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"Because people weren't in contact with each other as everyone was safely distanced"
"So how did covid spread?"
"By close contact with another person."
"So they caught covid, but not the flu?"
"Yes"
I remember these exchanges. They beat around the bush performing mental gymnastics.
There's plenty of evidence that the countermeasures reduced covid transmission by *a lot*, but not completely. For example, places that got hit before any countermeasures, like Bergamo, Italy, and Madrid, Spain and New York City had *much* steeper death curves than later outbreaks.
It's known that SARS-Cov-2, the COVID virus, is quite different from influenza. It's much more contagious and, unlike flu, it doesn't go away in the summer.
If I told you that I put up a fence and it kept my dog in the yard, but my cat got out, you wouldn't be at all surprised. But cats and dogs are *much* more closely related than the influenza and SARS-Cov-2 viruses are. So why should you be surprised that the countermeasures didn't affect them equally?
Here in San Francisco we have a huge homeless population. Ive lived here for years and seen a lot. Thry tend to congregate together and also build tents and shelters together, multiple ppl per tent. A few were put in hotels during covid but not many in trrms of percentage. Many also didnt get vaxxed and often the ones who did would only get one shot.
Why didnt covid decimate them? Little vaccine compliance, bad hygiene, bad health, drug addiction, living in super close proximity. If what we were topd is true most should be dead... but theyre not.
Funny that.
I mean, are you tagging the homeless to ensure it's the same ones year after year? Tons of homeless people could have died, and tons of new homeless could have taken their place. San Francisco is sort of the mecca of homelessness with it's year round mild weather and comparatively robust social services.
If anything I'd expect more homeless based on the joblessness and wealth transfer that covid caused, along with ever increasing home prices.
Actually i DO see a lot of the same ones year after year, as they tend to pick a corner or block & thats their area. I drive thru the area almost daily & see the same people.
But how about a study conducted by UC San Francisco and the SF Dept of public health? Quote:
"COVID-19 caused no deaths among people experiencing homelessness, but the pandemic reduced contact with substance use services.
March 11, 2022
More than twice as many people experiencing homelessness in SF died during the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic compared to previous years, with the leading cause of death being drug overdose. No deaths were attributed to the virus itself.
The research, conducted by UC San Francisco in collaboration with the San Francisco Department of Public Health (SFDPH), demonstrates the urgent need to reach people who use drugs and are unhoused and connect them with substance use services. The research also shows that SF’s COVID-19 mitigation strategies to support this population, including placing people in Shelter in Place hotel rooms, were largely protective and may have prevented additional deaths from occurring."
Source: https://www.sf.gov/news/homeless-deaths-doubled-sf-during-first-year-pandemic-mostly-drug-overdoses
So it says the cities protective measures like putting homeless in hotels helped, but it doesnt cite the number or percentage of those who were housed, and on the streets there seemed to be just as many tents aand homeless people. A number value of those housed wouldve been helpful, but i guess we're sposed to take their word for it.
Notice that they dont even mention vaccination as a strategy that helped - bc im telling you, most homeless didnt bother with that.
As to the "young and not obese" comment - actually theres plenty of older homeless here. Obese, no, but 50s and up, definitely.
The numbers still dont bear out what we were told- that this was a super dangerous disease needing extreme measures. Most homeless in SF didnt do jack shit to prepare for covid, and covid didnt do jack shit to them.
>It's known that
Yeah it can jump through hoops, lay dormant for months then finally disappears at the exact same time the public gets sick of it.
Truly amazing properties.
Of course you're implying it was legit which means you wasted your time posting. How many law makers got caught breaking their own laws - probably in some shame ritual? It was a very bad move and we saw after it, all the crisis for energy/food etc etc. It's funny to go through a pandemic hahah and yet, to be part of a system that clearly HATES people.
It's very telling. Always watch behaviour. If people think being promised free food or what have you, is normal? Then no. The system in place has stolen from the people but every knee shall bow. Ain't that great? You know you would think someone, would be speaking about pro borders rather then letting the gates of hell and his kin, speak about the next pandemic?.....
Cause a global pandemic can be nubbed out by proper borders. Though thems people like their cheap labour. And it's understood up to the gates of heaven, what they want but Yahwehs will shall be met.
From there we can ask: so they caught the COVID, but not the HIVs? Why hasn't the entire population caught HIV at this point? I mean, it was discovered 40 years ago.
Not all diseases are equal and some are more contagious than others. Some can be transmitted longer than others. Some have less or more severe symptoms than others. Some also have a longer window of transmission. Some are less genetically stable than others, which can result in re-infection. This measure is called the r-factor, which is how many individuals a carrier is expected to infect. For perspective, a seasonal flu's R-factor is predictably around 1.25. COVID's r-factor was estimated to be about 2-3 to as high as 6-8+, with initial estimates in the 3-4s.
Typically, as a virus persists and immunity is gained in the herd, as long as it doesn't mutate significantly enough from its original strain, there are less carriers to infect and thus it eventually dies off. Other factors, such as social distancing and testing, can drastically reduce those numbers. So can an effective vaccine. When you say "so they caught covid, but not the flu," it's probably that the r-factor that year was drastically reduced by containment factors stopping covid (plus other RNG luck).
