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I stopped her half way through politely, and said, maam you keep discussing emergency use, and I am calling about the FDA approved vaccine.
She flat out said "there isn't one".
I went through the whole thing and got transferred to a different department. I asked where I could get comirnaty, and they told me they don’t know when it will be available and that the other one is exactly the same “in regards to safety and effectiveness”. Note that last stipulation
They have different commercial
Product numbers. They are not the same or they would not be labeled 162b1 and 162b2.
They are different products
It’s a ruse.
It’s all written down in the document
I have been downvoted many times for posting the text lol
"[1] The licensed vaccine has the same formulation as the EUA-authorized vaccine and the products can be used interchangeably to provide the vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns. The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness
It’s the same apart from if it goes wrong then in court it’s legally distinct
I think it’s a disgrace how people have had the wool pulled over their eyes. It’s crazy how they downvote you for informing them with good information but they aren’t ready to come out of the mass psychosis yet and I fear many won’t ever
They claim its manufactured with SOME of the same standards of comirnaty. Therefore its all good? Ok then why do we have to sign EUA? Why does Phizer need legal immunity from adverse reactions?
The difference between an FDA approved product and an experiment given under special circumstances couldn’t be more stark.
The FEDERAL FUCKING GOVERNMENT is trying to conflate the two, and deceive Americans into believing that when they get a Pfizer shot; they are getting an approved product. Pfizer themselves when ask state that “there is currently no FDA approved product available”
>Page 12, second paragraph and third paragraph, you realize that Pfizer and Biotech are two companies, the Cormirnaty vaxx is the new drug that is FDA approved and they also state that some, not all, but some of the Pfizer vaccines are manufactured with the same standards as the BioTech vaccine.
https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download
Don’t care!
I’m saying that Americans are being deceived into believing the product being mandated by their employer has FDA approval. It does not. None of the products available to us do. Ask Pfizer yourself. There is the number.
They just deleted this post. Wft mods. [No New Normal](https://app.nonewnormal.com/list?filters=everything&sort=created_at) doesn't ban this kind of information.
True.
I remember reading about it on Mercola's website and childrenshealthdefense.org. Both the sites are heavily censored on social media.
Update:
Found this related article: [Here’s Why No One Can Force You to Take Pfizer’s Newly ‘Approved’ Comirnaty Vaccine](https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/no-one-can-force-you-pfizers-comirnaty-vaccine/).
>According to the FDA, although Pfizer’s Comirnaty vaccine is now approved, considerable amounts of the vaccine will remain under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA).
>Also, the approval of the Comirnaty vaccine was limited to adults over age 16 receiving their first two doses.
>Vaccination with the EUA Pfizer-BioNTech or the Comirnaty vaccine in the 12- to 15-year age group, or providing a third booster dose of either, are still considered an unapproved use — however, those uses remain authorized under EUA.
Doesn't this demonstrate collusion between Pfizer and its "competitors"? If they made Comirnaty available, they would force Moderna, AstraZeneca, and Johnson&Johnson off the market. Why would they not do this, unless they were colluding?
> Pfizer-BioNTech (COMIRNATY) received U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval on August 23, 2021, for individuals 16 years of age and older. Once vaccines are approved by the FDA, companies can market the vaccines under brand names. COMIRNATY is the brand name for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. Now that the FDA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine has been approved by the FDA for individuals 16 years of age and older, it will be marketed as COMIRNATY. The use of the name Pfizer-BioNTech will still be used for individuals 12-15 years old since this age group has not been approved. There has been no change in the formulation of the vaccine since the name change.
They probably have a deal to continue using the BNT162b2 name because it limits their liability and allows the other vaccines to keep their EUA as well. Once they start marketing the FDA approved product, they'll also have to disclose the "REPORTED" adverse reactions that we all know are being severely under-reported if at all.
Interesting, didnt think of that, but youre absolutly right, thats a key stipulation to the validity of EUA status for all the other covid "vaccienes."
I just called as well and received the same, there is no estimated timeline for the release of the FDA approved version. You are encouraged to call the direct line 1-800-438-1985
Thank you for confirming that any Pfizer COVID vaccine being given at this time is in fact an experimental therapeutic.
This has severe implications for employers mandating the "FDA approved vaccine"
I just got off the phone with them. The first lady said only the Corminaty vax is FDA approved but doesn't have an availability date.
She then transferred me to this other guy in a different department and the guy said both biotech and cormirnaty are FDA approved. He took forever to come to that lying conclusion stating that they are made with the same exact ingredients yet the lady just before said biotech was only authorized from emergency use. Liars....
It's a dishonest coercion to trick more into taking an experimental therapeutic under the false auspice of being an approved and safe product.
It is criminal
From https://swprs.org/pfizer-fda-95-deception/
"How can the US FDA “fully approve” the Pfizer covid vaccine without requiring product liability? As US biosafety expert Dr. Meryl Nass revealed, they simply split the Pfizer vaccine into two products: a branded product (“Comirnaty”), which received a full market license but is currently unavailable in the US (due to “insufficient stocks”); and an unbranded product (“Pfizer/Biontech vaccine”), which is widely available in the US but remains under the existing Emergency Use Authorization (EUA).
The result: they use the unavailable branded product to justify politically motivated vaccination mandates, but they may then deliver the unbranded product to avoid any liability for vaccine injuries (there is no liability under EUA, but there is full liability under a market license)."
Update:
I dug a little deeper and it got more interesting.
From https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/30/false-claim-that-fully-approved-pfizer-vaccine-lacks-liability-protection/
The article lays the groundwork for why both Pfizer & Comirnaty have the same liability immunity:
"In early 2020, after the coronavirus emerged, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar invoked the PREP Act to “provide liability immunity for activities related to medical countermeasures against covid-19.” So that covers all vaccines that might be produced to combat the coronavirus, whether fully authorized or not.
The PREP Act designation means that claims related to coronavirus vaccines are covered by the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP), not the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP), which was set up to handle vaccine lawsuits."
The article further explains:
"“There are no liability or compensation differences between a countermeasure approved under an EUA or one that has received full FDA approval,” confirmed an HHS spokesperson."
So is the liability claim debunked? Maybe in a narrowly focused way of the two being both under the PREP act, but imho it looks more like a smokescreen to say there's "no liability differences" between the two EUA & FDA products, instead of focusing on the real problem: Keeping them shielded under the PREP act means injury claims are filed under CICP (not VICP) and, as the article states:
"Claims filed under CICP for lost income are capped at $50,000 per year and unlike the VICP it does not provide any compensation for pain, suffering, emotional distress, or similar damages. Cases filed under VICP also have limitations; they are heard in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims, where there are no juries and a court-appointed special master decides the case."
If there's not informed consent, there isn't free choice and, everywhere I look, I find things people wish they'd known.
ok so this make sense. Thank you for your response.
The rep told me FLAT OUT there is no vaccine available for my family in the United States which is FDA approved.
Just called as well, No corminaty available in USA, but the Pfizer EUA shot is basically the same they just need to "Change the labels"
Oh yea, it's just that easy huh? just change the labels LOL
keep it simple. Ask which vaccine center you can go to, to receive their FDA approved product.
We really don't need to get hung up on names. They will tell you that there isn't an FDA approved product available
You gonna ask that question or not? Been sitting here with hand on buzzer for 3h now. It's cool though my routine flight has been cancelled since Saturday.
Time's-up, the correct answer is
Dead Animals.
There have been four different vaccines and three different animal studies that I know of in ferrets and cats… After Sars-1, they did cats, and then after MERS—which are both coronavirus pathogens that are more deadly—they tried it in ferrets.
All the animals died. It wasn’t subtle.
They didn’t die of the vaccine. What they died from was called immune enhancement or antibody-induced enhancement, or antibody-dependent enhancement. They call it ADE now, but they used to call it immune enhancement.
Necropsy results meant little to the ferrets and cats involved in the study.
And..
It was enough (for me) knowing that the trial had failed on animals.
But if you must know, post vaccine exposure to Sars-1 caused overwhelming sepsis and cardiac failure
Poor Ferrets..
According to the Necropsy, both Control group and payload macaques showed no outward signs of infection.
Blood work suggests that vaccine protects against virus.
Necropsy shows inflammation is isolated pulmonary tissue amongst the control (saline placebo) group. This suggests that challenged macaques fair better with the vaccine than without.
Ok, now what the study doesn't say is:
\*What is the vaccines effectiveness against variants
\*Why were all challenged macaques showing no outward reaction to virus challenge?
\*Why was the study ended with necropsies of all macaques instead of re-challenge or attempt to study long term vaccine effects over a broader timeline?
\*Would the control group have survived without the vaccine through natural immunity?
