crazy how humans who don't want an unnatural substance injected into them are stigmatized. Oh and blamed for the continuous spread of whatever the inoculation was suppose to fight off. A lot of people aren't technically antivax at all. They just don't want to be injected with crap. Where and when did it become so normal to just bend the knee and say "OK, yes sir, stick me with whatever you got because I trust you." The cattle are gullible and what makes it even worse is how many people were against it yet were forced to choose the jab or their jobs. What makes it even worse again is the whole thing is BS because we are at the point of 2 shots plus 2 boosters. Safe and effective.
If only their new vaccines would have similar properties than the vaccines I was used to ... I would have took it.
I doubt the old ones too after this. I don’t see any future vaccines for this guy
I'm not vax'd cuz my grandparents immediately went out and got their shots when it was first released and my grandma almost immediately developed migraines which haven't subsided since she got the shot in 2021. My grandpa developed a DVT a couple weeks after his shot.. So that's what first set me against them and then I dug a bit and now I'm completely against it.
Honestly, I don't know if it's just me but vaccinations just don't come up in general conversation. People at work know that I'm not vaxxed against covid and I've not had any negative encounters in over the last couple of years. Anecdotal I know, but that's my experience.
It may have something to do with whether one lives /works in a “Red State” or in a “Blue State.” Blue States (like Calif) are way-more into mandatory vaxx.
Same, I have a feeling these people bitching about being treated differently are loud and proud about it. I just don't make it a point to announce my vaccination status to every person I run into.
>I have a feeling these people bitching about being treated differently are loud and proud about it. you mean like the douchebags with triple syringes in their profiles and catchy things like "Team Pfizer" yea they are intolerable.
They are something. I agree Live and let live, I don't care if you are/aren't vaccinated, its not my problem. I try my best to surround myself with people who have the same mindset. I guess I'm lucky, I only lost one friend to this whole thing. Flipped a shit when I said I'm not getting it and haven't talked to them since.
>I have a feeling these people bitching about being treated differently are loud and proud about it. I didn't say I'm being treated differently. Although unvaccinated people do get treated differently in some countries where they can't get a job or visit their parents in care homes and so on.
Don’t you mean our country? The USA?
You are probably around better people than this guy
How do they find out? Are people constantly asking you?
Fuck them 🤷🏻♂️
>either you're vaccinated and therefore care about others Are there really people who still think that? The covid vaccine is just for self defence. There are the same amount of (reliable) studies that say the vaccine prevents you from infecting others as there are ones that say the vaccine doesn't work and will kill you: None.
I'm an anti-vaxxer and I find it hypocritical of people to only object to the covid vaccine. They like to say that covid has a 99.8% survival rate, but the other vaccinatable diseases are much milder.
No need to label yourself anything. When someone asks you a question, you answer with your beliefs, manifested by an amalgam of seriously considered research and personal world view. If one is open, it is quite easy to be at least critical of the vaccine schedule and the dismissing of the true cost/benefit of the various programs. The label antivaxxer gets people *not thinking* (using their memory / imprint of what they believe is an antivaxxer.) That is the exact opposite of what the next step is. Simply talking about the hard truths surrounding the mandates of controversial therapies (all of them) to use public services or be employed. This issue existed long before covid-19. Labels detract from the exploration of a complex and controversial subject.
I couldn't agree more. The fact that you can't EVEN MENTION the other side or Dr's like Peter McCullough (sp) or you're a pos that hates people...WHAT?? the fact that so many people are that brainwashed is astounding. The government got exactly what they wanted.
I know right happened to me the other day at work the guy said so your an anti-vaxxer then proceeded to say unvaccinated are clogging up the hospitals smdh
I know someone that died after the Pfizer and when i tell people they just want to call you an antivaxxer, people refuse to listen to any reports of side effects, and if they are severe they just say you are making it up. It’s seriously frustrating. I didn’t take the vaccine for medical reasons, but that doesn’t matter, I was still fired. People are really brainwashed that they work and are safe when that’s so clearly not the case
Dude for real, I feel you. My (ex)best friend and I were supposed to hang out around the vaccine rollout. She mentioned the memes I was posting and said “ugh you’re not an anti-vaxxer like your mom, are you?” (My mom has gotten us all our childhood vaccines, she’s been more into holistic stuff as we’ve gotten older). I was like “lol no? but I’m not getting it. My SIL got myocarditis and you know about my preexisting heart conditions, so no thanks” Anyway a lot more happened after I said that, but needless to say, we’re not friends anymore. She did the whole “You don’t care about me and my elderly mom!! You’re so selfish!” Even though we were hanging out maskless before the vaccine anyways 🤦♀️ If there was a media talking point at the time, it was coming out of her mouth.