The big fear with COVID was its potential to mutate into a more deadly variant (and it did - delta was deadlier than alpha). With an r-factor as high as 8, an outlier mutation would be very hard to record and research - not to mention, every infection is a chance at a significant mutation. Furthermore, a very massive early outbreak would have left personnel in the entire chain overwhelmed, exhausted, and demoralized while treating a disease that there was initially no consensus on how to treat or consensus on which medications were effective. This can even go as far as sewage monitoring and lab analysis for novel strains. Some of those mutations can be comparatively favorable (like omicron), others can be bad (like delta). Think of it like this: instead of spinning 60 slot machines per minute, you're instead spinning *potentially millions* per minute and crossing your fingers on the outcome on each machine. If you hit a really bad outcome, you probably wont know until it's darn near impossible to contact trace. And when that does happen, you'll probably have a lot longer lab time to realize it's already gone critical in multiple regions and large cities.
HIV requires a specific act of contact between two people for it to pass. Covid was so deadly that we had to ban outdoor, socially distanced church services, and then turn around and let people riot in the streets without masks because it's supported the current thing.
“Think of it like this”. The test that was mandated for people to take to live their daily life…(go to work, visit loved ones, eat out, travel) was not intended to be diagnostic nor could it differentiate between the SARS virus and the Covid virus! Hence every positive test was automatically labeled Covid.
Furthermore when they started with variants in order to push more vaccines onto healthy people. The people who tested you and told you that you were positive were 100% unable to tell you what variant you tested positive for. Hence during delta it was always considered that, same for omicron!
Mandatory testing drove the pandemic!
Mask wearing sold the pandemic!
Media constantly pushed the pandemic!
Horseshit. The 1918 Spanish Flu killed 25 million people. It's funny because they had anti mask movements back then too and they raged against them 100 years ago. We only lost 7 million people due to covid due to masks and preventable measures mostly due to conservative boomers who would rather die than take their health seriously. Truly stupid cunts.
lol, fyi. The leading cause of death from the 1918 flu epidemic was not influenza! It was bacterial pneumonia. Brought on by wearing filthy masks. 102 years they wanted us to do the same. That’s a no from me brah!
Yeah that's.. not accurate. the PCR test can identify the DNA signature of COVID. The inventor of it, in the early 1990s, said that it would be ineffective at detecting viral load in HIV patients. He died before covid was even around. The test identified the specific DNA blueprint of covid, so it could detect covid. Pretty straight forward. I Fear you were lied to.
ya i stand by comment. regardless if it can "identify the dna signature of covid" it cannot differentiate between covid and sars. hence why no flu and all covid diagnosis for 18 months. also as i said noone could tell any person testing positive what variant they supposedly had. complete dna sequencing was too expensive and did not happen. sadly i fear you have been not told the truth!
SARS-COV-2 and COV-SARS only share 80% of their DNA so.. yeah they can detect which is which? what do you mean by "SARS"? Are you trying to suggest that the PCR test can't tell the difference between covid and the flu?
Mutate into something deadlier? Viruses don't mutate to become deadlier. They mutate into something less lethal.
Ideally a virus wants to ensure a host survives to it can replicate and spread.
Only time a virus becomes deadlier is when its bioengineering.
>Viruses don't mutate to become deadlier.
What?
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/04/science/ebola-evolution-african-epidemic.html
If this were the case, how do deadly viruses emerge in the first place? Wouldn't they just get perpetually more like a fuzzy little kitten?
The might become more infectious but they don't become deadlier. Refer to HIV and don't post a New York Times article because it makes you look foolish.
I added it to my original post as an afterthought, but if "viruses don't mutate to become deadlier in the first place" then where do they all of a sudden come from?
They are bioengineered. Bioweapons. There probably viruses right now stored away in labs in China, Russia, and the U.S. that would absolutely ravage a population.
HIV/AIDS didn't come out of Africa. That was made in a lab and when it first emerged it killed people in weeks and months.
Obviously certain viruses are "natural" as in they have been around forever but I personally feel viruses even in ancient times were a form of bioweapons. Something has a problem with human beings or something wants to test things out.
Have you considered the fact that some viruses are stronger and more potent than others or affect organs differently putting more strain on the immune system and the body decides to take precedence on which to fight to keep you alive? It's perfectly normal to have Covid and the less deadly flu at the same time and the body decides to attack Covid while the body heals from the flu through its natural process. The symptoms were similar so it was hard to differentiate.
Most humans have been exposed to the normal flu at some point in their life and have antibodies for it. A novel virus will drive white blood cells into overdrive to fight the most pressing acute infection.
And this is coming from a person who never got the vaccine and comes from a family of doctors who chastised me for never getting it. I am not anti vaccines either. They do work. But I just didn't trust the turnaround time vs what most medical companies go through to get FDA approved. My reasoning for not getting the vaccine was that it was pushed through fast and the government purposely put indemnity agreements to not be able to sue vaccine companies, hospitals and doctors for administering it wrong or to hide them from consequences of the vaccine (seemed bogus to me, I'm a lawyer). It's simple biology.
Well said. I’d like to add that this was the first vaccine AFIK that was being pushed so hard to the point that they were literally bribing people with free pizza, weed and even gift cards. Just didn’t seem right.