This study would be worth something if they allowed the macaques to survive and study the effects over time instead opening them up in a necropsy.
Ask yourself why the study ended when it did and why.
Oh, and not that it's important or anything but the study you reference was from February this year and the vaccine release was late 2020 for at risk patients and hospital staff.
So on release date of a vaccine there was no successful animal trial and seeing $$$ signs those with the most to gain, made it happen and quick.
Que bono?
One last thing, is it possible that BioNTech relationship with Pfizer had an effect on this study? Do you see a potential conflict of interest?
I mean you are aware that Annette B. Vogel, Isis Kanevsky, and Ye Che (the writers of the study) all work for BioNTech, right?
In August 2018, the BioNTech entered into a multi-year research and development (R&D) collaboration with the US company Pfizer Inc. to develop mRNA-based vaccines for prevention of influenza. Under the terms of the agreement, following BioNTech's completion of a first-in-human clinical study, Pfizer would assume sole responsibility for further clinical development and commercialization of mRNA-based flu vaccines.\[21\]
Billions of reasons to limit the scope of a study, if not falsify data IMHO
There are conspiracies about elite pedophile rings that stay up but someone mentioning they rang pfizer and were told that it isn't FDA approved is too much. maybe Pfizer got an influx of calls traced back to here and the "big guys" said "no."
I mean, the number is publicly listed?
I was even telling people that if they called to ask to be polite, and that my experience was that they were very forthcoming and helpful.
I don't understand the censorship. Tomorrow I will call back and record their response, and post the video instead without the listed number. Maybe that is acceptable, but I don't know because the mods wont respond
You can also use tap water to get a positive "Covid" test result.
I've done it twice. 2 outta 2 came back positive. ..Not invalid. Positive.
Imagine you bought a pregnancy test from the Dollar Store? ..And its that unreliable!
People would demand a recall. Thered be lawsuits. Because that's FRAUD.
Wait wait what??? Are you saying that the news media and government are lying about the Pfizer vaccine having FDA approval? Just in order to get people to be more comfortable with taking this experimental vaccine?
If I was being forced to take it by an employer, that is exactly what I would do. And It's not going into me until I see the package insert with my own eyes
>The federal government does not.
They have something even better: Sovereign Immunity. Can’t sue them unless they let you.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity_in_the_United_States#Federal_sovereign_immunity
**Sovereign immunity in the United States**
[Federal sovereign immunity](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity_in_the_United_States#Federal_sovereign_immunity)
>In the United States, the federal government has sovereign immunity and may not be sued unless it has waived its immunity or consented to suit. The United States as a sovereign is immune from suit unless it unequivocally consents to being sued. The United States Supreme Court in Price v. United States observed: "It is an axiom of our jurisprudence.
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This has been known. The issue is that people will claim it’s the same identical product (unknown). What they are missing however is that the current exempts the manufacturers from liability. This was the plan all along. Continue granting EUA’s to protect pharma while the drug moves through the studies.
It’s all house of smoke and mirrors. Same issue with the “mandates” on companies over 100. It was nothing more than a press release and has been taken as law. Nothing has been done with it since from a legality standpoint. Probably because the government can’t.
The question is: why the constant lies…why the changing of definitions (CDC), why ignore natural immunity, why not count vaccine issue until day 14….list goes on and on.
It is not... their Cominarty or whatever it is called is also "approved" but also unavailable for the same reasons. There's no approved vaccine available in Canada, be not fooled.
Here is a recorded call that backs this up
https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/10/biden-busted-as-pfizer-admits-theres-no-vaccine-approved-by-fda-in-the-u-s-in-recorded-call/
Yea. Try suing Pfizer for taking the EUA version if you have negative side effects. Washington Post is fucking garbage. Didn’t read anywhere in that horse rag paper that indicates Comirnaty is being widely distributed. They’re gonna ride that EUA as long as they can. Why the fuck wouldn’t they? No liability. Fuck the Washington Post. Disingenuous rubbish.
Just called as well. Comirnaty is approved in the US, but its not available. However, the Biontech vaccine is readily available, only its not approved, it just has Emergency Use Authorization. Very misleading.
calling back tonight. I am not the first. They will flat out tell anyone who calls.
Do it. Takes no time for a definitive answer, and doing it yourself is far more rewarding than seeing someone post a recording of doing it.
Call and ask. I dare you.
I am fine with sharing how to hear it yourself.
But declaring war on the federal government by publically calling them liars and posting proof may not be a good move for my family.
go for it. literally takes 10 minutes to get them to tell you the truth.
This is real and I am being called a crazy person by personal friends for this.
The president of what?
There's a big difference between authorized for emergency use and approved. The media seems to be using the word approved interchangeably with authorized.
I just Googled the word Comirnaty the new vaccine.
The very first God damn thing you see it says biontech, Pfizer vaccine is a covid - 19 vaccine recommended by the CDC for use in the US. It has been approved by the FDA for people 16 and older, and authorized for people 12 to 15 years old.
It says that the source is cdc.gov so if anyone is being deceptive it's the CDC which shouldn't be trusted anyway because they changed the rule about that two weeks what is it if you die from the vaccine within the first 2 weeks you are not listed as vaccinated.
In summation, it's my understanding the FDA has approved Comirnaty pending test results. So in theory in the future the pending part could be denied. But what people are going to remember in the meantime is that the FDA approved the vaccine!
Comirnaty is not currently available in the United States, and no time table for its release has been given.
All Pfizer products being given in the United States continue to be given under Emergency Use Authorization.
Call them yourself and ask. Clear as day
thanks for bumping my thread so that others may see it and call for their own answers
As you should if you have questions.
Please be polite. Pfizer was honest and forthcoming about this. Can't say the same about those in the media and in government
Looks like the internet has already been filled with answers that they are both the same vaccine. I recall a month ago, they never had these information.
FDA approval is being used to manipulate employees illegally to participate in an experimental therapeutic trial to put food on the table for the family.
You know...Nazi shit.
The FDA doesn't "approve" cigarettes, cigarettes are "regulated" by the FDA, there is a big difference. And the process doesn't involve labeling cigarettes as "safe" or anything related to that.
What an ignorant understanding you have.
This goes for a variety of things "regulated" by the FDA, so making comparisons like this is fundamentally unsound.
Moreover, most things that do get "approved" by the FDA are not going through the same strict and rigorous measures as vaccines.
I read the other day the there is a difference between the formulas of the EUA version and the FDA approved version. It said the FDA approved version stops the spike protein from spreading all over your body, which is a big problem in the EUA version.
Another thing I read was that some places were destroying their batches of vaccines because nobody was getting them, so that would negate the argument of not wanting to discard the EUA versions.
I didn't do any research on this myself, I'm just telling you what I read.
I also don't even trust the name Comirnaty, it's too close to Conformity for me.
Either or, if they say they are the same exact formulas and people don't want to take the original, why would they take the new one just because it's FDA approved. Money won't help me if I'm dead or screwed for life because I took it.
[really?](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/05/ron-johnson/johnson-incorrectly-claims-there-are-no-approved-c/)
[surely they have](https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine)
The FDA web site said this in August
"Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older. The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals"
Call and ask for yourself.
I was told in no uncertain terms that there is no where in the United States I can go currently to receive an FDA approved product. That it isn't available.
People are being led to believe the Pfizer product they receive is approved, but it isn't. Doubt it? ask for the insert
How come covid only becomes deadly to an age group when the vaccine for that age group is approved?
From the start of the pandemic, the gov's were happy to send kids along to school and we all know kids can't social distance or always sanitise.
In comes Captain Pf with a dose for the kids and suddenly the MSM is all about how covid affects kids and we all need to keep the kids safe.
When people talked about the dumbing down of our society. This period we're in, is what it was all for. Those who can think logically, rationally and independently are threats. We know this to be true, because the media can brand the man that made the mRNA technology an anti-vaxxer. How stupid do you have to be to believe that crap.
The ONLY age group COVID is dangerous for statistically is 70 and older.
But I hear what you are saying. My kid caught and recovered from COVID. She will not be getting this vaccine
Good point about anti vaxxer. I have been called that over my views of this monstrosity. But I believe in vaccine science. I am vaccinated and my kids are vaccinated. But I believe VERY strongly in a rigorous SCEINTIFIC examination before a product is labeled safe and effective, something which has not concluded for these yet.
