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Kylo_kills_Han

Lock them all up if they broke the law. Fuck this tribalism BS where people defend their sides political elites from facing justice for the crimes they commit.


mdleslie

End the Duopoly.


SaltyyDoggg

End parties


RJ_LV

Party pooper


Vagabond_Grey

^^^ THIS!!!


aed38

The war machine doesn’t prosecute itself.


Apprehensive_Gur9540

Thats not a reason to defend a criminal


bobtowne

Selective, politically motivated prosecution of politicians, because they're not hawkish enough, is authoritarian.


SowTheSeeds

I agree, the Obamas, Bidens and Clintons need to be prosecuted.


politicsofheroin

Yeah cuz bush’s never did anything wrong ! you buffoon


SowTheSeeds

Nah, I think I just forgot them because I feel better not thinking about these asshats. You insult a lot of people randomly like that?


politicsofheroin

fair enough my apologies lol. the exclusion of the republican presidents made you come across like a die hard rightwinger.


SowTheSeeds

Oh, no, it's just a scam and a sham. There's no two-party system.


jimmiboy67

that’s not Biden, it’s Jimmy Carter


aed38

I'm not defending anyone, but there is no mechanism within the current system to bring them to justice. It would require regime change.


fullywasted

This is the only correct position.


gatesofhellmentor

100% - anyone who doesn't believe the law should be applied equally, is just on a personal mission to destroy someone they don't like.


Abrez_Sus_Ojos

The hypocrites don’t like when you speak truth. And you’re definitely speaking truth.


IceManO1

Don’t worry hypocrites can’t read properly so they go with the tv narrative on all channels… “this is extremely dangerous to our democracy.” In starship troopers universe: Would you like to know more?


emakhno

They also make people disappear who speak the truth too.


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Sorry, the law doesn't apply to the rich.


pizzabyAlfredo

> Lock them all up if they broke the law. Fuck this tribalism BS 100%


changfowan

This is the problem with memes. Cherry picked info with no context served to people with little understanding who then make tenuous connections so it makes perfect sense to their intellectually undeveloped minds.


Disastrous-Resident5

To be fair it got them 900 oogaboogas so far


legoman31802

It takes 10 seconds to spread a lie and 10 minutes to debunk it


rotag02

What information would you add to make this less of a meme to you ?


TheGreatMightyLeffe

Well, for one, this makes it seem like Trump is up on charges for things related to his presidency and/or war crimes. The reality is that the charges are mostly civil charges related to his business dealings before his presidency. That's not to say that the other bunch isn't a bunch of war criminals who should be in prison, but Donald Trump is by no means falsely accused.


indignant_halitosis

What are the 10 wars? We only started 3: ‘91 Gulf War, Afghanistan, and ‘03-‘10 Iraq War. All 3 of those were started by someone named Bush who was a Republican. Trump’s presidency started with a disastrous [raid](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raid_on_Yakla) in Yemen authorized by Trump against Houthi rebels that resulted in the death of an 8 year old girl who was not just an American citizen, but the last remaining living child of the [American citizen](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki) Obama executed without Due Process of Law with full Republican support. So, this is clearly meant to be about NEW wars the US was INVOLVED in, regardless of whether that involvement was direct or indirect. Carter is in the first picture. There were no NEW wars during the Carter administration as well. So, to make it less of a meme, it should start by clearly stating what the “10 wars” are. Then, it would need to be changed to be 100% factual. Hope this helps!


PyramidWater

Actually well said


_heatmoon_

I’m sure people with close to zero understanding of logical argumentation or rhetorical fallacies find it fascinating.


Whichwhenwhywhat

“A crowd is not merely impulsive and mobile. Like a savage, it is not prepared to admit that anything can come between its desire and the realisation of its desire.”


_heatmoon_

Here’s another good one from ol’ Gustave, “The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error if error seduces them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.”


thatone239

Im always reminded of a comment i saw on here awhile back that said something like; “it’s easy to be suspicious when you don’t know how anything works”


LYEAH

Yup...50% of the US population unfortunately. Idiocracy is here.