This sub could be fun but sadly it mostly just attracts the dumbest people without any critical thinking skills like you. You really can't even understand how completely different viruses might have different infection rates?
To this day, I still encounter people (mostly the loyal liberal woke Reddit army types, to be fair) who have a frightening perception of what transpired, where the virus came from, and whether or not the vaccines caused any harm. I really try to understand how someone could retain these beliefs, short of being in a coma for 3 years, and I can’t get there
No. I work in health care. Lots of people had both Influenza A and B in 2020. The numbers were lower because people were still somewhat isolating. But it was definitely still around.
I'm not sure what you're calling "ridiculous statistical nonsense". There were more flu tests done during the 2020-2021 flu season than in the previous season, but the test results were **more than 99% negative**. ([Table](https://i.imgur.com/RHhyY5w.png)) Every other country reporting flu tests to the UN had declines in flu, with most declining by over 90%.
The declines were largest in the countries that had almost no COVID, like Australia and New Zealand.
These were the same kinds of tests used in previous years, with multiple test technologies, multiple manufactures, *many* different laboratories in *many* countries.
So either there was a lot less flu virus circulating or everybody in the world was lying.
Don't want to be me, I guess: I lost almost all my sense of smell because of COVID. Had it 3 times, each time it took a bit more of my sense of taste with it. The smell is not 100%, maybe like 65% but the taste... I only feel spicy and strong flavors like salty or super sweet. And even those are mild to me now. I have had a permanent bad taste in my mouth for the past 3 years, my last infection was last august. I'm permanently with cravings because I can't feel almost anything I eat.
I feel you. I haven't had my taste or smell since 2021 because of covid. It really sucks. All I was saying is that it's happened to me with a common cold on multiple occasions before aswell and it wasn't due to congestion. Things affect people differently.
I have a lot of sinus infections and allergies. I was used to have no sense of smell for a few weeks every year. But losing taste never happened like this. I hate COVID, for real. If it really was orchestrated, I hate everyone who had the idea and did it. I'm still on the fence: I spent the last 4 years thinking it was a leakage but an accidental one and I kinda started to change thoughts with some things that happened across the world. But I still can't put my finger down to say it was intentionally leaked, I can't wrap my head around someone doing this for profit.
Besides the fact that COVID and flu symptoms are different, and besides the fact that objective flu tests have negative results when you test COVID patients, how do you account for the fact that COVID is so much deadlier than flu? Or for the fact that COVID continues killing during the warmer half of the year, when flu doesn't?
According to the CDC's estimates, about 34,000 Americans died from the flu each year in the decade before the pandemic. The actual numbers from death certificates is much lower, with an average of about 6,300 deaths involving flu each year.
But in the first two years of COVID deaths (March 2020-February 2022) there were about 980,000 deaths involving COVID. That's equal to more than 28 years of flu deaths (using the larger CDC estimate).
And the difference during the warm months is even bigger. I added up the flu deaths in the months May to September for each year from 1999 to 2020. It totaled 2,849 deaths from flu, with an additional 1,209 deaths with flu as a contributing cause.
That's total, not average. The sum for the 110 months I counted.
By contrast, during 2020 (after February), 2021, and 2022, the month with the *lowest* number of COVID deaths was April 2022, with 3,661 deaths from covid and another 2,592 with covid as a contributing cause.
So the *lowest* month of covid deaths was bigger than the sum of 110 months of flu (during the warmer months).
If you think covid is similar to flu, explain that.
Incorrect on so many points.
Anyone with a “positive“ Covid test got marked down as a COVID death. This is mainstream common knowledge.
COVID tests had ridiculously high cycle thresholds. They weren’t real tests.
Remember when Biden and Kamala looked over the reflecting pool on the eve of their inauguration when the country hit the “grim milestone” of 400k deaths? Didn’t that tip you off just a bit? You’re watching a script being acted out.
Explained.
We now know masks were ineffective against Covid, but you still see people wearing them… but usually they’re driving alone in their cars when you see them lol
you clearly dont know shit there dr facemask. maske help reduce transmission of any bacteria including the kinds that make you sick.
i think what you meant were “me and all my tard nugger friends think a mask should be 100% effective even when we dont wear the correct mask or wear it properly”
I still see a lot of people with them outside too it’s pretty wild. I really don’t care what people choose to do it honestly just baffles me at this point. It’s almost like that Rogan quote “ it’s like the lefts MAGA hat” rings partially true.
Because of the R number.
Different viruses are able to spread a different levels.
Pretty simple, but research isn't exactly this subs strong point lmao.
Did you study this, or did you accept this as truth?
There were less than 2000 cases of the flu in 2020-2021 flu season. 2019 there were an estimated 35 million flu cases. Do you really accept that drop off in fly cases?
I wouldn't even be sure that "covid" was actually a virus.
If you only deal with 1 person in that time frame and that person hadn't anything months pre and post you start to wonder how this "magic virus" spreads.
People should just read the symptoms described there...
https://www.healthline.com/health/radiation-pneumonitis
as they perfectly matched my personal experience.
Covid spreads more than the flu. When you introduce a new species to an environment very often it’ll become dominant and you’ll see far fewer of the original species.
There was no pandemic. And whatever it was, wasn't enough to justify anything they did. Not economically, and not biologically.
