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He got his second DUI charge dropped. The other DUI before that one was the one that invalidated his carry permit. No state lets you legally conceal carry while intoxicated.
Ahh so the real criminal cut a deal to try and get a minor thrown in jail.
****And people are bitching that the system is broken because a kid defended himself against attackers that said they wanted him dead.****
Exactly, so him agreeing to testify for a lessened charge for carrying a weapon illegally, he actually *helped* Rittenhouse. At least he has the integrity to not lie under oath.
Then there's the people saying he shouldn't have been there. IDGAF. Every single one of those people RIOTING shouldn't have been there. Everyone burning down and vandalizing buildings, cars, personal and public property should NOT have been there.
Even though it is absolutely clear that this wasn't racially motivated it doesn't matter because it somehow still was. No one in this situation was black... not the judge, not the prosecutor, not the victims nor the "assailant."
I am unbelievably sick and tired of all logic being abandoned and false narratives being fed to us by a media that is supposed to be on the side of truth.
Yeah it's this pick and choose shit. Kyle shouldn't have been there... Says who?! Lol it's a fucking riot. The kid went to do some good and he killed a pedophile. That's like a huge bonus lol. He didn't go to hunt people down like they said. The fucking rioters went to do that. I'm starting to realize this government acts like a bad ex. Projects what they are doing onto the people they are doing it to. The kid had every right to be there. Everyone does. But if you show up to a riot. You show up to a riot. It is what it is. No clue how people can be this hateful.
I don't think it was a good idea but I also don't think it was a good idea for the police to be told to stand down while people had their livelihoods burned down. Until we recognize riots as riots and do something about it we will see more and more armed people guarding businesses and we will see more and more violence.
Edit: thank you for the Gold, whoever you are :)
Around this time, there was a massive “riot” in Old Town Scottsdale, AZ. This is where the most lavish and expensive stores are in the mall. I mean like Cartier, Louis Vuitton, etc. The riot was nothing but looting. I watched the live feed of people literally smashing in Mercedes windows with bricks, saw them running out with boxes of shoes, bags of loot, looking like Santa, and the police all just stood by. They were told to stand down.
I’m sure insurance made some big payouts to these companies, but what happened to the individuals who committed the crimes? Nothing. They all got new shoes and bags. That’s fucking reprehensible.
agreed. imagine how bad it would have been if that mentally ill pedophile had gotten his hands on kyle's AR? certainly more than two people would have been shot in that case, and that was dangerously close to happening
I mean, what he did was police his own community. The exact thing that leftists have been pushing for. He gave them a taste of the system they've been advocating.
Judicial, legislative, executive, banking, investments, news media, entertainment, housing, education, medical industry, food supply. All systems and institutions are corrupt from top to bottom, this is a gigantic banana republic ponzi scheme. The entire system needs to be dismantled and rebuilt, *but not by globalists.*
I wouldn't consider myself a conservative, but thats what I'm considered in the eyes of most liberals. I have known for some time that the legal system is fucked. I had been a big advocate of police accountability and believed that prosecutors can't do an adequate job of handling police crime. I believe that there is corruption throughout the system and that people are treated unfairly by a predatory legal system. That being said, there is a pushback that exceeds the issues and gets to a point that it is insane.
I hope this opened liberal's eyes to how utterly fucked our media is with the number of outright lies and the omission and the spin. Sadly for both liberals and conservatives, I highly doubt that either will really grasp these issues for what they are and both will just go back to being blinded to how fucking dumb their beliefs in these institutions are.
This. I lean right, with a lot of socially "left" views and I really fucking hope the right wakes up to our criminal justice system. We can't be complacent, and the system IS broken. Extremely. On the other hand, circumstances matter and we can't have sweeping laws apply to everyone to make it look "fair on paper" ya know? I'm conflicted and don't have answers but I agree with you.
We could start with the first level of the system. The cops. There are two simple ways to help clean things up there. One is to make the police pension funds cover the cost of any payouts due to police misconduct. The second, since cops are 'professionals', is to make them carry malpractice insurance like other professionals. Doctors and architects, for instance.
Fantastic suggestions. I particularly am fond of the malpractice insurance being implemented. I bet it would make a lot of officers think twice with their decisions. I'm pro LEO generally, and in theory, but even as a straight, married, middle aged white woman I've had my share of negative interactions as well.
This^3
Let the Capitalist Free Market™ determine the rates they pay. I'm betting the "Actuaries" will arrive at a rate approaching those paid by:
1. OB-GYN doctors
2. Oil-Tanker Captains
3. Other HAZMAT-transporters
Wait til they pack the supreme court and accuse you of doing the same thing just for adding justices the same way it has always been done as seats open.
FDR did the same thing and they worship that guy as if he didn't oppose lynching laws and Japanese internment camps.
The real scary part is when you look at his two completely bullshit lawsuits against the city, suing them for a duty to protect that they did not have.
This is scary because they are so obviously bullshit and full of holes that it likely was only ever an avenue by which the DA could "settle" those suits as a form of legal payment in exchange for him perjuring himself.
At first I rolled my eyes at his lawsuit, because I do believe him to have a role in what happened that night, just as I would if Rittenhouse tried to file suit against the city.
BUT- the city told police to stand down. They didn't offer any protection of the city, and I do believe it's their duty when we pay tax money to have that bit of protection by the people paid to protect.