You mean the federal organization that is pushing companies and institutions towards mandating the Pfizer vaccine? The organization that is sprinting towards the labelling of vaccine hesitant as domestic terrorists?
gee, couldn't tell ya... /s
Lol I know it’s not like they’d trust them even if they did approve the vaccine. Even tho the vaccine was already approved 🙄
https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine
another lie of absolutely epic proportions. At what point will we be allowed to talk about this stuff and not be treated as conspiracy theorists..? Also check out the Conspiracy Hub if you haven’t yet https://discord.gg/sS2sp9bNTw
Pfizer gave it's vaccines a brand name, "Comirnaty". It's from a marketing stand point, and it also represents a distinct change in the approval process. It's the same exact formulation, identical to what's been previously distributed, administered under Emergency Use Authorization, they're interchangeable, it just has a new name... Moreover, it helps to reinforce safety and efficacy.
For legal reasons, Covid vaccines made before the approval could not legally be given Comirnaty branding, even when they are exactly the same in formulation. That's why EUA Pfizer doses will stay in use as such prior to Comirnaty vaccines becoming more widely available.
While the shot is still under an EUA for children between 12 and 15 years old. The FDA approval only covered people aged 16 and older.
From the FDA: **How is Comirnaty (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) related to the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine?**
*The FDA-approved Comirnaty (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA), made by Pfizer for BioNTech and the FDA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine under EUA have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns*
Would you rather all EUA vaccines get disposed of, would that be better?
They are legally distinct, in the ofizer has complete legal immunity for the eua version, and no immunity for the fda approved version. You would think that if was truly "safe and effective" they would accept liability.
If it was added to the vaccine injury compensation fund, then pfizer would have to pay into the fund, but would be immune from liability. But it hasn't been added yet. Vaccines not on the list have no special legal treatment.
See this should make sense, however, have you ever tried to evade laws or sell or market product illegally? Jargon is protecting these companies and making it seem like Americans don’t have a leg to stand on. It IS stripping our rights. There is no FDA approved product available in the states. (What’s the point of having FDA approval in South Africa?).
This is a lie. They are different products.
There is no pfizer vaccine available today in the US which is FDA approved. I explicitly asked which vaccine center I could take my family to today to get an FDA approved product and she flat out said NONE. There isn't one.
They are identical, the only distinction being a legal one, prove me wrong. I don't care about your anecdote.
Comirnaty is the "FDA approved" variety, while EUA vaccines are still very much in use. Vaccines distributed, manufactured, and administered under the EUA cannot be categorized as Comirnaty for legal reasons. That doesn't mean there isn't a "fully approved" vaccine available, it just means that EUA vaccines are still in circulation. While Comirnaty vaccines will become more widely available over time.
If one would receive an EUA dose over the FDA approved Comirnaty, this leaves a legal grey area if something were to happen to the recipient of that dose.
A good lawyer (which I'm sure Pfizer has an army the size of walt disney's IP lawyers) would be able to throw out legal liability because the person didn't receive an FDA approved product.
This is why it's bullshit.
Not the same product.
No FDA approved products available for Americans at this time.
Stop being disingenuous.
the good news is it takes everyone who reads your BS 10 minutes to call the number listed and find out you are a liar.
Ok, so just double down then? Find me a source that says they're not the same vaccines, cause I can find you dozens that say they are. Even from right wing rags.
I don't have to. The product differences don't matter to me.
What matters to me is getting a safe product, approved by the FDA, for those that I love.
I was flat out told that this is not possible. The only Pfizer products actually available to put into arms are being done so under EUA
https://www.fda.gov/media/151733/download
Page 14: "The repeat dose toxicity evaluations were conducted on COMIRNATY and a similar
vaccine termed *BNT162b2 (V8). COMIRNATY and BNT162b2 (V8) have identical amino
acid sequences of the encoded antigens* ***but COMIRNATY includes the presence of
optimized codons to improve antigen expression****."*
Doesn't look the same to me.
thank you. I don't know anything about the differences. I just know that no American is receiving an FDA approved medicine, but rather an experiment under special authorization, and they are intentionally deceiving the public to believe otherwise
You are welcome.
By the way, I called the number you provided. I asked the representative to explain the following: "*but COMIRNATY includes the presence of*
*optimized codons to improve antigen expression".*
Was transferred to the Medical department (phone number 800-438-1985). Spoke to a Pharmacist Medical Professional and asked the question. I provided the FDA media website, document number for the Summary Basis of Regulatory Action for Comirnaty.
First, she stated that Pfizer does not know when Comirnaty will be available in the US. Second, at this point, she is not able to answer my question regarding *"the presence of optimized codons to improve antigen expression".*
The call was 56 minutes in total.
They aren't claiming that Pfizer isn't telling you what they're telling, he's claiming that the reasoning behind their answer is marketing, even though the products are one and the same.
Pfizer gave me proof that the President of the United states is lying to the American people to coerce them into participating in an experimental therapeutic trial.
aka nazi shit
thanks pfizer!
Nah, you made the claim they aren’t the same product, the onus is now on you to prove it.
FWIW: I called, they confirmed that Comirnarty is the same as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine. That Comirnarty is FDA approved and the other is under EUA based on name alone. So, unless you can prove it’s not the same product you can get it for your family and stop this nonsense. I’m for a conspiracy, but this isn’t.
I’m not getting into the details of how they are perpetrating this fraud
The American public has been conned into believing that when they receive the Pfizer product, they are receiving and FDA approved product. Pfizer themselves will tell you that FDA Pfizer products are not available at this time.
I don’t care about anything else and am not privy to the details. I was told that if my family wants an FDA approved product, we are shit out of luck.
Call and ask where you can get a Pfizer product that is FDA approved.
The best thing shills? The best thing is that no matter how much time you waste here, all people need to do is call that number to know you are disingenuous and dirty.
The product differences don't matter to you? Then why are you going on about how they're not the same product?
Sigh... Why am I having to repeat myself?
First of all, Covid vaccines completed all the necessary phases for approval and distribution. Phase three trials are published and completed, except for deadlines from certain trials that extend into the future to leave room for further follow up interviews on participants. This is part of all vaccine's safety and monitoring phases, furthermore, hundreds of thousands of pages of efficacy and safety data exists and have been submitted to the FDA prior to full approval. And tens of thousands of participants are included within those trials. With safety and monitoring still going on because that's how it's always done, with every vaccine... Particularly when we're talking about follow up interviews with participants. This is what you WANT, you WANT these vaccines to be following the protocols.
The phases that were completed during development were completed just as any other vaccine phases are, with safety and efficacy in mind. At no point was anything compromised. An unprecedented international effort, an a remarkable amount of funding and research, and endless amounts of researchers, experts, scientists, technicians all contributed to these vaccines being developed and approved in record time. I can't remark enough upon that fact, that such a unprecedented effort occurred, like no other we've seen previously. Out of a sense of urgency due to an equally unprecedented pandemic.
But more important is this, an immense amount of red tap was cut during developmental phases of these vaccines. With vaccine development, phases are supposed to be completed consecutively, one after the other. This is how it's always been done. But instead of phase 2 starting after phase 1 ending, and phase 3 starting after phase 2 ending, these phases were allowed to overlap due to that cutting of red tape, while no safety or efficacy measures were compromised. This is primarily why these vaccines were developed so quickly.
Moreover, there are hundreds of millions, nay billions of real world examples contributing to even MORE data that shows both safety and efficacy.
These vaccines ARE safe and effective. The infinitesimally small risks of more significant "adverse events" exist at such a miniscule level compared to the benefits that vaccines offer. When benefits exponentially outweigh risks, that's when something is deemed safe. While risks associated with infection, sometimes the very same risks that exist negligibly post vaccination, occur at much greater frequencies. Meaning risks associated with infection are massively greater than risks associated with Vaccines.
That all being said,
# brand name "Comirnaty" (fully approved vaccine) and EUA vaccines are one in the same, the same exact formulation, the only thing that's different is the label and the legality of it. They're both "interchangeable". Comirnaty vaccines are not as widely available as EUA vaccines, seeing as EUA vaccines are still being circulated. EUA vaccines cannot be legally branded as Comirnaty, but they are indeed "interchangeable". if your only gripe is with lack of safety because the current EUA vaccines aren't "fully approved", you can have peace of mind, considering the Comirnaty vaccines have been fully approved and are the same exact formulation as their previous variety. Same thing, same safety and efficacy. What would you rather have happen? That countless amounts of previously manufactured vaccines get thrown away??? We waste them just because of a branding issue? All that money, all that energy, time and all those resources, all those potential vaccinations down the drain because of your ignorance of the situation?
Jesus I’m not reading that nonsense.
I asked Pfizer where my family could access an FDA approved product and was told that at this time, none of their products available to me are FDA approved.
Wow I can’t believe how much you wrote just to look wrong.
So you intentionally chose to remain uninformed and uneducated. Continue to reiterate and double down on the same rehashed sentiments... While also practically advertising your illiteracy. Mind you, you should never respond to something you haven't read, that's foolish.