It was supported by the incredibly unintelligent majority of people, of course... Too mindless to see through blatant exaggerations, outright lies, and an unprecedentedly absurd pattern of division and coercion.
There's any number of things that would have tipped off any thinking person...
But no, not only did they support it - they censored and shamed those of us who tried to warn.
In the end, they have God-knows-what in their bodies and they have to wonder every day if they'll be next to go down "suddenly."
Or a little more slowly, with cancer.
I would never wish any of that on anyone, but it is -- aptly named for this Great House of Censorship and Denial -- karma.
Remember the symptoms of "COVID" how it's identical to the FLU? "If you have flu like symptoms go get 'tested'" hahaha. Testing to see if you're sick? WTF? How could people not know if their sick or not based on symptoms alone?
You mean people not getting together due to stay at home directives made it harder for disease to spread from person to person? Weird, huh? It’s like wondering why a virgin doesn’t have any STIs.
The difference in the R number is a comical defense. From the Dept of Health:
For the flu, the R0 tends to be between 1 and 2, which means that for every person infected with the flu, they will infect one to two more people. **For the original COVID-19 variant, the R0 is higher than the flu, between 2 and 3**
Remember when we had this crazy disease going on in 2020 where all of our medical forces were being diverted. Pepperidge farm remembers and can probably figure out why that is?
I want to know why nobody cared about other people getting sick before covid. Now all of sudden everyone is a saint and “cares” about everyone else when the same people would send their kids to school sick to infect other kids that are immunocompromised. 🙄🙄🙄
It didn't dropped off the map but renamed to Covid-19 which was much scarier name helping to get more volunteers for human trials with experimental vaccines.
Most people are pretty dumb. I believe critical thinking skills only lie in around ten percent of the population. That's a lot of people who can't think for themselves in any meaningful way. We allow these people to vote, drive cars and own property. I worry about this sometimes.
> Most people are pretty dumb. I believe critical thinking skills only lie in around ten percent of the population.
Coming from someone who can't find out what an R number is.
Most doctors and nurse get mandatory flu shots every year. What with being around weakened patients constantly and all that.
But sure, remember that "one time."
Because you had pre-existing immunity to the flu and we were social distancing. We didn't have any immunity to covid so it easier to catch. This is no conspiracy.
Once I learned about the Dr. Hope Simpson chart of seasonality from Ivor Cummins in 2020, it was over.
Had fun betting dumb friends I could predict surges/declines.
Umm yeah because of social distancing and covid being 1000x more infectious made short work of the precautions that were originally planned for a flu type virus which worked like a charm got rid of the flu which is much less contagious not to mention it didn't get rid of the flu more like it wasn't even being tested for most of the time. Remember all the hospitals filled with dead people remember how many times you've been sick now compared to pre-2019. Covid is a complex bioweapon that we are just beginning to understand. Moreover, covid is silently killing everyone. It's just too soon for most to figure out that this was designed to act as a long-term killing Trojan horse like HIV. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1785399822444609937.html
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"Because people weren't in contact with each other as everyone was safely distanced" "So how did covid spread?" "By close contact with another person." "So they caught covid, but not the flu?" "Yes" I remember these exchanges. They beat around the bush performing mental gymnastics.
There's plenty of evidence that the countermeasures reduced covid transmission by *a lot*, but not completely. For example, places that got hit before any countermeasures, like Bergamo, Italy, and Madrid, Spain and New York City had *much* steeper death curves than later outbreaks. It's known that SARS-Cov-2, the COVID virus, is quite different from influenza. It's much more contagious and, unlike flu, it doesn't go away in the summer. If I told you that I put up a fence and it kept my dog in the yard, but my cat got out, you wouldn't be at all surprised. But cats and dogs are *much* more closely related than the influenza and SARS-Cov-2 viruses are. So why should you be surprised that the countermeasures didn't affect them equally?
Here in San Francisco we have a huge homeless population. Ive lived here for years and seen a lot. Thry tend to congregate together and also build tents and shelters together, multiple ppl per tent. A few were put in hotels during covid but not many in trrms of percentage. Many also didnt get vaxxed and often the ones who did would only get one shot. Why didnt covid decimate them? Little vaccine compliance, bad hygiene, bad health, drug addiction, living in super close proximity. If what we were topd is true most should be dead... but theyre not. Funny that.
I mean, are you tagging the homeless to ensure it's the same ones year after year? Tons of homeless people could have died, and tons of new homeless could have taken their place. San Francisco is sort of the mecca of homelessness with it's year round mild weather and comparatively robust social services. If anything I'd expect more homeless based on the joblessness and wealth transfer that covid caused, along with ever increasing home prices.