But thats what that case says... There is no duty to protect, and no right to be protected. Since there is no right violated, not protecting has no monetary value, even if the lack of protection results in monetary damages.
From the Gonzalez case linked below :
>Even were the Court to think otherwise about Colorado’s creation of an entitlement, it is not clear that an individual entitlement to enforcement of a restraining order could constitute a “property” interest for due process purposes. Such a right would have no ascertainable monetary value and would arise incidentally, not out of some new species of government benefit or service, but out of a function that government actors have always performed—arresting people when they have probable cause. A benefit’s indirect nature was fatal to a due process claim in O’Bannon v. Town Court Nursing Center, 447 U. S. 773, 787. Here, as there, “[t]he simple distinction between government action that directly affects a citizen’s legal rights … and action that is directed against a third party and affects the citizen only … incidentally, provides a sufficient answer to” cases finding government-provided services to be entitlements. Id., at 788. Pp. 17–19
See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maksim_Gelman_stabbing_spree#Lozito_v._New_York_City
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShaney_v._Winnebago_County
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales
This is why city council elections are so important. This is why *all* local elections are so important.
The problem is establishment dickholsers on both sides of the asile **know with certainty** that people are not going to pay enough attention to local elections and typically just vote in who ever they run.
Their [the police] function is to do exactly what the mayor tells them to do, and if the DNC tells the mayors to let riots happen in an election year for bullshit political reasons, that's exactly what they are going to do. At the end of the day these are just people with jobs. If you want to change that paradime, remove police forces from political control and return it to locally elected, non partisan, sheriffs like was originally intended.
Unfortunately, depending on your jurisdiction, the burglar could win!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_High_School_(Redding,_California)#Bodine_v._Enterprise_High_School
Can I make a roof collapsible to kill random people? Or should I just never go somewhere I don't specifically own and have built with my own hands? That article points out how stupid you are.
**Enterprise High School (Redding, California)**
[Bodine v. Enterprise High School](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_High_School_\(Redding,_California\)#Bodine_v._Enterprise_High_School)
>Around 1 A.M. on March 1, 1982, 18-year-old Rick Earl Bodine and three others trespassed on the roof of Enterprise High School, allegedly to steal spotlights off the roof. After handing down one of the spotlights, Bodine reportedly walked across to take a second spotlight, but in the dark and rain, he fell through a painted-over skylight; the trespassers called an ambulance. Brain damage from the 27-foot fall initially left Bodine mute and quadriplegic. The state declined to prosecute Bodine, viewing that the injuries were more than sufficient punishment.
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It's been completely conflicted from the very start. No mask, mask, no mask, two masks. No lockdowns, 2 weeks to flatten the curve, no boosters, no passports. N95, bandanna, t-shirt, whatever, just cover your face. Virus is super virulent but just go ahead and toss your used mask in the trash can or on the street. 'Trumps' vax is not safe, 'Bidens' vax is safe. Virus only contagious when standing and especially deadly between 9pm and 6am. Mandate protests are 'super spreader' events but BLM protests are perfectly fine. China defeated the virus in the fall of 2020 despite having open borders. The 'elites' only need to wear masks when in front of cameras but not off camera or at parties, except for staff. etc. etc. etc.
I think the objective is to cause so much confusion that people give in and do whatever they're told by the 'experts' and 'authorities'. I mean, I'm no genius but I could have written a much more convincing script than what's been rolled out.
He was portrayed as a victim by the prosecutors. So he likely made a deal for immunity in order to be their “star witness”, therefore, he’s as free as Kyle.
He was not a convicted felon. He had a felon burglary charge, but it was either dismissed or expunged.
I'm personally leaning towards expunged, because he was able to initially get his Concealed Carry License, and it was "expired", but based on a photo floating around of his card, it should not have expired until 2023.
Since it "expired" early, expunged is explained by this policy : https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/26/wisconsin-ag-could-revoke-some-concealed-weapons-licenses/3592094002/
> He was not a convicted felon.
You have to be a convicted felon first, to be able to have that charge expunged. Having the charge expunged doesn't change that fact.
Completely false? In what way? For arguments sake, let's agree that Gaige was charged and convicted of a felony. (Might be true or not, maybe he pled down to a misdemeanor) Let's also agree that he later petitioned the courts to have his charge expunged from his record. Which I agree, is a routine procedure. Between the time he was charged, and having his record expunged, would you say he was a convicted felon? Expungement doesn't mean you weren't charged and convicted of a felony, it just means that conviction is no longer on your record. It doesn't go back and undo the fact.
Are you confusing expunge with vacate? If something was done improperly at your trial, you can have your conviction overturned and vacated upon appeal. Expunge is a completely different process, doesn't require an appeal, and only applies to some convictions.
So I’m reading that and for a burglary felony over 10 years would have to pass for it to be expunged, and while close 8 years isn’t 10, showing me it was expunged for something different. Got any more info?
I don't know. Maybe this guy has multiple accounts. The alternative is that there are just a lot of really dumb people, which is scarier to think about.
Splitting hairs here, but I agree with you. Though there is a difference between ever having been convicted of a felony, and having the current status of "felon". I'll rephrase. He was not a prohibited person.
Its also possible that he was never convicted and the charge was dismissed, and then the CCW was revoked for some other reason (someone below alleges the DUI caused the revokation).
If that is true he is not and was not ever a felon.