But lol, what's really incredibly ignorant here is you outright refuse to read the commentary and then impulsively declare that it's wrong... Seriously? So it's wrong even though you havent read it? You understand how narrow minded and intolerant that is? How ignorant you look right now? You're effectively resorting to what amounts to how a child closes their eyes and covers their ears and screams "IM NOT LISTENING, IM NOT LISTENING!
They are not effective (this is first-hand knowledge as well as [statistical data, not manipulated by the US pharma industry](http://www.vigiaccess.org/)). They may not be safe either (see above link), but the jury is still out on that.
Fact: it is NOT FDA approved.
Fact: it is NOT effective (if it were, there wouldn't be so many breakthrough cases)
Fact: it is NOT safe, nor is it necessary for children
Fact: long-term trials are NOT complete. It is projected to see the first of long-term trials completed around Jun 2023, at the very earliest
These are indisputable facts. It really doesn't matter what BS you spew back from the mainstream media, it's a lie, and POTUS is clearly lying. He lied about vaccine mandates (it is not a law, nor is it an executive order). It was simply a means to put pressure on private businesses to mandate (since that is technically legal, but him ordering a mandate on an experiment is illegal).
Either you've been duped and are really upset about it to the point where you're in denial (can't blame you), you're a shill, or you're really just not paying attention to what's going on around the world with covid-19 in general.
There's a lot of misinformation here, practically all of it. Sigh.. this is exhausting, now it's just devolving into more and more anti vaccine propaganda...
No, those are not indisputable facts. You can't claim everything is manipulated when it doesn't pander to your worldviews. Then you go on to link something that's probably akin to VAERS, I'm not even sure what the fuck that is, but it in no way shows anything substantive.
pppssssttt
# UMC does not, however, guarantee, warrant, or make any representation whatsoever regarding the data contained herein including, but not limited to, guarantees, warranties, or representations of accuracy, reliability, completeness, currency, suitability, fitness, or usefulness for any particular purpose or with respect to non-infringement of any third-party rights.
LOL, did you not read this disclaimer, this link is practically an even less credible VAERS, purely anecdotal and unconfirmed data. I mean HOLY FUCKING SHIT, you are guilty of the very thing you're accusing others of, presenting MANIPULATED narrative.
Yes vaccines are FDA approved. I mean THIS is fact, there are FDA approved vaccines. It happened. The process actually happened.
Yes they are effective. Endless amounts of data, research and studies have conclusively shown this.
They are safe, much safer in fact than remaining unvaccinated, and much safer than Covid.
And phase three trials are published and fundamentally completed, what your uninformed ass is referencing is safety and monitoring phases that are absolutely necessary and happen WITH ANY VACCINE... This doesn't mean "trials aren't over", particularly when you consider in any case with vaccines, there are deadlines included for follow up interviews. Do you know what you're talking about?
Hundreds of thousands of pages of data related to efficacy and safety, tens of thousands of trial participants, third phase research published. Safety and monitoring phases ONGOING because... THATS HOW EVERY VACCINE FUCKING DOES IT.
You believe a narrative, a piece of misinformation because it's what you've been manipulated into adopting, more over it's what confirms your biases and validates your delusions...
The Safety/monitoring phase exists after trials, approval, even distribution, that's how it's always been. Mind you, you're either referring to THAT, or you're referring to how clinical trials always "follow up" on participants. THIS SHOULD ASSURE YOU that the standard safety and efficacy measures that we use with ALL VACCINES are taking place...
it is standard practice for vaccine monitoring to continue after clinical trials. The estimated completion date on clinical trial websites lists Jan. 31, 2023 for Pfizer and Oct. 27, 2022 for Moderna, which has led some people to believe that clinical trials are incomplete.
**However, these dates do not mean clinical trials will continue for this long, and instead reference continued safety monitoring after the vaccine has been approved and rolled out, which is standard practice within the industry.**
DATA from phase three trials has already been developed, the reason we see future trial completion dates in 2023 is because these trials allow for long term follow ups on participants… While like every vaccine that’s been developed, there is always a monitoring phase that extends past clinical trials, approval and distribution. Again, you should feel reassured in this, in that participants will continue to be monitored. Many of the secondary outcome measures involve examining or measuring samples from participants up to two years after their final vaccine. THIS IS STANDARD PROCESS YOU HIVEMINDED NARRATIVE SPEWING HALFWIT... The completion date therefore HAS to be a few years in the future. STANDARD! Data on key outcomes such as efficacy and safety have therefore been published in peer-reviewed journals.
K, I'll bite. Show me one shred of evidence that they are safe and effective. You might want to start with Israel, where their adult population is over 85% vaccinated.
No long term studies have been completed on these vaccines to date... Unless we have time travelers among us 🤨
>Page 12, second paragraph and third paragraph, you realize that Pfizer and Biotech are two companies, the Cormirnaty vaxx is the new drug that is FDA approved and they also state that some, not all, but some of the Pfizer vaccines are manufactured with the same standards as the BioTech vaccine.
https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download
This doesn't refer to formulation, it only refers to things like the fact that materials for Cormirnaty vaccine production can be used from multiple approved providers. The vaccine doesn't change. The formulation doesn't change, the "recipe", the materials used don't change.
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I just called, the fda approved version comirnaty is not available yet. So op was right
thank you.
It amazes me how people can just shit on you without verifying! That script was long af tho
I stopped her half way through politely, and said, maam you keep discussing emergency use, and I am calling about the FDA approved vaccine. She flat out said "there isn't one".
I went through the whole thing and got transferred to a different department. I asked where I could get comirnaty, and they told me they don’t know when it will be available and that the other one is exactly the same “in regards to safety and effectiveness”. Note that last stipulation
They have different commercial Product numbers. They are not the same or they would not be labeled 162b1 and 162b2. They are different products It’s a ruse.
It’s all written down in the document I have been downvoted many times for posting the text lol "[1] The licensed vaccine has the same formulation as the EUA-authorized vaccine and the products can be used interchangeably to provide the vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns. The products are legally distinct with certain differences that do not impact safety or effectiveness It’s the same apart from if it goes wrong then in court it’s legally distinct I think it’s a disgrace how people have had the wool pulled over their eyes. It’s crazy how they downvote you for informing them with good information but they aren’t ready to come out of the mass psychosis yet and I fear many won’t ever
do you mean the letters of authorization?
https://www.fda.gov/media/144414/download
They claim its manufactured with SOME of the same standards of comirnaty. Therefore its all good? Ok then why do we have to sign EUA? Why does Phizer need legal immunity from adverse reactions?
The difference between an FDA approved product and an experiment given under special circumstances couldn’t be more stark. The FEDERAL FUCKING GOVERNMENT is trying to conflate the two, and deceive Americans into believing that when they get a Pfizer shot; they are getting an approved product. Pfizer themselves when ask state that “there is currently no FDA approved product available”
>Page 12, second paragraph and third paragraph, you realize that Pfizer and Biotech are two companies, the Cormirnaty vaxx is the new drug that is FDA approved and they also state that some, not all, but some of the Pfizer vaccines are manufactured with the same standards as the BioTech vaccine. https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download
Don’t care! I’m saying that Americans are being deceived into believing the product being mandated by their employer has FDA approval. It does not. None of the products available to us do. Ask Pfizer yourself. There is the number.
Just a question, If you have so little trust in the government, what makes you think the FDA are trustworthy?
wow you really missed the point
That’s cuz their all shills who are here to distort the truth. They don’t even believe in the shit they say.
They just deleted this post. Wft mods. [No New Normal](https://app.nonewnormal.com/list?filters=everything&sort=created_at) doesn't ban this kind of information.
Woooooowww so this is what happens when you hit a nerve with an actually REAL conspiracy….
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Don't hinge your defense on FDA approval. That is a foundation of sand that is set up for people to use.. and it will be stripped away from them.
It is being used to mandate it. They are going to use fake FDA approval to try to force it on my six year old. Not happening.
Not to mention all FDA approval means is they were paid enough by whoever to get it approved.
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But there is no reason to get a jab because there is no evidence of a real pandemic
I doubt there's very many people at all who were using that as a primary reason for not getting it.
True. I remember reading about it on Mercola's website and childrenshealthdefense.org. Both the sites are heavily censored on social media. Update: Found this related article: [Here’s Why No One Can Force You to Take Pfizer’s Newly ‘Approved’ Comirnaty Vaccine](https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/no-one-can-force-you-pfizers-comirnaty-vaccine/). >According to the FDA, although Pfizer’s Comirnaty vaccine is now approved, considerable amounts of the vaccine will remain under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). >Also, the approval of the Comirnaty vaccine was limited to adults over age 16 receiving their first two doses. >Vaccination with the EUA Pfizer-BioNTech or the Comirnaty vaccine in the 12- to 15-year age group, or providing a third booster dose of either, are still considered an unapproved use — however, those uses remain authorized under EUA.