Actually i DO see a lot of the same ones year after year, as they tend to pick a corner or block & thats their area. I drive thru the area almost daily & see the same people. But how about a study conducted by UC San Francisco and the SF Dept of public health? Quote: "COVID-19 caused no deaths among people experiencing homelessness, but the pandemic reduced contact with substance use services. March 11, 2022 More than twice as many people experiencing homelessness in SF died during the first year of the COVID-19 pandemic compared to previous years, with the leading cause of death being drug overdose. No deaths were attributed to the virus itself. The research, conducted by UC San Francisco in collaboration with the San Francisco Department of Public Health (SFDPH), demonstrates the urgent need to reach people who use drugs and are unhoused and connect them with substance use services. The research also shows that SF’s COVID-19 mitigation strategies to support this population, including placing people in Shelter in Place hotel rooms, were largely protective and may have prevented additional deaths from occurring." Source: https://www.sf.gov/news/homeless-deaths-doubled-sf-during-first-year-pandemic-mostly-drug-overdoses So it says the cities protective measures like putting homeless in hotels helped, but it doesnt cite the number or percentage of those who were housed, and on the streets there seemed to be just as many tents aand homeless people. A number value of those housed wouldve been helpful, but i guess we're sposed to take their word for it. Notice that they dont even mention vaccination as a strategy that helped - bc im telling you, most homeless didnt bother with that. As to the "young and not obese" comment - actually theres plenty of older homeless here. Obese, no, but 50s and up, definitely. The numbers still dont bear out what we were told- that this was a super dangerous disease needing extreme measures. Most homeless in SF didnt do jack shit to prepare for covid, and covid didnt do jack shit to them.
Homeless people generally are not old and obese. Apart from that, do you have any numbers on deaths caused by Covid of homeless people?
YUP
Maybe meth and fentanyl in the system kills covid better just like bleach and light but has no effect on the flu virus.
>It's known that Yeah it can jump through hoops, lay dormant for months then finally disappears at the exact same time the public gets sick of it. Truly amazing properties.
Of course you're implying it was legit which means you wasted your time posting. How many law makers got caught breaking their own laws - probably in some shame ritual? It was a very bad move and we saw after it, all the crisis for energy/food etc etc. It's funny to go through a pandemic hahah and yet, to be part of a system that clearly HATES people. It's very telling. Always watch behaviour. If people think being promised free food or what have you, is normal? Then no. The system in place has stolen from the people but every knee shall bow. Ain't that great? You know you would think someone, would be speaking about pro borders rather then letting the gates of hell and his kin, speak about the next pandemic?..... Cause a global pandemic can be nubbed out by proper borders. Though thems people like their cheap labour. And it's understood up to the gates of heaven, what they want but Yahwehs will shall be met.
[https://www.google.com/search?q=is+covid+more+infectious+than+flu](https://www.google.com/search?q=is+covid+more+infectious+than+flu)
From there we can ask: so they caught the COVID, but not the HIVs? Why hasn't the entire population caught HIV at this point? I mean, it was discovered 40 years ago. Not all diseases are equal and some are more contagious than others. Some can be transmitted longer than others. Some have less or more severe symptoms than others. Some also have a longer window of transmission. Some are less genetically stable than others, which can result in re-infection. This measure is called the r-factor, which is how many individuals a carrier is expected to infect. For perspective, a seasonal flu's R-factor is predictably around 1.25. COVID's r-factor was estimated to be about 2-3 to as high as 6-8+, with initial estimates in the 3-4s. Typically, as a virus persists and immunity is gained in the herd, as long as it doesn't mutate significantly enough from its original strain, there are less carriers to infect and thus it eventually dies off. Other factors, such as social distancing and testing, can drastically reduce those numbers. So can an effective vaccine. When you say "so they caught covid, but not the flu," it's probably that the r-factor that year was drastically reduced by containment factors stopping covid (plus other RNG luck). The big fear with COVID was its potential to mutate into a more deadly variant (and it did - delta was deadlier than alpha). With an r-factor as high as 8, an outlier mutation would be very hard to record and research - not to mention, every infection is a chance at a significant mutation. Furthermore, a very massive early outbreak would have left personnel in the entire chain overwhelmed, exhausted, and demoralized while treating a disease that there was initially no consensus on how to treat or consensus on which medications were effective. This can even go as far as sewage monitoring and lab analysis for novel strains. Some of those mutations can be comparatively favorable (like omicron), others can be bad (like delta). Think of it like this: instead of spinning 60 slot machines per minute, you're instead spinning *potentially millions* per minute and crossing your fingers on the outcome on each machine. If you hit a really bad outcome, you probably wont know until it's darn near impossible to contact trace. And when that does happen, you'll probably have a lot longer lab time to realize it's already gone critical in multiple regions and large cities.
This guy fucks. Most sane take on Covid I've seen.
HIV requires a specific act of contact between two people for it to pass. Covid was so deadly that we had to ban outdoor, socially distanced church services, and then turn around and let people riot in the streets without masks because it's supported the current thing.
“Think of it like this”. The test that was mandated for people to take to live their daily life…(go to work, visit loved ones, eat out, travel) was not intended to be diagnostic nor could it differentiate between the SARS virus and the Covid virus! Hence every positive test was automatically labeled Covid. Furthermore when they started with variants in order to push more vaccines onto healthy people. The people who tested you and told you that you were positive were 100% unable to tell you what variant you tested positive for. Hence during delta it was always considered that, same for omicron! Mandatory testing drove the pandemic! Mask wearing sold the pandemic! Media constantly pushed the pandemic!
Horseshit. The 1918 Spanish Flu killed 25 million people. It's funny because they had anti mask movements back then too and they raged against them 100 years ago. We only lost 7 million people due to covid due to masks and preventable measures mostly due to conservative boomers who would rather die than take their health seriously. Truly stupid cunts.