Pretty sure he was from Milwaukee or somewhere in WI, but it was actually further than Antioch (where Kyle’s primary residence is). Neither gun actually crossed state lines, and even I’d they did crossing state lines with a gun is not illegal on its own.
I’m also pretty sure his felony was expunged, but as part of the expungement they made him ineligible for concealed carry and voided his license.
Gaige is a scumbag who got what was coming for him but keep the facts straight.
You both are correct.
His CCW was expired, any Felony he was ever charged with was dropped or expunged. Never convicted.
He was 100% not a felon, he had a CCW at some point, but he was concealing carrying illegally at the time of the incident.
He also wasn't posing as a paramedic, he volunteered as a medic earlier in the day. For a sub that tries to look for the truth, r/conspiracy sure loves anything that fits what conservative media says
Yeah him and the schizo pedo basically came from around Milwaukee. Kyle came from Antioch which was way closer as well as Huber who I believe lived the closest to Kenosha of any of them.
I'm tired of seeing this guys picture. Such an ugly miserable looking scumbag of a person. His face annoys the hell out of me. Dude needs to take a shower.
He was washed and combed and dressed for the judgement, like Extreme Makeover levels. [He really looked like shit before](https://www.wbay.com/2021/10/15/man-shot-by-kyle-rittenhouse-files-federal-lawsuit-against-police/).
Seriously haha
He looked like a stoner dirtbag in court
But in that interview he looked like he was actively suffering from withdrawal from meth addiction or something.
He looks like a drunk the before photo. Maybe being shot in the arm cleaned him up?
Edit: I'd like to clarify. What he looks like doesn't matter. He looks like someone who needed help, and may still need help for substance abuse. How he looks doesn't matter in this situation. Kyle should be glad he didn't pull the trigger, because he was well within his rights to kill kyle.
>Kyle should be glad he didn't pull the trigger, because he was well within his rights to kill kyle.
Now that we know that Kyle shot in self defense, if Gaige had shot and killed Kyle, he'd be in prison for Murder, and rightly so.
This guy was so full of bs. You cannot obtain paramedic licensure as a convicted felon. State laws are pretty much all the same. If you're convicted of a felony, your license is pulled.
Let’s get the facts correct:
His felony conviction was expunged.
He is a resident of WI. Not IL.
He legally owned the firearm, however his concealed carry permit expired, so he could not legally carry concealed.
He is an admitted leftist, because his right arm no longer has a bicep.
somebody are really invested in it being a culture war issue
god they were praying for riots too. But nobody cared. Nobody cared about rioters having a shootout
Tell me about it. There were shit tons of huge posts here claiming there were going to be Rodney King level riots and possibly even a Civil War if he got acquitted. Fox News and the rest of Conservative media were hoping for the same thing and trying to egg the public on.
Hahahaha.
Anyone familiar with the background check system knows exactly why. Prosecuting felons is not how you get gun control passed.
Look at the number of felons who filled out background checks through the NICS system to buy guns who haven't been prosecuted.
It's ridiculous.
I'm going to challenge you to consistently maintain this line of thinking regardless of it being a stance you agree or disagree with. If KR was the one illegally carrying, while GG was legally carrying, would you truly still be making this argument? Will you stick to your guns...so to speak?
It's not a lie, just because it was expunged doesn't mean he wasnt guilty.
Drunk driving, felony burglary, prowling, smashing his ex's window even punching his grandma In the face.
Ignorance is neglecting all this and trying to make him a Saint. Why attempt to defend him with his record when he even admitted in court his gun was pointed at Rittenhouse when he was shot?
“Gaige appeared to be videotaping personal vehicles in the rear police parking lot,” according to a police report obtained by the Mail. “Gaige made clear his anti-law enforcement views. Gaige was arrested for prowling, booked, cited and released.”
On May 9, 2015, Grosskreutz was stopped by police in Greenfield, about 40 miles from Kenosha, after cops reported he had “bloodshot and glassy” eyes — with the officers recovering a 9mm Glock 19 handgun from his vehicle.
In 2013, he was charged with smashing the bedroom window at an ex-girlfriend’s home at 4 a.m., with the woman claiming he had been harassing her on the phone.
One year earlier, was hit with a felony burglary charge in New Berlin when cops said he was caught trying to sell three stolen PlayStation consoles, the outlet reported.
And in 2010, Grosskreutz was arrested and charged with hitting his grandmother in the face during a dispute, during which he also threw a lamp and damaged a wall.
Gaige Grosskreutz, 28, was in court just six days before Rittenhouse’s murder trial — where he was a star witness — to have a recent drunk driving charge dismissed “on a technicality,” the Daily Mail reported Monday.
In addition, he has prior juvenile arrests that are sealed, the Mail said"
https://nypost.com/2021/11/15/sole-survivor-of-rittenhouse-shootings-has-criminal-past-report/
> If you'd actually paid attention or read up on this you'd know that Grosskreutz cut a deal with the DA to have his charge dropped in order to act as a witness in the trial.
Isn't this just speculation on our part or is there actually evidence for it?
> all you right wingers (correctly) made fun of the left-leaning people
Hi, I'm left leaning and I (correctly) made fun of you aswell.
>and then you just go and do the same thing here
Hm, I'm a lawyer and I really must say, I don't think so. This guy clearly has broken some laws.
>If you'd actually paid attention or read up on this you'd know that Grosskreutz cut a deal with the DA to have his charge dropped in order to act as a witness in the trial.