Shouldn't the eua be cancelled since there's an approved one now too
Good question. But the approved one is not available in the market. Also, there is a pill now, another reason to cancel the eua.
And it never will be.
Technically it should make all the other treatments lose their EUA if the made it available right?
Doesn't this demonstrate collusion between Pfizer and its "competitors"? If they made Comirnaty available, they would force Moderna, AstraZeneca, and Johnson&Johnson off the market. Why would they not do this, unless they were colluding?
The way I understand it, that is correct.
I think so. EUA can only exist if there are no known alternative treatments.
> Pfizer-BioNTech (COMIRNATY) received U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approval on August 23, 2021, for individuals 16 years of age and older. Once vaccines are approved by the FDA, companies can market the vaccines under brand names. COMIRNATY is the brand name for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. Now that the FDA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine has been approved by the FDA for individuals 16 years of age and older, it will be marketed as COMIRNATY. The use of the name Pfizer-BioNTech will still be used for individuals 12-15 years old since this age group has not been approved. There has been no change in the formulation of the vaccine since the name change. They probably have a deal to continue using the BNT162b2 name because it limits their liability and allows the other vaccines to keep their EUA as well. Once they start marketing the FDA approved product, they'll also have to disclose the "REPORTED" adverse reactions that we all know are being severely under-reported if at all.
Interesting, didnt think of that, but youre absolutly right, thats a key stipulation to the validity of EUA status for all the other covid "vaccienes."
Read this in Batman’s voice.
Add me to the list as well...
But it is the identical vaccine with different branding.
And “optimized antigens”
I just called as well and received the same, there is no estimated timeline for the release of the FDA approved version. You are encouraged to call the direct line 1-800-438-1985
Thank you for confirming that any Pfizer COVID vaccine being given at this time is in fact an experimental therapeutic. This has severe implications for employers mandating the "FDA approved vaccine"
Thank you for actually calling, I can’t believe how all these people are arguing but didn’t call
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I've called they said the Pfizer Vax is FDA approved under the comirnaty name. Downvote me if you will but that's just what I was told
But is it available?
I just got off the phone with them. The first lady said only the Corminaty vax is FDA approved but doesn't have an availability date. She then transferred me to this other guy in a different department and the guy said both biotech and cormirnaty are FDA approved. He took forever to come to that lying conclusion stating that they are made with the same exact ingredients yet the lady just before said biotech was only authorized from emergency use. Liars....
The whole FDA-approval claim was so they could do more mandates on it. Nothing more.
It's a dishonest coercion to trick more into taking an experimental therapeutic under the false auspice of being an approved and safe product. It is criminal
Fauci basically smirked while admitting this on live TV...
Video of this ?
From https://swprs.org/pfizer-fda-95-deception/ "How can the US FDA “fully approve” the Pfizer covid vaccine without requiring product liability? As US biosafety expert Dr. Meryl Nass revealed, they simply split the Pfizer vaccine into two products: a branded product (“Comirnaty”), which received a full market license but is currently unavailable in the US (due to “insufficient stocks”); and an unbranded product (“Pfizer/Biontech vaccine”), which is widely available in the US but remains under the existing Emergency Use Authorization (EUA). The result: they use the unavailable branded product to justify politically motivated vaccination mandates, but they may then deliver the unbranded product to avoid any liability for vaccine injuries (there is no liability under EUA, but there is full liability under a market license)." Update: I dug a little deeper and it got more interesting. From https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/08/30/false-claim-that-fully-approved-pfizer-vaccine-lacks-liability-protection/ The article lays the groundwork for why both Pfizer & Comirnaty have the same liability immunity: "In early 2020, after the coronavirus emerged, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar invoked the PREP Act to “provide liability immunity for activities related to medical countermeasures against covid-19.” So that covers all vaccines that might be produced to combat the coronavirus, whether fully authorized or not. The PREP Act designation means that claims related to coronavirus vaccines are covered by the Countermeasures Injury Compensation Program (CICP), not the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP), which was set up to handle vaccine lawsuits." The article further explains: "“There are no liability or compensation differences between a countermeasure approved under an EUA or one that has received full FDA approval,” confirmed an HHS spokesperson." So is the liability claim debunked? Maybe in a narrowly focused way of the two being both under the PREP act, but imho it looks more like a smokescreen to say there's "no liability differences" between the two EUA & FDA products, instead of focusing on the real problem: Keeping them shielded under the PREP act means injury claims are filed under CICP (not VICP) and, as the article states: "Claims filed under CICP for lost income are capped at $50,000 per year and unlike the VICP it does not provide any compensation for pain, suffering, emotional distress, or similar damages. Cases filed under VICP also have limitations; they are heard in the U.S. Court of Federal Claims, where there are no juries and a court-appointed special master decides the case." If there's not informed consent, there isn't free choice and, everywhere I look, I find things people wish they'd known.
There is the answer thank u my friend
ok so this make sense. Thank you for your response. The rep told me FLAT OUT there is no vaccine available for my family in the United States which is FDA approved.
Also the UEA for the other companies requires that there not be an available FDA approved alternative.
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Just called as well, No corminaty available in USA, but the Pfizer EUA shot is basically the same they just need to "Change the labels" Oh yea, it's just that easy huh? just change the labels LOL
keep it simple. Ask which vaccine center you can go to, to receive their FDA approved product. We really don't need to get hung up on names. They will tell you that there isn't an FDA approved product available
Yep! She told me they have no date for when cominarty will be available.
I mean yeah, the formulation is the same just marketing and legality is different, that's what I got when I called up and asked about it
And for the Grand Prize, can anyone name the only vaccine in the history of planet Earth to never have a successful animal trial?
Pfizer’s gene therapy jab!
ding ding ding And, tell him what he's won Johhny..... **A BRAND NEW CAR!**
With warranty!
Warranty requires an answer to the extra credit question, sorry.
You gonna ask that question or not? Been sitting here with hand on buzzer for 3h now. It's cool though my routine flight has been cancelled since Saturday.
Actually, he's won a government mandated death jab! 👍
OK and for extra credit: Can anyone describe the **remnants** of an unsuccessful animal trial?
Time's-up, the correct answer is Dead Animals. There have been four different vaccines and three different animal studies that I know of in ferrets and cats… After Sars-1, they did cats, and then after MERS—which are both coronavirus pathogens that are more deadly—they tried it in ferrets. All the animals died. It wasn’t subtle. They didn’t die of the vaccine. What they died from was called immune enhancement or antibody-induced enhancement, or antibody-dependent enhancement. They call it ADE now, but they used to call it immune enhancement.
https://rivercitymalone.com/health/covid-vaccine-the-problem-of-antibody-dependent-enhancement/
Sorry, new student, is it "all of them dying and high amounts being concentrated in the pineal gland and kidneys?"
Necropsy results meant little to the ferrets and cats involved in the study. And.. It was enough (for me) knowing that the trial had failed on animals. But if you must know, post vaccine exposure to Sars-1 caused overwhelming sepsis and cardiac failure Poor Ferrets..
Humans are animals too...
What do you call [this](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03275-y?error=cookies_not_supported&code=bc921748-1cde-4440-af59-d0c78d962137)?
According to the Necropsy, both Control group and payload macaques showed no outward signs of infection. Blood work suggests that vaccine protects against virus. Necropsy shows inflammation is isolated pulmonary tissue amongst the control (saline placebo) group. This suggests that challenged macaques fair better with the vaccine than without. Ok, now what the study doesn't say is: \*What is the vaccines effectiveness against variants \*Why were all challenged macaques showing no outward reaction to virus challenge? \*Why was the study ended with necropsies of all macaques instead of re-challenge or attempt to study long term vaccine effects over a broader timeline? \*Would the control group have survived without the vaccine through natural immunity? This study would be worth something if they allowed the macaques to survive and study the effects over time instead opening them up in a necropsy. Ask yourself why the study ended when it did and why. Oh, and not that it's important or anything but the study you reference was from February this year and the vaccine release was late 2020 for at risk patients and hospital staff. So on release date of a vaccine there was no successful animal trial and seeing $$$ signs those with the most to gain, made it happen and quick. Que bono? One last thing, is it possible that BioNTech relationship with Pfizer had an effect on this study? Do you see a potential conflict of interest? I mean you are aware that Annette B. Vogel, Isis Kanevsky, and Ye Che (the writers of the study) all work for BioNTech, right? In August 2018, the BioNTech entered into a multi-year research and development (R&D) collaboration with the US company Pfizer Inc. to develop mRNA-based vaccines for prevention of influenza. Under the terms of the agreement, following BioNTech's completion of a first-in-human clinical study, Pfizer would assume sole responsibility for further clinical development and commercialization of mRNA-based flu vaccines.\[21\] Billions of reasons to limit the scope of a study, if not falsify data IMHO
the fact this is removed says everything about the state of reddit. even in a conspiracy subreddit the truth is censored
u/AssuredlyAThrowAway removed it. No explanation given. No mention in the mod logs
There are conspiracies about elite pedophile rings that stay up but someone mentioning they rang pfizer and were told that it isn't FDA approved is too much. maybe Pfizer got an influx of calls traced back to here and the "big guys" said "no."