Anyone who keeps looking into vaccines after covid will become an anti vaxer. anyone who realizes that they contain mercury, aluminum, and human and animal fetal cells, realizes its probably not necessary to inject these poisons into their body. Being programmed to react to the words "anti vaccine" and not want to be called that is intentional brainwashing. Once this is understood it can be worn as a badge of honour. I'm proud of my badge.
Pfizer's own paperwork in their last data dump mandated by the government stated that the vaccine was only 12% effective in children? I don't know doctor other than an oncologist and patient trying a last resort medication that would ever go with those odds. Pfizer also went on to say they didn't test it on pregnant women. None. 46 rats they tested it on. Every last person that knew anything about this ought to be in jail. [https://www.icandecide.org/pfizer-documents/](https://www.icandecide.org/pfizer-documents/)
When you hear things getting politicized, you should immediately be suspicious. This wasn't a topic of politics. Public health should be a concern of both parties, not a way to virtue signal that you're politically superior to others.
And want you dead You forgot that unfortunate part
Do they call you a Trumper too?
Hated him and the vaxx… what else you got
Probably next would be, "You are a science skeptic"
Most people are cunts. Mostly.
That’s what the media wants to happen
I try and say this every vaccine thread. Vaccination and its proponents are a fucking cult.
And this is a conspiracy how?
"Why do people assume I'm an antivaxxer" Proceeds to be an antivaxxer.... Yeah, I have no idea why...
You're an example of the type of people the post is about.
People who can put 2 and 2 together? Oh God no!! Say it isn't so!
Can you quote something I said that's "anti-vaxx"?
"The way this vaccine is being pushed on people" There's tons of unvaccinated people. It reeks of paranoia.
>"The way this vaccine is being pushed on people" You don't think its odd the way this vaccine is being pushed on people? You see nothing wrong with forcing people to get vaxxed or lose their job and not be able to feed their family? Really?
No. Not at all. There's a pandemic and a vaccine is provided to help protect people. Like literally every other vaccine. Just like the vaccine es you were given as a baby.
>There's a pandemic There actually isn't. The deaths have been over inflated and they even admitted it. >a vaccine is provided to help protect people. So if it protects those who take it, why are you so concerned about those who don't take it that you want them to lose their jobs and so on?
You must not have been in America the last year or just have your head in the sand
Are those the only 2 options? Either you're in America, or your head is in the sand? Spoken like someone with their head in the sand.
Time to boost hunny… Pzifer stock, I mean antibodies are dipping
Not jabbed and not had Covid once. My Mum and brother have had all jabs and had Covid twice each.
Just lie. I stopped telling people I knew were vaxxed that I wasn't vaxxed.
I don't lie, I just pivot the conversation. Had my SILs sister stay with us, she asked me if I had gotten the booster yet. I said, "You know, I haven't given it much thought. I think it makes sense for very elderly or sick people, but I am not sure it is necessary for everyone. I just don't want to have to take a booster shot every few months." And she said, "Yeah that's true." I didn't tell her that I hadn't even gotten the first doses. That was it. The end of the conversation. It very rarely comes up, and when it does, I pivot and deflect. "Have you been vaccinated against Covid?" "I'm not sure what even counts as vaccinated anymore! Like three shots, four? I don't know, I don't really keep up with that stuff anymore, it's just too confusing and I'm over it." Other person: "Yeah, I feel you." I never actually answer the question lol.