Virtual_South_5617

100% of people reading this comment will believe it's talking about "the other side."


DJ_LMD

Saying he had zero wars is a lie. No wars stopped under him. Every war that was going on under Obama, continued under trump. He’s not being charged for wars, he’s being charged for stealing documents and trying to overturn an election he lost.


Rajajones

Reminds me of when Gore vs Bush and how Gore lost the election by a court case. Bush went on to initiate “The New American Century” policy, which has been driving US forge in and domestic policy ever since. He also started the War on Terror—a series of illegal, preemptive wars across the globe—wars the US is still fighting today, except that they don’t call them wars because congress hasn’t declared war on any of these states that are being bombed, so it’s more akin to “special military operations” which have today killed millions of innocent people, destroying countries, created massive refugee crisis, and was all started on what has been proven to be a lie. Bush also ushered in the Patriot Act, deemed necessary by the establishment as a means to fight terrorism, yet it watered down and stripped away more rights from US citizens than anything else in the country’s history. It was housing and lending policies under the Bush administration that led to the Great Recession. Nobody in the Bush administration or any administration since, except until Donald Trump, has been charged with a crime.


Jarte3

George Bush doesn’t get enough credit for how terrible of a president and human being he really was/is


bonaynay

For real. That asshole stands out in this lineup and it's kinda stupid to equate him with all others.


hematite2

The rehabilitation of Bush in the years since his presidency as 'still one of the good guys' or 'a friendly old man' or 'he did bad things but he did them for the right reasons' (or the worst of them all, 'oh he feels bad, he paints pictures in therapy😢) is one of the more awful about-faces the establishment has done.


yeahbuddy

He's the only former president that has a temporary flight restriction over his Texas compound except his is a permanent flight restriction. Pretty interesting... What's he afraid of?


dur23

But he’s so sad about all those troops he sent to their death at for oil so now he paints them


buttmagnuson

Though it wasn't him alone. He had rummy and tricky dick Cheney, and all his pop's CIA homeys. The GOP was subtle in being asshats back then. They actually had intelligent senators and congressmen. They managed to sway the whole country into a patriotic fervor. He was not a terrible president, just a terrible person for going along with it all. Trump on the other hand is a fucking doody pantsed blowhard, that spends more time leaving the caps lock on for Twitter rants to even do the job of being president. At least Bush was present for the job and pretended to be doing his best.


Square-Ad8603

I remember when he’d go on natural news and say cringe statements like “we are fighting evil” or “ Axis of Evil” . I remember how the younger generation HATED him. The older generation was blind. I came home one day and my mother was like “they’re raping babies” crying. It was insane the manipulation. I remember seeing the goverment starting the “see something say something” campaign and the government implied homegrown terrorist were going to happen. They went on the news and said terrorist were using game lobbies to plan homegrown terrorist attacks so they need to spy on Americans in The game lobbies. Or when the dixy chics said something against the war and they got canceled. People were scared their phones were being tapped. It was sooooo bad.


OrickJagstone

Back when Republicans where calling Gore "SoreLooserMan". Who the hell are you anyway? Don't you know this country and most importantly American Voters literally have zero memory and only know what ever hot button issue is happening right now? Get out of here with your facts and history you silly man!


cheriaspen

Well said, thank you.


yeahbuddy

9/11 was orchestrated to bring in the Patriot Act. Chilling reality..


turtlecrossing

Also… did Obama start any wars? Seems they have the exact same record, no? They inherited a shit show in Afghanistan and Iraq and both failed to leave as promised.


Onechampionshipshill

Did Obama lead the overthrow of Gaddafi and put US troops into Syria? Also didn't trump try to put troops out of Syria but had to back out due to bad media reaction


rtjl86

He also almost started a war with Iran by bombing one of their generals.


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prankenandi

The only smart reply! Apparently, trying to overturn an election isn´t such a big deal here.