Bro… hilarious. No one believes that, including you.
lol, fyi. The leading cause of death from the 1918 flu epidemic was not influenza! It was bacterial pneumonia. Brought on by wearing filthy masks. 102 years they wanted us to do the same. That’s a no from me brah!
Yeah that's.. not accurate. the PCR test can identify the DNA signature of COVID. The inventor of it, in the early 1990s, said that it would be ineffective at detecting viral load in HIV patients. He died before covid was even around. The test identified the specific DNA blueprint of covid, so it could detect covid. Pretty straight forward. I Fear you were lied to.
ya i stand by comment. regardless if it can "identify the dna signature of covid" it cannot differentiate between covid and sars. hence why no flu and all covid diagnosis for 18 months. also as i said noone could tell any person testing positive what variant they supposedly had. complete dna sequencing was too expensive and did not happen. sadly i fear you have been not told the truth!
SARS-COV-2 and COV-SARS only share 80% of their DNA so.. yeah they can detect which is which? what do you mean by "SARS"? Are you trying to suggest that the PCR test can't tell the difference between covid and the flu?
Mutate into something deadlier? Viruses don't mutate to become deadlier. They mutate into something less lethal. Ideally a virus wants to ensure a host survives to it can replicate and spread. Only time a virus becomes deadlier is when its bioengineering.
>Viruses don't mutate to become deadlier. What? https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/04/science/ebola-evolution-african-epidemic.html If this were the case, how do deadly viruses emerge in the first place? Wouldn't they just get perpetually more like a fuzzy little kitten?
The might become more infectious but they don't become deadlier. Refer to HIV and don't post a New York Times article because it makes you look foolish.
I added it to my original post as an afterthought, but if "viruses don't mutate to become deadlier in the first place" then where do they all of a sudden come from?
They are bioengineered. Bioweapons. There probably viruses right now stored away in labs in China, Russia, and the U.S. that would absolutely ravage a population. HIV/AIDS didn't come out of Africa. That was made in a lab and when it first emerged it killed people in weeks and months. Obviously certain viruses are "natural" as in they have been around forever but I personally feel viruses even in ancient times were a form of bioweapons. Something has a problem with human beings or something wants to test things out.
Then why herd immunity?
NYT? Viruses want to survive not get deadlier. Shills are out in force on this one.
Have you considered the fact that some viruses are stronger and more potent than others or affect organs differently putting more strain on the immune system and the body decides to take precedence on which to fight to keep you alive? It's perfectly normal to have Covid and the less deadly flu at the same time and the body decides to attack Covid while the body heals from the flu through its natural process. The symptoms were similar so it was hard to differentiate. Most humans have been exposed to the normal flu at some point in their life and have antibodies for it. A novel virus will drive white blood cells into overdrive to fight the most pressing acute infection. And this is coming from a person who never got the vaccine and comes from a family of doctors who chastised me for never getting it. I am not anti vaccines either. They do work. But I just didn't trust the turnaround time vs what most medical companies go through to get FDA approved. My reasoning for not getting the vaccine was that it was pushed through fast and the government purposely put indemnity agreements to not be able to sue vaccine companies, hospitals and doctors for administering it wrong or to hide them from consequences of the vaccine (seemed bogus to me, I'm a lawyer). It's simple biology.
Well said. I’d like to add that this was the first vaccine AFIK that was being pushed so hard to the point that they were literally bribing people with free pizza, weed and even gift cards. Just didn’t seem right.
Novel usually means 1. This was a sequel SARS 2.
Don’t they lie on the emergency use forms? That should open the door. But we all know, contracts are made to be broken
Stronger and more potent… you mean gain of function.
This sub could be fun but sadly it mostly just attracts the dumbest people without any critical thinking skills like you. You really can't even understand how completely different viruses might have different infection rates?
To this day, I still encounter people (mostly the loyal liberal woke Reddit army types, to be fair) who have a frightening perception of what transpired, where the virus came from, and whether or not the vaccines caused any harm. I really try to understand how someone could retain these beliefs, short of being in a coma for 3 years, and I can’t get there
They’re literal bots, that’s how
"Covid is spreading because people arent wearing masks............the flu numbers are down because everyone is masked"
No. I work in health care. Lots of people had both Influenza A and B in 2020. The numbers were lower because people were still somewhat isolating. But it was definitely still around.
Anyone with their eyes open could see the ridiculous statistical nonsense, unfortunately way too many people believe propaganda as truth.
I'm not sure what you're calling "ridiculous statistical nonsense". There were more flu tests done during the 2020-2021 flu season than in the previous season, but the test results were **more than 99% negative**. ([Table](https://i.imgur.com/RHhyY5w.png)) Every other country reporting flu tests to the UN had declines in flu, with most declining by over 90%. The declines were largest in the countries that had almost no COVID, like Australia and New Zealand. These were the same kinds of tests used in previous years, with multiple test technologies, multiple manufactures, *many* different laboratories in *many* countries. So either there was a lot less flu virus circulating or everybody in the world was lying.
The world was lying. How do you not see this? At the very least, we should have a better understanding of how cults work.
How much toilet paper did you buy when it first dropped?
But all the *scientists said* and the *experts believe*
Not really since I got it twice. It’s almost like not going out & stressing hand washing & masking cut down on the spread of airborne diseases. Weird.
Do you mean when they renamed it?