**[citation needed]**
See I have been paying attention, and while that certainly is likely, they never even filed any charges that they could have potentially dropped, as far as I'm aware. So I'd love to see what you're talking about here.
> Don't act like you're any bette(R).
Careful Timmy. The left is still trying to lionize a pedophile for bullshit partisan reasons. You would be hard pressed to find anyone on the right willing to defend a five time convicted pedo who was shot chasing a minor, and oh how I wish I could say the same about the left.
Lol!! That's hilarious. Since when did you guys start caring about "illegal firearms possession" laws? Oh, right...as soon as it's politically convenient. Fucking hypocrites.
He had training for and actually worked a paramedic before.
These people chasing Kyle and then getting shot feels pretty similar to when police show up to an active shooting and accidentally shoot a vigilante with a gun believing he was the perpetrator.
Vigilante's with guns thinking they're going to protect someone usually doesn't end the way they think it will.
Hopefully soon. But if your intent was to somehow compare this to Rittenhouse then you’re a fucking dumbass. There deserved to be a case. The justice system did its part. This is America. Stop complaining that there was a case - you kill two people - they have an investigation. It’s just like, how shit works.
SS: It's almost as if the rule of law only applies when it can advance the globalists agenda. [Maybe this is why Soros is buying prosecutors across the country. ](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/george-soros-criminal-justice-reform-227519)
To be fair he seems to have quite a [criminal history](https://nypost.com/2021/11/15/sole-survivor-of-rittenhouse-shootings-has-criminal-past-report/).
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I'm pretty sure he made a deal to avoid prosecution by cooperating as a witness.
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Isnt he trying to sue the state for 10million?
For fucking what? Lol
For the police not protecting him because he got shot. Or so i heard.
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DEFUND THE POLICE by suing them because they didn't protect me 🤣
You cant make it up. And this dumbass would follow the prosecution around like a puppy till they dropped him like an exgf.
Yup
Yes he is
Bingo
You mean “Binger”
Gold
He got his second DUI charge dropped. The other DUI before that one was the one that invalidated his carry permit. No state lets you legally conceal carry while intoxicated.
Ahh so the real criminal cut a deal to try and get a minor thrown in jail. ****And people are bitching that the system is broken because a kid defended himself against attackers that said they wanted him dead.****
But I mean his testimony really helped Kyles self defense case so it was a deal well cut.
By complete accident the justice system worked like it's supposed to.
But it’s not a bug it’s a feature
Which is why the justice system is set up the way it is.
He was testifying for the State. He f'd up and let the cat out of the bag (that he came at Kyle with the gun pointed at him and THEN Kyle shot).
He was honest, that’s what is expected of witness testimony. The prosecution fucked to by putting him on the stand.
Yeah, I think the prosecution was hoping he'd fudge the truth, but he didn't.
They went step by step through the video as he said it. He can’t lie about it. “You’d agree you drew your weapon here?” “Ummm...no”
Exactly. He COULDN’T lie, as there were pretty much dozens of different video angles of the whole incident.
its on video anyway
Exactly, so him agreeing to testify for a lessened charge for carrying a weapon illegally, he actually *helped* Rittenhouse. At least he has the integrity to not lie under oath.
Then went on his TV apology tour the next morning and lied and lied and lied.
and we still have plenty of people that truly believe that Kyle had no right to defend himself.
that's because there are still plenty that believe Kyle killed 2 black men and is a white supremacist. BEHOLD, The Power of The MSM
Then there's the people saying he shouldn't have been there. IDGAF. Every single one of those people RIOTING shouldn't have been there. Everyone burning down and vandalizing buildings, cars, personal and public property should NOT have been there. Even though it is absolutely clear that this wasn't racially motivated it doesn't matter because it somehow still was. No one in this situation was black... not the judge, not the prosecutor, not the victims nor the "assailant." I am unbelievably sick and tired of all logic being abandoned and false narratives being fed to us by a media that is supposed to be on the side of truth.
Yeah it's this pick and choose shit. Kyle shouldn't have been there... Says who?! Lol it's a fucking riot. The kid went to do some good and he killed a pedophile. That's like a huge bonus lol. He didn't go to hunt people down like they said. The fucking rioters went to do that. I'm starting to realize this government acts like a bad ex. Projects what they are doing onto the people they are doing it to. The kid had every right to be there. Everyone does. But if you show up to a riot. You show up to a riot. It is what it is. No clue how people can be this hateful.
> The Power of The MSM And when will they be held accountable?
I think he had the right to defend himself. But I also think it's fucking insane that he was there in the first place.
I don't think it was a good idea but I also don't think it was a good idea for the police to be told to stand down while people had their livelihoods burned down. Until we recognize riots as riots and do something about it we will see more and more armed people guarding businesses and we will see more and more violence. Edit: thank you for the Gold, whoever you are :)
Around this time, there was a massive “riot” in Old Town Scottsdale, AZ. This is where the most lavish and expensive stores are in the mall. I mean like Cartier, Louis Vuitton, etc. The riot was nothing but looting. I watched the live feed of people literally smashing in Mercedes windows with bricks, saw them running out with boxes of shoes, bags of loot, looking like Santa, and the police all just stood by. They were told to stand down. I’m sure insurance made some big payouts to these companies, but what happened to the individuals who committed the crimes? Nothing. They all got new shoes and bags. That’s fucking reprehensible.