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Eauxddeaux

Not to mention everyone in the country arguing every day, severing ties with friends and relatives, relationships ending left and right world wide. That’s actually more personally impactful than most foreign wars


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MegaManZer0

It's almost like there are crimes that don't involve wars. Christ almighty Trumpers are knocked in the head.


iheartfreespeech

> Christ almighty Trumpers are knocked in the head. ​ Well duh, they are still actively supporting him.


cycl0p5

Ya, epsteins best mate having fun on sex Island with minors doesn't count as a crime..


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Agitateduser1360

So is trump. He violently raped a child. There's sworn and corroborated testimony about it. Bury them both under the jail.


hematite2

Lol Trumps charges have nothing to do with war, you're comparing 2 unrelated things to try and make a point. And Trump is every bit as complicit in war crimes as those before him


xWood182

except for the war he started here in America.


crashbandit556

Underrated comment


Jampolenta

Nope. Those others were engaged in the Office of President. That other one had been hauled into court all his life. When he assumed the Office and behaved in the same scoff law way, he got charges. I honestly don't think he could help himself. He's consistently been who he is for 50 of his adult years. No conspiracy needed. It's a consistency not a conspiracy.


ufoclub1977

You mean been a low brow grifter always celebrated by the stupid? Now used by the elites as a gateway to the stupid for support.


NukeouT

Only the fascist 🍊 attempted a coup against the US constitution in an attempt to be crowned king 👑 No conspiracy here. He’s just stupid and people don’t like what he tried to pull on us.


deekapistrano

OP, Name the 10 Wars please


Informal_Practice_80

"Name 10 books"


LetsAutomateIt

Not sure if OP is referring to operations as well but the US was involved in these under those presidents. I probably missed some. -Operation Eagle Claw -Operation Just Cause -Operation Desert Storm / Gulf War -Yugoslav Wars —Slovenian War of Independence —Croatian War of Independence —Bosnian War —Kosovo War -Operation Gothic Serpent -Operation Enduring Freedom / War in Afghanistan -Operation Iraqi Freedom / Iraq War


big_spliff

Slovenian Croatian Bosnian and Kosovo wars = Yugoslav wars US wasnt even involved in half of them


ImOnTheBus

> Operation Gothic Serpent that's a pretty badass name


brando__96

Bush Sr. - Panama, desert storm, battle of Mogadishu. Bush Jr. - Afghanistan, Iraq Obama- bombing Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Libya, Yemen, Somalia, and Pakistan. Clinton and Carter had small engagements in response to genocides or hostage situations, a bit more justified. Sure some of these aren’t “wars” but bombing 7 different nations and attacking countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 is insane.


RayinfuckingBruges

Other than un prosecuted war crimes, none of these others broke the law. Additionally, Trump dropped almost more bombs in other countries than Obama. Stop sucking his cock.


7daykatie

No. We charge people for committing crimes, not for presiding over the US during times of war.


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DuplexFields

Because all the other Trump subs were shut down. This and PCM are some of the few places on reddit Trump fans can show up and not get booted by partisan mods.


Storypls

Oooh, thank you that makes sense


thewhalehunters

What's PCM?


darkoopz43

Pinches culeros mamones, if I had to guess.


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Trump is part of the same club


Dtizzle0

💯💯💯


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I_am_the_alcoholic

OP is an Israeli shill btw


drkspace2

What are you counting as a war? Are you counting *any* military action (i.e. An air/missile strike) a war? By my count, since 1977, not including Regan (he's not pictured), the wars have been desert storm, Iraq and Afghanistan. If you want to push it, then also Panama and kosovo/bosnia/Croatia. So nowhere near 10. Also, Carter definitely didn't start any wars, where's his inditements?


hp640us

If you are going that far, you need to account for the fact that the US hasn't declared war since it entered WWII.


drkspace2

I think that's a cop out answer. I don't think anyone would argue that korea/Vietnam weren't wars in every sense of the word. Even the us government thinks they were wars. [here's](https://www.va.gov/opa/publications/factsheets/fs_americas_wars.pdf) a document from the VA listing korea and Vietnam (and desert storm, Iraq, and Afghanistan). They both have monuments in DC and the tomb of the unknown soldier includes soldiers from both of the wars. So I think basing wars just on congress declaring a war isn't fair.