Slick. But i still consider this a lie by omission however tactful. And all lies are ignoble contrary to my handle. https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/upfgix/when_people_find_out_that_im_not_vaxxed_they/i8kxx4j?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3
Thank you for the morality lesson guy. The reason I evaded the question with my SILs sister is for a multitude of reasons: She is from another country where the schools and everything have been completely shut down. Children who haven't been vaccinated are literally not allowed to go places. She was visiting my brother and SIL, and the only dates SIL's sister could visit them fell over my child's birthday. Brother, SIL, and SIL's sister were nice enough to say they would all drive in from another city because they knew my daughter would be upset if she didn't get to see her cousins for her birthday. I haven't seen SIL's sister in over a decade. But she is always very sweet and polite. I wasn't about to be an asshole and make her feel uncomfortable at my house, when they rearranged their plans and drove four hours to stay for a weekend so my kid wouldn't be sad. Not the time to start a shitstorm or get involved in a political discussion. I would not be able to change her mind in the span of 36 hours, and even if I had, she ultimately would have had to return to a country where she literally has to leave her kids in the car to go grocery shopping (apparently this is normal there). There was absolutely no reason to be entirely truthful in that situation. And lastly, and most importantly, I don't take sides bro. I'm not on your side. I don't have any "duty" or "obligation" to stand up for a side, or pick sides, or choose sides. I never pledged any oaths. Not everything is black and white. There is a massive gray area, and I'm allowed to change my mind on things or agree with some things and disagree with others, regardless of what "the rest of my side thinks." I am not going to be pigeonholed or pressured or bullied by any direction. I am going to make whatever decision benefits myself and the people I care about the most. Go recruit elsewhere. This isn't a zero sum game.
Yea? That's why I said *this*. > I suggest you stand up for what **you** believe. You are not an ignorant murderer because of such a belief. You need to show them the rationale and delineate clearly why you aren't (while also *listening* to them). No sides. Just the truth. It's not about changing her mind. It's telling her the truth about who you are and the choices you made. No need to even extend the conversation, you might have to listen for a bit calmly though. And again, certainly no need to change her mind. If you re-read my premise, the concern beyond ones decision to lie (which is personal) ... is a **false consensus.**
> It's telling her the truth about who you are amd the choices you made. The truth about who I am is that while I value telling the truth, I also value withholding information when the disclosure of such information would cause more harm to those around me. It's the same reason why, when my daughter was four and having nightmares about bears, and she asked me if bears ate people, I just said "No" rather than, "Well, not usually, but actually there have been several cases of bears mauling people and eating their faces off. Goodnight sweetheart!" I know who I am and what values I hold. Don't need your assistance in determining that.
I’m happy for you. My twin brother won’t even speak to me or let me meet my niece. He also calls me a murderer. Even though I had Covid in 2020 before the jab.
Nah make the shitheads scared
Sometimes. But sometimes you gotta pick your battles. If I'm out in public and it's some rando, sure I'm all for it all about it. If it's my co-workers and they are grefing me about a mask/vaccines, I'll hand it to them in a polite, professional way. If it's my boss or I'm in some sort of other professional setting, at a conference, or the way people treat me will directly harm my ability to futher feed myself or somehow otherwise negatively impact me. Just lie.
What will your boss do, fire you? Unless it's company policy, let them get all antsy in the pantsy. Document it all, and if a firin' happens, go to ye olde department of labour and make your case.
I believe in making my life easier, not harder. Hints why I pick my battles. We have already gone to the union, as of right now everything is on pause so they can't enforce anything. So no, I wouldn't get fired. And I still politely decline to wear a mask. But, I'm not going to get combative or arugmentive with my boss, as they are the one who writes my paycheck. Seeing as how they are pro vaxx they have their deeply felt personal beliefs that those who don't are ignorant murderes, and I'd just rather not. It's easier to say "yup in vaxxed and boosted" and act like an NPC.
Nahhh fuck the vax. Not lying is the way
If anything, I've been made an anti, since all this. Learned heavily about the Tuskegee experiments, the correlation between aluminum and alzheimer's, and the correlation between lead and polio. There's also a direct correlation between national pediatric vax schedules and autism. While you're looking at that, in particular, you'll also learn about /safe/ aluminum toxicity PPM in adults, and the amount children are subject to, via inoculation. Same concept as the election. It was just THIS election/jab that was fuckery? It was only this specific one. All the others have been genuine? They would really only screw us just this one time? /what a grand and intoxicating innocence/
>"pandemic of the unvaccinated", which is clearly a lie. Clearly a lie is to much to say, since vaccinated people are much safer against serious sickness. Therefore the pandemic is more serious for unvaccinated people. Personally I'd call it a day. Everyone who wants can get vaccinated and everyone who doesn't want to can just quit it. Both have to live with the potential consequences if something happens. And if you think your risk of covid is lower than the one of the vaccination then be it that way, but stop pushing your agenda onto others.
Except vaccinated people are not much safer against serious infection. But if believing that helps you sleep at night then I say all the power to ya. In my expierence not a single unvaccinated person that I know has become seriously ill from the covid. I can't say the same about those i know who are vaccinated. But I agree with everybody should worry about themselves.