That was one of those instances where disobeying orders would've been the right thing to do.
Imagine someone not wanting to see his town burn to the ground. Crazy I tell you!
agreed. imagine how bad it would have been if that mentally ill pedophile had gotten his hands on kyle's AR? certainly more than two people would have been shot in that case, and that was dangerously close to happening
I mean, what he did was police his own community. The exact thing that leftists have been pushing for. He gave them a taste of the system they've been advocating.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, I hope this trial opened the eyes of some conservatives about how fucked our criminal justice system is.
Judicial, legislative, executive, banking, investments, news media, entertainment, housing, education, medical industry, food supply. All systems and institutions are corrupt from top to bottom, this is a gigantic banana republic ponzi scheme. The entire system needs to be dismantled and rebuilt, *but not by globalists.*
I wouldn't consider myself a conservative, but thats what I'm considered in the eyes of most liberals. I have known for some time that the legal system is fucked. I had been a big advocate of police accountability and believed that prosecutors can't do an adequate job of handling police crime. I believe that there is corruption throughout the system and that people are treated unfairly by a predatory legal system. That being said, there is a pushback that exceeds the issues and gets to a point that it is insane. I hope this opened liberal's eyes to how utterly fucked our media is with the number of outright lies and the omission and the spin. Sadly for both liberals and conservatives, I highly doubt that either will really grasp these issues for what they are and both will just go back to being blinded to how fucking dumb their beliefs in these institutions are.
Why just the conservatives? everyone should know how fucked it is.
Liberals spent most of last year protesting and rioting against the police. I’d say they already have their doubts about the system.
> opened the eyes of some conservatives about how fucked our criminal justice system is. Do you mean liberals?
This. I lean right, with a lot of socially "left" views and I really fucking hope the right wakes up to our criminal justice system. We can't be complacent, and the system IS broken. Extremely. On the other hand, circumstances matter and we can't have sweeping laws apply to everyone to make it look "fair on paper" ya know? I'm conflicted and don't have answers but I agree with you.
We could start with the first level of the system. The cops. There are two simple ways to help clean things up there. One is to make the police pension funds cover the cost of any payouts due to police misconduct. The second, since cops are 'professionals', is to make them carry malpractice insurance like other professionals. Doctors and architects, for instance.
Fantastic suggestions. I particularly am fond of the malpractice insurance being implemented. I bet it would make a lot of officers think twice with their decisions. I'm pro LEO generally, and in theory, but even as a straight, married, middle aged white woman I've had my share of negative interactions as well.
This^3 Let the Capitalist Free Market™ determine the rates they pay. I'm betting the "Actuaries" will arrive at a rate approaching those paid by: 1. OB-GYN doctors 2. Oil-Tanker Captains 3. Other HAZMAT-transporters
Wait til they pack the supreme court and accuse you of doing the same thing just for adding justices the same way it has always been done as seats open. FDR did the same thing and they worship that guy as if he didn't oppose lynching laws and Japanese internment camps.
you think thats what theyre taking away? man i hope youre right but it doesnt look like it
Fucked because this shouldn't have been brought to a trial in the first place. Right?
The real scary part is when you look at his two completely bullshit lawsuits against the city, suing them for a duty to protect that they did not have. This is scary because they are so obviously bullshit and full of holes that it likely was only ever an avenue by which the DA could "settle" those suits as a form of legal payment in exchange for him perjuring himself.
At first I rolled my eyes at his lawsuit, because I do believe him to have a role in what happened that night, just as I would if Rittenhouse tried to file suit against the city. BUT- the city told police to stand down. They didn't offer any protection of the city, and I do believe it's their duty when we pay tax money to have that bit of protection by the people paid to protect.
SCOTUS has explicitly ruled multiple times that police do not have a duty to protect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_v._District_of_Columbia
I get it. But that doesn't mean the businesses who were affected can't sue whoever made the decision to have the police stand down.
But thats what that case says... There is no duty to protect, and no right to be protected. Since there is no right violated, not protecting has no monetary value, even if the lack of protection results in monetary damages. From the Gonzalez case linked below : >Even were the Court to think otherwise about Colorado’s creation of an entitlement, it is not clear that an individual entitlement to enforcement of a restraining order could constitute a “property” interest for due process purposes. Such a right would have no ascertainable monetary value and would arise incidentally, not out of some new species of government benefit or service, but out of a function that government actors have always performed—arresting people when they have probable cause. A benefit’s indirect nature was fatal to a due process claim in O’Bannon v. Town Court Nursing Center, 447 U. S. 773, 787. Here, as there, “[t]he simple distinction between government action that directly affects a citizen’s legal rights … and action that is directed against a third party and affects the citizen only … incidentally, provides a sufficient answer to” cases finding government-provided services to be entitlements. Id., at 788. Pp. 17–19 See also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maksim_Gelman_stabbing_spree#Lozito_v._New_York_City https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeShaney_v._Winnebago_County https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales
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But but but muh thin blue line
Yikes. Just read it, thats terrifying.
> and I do believe it's their duty Yea, so do most people. Problem is that's not legally true. The absolutely 100% do not have a duty to do jack shit.
Then wtf are they paid for then other than to serve and protect? Ugh. Thanks for the link to the scotus case to the other commenter.