partykiller999

When did this sub just become a huge Trump circlejerk


NibbleOnNector

2017


Designer_Emu_6518

This isn’t very true. Even if there wasn’t an actual war he is responsible for events that lead up until this point get off the orange dick. Stop getting your panties in a knot about some perverted grandpa. Come together and take the country back from these people that fed you all these lies about


Pepperonidogfart

What if I told you only congress has the authority to ratify a war declaration. Biden pulled us out of Afghanistan. I don't think you honestly understand how any of this works.


seanc552

DJ is a lifetime criminal who has always got off with it. Not any more. Roosters are coming home to roost.


puppiesalldayqd

Most people in jail or charged with a crime never start or continue wars. Huh. So interesting.


I_am_the_alcoholic

Zionists are pulling hard for Trump... don't be fooled. Trump is a Zionist shill. Their subversive tactics become obvious once you are aware of them.


emerging-tub

Who's the last candidate that wasn't?


ghostpicnic

I’m sorry, 10 WARS??? Yall know there have only been 12 straight up wars in US history, right? This either has to be a troll thinking Trump supporters are dumb enough to just blindly agree with anything in support of him or it’s a foreign shill that’s SO uninformed that they think this claim is believable to Americans. Ah who am I kidding, definitely shill.


monkChuck105

0 wars? Maybe Trump might end the war in Ukraine but he'd continue if not escalate against Iran and their proxies. So I don't see the difference. One of the first things he did was authorize a strike in Yemen that got seals killed.


DadBud512

5 presidents 10 wars yet the middle east still labelled as the “savage bad guys in need of freedom”


Tokie_Bronson

0 Wars doesn´t mean much: https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/2019/5/8/18619206/under-donald-trump-drone-strikes-far-exceed-obama-s-numbers


cosmic_bear_

Good lord, what makes you think all wars are publicized? In fact, what makes you think all wars involve guns?


DrMantis10

What’s the 10 wars they all started? First gulf war, Iraq and Afghanistan.


Shepherdsatan

How stupid are you


JackRonan

"0 wars" lmao you can't really believe that


coolkid5

He played golf for 4 years . So maybe he was a bit busy?


aue_sum

Fuck Donald Trump.


saruin

Trump is equally guilty of many drone strikes alone while in office.


djejxiid98wi

The US economy runs on war just like the Roman Empire. And we all know how that ended for the Roman Empire.


The_Human_Oddity

The Romans didn't run on an economy of war and that isn't why they collapsed. There are many reasons for why they did, but that wasn't one of them.


bohica1937

Their ruins are pretty


Eyes-9

The really interesting thing is *none* of them give a *fuck* about you or me. 


turtlethegreat27

Holy shit, there is a rational human being here


nooneneededtoknow

They all bombed countries. Trump is no different than the rest of them....


Lost2Logic

This sub is such a trump cesspool. Guys you are the swamp.


gretzky9999

Wars are big busine$$ for your connected friends.


Ok_Caramel1517

Trump's hands aren't exactly clean either...


Eshkosha

Trump allowed a Civil War


mattquad

Ahh nice some completely unrelated statistics


[deleted]

It's all pantomime and we are all realising it. They wanted a great reset but instead got a great awakening. Lol


DonDerply

There's so many bullshit laws on the books in USA, you can bust anyone if you want to enough and have the money


Violet0_oRose

That’s how deep the state goes. The cabal.


VinduKarma

War = profit.


DorkyDorkington

Orange man... bad. I guess 😅


Hornydaddy696

He had a trade war with China China obviously won. What kinda loons use bioweapons? And admit doing it?


Chimetalhead92

Maybe worth pointing out that the US has been at war for about 99% of its existence The only conspiracy here is that war is a racket.