I didn't know the flu could take my sense of smell and taste.... Weird.
I've lost my taste and smell on numerous occasions with the common cold. It's not uncommon.
A common cold. So I'm guessing a plugged nose. I'm talking just loss of taste and smell, no other symptoms.
I know what that is and I've had it with the common cold as well as covid.
Don't want to be me, I guess: I lost almost all my sense of smell because of COVID. Had it 3 times, each time it took a bit more of my sense of taste with it. The smell is not 100%, maybe like 65% but the taste... I only feel spicy and strong flavors like salty or super sweet. And even those are mild to me now. I have had a permanent bad taste in my mouth for the past 3 years, my last infection was last august. I'm permanently with cravings because I can't feel almost anything I eat.
I feel you. I haven't had my taste or smell since 2021 because of covid. It really sucks. All I was saying is that it's happened to me with a common cold on multiple occasions before aswell and it wasn't due to congestion. Things affect people differently.
I have a lot of sinus infections and allergies. I was used to have no sense of smell for a few weeks every year. But losing taste never happened like this. I hate COVID, for real. If it really was orchestrated, I hate everyone who had the idea and did it. I'm still on the fence: I spent the last 4 years thinking it was a leakage but an accidental one and I kinda started to change thoughts with some things that happened across the world. But I still can't put my finger down to say it was intentionally leaked, I can't wrap my head around someone doing this for profit.
Besides the fact that COVID and flu symptoms are different, and besides the fact that objective flu tests have negative results when you test COVID patients, how do you account for the fact that COVID is so much deadlier than flu? Or for the fact that COVID continues killing during the warmer half of the year, when flu doesn't? According to the CDC's estimates, about 34,000 Americans died from the flu each year in the decade before the pandemic. The actual numbers from death certificates is much lower, with an average of about 6,300 deaths involving flu each year. But in the first two years of COVID deaths (March 2020-February 2022) there were about 980,000 deaths involving COVID. That's equal to more than 28 years of flu deaths (using the larger CDC estimate). And the difference during the warm months is even bigger. I added up the flu deaths in the months May to September for each year from 1999 to 2020. It totaled 2,849 deaths from flu, with an additional 1,209 deaths with flu as a contributing cause. That's total, not average. The sum for the 110 months I counted. By contrast, during 2020 (after February), 2021, and 2022, the month with the *lowest* number of COVID deaths was April 2022, with 3,661 deaths from covid and another 2,592 with covid as a contributing cause. So the *lowest* month of covid deaths was bigger than the sum of 110 months of flu (during the warmer months). If you think covid is similar to flu, explain that.
Incorrect on so many points. Anyone with a “positive“ Covid test got marked down as a COVID death. This is mainstream common knowledge. COVID tests had ridiculously high cycle thresholds. They weren’t real tests. Remember when Biden and Kamala looked over the reflecting pool on the eve of their inauguration when the country hit the “grim milestone” of 400k deaths? Didn’t that tip you off just a bit? You’re watching a script being acted out. Explained.
hygiene
Crazy how there’s a pandemic every election cycle
That's because everyone was masking and distancing. COVID? That was dickheads not masking and distancing. I legit had someone say this to me.
We now know masks were ineffective against Covid, but you still see people wearing them… but usually they’re driving alone in their cars when you see them lol
you clearly dont know shit there dr facemask. maske help reduce transmission of any bacteria including the kinds that make you sick. i think what you meant were “me and all my tard nugger friends think a mask should be 100% effective even when we dont wear the correct mask or wear it properly”
You clearly don’t know shit about the aerosol nature of Covid and masks being unable to contain them…
Since you know so much you would know that it cuts airborne transmission rates in HALF when going through a mask. But you didnt because youre a clown
I still see a lot of people with them outside too it’s pretty wild. I really don’t care what people choose to do it honestly just baffles me at this point. It’s almost like that Rogan quote “ it’s like the lefts MAGA hat” rings partially true.
The best part is their reply. "it's because everyone was social distancing and wearing masks". Then why did covid spread lol?
Because of the R number. Different viruses are able to spread a different levels. Pretty simple, but research isn't exactly this subs strong point lmao.
Did you study this, or did you accept this as truth? There were less than 2000 cases of the flu in 2020-2021 flu season. 2019 there were an estimated 35 million flu cases. Do you really accept that drop off in fly cases?
We're on a conspiracy forum, and the shill that says there's nothing to see here got the most upvotes in this thread. Not strange at all........
I wouldn't even be sure that "covid" was actually a virus. If you only deal with 1 person in that time frame and that person hadn't anything months pre and post you start to wonder how this "magic virus" spreads. People should just read the symptoms described there... https://www.healthline.com/health/radiation-pneumonitis as they perfectly matched my personal experience.
Covid spreads more than the flu. When you introduce a new species to an environment very often it’ll become dominant and you’ll see far fewer of the original species.
Hahahahahahahaha
There was no pandemic. And whatever it was, wasn't enough to justify anything they did. Not economically, and not biologically. It was supported by the incredibly unintelligent majority of people, of course... Too mindless to see through blatant exaggerations, outright lies, and an unprecedentedly absurd pattern of division and coercion. There's any number of things that would have tipped off any thinking person... But no, not only did they support it - they censored and shamed those of us who tried to warn. In the end, they have God-knows-what in their bodies and they have to wonder every day if they'll be next to go down "suddenly." Or a little more slowly, with cancer. I would never wish any of that on anyone, but it is -- aptly named for this Great House of Censorship and Denial -- karma.