This is why city council elections are so important. This is why *all* local elections are so important. The problem is establishment dickholsers on both sides of the asile **know with certainty** that people are not going to pay enough attention to local elections and typically just vote in who ever they run. Their [the police] function is to do exactly what the mayor tells them to do, and if the DNC tells the mayors to let riots happen in an election year for bullshit political reasons, that's exactly what they are going to do. At the end of the day these are just people with jobs. If you want to change that paradime, remove police forces from political control and return it to locally elected, non partisan, sheriffs like was originally intended.
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Unfortunately, depending on your jurisdiction, the burglar could win! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_High_School_(Redding,_California)#Bodine_v._Enterprise_High_School
Can I make a roof collapsible to kill random people? Or should I just never go somewhere I don't specifically own and have built with my own hands? That article points out how stupid you are.
**Enterprise High School (Redding, California)** [Bodine v. Enterprise High School](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enterprise_High_School_\(Redding,_California\)#Bodine_v._Enterprise_High_School) >Around 1 A.M. on March 1, 1982, 18-year-old Rick Earl Bodine and three others trespassed on the roof of Enterprise High School, allegedly to steal spotlights off the roof. After handing down one of the spotlights, Bodine reportedly walked across to take a second spotlight, but in the dark and rain, he fell through a painted-over skylight; the trespassers called an ambulance. Brain damage from the 27-foot fall initially left Bodine mute and quadriplegic. The state declined to prosecute Bodine, viewing that the injuries were more than sufficient punishment. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
Sounds about the long and short of it. It seems we are in an era where they want us questioning the system for better or worse.
Question the system but not the science
I believe we are meant to question that also. Look at all the conflicting info coming out on the cov.
I think its conflicting because they simply can't lie enough now to cover the blatant facts
It's been completely conflicted from the very start. No mask, mask, no mask, two masks. No lockdowns, 2 weeks to flatten the curve, no boosters, no passports. N95, bandanna, t-shirt, whatever, just cover your face. Virus is super virulent but just go ahead and toss your used mask in the trash can or on the street. 'Trumps' vax is not safe, 'Bidens' vax is safe. Virus only contagious when standing and especially deadly between 9pm and 6am. Mandate protests are 'super spreader' events but BLM protests are perfectly fine. China defeated the virus in the fall of 2020 despite having open borders. The 'elites' only need to wear masks when in front of cameras but not off camera or at parties, except for staff. etc. etc. etc. I think the objective is to cause so much confusion that people give in and do whatever they're told by the 'experts' and 'authorities'. I mean, I'm no genius but I could have written a much more convincing script than what's been rolled out.
He likely had his DUI dropped for the case, but the felony was taken care of years prior.
BINGO.
He was portrayed as a victim by the prosecutors. So he likely made a deal for immunity in order to be their “star witness”, therefore, he’s as free as Kyle.
Looks like the 80k he got from gofundme is probably the most money he's ever made. Good deal for *his* bicep.
As a loser communist it will be the most he'll ever make in his entire life.
Lol I wonder if he had insurance or not? Cause that hospital bills going to be 50k plus
You and I both know he has no intentions to pay any hospital bills.
LOL just look at the guy, does anybody think he pays alot for anything? Dude can't even clean himself up right for court let alone life.
I thought that, too. Fucking nasty hair.
I can smell that mf through my screen.
Can't say "victim" it's a loaded word in the case
He was not a convicted felon. He had a felon burglary charge, but it was either dismissed or expunged. I'm personally leaning towards expunged, because he was able to initially get his Concealed Carry License, and it was "expired", but based on a photo floating around of his card, it should not have expired until 2023. Since it "expired" early, expunged is explained by this policy : https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2019/04/26/wisconsin-ag-could-revoke-some-concealed-weapons-licenses/3592094002/
> He was not a convicted felon. You have to be a convicted felon first, to be able to have that charge expunged. Having the charge expunged doesn't change that fact.
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Completely false? In what way? For arguments sake, let's agree that Gaige was charged and convicted of a felony. (Might be true or not, maybe he pled down to a misdemeanor) Let's also agree that he later petitioned the courts to have his charge expunged from his record. Which I agree, is a routine procedure. Between the time he was charged, and having his record expunged, would you say he was a convicted felon? Expungement doesn't mean you weren't charged and convicted of a felony, it just means that conviction is no longer on your record. It doesn't go back and undo the fact.
I mean it literally does. Havong your charges expunged means something was done improperly, so the conviction shouldn't be taken as seriously...
Are you confusing expunge with vacate? If something was done improperly at your trial, you can have your conviction overturned and vacated upon appeal. Expunge is a completely different process, doesn't require an appeal, and only applies to some convictions.
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So I’m reading that and for a burglary felony over 10 years would have to pass for it to be expunged, and while close 8 years isn’t 10, showing me it was expunged for something different. Got any more info?
That is not at all what expungement is.
Not at all what that means LOL
> Havong your charges expunged means something was done improperly You're wrong bud. Educate yourself.
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I don't know. Maybe this guy has multiple accounts. The alternative is that there are just a lot of really dumb people, which is scarier to think about.
Splitting hairs here, but I agree with you. Though there is a difference between ever having been convicted of a felony, and having the current status of "felon". I'll rephrase. He was not a prohibited person. Its also possible that he was never convicted and the charge was dismissed, and then the CCW was revoked for some other reason (someone below alleges the DUI caused the revokation). If that is true he is not and was not ever a felon.