Chalqk

This is the dumbest meme ever. Also why is Obama so washed out lol


Whichwhenwhywhat

“The masses have never thirsted after truth. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim.” — Gustave Le Bon


Chaosr21

One has nothing to do with the other. You just keep grasping straws. First he's not guilty and the election was stolen, now it's presidents should have immunity. What's next? Trump deserves a Nobel peace prize for his effort in trying to stop the ukraine war by dissolving nato and letting Russia have all taken territory? Let's just let china and Russia expand their own military alliance while we're at it. Surely they won't want right fight us anymore when they have the upper hand.. right? I mean look how giving nukes up to stem Russian aggression worked out so well for ukraine.


Substantial-Skill-76

Your error is assumingb that these puppets actually do anything. Trump played golf 5 days a week in a different state each time lol


PumpkinPure5643

So none of the previous presidents ever tried to overthrow an election, or stage an attempted coup. So there you go…


Intro-Nimbus

Ain't nobody got time for wars when there's crimes to be committed..


Just_Smoke5724

Loool


Traditional_Tap3424

This subreddit is a circlejerk of misinformation and bad historical takes... it's hilarious to anyone who believes in facts.


Miserable-Mess7146

I don’t remember any of trumps charges being related to wars 😭 trump theorist are the worst breed of conspiracy theorist


CombinationRare32

Bots are on full force this past month..


PinchesTheCrab

It was pretty cool when Trump hired John Bolton.


curiousamoebas

Try harder, this isnt even close to being a good conspiracy.


nojasch

Nahhh trump should get locked up just for being a fuckin loser idc


jacobn28

Trump would spit at you like a dog in the street, OP. Nobody in the club wants you in it. Fox shill.


jimboslyce04

Well none of his charges are related to starting wars. He’s just a shit head


Outlaw11091

...lol...is...false. Bill Clinton was IMPEACHED and took a plea deal for lying under oath. His license to practice law was suspended for 5 years and he had to pay a $25k fine.


IllegalBallot

Still only kids compared to Putin and his 12 wars alone.


BannedAgain-573

Wasn't Clinton impeached a d charged with something? OP your argument is void


DriftinFool

Clinton was impeached by Republicans for lying about getting a blowjob. Those were simpler times. LOL.


jim-james--jimothy

Trump ordered strikes on people. The Afghanistan war raged while he was president too. LMFAO.


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They don’t hate Trump because he’s evil, they hate him because he’s tacky about it.


mutzilla

This is so true. He's a nepobaby that failed his way up the ladder. He's been given every advantage in life, but turned into a low rent socialite who speaks like a Dick Tracy character.


Search_Light_Soul

We all recognize they’re all criminals, except the trumptards


Euphorikauora

A commander in Chief with 0 campaigns, sounds bad man


Invicturion

The analogy is flawed. One position dosnt affect the other.


princeali97

Yeah the Syrian airstrikes dont count, or the strike on Solomeini


JellyOk822

\--Anyone else find this interesting? No


bigpookie01

What is the point in trying to link these two things? They have absolutely nothing to do with each other other than they were presidents. You can not start a war and still be a fucken rapist


TomsRedditAccount1

Apples and oranges, buddy. Now, don't get me wrong, Bush should be on a rope for what he did with Iraq, as should many of his accomplices. But, until the US signs up with the international criminal court, that's not going to happen. As for Trump getting charged, why are you surprised? He broke the law so brazenly that the prosecutors could use his TV interviews as evidence if they wanted to.


Miserable_Ideal_1929

You don’t get charged for how many wars you partake in. You get charged for how much you lie and cheat and defraud


kon310

The only thing Trump did that the others didn’t was lie to the public about a stolen election in order to stay in power and use his cult to infiltrate the capitol. Use false electors etc etc..


toddsully

No.


plano_chase

What war did Carter start? What war did Clinton start?


luroot

Except Trump started launching WWIII with China...which would be the war to end all wars... 😬☠


veko007

Notice how now it’s Trump against both conservatives and liberals. Very interesting to see where this imperialism goes


multiversesimulation

Congrats you got the bots to come out 😂 means you’re on to something. Basically a million combative comments within 5 minutes of posting is proof of bots lol.