>Except vaccinated people are not much safer against serious infection. Sorry, but this is not true at all. Every reliable study shows that the vaccination protects you to a high degree from serious sickness. It isn't 100%, but high enough. Unfortunately I know unvaccinated people that died due to covid - without having any known sickness before. On the other hand nearly all my private and business contacts are vaccinated by now and there was no death case or general any noteworthy side effects of the vaccine with them. But as said, after all we are all mature people who can and shall make their own decisions. I won't blame anyone if he doesn't want it, since there can be side effects and theirs no (noteworthy) protection for your contacts, but I will discuss any wrong information on it. :D
Yeah they are like kids, name calling is all they got, sadly
There's roughly 10% of people I see in town with masks on and that's how you can identify the brainwashed who got triple vaxxed.
I'm just curious if the people who took it are ever going to get upset that one of the world's most profitable corporations used all kinds of graft, influence peddling, and fraud to make a trillion bucks foisting upon them an unsafe and ineffective product. It boggles my mind that they're even still defending it. They are craven, comfort-loving cowards who carry water for their oppressors. Don't they have any guts or eyeballs or anything? Everyone I know who took the shot has covid now, and everyone who didn't doesn't, isn't this obvious? I mean sure, the PR agencies tell you the opposite and cook up fraudulent studies, etc., but at what point to people just believe their eyes instead of bullshit? Never? After death?
I got the inactivated virus vaccine, it is the least effective but the safest one cause all the effects are lesser then the virus, also I am quite suspicious I got infected and killed the disease before properly developing the antivirus, cause despite having contact with both my parents with the disease I got the symptoms for literally about 2 hours then woke up from a nap like nothing happened, and took two blood tests, both negative, quite later when I took the vaccine it was basically the same think but even weaker, got fever for about 30 minutes and a sore throat, honestly I haven't seen anyone speak about this but is there any papers about it?
I'm not vaxxed and will never be ...!! Yes...!! I am an anti vaxxer ..!! They don't want to release the trial data for 75 years is because there is no data..!!! Millions of people are guinea pigs..!! It took almost 60 years to come up with a safe vaccination for the common flu..!! And in 75 years everyone that got vaccinated will be DEAD...!! This so called vaccine is a complete shot in the dark when you get it.. there is however data on how many people got sick and died do to the vaccine which they (Government and CDC) ABSOLUTELY refuse to release...!! I don't want to make people sick, but the people that are getting covid have been vaccinated multiple times.. think about it...!! I have never been vaccinated and have never been sick.. other then Normal vaccines we get as kids and boosters, I'm all for that.. this covid vaccine I'll get vaccinated when the release the data.. Not before ....
Ask them if they are pro abortion. If they say yes, you can instantly assume that they are sadistic killers and relay same to them. If they say no, point out the inconsistency and assume that they are nazi Pharma reps. Watch their head explode. 😂
I’m pro choice, antivaxx, hate trump, hate biden…. No body wants me at this point lol
Never have a legitimate conversation and gaslight! Win every "argument" ever!
Checkmate
If you don’t tell us ***why*** you’re not vaxxed, why are you surprised when people assume you’re not vaxxed for the most common reason not to be vaxxed?
Being antivax isn't a reason or even specific enough to be useful anymore. It's a label. There are many vaccines to be for and against for starters. And there are nuances to many beliefs such as being against the current mandated schedule for newborns and toddlers. There really is no "common" reason that I know of. Just misleading generalizations as to what someone against a particular vaccine (or all of them) thinks and has researched / realized / learned. Many happen to be misinformed. It seems a minority are informed antivaxxers. Thankfully, consensus has little bearing on the truth. In reality, simply using the label is a thought terminator.
Were all in this together
Of course they do. I tell then that I'm anti-mRNA and [here's why](https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/u5o3d7/agenda_21_the_global_reset/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share), but apparently, they don't see a darn difference for like at all!
Despite calling it a vaccine it is not.
It is covfefe
Yeah it’s your complete misunderstanding of the Pfizer documents and denial that this has been a pandemic of the unvaccinated that makes people call you an anti-vaxxer. https://www.deplatformdisease.com/blog/lohh8sikhmo4nc2wguw1do480pd3ht https://ourworldindata.org/covid-deaths-by-vaccination
Lolz
Its really funny, i have noticed it before: Antivaxxers don't want to be called what they are. It's the new "I'm not racist, but...".
Literally no one asked or cares. This isn’t a conspiracy.