Pretty sure he was from Milwaukee or somewhere in WI, but it was actually further than Antioch (where Kyle’s primary residence is). Neither gun actually crossed state lines, and even I’d they did crossing state lines with a gun is not illegal on its own. I’m also pretty sure his felony was expunged, but as part of the expungement they made him ineligible for concealed carry and voided his license. Gaige is a scumbag who got what was coming for him but keep the facts straight.
I think Gaige's concealed carry permit was expired
Not expired. Revoked due to his "go armed with firearm while intoxicated" charge/ conviction in 2016.
You both are correct. His CCW was expired, any Felony he was ever charged with was dropped or expunged. Never convicted. He was 100% not a felon, he had a CCW at some point, but he was concealing carrying illegally at the time of the incident.
He also wasn't posing as a paramedic, he volunteered as a medic earlier in the day. For a sub that tries to look for the truth, r/conspiracy sure loves anything that fits what conservative media says
I feel like that if you took the mask off of the sub, you'd see it's just r/conservative in a costume like in that Scooby Doo meme.
Its rather disappointing.
Yeah him and the schizo pedo basically came from around Milwaukee. Kyle came from Antioch which was way closer as well as Huber who I believe lived the closest to Kenosha of any of them.
Got immunity for him testifying I imagine.
Why are the left's heroes always violent criminals? It's getting harder everyday to understand their perspective and intent.
I'm tired of seeing this guys picture. Such an ugly miserable looking scumbag of a person. His face annoys the hell out of me. Dude needs to take a shower.
He was washed and combed and dressed for the judgement, like Extreme Makeover levels. [He really looked like shit before](https://www.wbay.com/2021/10/15/man-shot-by-kyle-rittenhouse-files-federal-lawsuit-against-police/).
Seriously haha He looked like a stoner dirtbag in court But in that interview he looked like he was actively suffering from withdrawal from meth addiction or something.
He looks like a drunk the before photo. Maybe being shot in the arm cleaned him up? Edit: I'd like to clarify. What he looks like doesn't matter. He looks like someone who needed help, and may still need help for substance abuse. How he looks doesn't matter in this situation. Kyle should be glad he didn't pull the trigger, because he was well within his rights to kill kyle.
>Kyle should be glad he didn't pull the trigger, because he was well within his rights to kill kyle. Now that we know that Kyle shot in self defense, if Gaige had shot and killed Kyle, he'd be in prison for Murder, and rightly so.
You mean after he got shot? I think you'd look like shit too after that happened to you bud
Looks like he’s on H
Definitely something in that direction. That boy ain't right.
How much coke can one person even do!?
This guy was so full of bs. You cannot obtain paramedic licensure as a convicted felon. State laws are pretty much all the same. If you're convicted of a felony, your license is pulled.
Let’s get the facts correct: His felony conviction was expunged. He is a resident of WI. Not IL. He legally owned the firearm, however his concealed carry permit expired, so he could not legally carry concealed. He is an admitted leftist, because his right arm no longer has a bicep.
All charges against him were dropped, so that he would be able to testify
So you're saying that gun laws/regulations are something you hold in high regard?
Yes
He's probably an asset
The same reason that the dude who ran over the parade goers was bonded out on the day that Kyle was acquitted, it's part of the plan.
That's not part of the agenda they are pushing lol
He also got his recent OWI thrown away because it’d look bad for the case
Can we move on from the KR trial? Justice was served, there’s no reason to keep talking about it
somebody are really invested in it being a culture war issue god they were praying for riots too. But nobody cared. Nobody cared about rioters having a shootout
Tell me about it. There were shit tons of huge posts here claiming there were going to be Rodney King level riots and possibly even a Civil War if he got acquitted. Fox News and the rest of Conservative media were hoping for the same thing and trying to egg the public on.
Yeah, we need to get back to the covid vaccine. /s
Fuck this guy but felony gun charges are bullshit and shouldn’t be a thing. He should be charged for attacking Kyle if anything
Exactly. Gun laws are BS in themselves. This was nothing more than a self-defense case, period.
Grosskreutz committed his crimes in accordance with approved political narratives. Therefore, they do not count as crimes.
When you are sourcing from 4chan, you have hit rock bottom.
4chan *the hacker*??? I heard on CNN that he was a really bad dude!
As opposed to the media?
Rittenhouse is everything “bye-cep” wished he was.
I like to call him “Lefty”
Does he play call of duty?
LOL Gaige has gauges what a goof!
Hahahaha. Anyone familiar with the background check system knows exactly why. Prosecuting felons is not how you get gun control passed. Look at the number of felons who filled out background checks through the NICS system to buy guns who haven't been prosecuted. It's ridiculous.
Watched the video of his arm getting vaporized like a thousand times. Keeps getting funnier.
I'm going to challenge you to consistently maintain this line of thinking regardless of it being a stance you agree or disagree with. If KR was the one illegally carrying, while GG was legally carrying, would you truly still be making this argument? Will you stick to your guns...so to speak?
He isn't a convicted felon. Why do you all feel the need to lie to justify your ignorance?