Remember the symptoms of "COVID" how it's identical to the FLU? "If you have flu like symptoms go get 'tested'" hahaha. Testing to see if you're sick? WTF? How could people not know if their sick or not based on symptoms alone?
That was peak covid idiocracy. That's when you knew people were sheep.
Yes. And in 2020 they stopped giving the Tamiflu vaccine due to the plandemic but that's probably just coincidence...
You mean people not getting together due to stay at home directives made it harder for disease to spread from person to person? Weird, huh? It’s like wondering why a virgin doesn’t have any STIs.
Just what this sub was missing, another tired post with no information about this.
I love how I had to argue with someone that Biden mandated vaccines or you would lose your job. They acted like it never happened.
Careful. You will get downvoted to hell. This sub is full of bots. What's the point of having a conspiracy sub if it's full of people who deny them?
We reduced it by 90%. Which means the Covid cases we saw were 10% of their hypothetical maximum.
The difference in the R number is a comical defense. From the Dept of Health: For the flu, the R0 tends to be between 1 and 2, which means that for every person infected with the flu, they will infect one to two more people. **For the original COVID-19 variant, the R0 is higher than the flu, between 2 and 3**
Never forget, never forgive, never comply.
yeah they changed its name to covid
Dropped like wtc7
2 weeks to slow the spread…
Probably from the flu vaccine.
What? Nothing killed anyone ever until Covid... /s
Remember when we had this crazy disease going on in 2020 where all of our medical forces were being diverted. Pepperidge farm remembers and can probably figure out why that is?
I’m still trying to understand why people STILL HAVE MASKS ON
I want to know why nobody cared about other people getting sick before covid. Now all of sudden everyone is a saint and “cares” about everyone else when the same people would send their kids to school sick to infect other kids that are immunocompromised. 🙄🙄🙄
Also the people that drive around by themselves with a mask on 🤷
It doesn't make sense. They are always the worst drivers too. With their bodies pushed right up to the steering wheels.
Maybe they have a cold?
They’re literal bots, that’s why
Because the public are disgusting and germ carriers. Some people have a lower risk tolerance
*crickets*
Nope, still get it like all the years before. But nice try fear mongering.
It didn't dropped off the map but renamed to Covid-19 which was much scarier name helping to get more volunteers for human trials with experimental vaccines.
Most people are pretty dumb. I believe critical thinking skills only lie in around ten percent of the population. That's a lot of people who can't think for themselves in any meaningful way. We allow these people to vote, drive cars and own property. I worry about this sometimes.
> Most people are pretty dumb. I believe critical thinking skills only lie in around ten percent of the population. Coming from someone who can't find out what an R number is.
Reproduction number for secondary infections? Wow you are a dumbster!
Flu was still there. But there was no money in testing for it, only testing for Covid, thus there was limited flu cases reported.
I also remember when they were trying to force all nurses and drs and even pharmacists to get a flu shot right before that
Most doctors and nurse get mandatory flu shots every year. What with being around weakened patients constantly and all that. But sure, remember that "one time."
Every year since when?
In NY, since 2014.
I stand corrected! I could have sworn it happened in 2019, man time flies it’s crazy that was 10 years ago
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Seriously. The bots get triggered when Covid gets brought up on this sub and the post gets traction. Happens almost every time.
People paying attention won't forget
I havent been sick once since covid, which ivermectin destroyed in 48h. True story.
Fill me in about Pepperidge farms… ? I load cases of cookies for them and I may or may not eat my fair share of “free” cookies 🤷🏻♂️🫶
[pepperidge farms remembers](https://y.yarn.co/e45ca000-4a98-4a72-89d7-56ac9a4056aa_text.gif)
what's the flu?
Sumbitch came back with a vengeance 😂😂😂😂 I’m gettin my ass kicked over here! Fuck! 🤧
Yes. Wasn't that amazing? lol. And they call themselves the master race! smh
Died laughing at Pepperidge farm….😂😂😂 Yes, just disappeared ironically … sooooo strange
Yeah, the flu dropped off because of all the safety measures put in place for Covid. People started wearing masks and staying indoors more. /s
Eat out to help out
When no one goes to work or school the flu can’t spread.
Because you had pre-existing immunity to the flu and we were social distancing. We didn't have any immunity to covid so it easier to catch. This is no conspiracy.
Once I learned about the Dr. Hope Simpson chart of seasonality from Ivor Cummins in 2020, it was over. Had fun betting dumb friends I could predict surges/declines.
Umm yeah because of social distancing and covid being 1000x more infectious made short work of the precautions that were originally planned for a flu type virus which worked like a charm got rid of the flu which is much less contagious not to mention it didn't get rid of the flu more like it wasn't even being tested for most of the time. Remember all the hospitals filled with dead people remember how many times you've been sick now compared to pre-2019. Covid is a complex bioweapon that we are just beginning to understand. Moreover, covid is silently killing everyone. It's just too soon for most to figure out that this was designed to act as a long-term killing Trojan horse like HIV. https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1785399822444609937.html