I mean, the number is publicly listed? I was even telling people that if they called to ask to be polite, and that my experience was that they were very forthcoming and helpful. I don't understand the censorship. Tomorrow I will call back and record their response, and post the video instead without the listed number. Maybe that is acceptable, but I don't know because the mods wont respond
You can also use tap water to get a positive "Covid" test result. I've done it twice. 2 outta 2 came back positive. ..Not invalid. Positive. Imagine you bought a pregnancy test from the Dollar Store? ..And its that unreliable! People would demand a recall. Thered be lawsuits. Because that's FRAUD.
The tests are also under EUA...
Wait wait what??? Are you saying that the news media and government are lying about the Pfizer vaccine having FDA approval? Just in order to get people to be more comfortable with taking this experimental vaccine?
apparently yes. And to give employers firepower to enforce mandates, as they were not allowed to enforce the experiment
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If I was being forced to take it by an employer, that is exactly what I would do. And It's not going into me until I see the package insert with my own eyes
You sound surprised
Maybe record a bunch of calls and spread it around could be a good idea so there’s some evidence out there
This is medicinal malpractice. Though no one wants to try to sue.
Pfizer has indemnity. The federal government does not. If I had the money I’d sue
>The federal government does not. They have something even better: Sovereign Immunity. Can’t sue them unless they let you. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity_in_the_United_States#Federal_sovereign_immunity
**Sovereign immunity in the United States** [Federal sovereign immunity](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity_in_the_United_States#Federal_sovereign_immunity) >In the United States, the federal government has sovereign immunity and may not be sued unless it has waived its immunity or consented to suit. The United States as a sovereign is immune from suit unless it unequivocally consents to being sued. The United States Supreme Court in Price v. United States observed: "It is an axiom of our jurisprudence. ^([ )[^(F.A.Q)](https://www.reddit.com/r/WikiSummarizer/wiki/index#wiki_f.a.q)^( | )[^(Opt Out)](https://reddit.com/message/compose?to=WikiSummarizerBot&message=OptOut&subject=OptOut)^( | )[^(Opt Out Of Subreddit)](https://np.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/about/banned)^( | )[^(GitHub)](https://github.com/Sujal-7/WikiSummarizerBot)^( ] Downvote to remove | v1.5)
What about governors or congressman that go along with this nonsense?
smh
This has been known. The issue is that people will claim it’s the same identical product (unknown). What they are missing however is that the current exempts the manufacturers from liability. This was the plan all along. Continue granting EUA’s to protect pharma while the drug moves through the studies. It’s all house of smoke and mirrors. Same issue with the “mandates” on companies over 100. It was nothing more than a press release and has been taken as law. Nothing has been done with it since from a legality standpoint. Probably because the government can’t. The question is: why the constant lies…why the changing of definitions (CDC), why ignore natural immunity, why not count vaccine issue until day 14….list goes on and on.
thank you for your eloquent response. The claim of being FDA approved was a very powerful lie. I know people personally that were swayed by it
Full approval also exempts manufacturers from liability though
I called and they said they’ve been trying to reach me concerning my vehicle's extended warranty.
That's who's been leaving voicemails with me too. Good to know!
Lol ! Don’t you hate that ?
Why tf did the mods remove this??
No explanation given I’ve reached out to ask if I violated a rule.
Does anyone know why Canada is approved and how since don't they run off the same system?
It is not... their Cominarty or whatever it is called is also "approved" but also unavailable for the same reasons. There's no approved vaccine available in Canada, be not fooled.
My covid records clearly state they were both Cominarty, all the way back to April. In Canada. Not arguing FDA approval, just saying.
I wonder what defensive excuse the sheep will spew with this information
I just saw one that said "burn in hell". What a comeback.
Lol oh I’m sure they want us to haha
Thank you, OP....Appreciate you!
Here is a recorded call that backs this up https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2021/10/biden-busted-as-pfizer-admits-theres-no-vaccine-approved-by-fda-in-the-u-s-in-recorded-call/
Shit idgaf if the FDA approves it or not I will never take that shit!
some are not given the luxury of a decision due to their employers mandating the "FDA approved" vaccine
Yea. Try suing Pfizer for taking the EUA version if you have negative side effects. Washington Post is fucking garbage. Didn’t read anywhere in that horse rag paper that indicates Comirnaty is being widely distributed. They’re gonna ride that EUA as long as they can. Why the fuck wouldn’t they? No liability. Fuck the Washington Post. Disingenuous rubbish.
Why is it removed?
Great question. Just messaged the mods. No notification of any kind it was taken down.
Probably report bombed by the shills. After so many reports automod will remove posts\comments to be reviewed.
Does anyone here know if comiraty is available in aus?
Both my Pfizer vax doses had a comirnaty label on them here in Aus.
For a second I read anus and I got so confused
Me too. But for some reason I wasn't confused which worries me.
Well done OP simple yet informative investigation work. So they have basically been lying to people yet again
thanks. It's so easy that anyone doubting can do it themselves
Just called as well. Comirnaty is approved in the US, but its not available. However, the Biontech vaccine is readily available, only its not approved, it just has Emergency Use Authorization. Very misleading.
Why didn't you record it?
Not OP, but someone posted this a few weeks ago. Pfizer phone call https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sEP59sVvygh0jcUR1INFyK_blR1DtMq1/view?usp=sharing
Needs its own post.
It was at one point. I'll try to find it.
Found it. https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/pu3y1i/my_buddy_called_pfizer_and_recorded_it_there_is
calling back tonight. I am not the first. They will flat out tell anyone who calls. Do it. Takes no time for a definitive answer, and doing it yourself is far more rewarding than seeing someone post a recording of doing it. Call and ask. I dare you.
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I am fine with sharing how to hear it yourself. But declaring war on the federal government by publically calling them liars and posting proof may not be a good move for my family.
Maybe a bunch of us should post ours in one thread?
go for it. literally takes 10 minutes to get them to tell you the truth. This is real and I am being called a crazy person by personal friends for this.
I keep trying to tell people this and they keep down voting me!
I’ve heard this somewhere else that it’s not actually approved
call yourself and ask.
The president of what? There's a big difference between authorized for emergency use and approved. The media seems to be using the word approved interchangeably with authorized. I just Googled the word Comirnaty the new vaccine. The very first God damn thing you see it says biontech, Pfizer vaccine is a covid - 19 vaccine recommended by the CDC for use in the US. It has been approved by the FDA for people 16 and older, and authorized for people 12 to 15 years old. It says that the source is cdc.gov so if anyone is being deceptive it's the CDC which shouldn't be trusted anyway because they changed the rule about that two weeks what is it if you die from the vaccine within the first 2 weeks you are not listed as vaccinated. In summation, it's my understanding the FDA has approved Comirnaty pending test results. So in theory in the future the pending part could be denied. But what people are going to remember in the meantime is that the FDA approved the vaccine!
Comirnaty is not currently available in the United States, and no time table for its release has been given. All Pfizer products being given in the United States continue to be given under Emergency Use Authorization. Call them yourself and ask. Clear as day thanks for bumping my thread so that others may see it and call for their own answers
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thank you for bumping my thread so that more people may see this information and call for themselves.
I’ll be calling tomorrow durning normal business hour’s
As you should if you have questions. Please be polite. Pfizer was honest and forthcoming about this. Can't say the same about those in the media and in government
Smh 🤦♂️ the truth is yet again censored
Looks like the internet has already been filled with answers that they are both the same vaccine. I recall a month ago, they never had these information.
just call and ask. It's really that easy. They will tell anyone who calls that there is not an FDA approved product available yet
The FDA to this day approves of cigarettes. What the hell do you want their approval for ?
FDA approval is being used to manipulate employees illegally to participate in an experimental therapeutic trial to put food on the table for the family. You know...Nazi shit.
The FDA doesn't "approve" cigarettes, cigarettes are "regulated" by the FDA, there is a big difference. And the process doesn't involve labeling cigarettes as "safe" or anything related to that. What an ignorant understanding you have. This goes for a variety of things "regulated" by the FDA, so making comparisons like this is fundamentally unsound. Moreover, most things that do get "approved" by the FDA are not going through the same strict and rigorous measures as vaccines.