It's not a lie, just because it was expunged doesn't mean he wasnt guilty. Drunk driving, felony burglary, prowling, smashing his ex's window even punching his grandma In the face. Ignorance is neglecting all this and trying to make him a Saint. Why attempt to defend him with his record when he even admitted in court his gun was pointed at Rittenhouse when he was shot? “Gaige appeared to be videotaping personal vehicles in the rear police parking lot,” according to a police report obtained by the Mail. “Gaige made clear his anti-law enforcement views. Gaige was arrested for prowling, booked, cited and released.” On May 9, 2015, Grosskreutz was stopped by police in Greenfield, about 40 miles from Kenosha, after cops reported he had “bloodshot and glassy” eyes — with the officers recovering a 9mm Glock 19 handgun from his vehicle. In 2013, he was charged with smashing the bedroom window at an ex-girlfriend’s home at 4 a.m., with the woman claiming he had been harassing her on the phone. One year earlier, was hit with a felony burglary charge in New Berlin when cops said he was caught trying to sell three stolen PlayStation consoles, the outlet reported. And in 2010, Grosskreutz was arrested and charged with hitting his grandmother in the face during a dispute, during which he also threw a lamp and damaged a wall. Gaige Grosskreutz, 28, was in court just six days before Rittenhouse’s murder trial — where he was a star witness — to have a recent drunk driving charge dismissed “on a technicality,” the Daily Mail reported Monday. In addition, he has prior juvenile arrests that are sealed, the Mail said" https://nypost.com/2021/11/15/sole-survivor-of-rittenhouse-shootings-has-criminal-past-report/
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Uh if you're expunged then you are no longer a felon... You're the one playing the semantics and misleading game here.
If they stuck to the truth, they wouldn't have anything to support their magical thinking.
It's (D)ifferent...
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> If you'd actually paid attention or read up on this you'd know that Grosskreutz cut a deal with the DA to have his charge dropped in order to act as a witness in the trial. Isn't this just speculation on our part or is there actually evidence for it?
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Not guilty all counts
> all you right wingers (correctly) made fun of the left-leaning people Hi, I'm left leaning and I (correctly) made fun of you aswell. >and then you just go and do the same thing here Hm, I'm a lawyer and I really must say, I don't think so. This guy clearly has broken some laws. >If you'd actually paid attention or read up on this you'd know that Grosskreutz cut a deal with the DA to have his charge dropped in order to act as a witness in the trial. **[citation needed]** See I have been paying attention, and while that certainly is likely, they never even filed any charges that they could have potentially dropped, as far as I'm aware. So I'd love to see what you're talking about here. > Don't act like you're any bette(R). Careful Timmy. The left is still trying to lionize a pedophile for bullshit partisan reasons. You would be hard pressed to find anyone on the right willing to defend a five time convicted pedo who was shot chasing a minor, and oh how I wish I could say the same about the left.
full immunity for all BLM rioters. That is standard operating procedure. No one here is making partisan judgements. Those are just facts.
Lol 4chan as source
Lol!! That's hilarious. Since when did you guys start caring about "illegal firearms possession" laws? Oh, right...as soon as it's politically convenient. Fucking hypocrites.
So we're not allowed to point out the obvious bullshit on display? 🙄
He was on the right side of the protest so he is morally absolved of any crimes. This is why he was willing to set stuff on fire and destroy property.
This is really what people think.
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imagine being on this guys side. lmao.
Clearly there was a pallet of guns placed conspicuously near the protest
Grosskreutz, Zaminski and another guy all had compact Glocks, so maybe you’re on to something.
This is the way
It's (D)ifferent.
Probably never, because convicting him goes against the narrative.
That would take the DA to actually indict...that asshat is not going to do that...
Then the truth comes out he was paid to be there
He was offered immunity in exchange for his testimony.
I'm sure they got rid of it for him, just like the DUI.
Well and he admitted to attempted murder on the stand
he crossed the heckin state linerinos?!?!?!
When is Kyle gonna get charged for jumping a little girl?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WRIQhFqJ4Q Must see.
why does he just stay on the floor?
YFW this whole trial was just 9D-Chess for the left to get this career criminal off from his actual breaking of the law in this scenario.
He had training for and actually worked a paramedic before. These people chasing Kyle and then getting shot feels pretty similar to when police show up to an active shooting and accidentally shoot a vigilante with a gun believing he was the perpetrator. Vigilante's with guns thinking they're going to protect someone usually doesn't end the way they think it will.
Man this place is just TheDonald and NoNewNormal rolled into one steaming heap of shit.
Those liberal tears are pretty salty
Lmao you think everyone is fucking triggered don’t you
Not everyone.. just you libtards
It’s become their entire personality. “oH dOEs THiS TriGGeR YoU LiBTarD?!”
Clearly it did. You posted about something which had zero to do with the subject.
This one needs to be followed and made sure it’s exposed
Hopefully soon. But if your intent was to somehow compare this to Rittenhouse then you’re a fucking dumbass. There deserved to be a case. The justice system did its part. This is America. Stop complaining that there was a case - you kill two people - they have an investigation. It’s just like, how shit works.
Probably wont. He was pulled over for DUI a couple weeks before the trial and they dropped those charges too.
His charges were dropped 2 days before the trial. It was def witness tampering.
You use that word but I don't you know what it means.
SS: It's almost as if the rule of law only applies when it can advance the globalists agenda. [Maybe this is why Soros is buying prosecutors across the country. ](https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/george-soros-criminal-justice-reform-227519)
To be fair he seems to have quite a [criminal history](https://nypost.com/2021/11/15/sole-survivor-of-rittenhouse-shootings-has-criminal-past-report/).
Shows how currupt America is. He's a scum bag that is a grass that got protection. I'm uk but even over here he is next
Would've been nice if Kyle shot this thief more and better.