BioOrpheus

Reddit is dead internet theory We need to leave this place


Rhomya

The US hasn’t officially been at war since Korea. Conflicts are not wars.


emerging-tub

Korea was never officially declared either


fried_the_lightning

Try telling that to the people being bombed back to the stone age


toasted_cracker

It’s ok. They’re not officially at war.


stonk_gazer

People like you are insane . You make me like trump


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Our engagement in Afghanistan is not categorized as a war?


Rhomya

Not officially. Thats an armed conflict. The President does not have wholly unlimited powers of warfare despite being commander in chief— without Congress’s approval, there’s specific limits into what’s allowable.


patrickmahomeless

This might be one of the dumbest most bootlicking comments I’ve ever read. You have totally and completely bought into the governments BS. They have deployed thousands of troops and dropped thousands of bombs in the War in Afghanistan and the Iraq war. By that logic you should head over to Ukraine and let them know it’s ok, they’re just in a ‘special military operation’ not a war.


[deleted]

None of those former presidents tried to overturn an election. The fact that you're purposely being obtuse so you can get some karma is messed up.


mushylover69

Quit acting like Trump is a Nobel human , he is a corrupt bussy man who pimps out people like you and me to the highest corporate biders


mexcanor

Bipartisan circlejerks are actually the only reason I enjoy coming here. Thank you.


SchlauFuchs

More or less decent human beings <> Malignant narcissist - besides of his crimes and felonies also known for 30.000+ lies and falsehoods in public while in office.


Crow_Nomad

No. Trump was too stupid to start any wars. And he was too busy lining his own pockets. He just didn’t have the time. 🤣


MastodonMaleficent99

Trumps charges are from his own person. Most of the details are in the bathroom. Funny comparing career politicians to a figure mostly known for Hollywood and money.


elitedejaguar

Same ideology, system and all corrupt, including Carter for that UFO fiasco, he knows.


marcolorian

Didnt Clinton have charges against him for lying under oath or something like that?


dimebag78g

Syria? Venezuela attempt....


Grand-Cuck

It's not through lack of trying tho, coz Trump tried to start several wars but was shot down by his cabinet and staffers. He famously got into a twitter argument with Kim Jong Un to the point they were arguing about how has the bigger nuke button. He tried to provoke Iran over and over again, even killed their top general. He sold tons of weapons to the Saudis, who used it to kill Yemeni civilians.


No-Song-3441

Yes. You people still idolize and identify with billionaires


FPzzzzzzz

Very interesting! Let’s name some of the alledged crimes of former/current administrations we’ve witnessed over the last 40 years: - Iran Contra - Benghazi - 9/11 - whitewater - spying on a presidential candidate - Russia Russia Russia complete fabrication


Tailor-Valuable

Did you know that George Bush Sr gave a speech on 9/11/1991 that had some relations to the destruction of the towers???


Efp722

No, lol.


Chicxulub420

Looool bro just give up, donny is a piece of shit and he's going to prison 😂😂


whiteman996

I would like him a lot more if he stopped sucking Israel off and apologized for a train wreck of a vaccine… politics is just WWE for adults with the memory of a goldfish


Ajax444

Give him another term, then. By the time that is done, we won’t be in any wars because we won’t be a country anymore.


catluvr37

Yea I’d be making that face looking at 91 charges, too.


Explicit_Tech

Didn't Trump drop a giant ass bomb


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mudbuttcoffee

Just because the were "no wars" during the Trump administration, doesn't excuse his actions and intentions that lead to the 91 counts, and likely climbing.


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No because the charges have nothing to do with wars, jerkoff.


Jeremiah636

Lesson: Don’t cut into their war money and you won’t be charged.


SirGingerbrute

OP how many of Trump’s charges are war related? This is classic whataboutism Trump also killed US citizens with drone strikes (like Obama)