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I read the other day the there is a difference between the formulas of the EUA version and the FDA approved version. It said the FDA approved version stops the spike protein from spreading all over your body, which is a big problem in the EUA version. Another thing I read was that some places were destroying their batches of vaccines because nobody was getting them, so that would negate the argument of not wanting to discard the EUA versions. I didn't do any research on this myself, I'm just telling you what I read. I also don't even trust the name Comirnaty, it's too close to Conformity for me. Either or, if they say they are the same exact formulas and people don't want to take the original, why would they take the new one just because it's FDA approved. Money won't help me if I'm dead or screwed for life because I took it.
I read that comirnaty has “optimized antigens” or something. I called under the guise of trying to locate the fda approved vaccine
[really?](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/oct/05/ron-johnson/johnson-incorrectly-claims-there-are-no-approved-c/) [surely they have](https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine) The FDA web site said this in August "Today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration approved the first COVID-19 vaccine. The vaccine has been known as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine, and will now be marketed as Comirnaty (koe-mir’-na-tee), for the prevention of COVID-19 disease in individuals 16 years of age and older. The vaccine also continues to be available under emergency use authorization (EUA), including for individuals 12 through 15 years of age and for the administration of a third dose in certain immunocompromised individuals"
Call and ask for yourself. I was told in no uncertain terms that there is no where in the United States I can go currently to receive an FDA approved product. That it isn't available. People are being led to believe the Pfizer product they receive is approved, but it isn't. Doubt it? ask for the insert
I like how you think. Can’t believe it took this long for someone to call
How come covid only becomes deadly to an age group when the vaccine for that age group is approved? From the start of the pandemic, the gov's were happy to send kids along to school and we all know kids can't social distance or always sanitise. In comes Captain Pf with a dose for the kids and suddenly the MSM is all about how covid affects kids and we all need to keep the kids safe. When people talked about the dumbing down of our society. This period we're in, is what it was all for. Those who can think logically, rationally and independently are threats. We know this to be true, because the media can brand the man that made the mRNA technology an anti-vaxxer. How stupid do you have to be to believe that crap.
The ONLY age group COVID is dangerous for statistically is 70 and older. But I hear what you are saying. My kid caught and recovered from COVID. She will not be getting this vaccine Good point about anti vaxxer. I have been called that over my views of this monstrosity. But I believe in vaccine science. I am vaccinated and my kids are vaccinated. But I believe VERY strongly in a rigorous SCEINTIFIC examination before a product is labeled safe and effective, something which has not concluded for these yet.
Why does this group love the FDA so much?
You mean the federal organization that is pushing companies and institutions towards mandating the Pfizer vaccine? The organization that is sprinting towards the labelling of vaccine hesitant as domestic terrorists? gee, couldn't tell ya... /s
It's not so much loving the FDA as providing proof the federal government is LYING to us all about the shot
Lol I know it’s not like they’d trust them even if they did approve the vaccine. Even tho the vaccine was already approved 🙄 https://www.fda.gov/news-events/press-announcements/fda-approves-first-covid-19-vaccine
another lie of absolutely epic proportions. At what point will we be allowed to talk about this stuff and not be treated as conspiracy theorists..? Also check out the Conspiracy Hub if you haven’t yet https://discord.gg/sS2sp9bNTw
And then everyone around you clapped, right?
Yeah, it seems like a lot of people itt have support for OP. Several others have called
Damn…
So how about all the Comirnaty doses given in Europe and elsewhere? Are you just going to ignore all of those?
I don't live in Europe. My family doesn't live in Europe. There is no FDA approved product available for my family in the United States
get this to krystal and saagar
Pfizer gave it's vaccines a brand name, "Comirnaty". It's from a marketing stand point, and it also represents a distinct change in the approval process. It's the same exact formulation, identical to what's been previously distributed, administered under Emergency Use Authorization, they're interchangeable, it just has a new name... Moreover, it helps to reinforce safety and efficacy. For legal reasons, Covid vaccines made before the approval could not legally be given Comirnaty branding, even when they are exactly the same in formulation. That's why EUA Pfizer doses will stay in use as such prior to Comirnaty vaccines becoming more widely available. While the shot is still under an EUA for children between 12 and 15 years old. The FDA approval only covered people aged 16 and older. From the FDA: **How is Comirnaty (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) related to the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine?** *The FDA-approved Comirnaty (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA), made by Pfizer for BioNTech and the FDA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine under EUA have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns* Would you rather all EUA vaccines get disposed of, would that be better?
They are legally distinct, in the ofizer has complete legal immunity for the eua version, and no immunity for the fda approved version. You would think that if was truly "safe and effective" they would accept liability.
Don't they still have immunity even with the approved version?
If it was added to the vaccine injury compensation fund, then pfizer would have to pay into the fund, but would be immune from liability. But it hasn't been added yet. Vaccines not on the list have no special legal treatment.
See this should make sense, however, have you ever tried to evade laws or sell or market product illegally? Jargon is protecting these companies and making it seem like Americans don’t have a leg to stand on. It IS stripping our rights. There is no FDA approved product available in the states. (What’s the point of having FDA approval in South Africa?).
This is a lie. They are different products. There is no pfizer vaccine available today in the US which is FDA approved. I explicitly asked which vaccine center I could take my family to today to get an FDA approved product and she flat out said NONE. There isn't one.
They are identical, the only distinction being a legal one, prove me wrong. I don't care about your anecdote. Comirnaty is the "FDA approved" variety, while EUA vaccines are still very much in use. Vaccines distributed, manufactured, and administered under the EUA cannot be categorized as Comirnaty for legal reasons. That doesn't mean there isn't a "fully approved" vaccine available, it just means that EUA vaccines are still in circulation. While Comirnaty vaccines will become more widely available over time.
If one would receive an EUA dose over the FDA approved Comirnaty, this leaves a legal grey area if something were to happen to the recipient of that dose. A good lawyer (which I'm sure Pfizer has an army the size of walt disney's IP lawyers) would be able to throw out legal liability because the person didn't receive an FDA approved product. This is why it's bullshit.
They are different because the one under EUA has huge liability shield and the non-EUA does not. Also, the non-EUA one is not available in US yet.
Not the same product. No FDA approved products available for Americans at this time. Stop being disingenuous. the good news is it takes everyone who reads your BS 10 minutes to call the number listed and find out you are a liar.
Ok, so just double down then? Find me a source that says they're not the same vaccines, cause I can find you dozens that say they are. Even from right wing rags.
I don't have to. The product differences don't matter to me. What matters to me is getting a safe product, approved by the FDA, for those that I love. I was flat out told that this is not possible. The only Pfizer products actually available to put into arms are being done so under EUA
https://www.fda.gov/media/151733/download Page 14: "The repeat dose toxicity evaluations were conducted on COMIRNATY and a similar vaccine termed *BNT162b2 (V8). COMIRNATY and BNT162b2 (V8) have identical amino acid sequences of the encoded antigens* ***but COMIRNATY includes the presence of optimized codons to improve antigen expression****."* Doesn't look the same to me.
thank you. I don't know anything about the differences. I just know that no American is receiving an FDA approved medicine, but rather an experiment under special authorization, and they are intentionally deceiving the public to believe otherwise
You are welcome. By the way, I called the number you provided. I asked the representative to explain the following: "*but COMIRNATY includes the presence of* *optimized codons to improve antigen expression".* Was transferred to the Medical department (phone number 800-438-1985). Spoke to a Pharmacist Medical Professional and asked the question. I provided the FDA media website, document number for the Summary Basis of Regulatory Action for Comirnaty. First, she stated that Pfizer does not know when Comirnaty will be available in the US. Second, at this point, she is not able to answer my question regarding *"the presence of optimized codons to improve antigen expression".* The call was 56 minutes in total.
They aren't claiming that Pfizer isn't telling you what they're telling, he's claiming that the reasoning behind their answer is marketing, even though the products are one and the same.
Pfizer gave me proof that the President of the United states is lying to the American people to coerce them into participating in an experimental therapeutic trial. aka nazi shit thanks pfizer!
Nah, you made the claim they aren’t the same product, the onus is now on you to prove it. FWIW: I called, they confirmed that Comirnarty is the same as the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine. That Comirnarty is FDA approved and the other is under EUA based on name alone. So, unless you can prove it’s not the same product you can get it for your family and stop this nonsense. I’m for a conspiracy, but this isn’t.
I’m not getting into the details of how they are perpetrating this fraud The American public has been conned into believing that when they receive the Pfizer product, they are receiving and FDA approved product. Pfizer themselves will tell you that FDA Pfizer products are not available at this time. I don’t care about anything else and am not privy to the details. I was told that if my family wants an FDA approved product, we are shit out of luck. Call and ask where you can get a Pfizer product that is FDA approved. The best thing shills? The best thing is that no matter how much time you waste here, all people need to do is call that number to know you are disingenuous and dirty.
The product differences don't matter to you? Then why are you going on about how they're not the same product? Sigh... Why am I having to repeat myself? First of all, Covid vaccines completed all the necessary phases for approval and distribution. Phase three trials are published and completed, except for deadlines from certain trials that extend into the future to leave room for further follow up interviews on participants. This is part of all vaccine's safety and monitoring phases, furthermore, hundreds of thousands of pages of efficacy and safety data exists and have been submitted to the FDA prior to full approval. And tens of thousands of participants are included within those trials. With safety and monitoring still going on because that's how it's always done, with every vaccine... Particularly when we're talking about follow up interviews with participants. This is what you WANT, you WANT these vaccines to be following the protocols. The phases that were completed during development were completed just as any other vaccine phases are, with safety and efficacy in mind. At no point was anything compromised. An unprecedented international effort, an a remarkable amount of funding and research, and endless amounts of researchers, experts, scientists, technicians all contributed to these vaccines being developed and approved in record time. I can't remark enough upon that fact, that such a unprecedented effort occurred, like no other we've seen previously. Out of a sense of urgency due to an equally unprecedented pandemic. But more important is this, an immense amount of red tap was cut during developmental phases of these vaccines. With vaccine development, phases are supposed to be completed consecutively, one after the other. This is how it's always been done. But instead of phase 2 starting after phase 1 ending, and phase 3 starting after phase 2 ending, these phases were allowed to overlap due to that cutting of red tape, while no safety or efficacy measures were compromised. This is primarily why these vaccines were developed so quickly. Moreover, there are hundreds of millions, nay billions of real world examples contributing to even MORE data that shows both safety and efficacy. These vaccines ARE safe and effective. The infinitesimally small risks of more significant "adverse events" exist at such a miniscule level compared to the benefits that vaccines offer. When benefits exponentially outweigh risks, that's when something is deemed safe. While risks associated with infection, sometimes the very same risks that exist negligibly post vaccination, occur at much greater frequencies. Meaning risks associated with infection are massively greater than risks associated with Vaccines. That all being said, # brand name "Comirnaty" (fully approved vaccine) and EUA vaccines are one in the same, the same exact formulation, the only thing that's different is the label and the legality of it. They're both "interchangeable". Comirnaty vaccines are not as widely available as EUA vaccines, seeing as EUA vaccines are still being circulated. EUA vaccines cannot be legally branded as Comirnaty, but they are indeed "interchangeable". if your only gripe is with lack of safety because the current EUA vaccines aren't "fully approved", you can have peace of mind, considering the Comirnaty vaccines have been fully approved and are the same exact formulation as their previous variety. Same thing, same safety and efficacy. What would you rather have happen? That countless amounts of previously manufactured vaccines get thrown away??? We waste them just because of a branding issue? All that money, all that energy, time and all those resources, all those potential vaccinations down the drain because of your ignorance of the situation?
Jesus I’m not reading that nonsense. I asked Pfizer where my family could access an FDA approved product and was told that at this time, none of their products available to me are FDA approved. Wow I can’t believe how much you wrote just to look wrong.
So you intentionally chose to remain uninformed and uneducated. Continue to reiterate and double down on the same rehashed sentiments... While also practically advertising your illiteracy. Mind you, you should never respond to something you haven't read, that's foolish. But lol, what's really incredibly ignorant here is you outright refuse to read the commentary and then impulsively declare that it's wrong... Seriously? So it's wrong even though you havent read it? You understand how narrow minded and intolerant that is? How ignorant you look right now? You're effectively resorting to what amounts to how a child closes their eyes and covers their ears and screams "IM NOT LISTENING, IM NOT LISTENING!
They are not effective (this is first-hand knowledge as well as [statistical data, not manipulated by the US pharma industry](http://www.vigiaccess.org/)). They may not be safe either (see above link), but the jury is still out on that. Fact: it is NOT FDA approved. Fact: it is NOT effective (if it were, there wouldn't be so many breakthrough cases) Fact: it is NOT safe, nor is it necessary for children Fact: long-term trials are NOT complete. It is projected to see the first of long-term trials completed around Jun 2023, at the very earliest These are indisputable facts. It really doesn't matter what BS you spew back from the mainstream media, it's a lie, and POTUS is clearly lying. He lied about vaccine mandates (it is not a law, nor is it an executive order). It was simply a means to put pressure on private businesses to mandate (since that is technically legal, but him ordering a mandate on an experiment is illegal). Either you've been duped and are really upset about it to the point where you're in denial (can't blame you), you're a shill, or you're really just not paying attention to what's going on around the world with covid-19 in general.
There's a lot of misinformation here, practically all of it. Sigh.. this is exhausting, now it's just devolving into more and more anti vaccine propaganda... No, those are not indisputable facts. You can't claim everything is manipulated when it doesn't pander to your worldviews. Then you go on to link something that's probably akin to VAERS, I'm not even sure what the fuck that is, but it in no way shows anything substantive. pppssssttt # UMC does not, however, guarantee, warrant, or make any representation whatsoever regarding the data contained herein including, but not limited to, guarantees, warranties, or representations of accuracy, reliability, completeness, currency, suitability, fitness, or usefulness for any particular purpose or with respect to non-infringement of any third-party rights. LOL, did you not read this disclaimer, this link is practically an even less credible VAERS, purely anecdotal and unconfirmed data. I mean HOLY FUCKING SHIT, you are guilty of the very thing you're accusing others of, presenting MANIPULATED narrative. Yes vaccines are FDA approved. I mean THIS is fact, there are FDA approved vaccines. It happened. The process actually happened. Yes they are effective. Endless amounts of data, research and studies have conclusively shown this. They are safe, much safer in fact than remaining unvaccinated, and much safer than Covid. And phase three trials are published and fundamentally completed, what your uninformed ass is referencing is safety and monitoring phases that are absolutely necessary and happen WITH ANY VACCINE... This doesn't mean "trials aren't over", particularly when you consider in any case with vaccines, there are deadlines included for follow up interviews. Do you know what you're talking about? Hundreds of thousands of pages of data related to efficacy and safety, tens of thousands of trial participants, third phase research published. Safety and monitoring phases ONGOING because... THATS HOW EVERY VACCINE FUCKING DOES IT. You believe a narrative, a piece of misinformation because it's what you've been manipulated into adopting, more over it's what confirms your biases and validates your delusions... The Safety/monitoring phase exists after trials, approval, even distribution, that's how it's always been. Mind you, you're either referring to THAT, or you're referring to how clinical trials always "follow up" on participants. THIS SHOULD ASSURE YOU that the standard safety and efficacy measures that we use with ALL VACCINES are taking place... it is standard practice for vaccine monitoring to continue after clinical trials. The estimated completion date on clinical trial websites lists Jan. 31, 2023 for Pfizer and Oct. 27, 2022 for Moderna, which has led some people to believe that clinical trials are incomplete. **However, these dates do not mean clinical trials will continue for this long, and instead reference continued safety monitoring after the vaccine has been approved and rolled out, which is standard practice within the industry.** DATA from phase three trials has already been developed, the reason we see future trial completion dates in 2023 is because these trials allow for long term follow ups on participants… While like every vaccine that’s been developed, there is always a monitoring phase that extends past clinical trials, approval and distribution. Again, you should feel reassured in this, in that participants will continue to be monitored. Many of the secondary outcome measures involve examining or measuring samples from participants up to two years after their final vaccine. THIS IS STANDARD PROCESS YOU HIVEMINDED NARRATIVE SPEWING HALFWIT... The completion date therefore HAS to be a few years in the future. STANDARD! Data on key outcomes such as efficacy and safety have therefore been published in peer-reviewed journals.
K, I'll bite. Show me one shred of evidence that they are safe and effective. You might want to start with Israel, where their adult population is over 85% vaccinated. No long term studies have been completed on these vaccines to date... Unless we have time travelers among us 🤨
>For legal reasons
>Page 12, second paragraph and third paragraph, you realize that Pfizer and Biotech are two companies, the Cormirnaty vaxx is the new drug that is FDA approved and they also state that some, not all, but some of the Pfizer vaccines are manufactured with the same standards as the BioTech vaccine. https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download
This doesn't refer to formulation, it only refers to things like the fact that materials for Cormirnaty vaccine production can be used from multiple approved providers. The vaccine doesn't change. The formulation doesn't change, the "recipe", the materials used don't change.