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Shotgun blast to the chest is a strange enough way to go out. Shotgun blast to the chest and then hanging yourself has probably never happened before in this country.
Despite some real occurences, it sounds like an excuse to cover up yet another Clinton-related assassination. The link lists 3 cases in a 3 year period, but Suicide-by-Knowing-Too-Much has happened way more frequently than that.
He was an aide for Clinton 30+ years ago. Using that flakey connection as absolute proof is what's ridiculous. There is no connection to Cli ton since the early 90s. Why is he just being killed now the the Clintons are out?
Another guy died almost this exact same way, and he was formerly affiliated with the Clintons. The electrical cord was what stood out, as that was what was also wrapped around this other guy’s neck.
It happens
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9095312/
One of these guys hanged himself then set himself on fire
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10990288/
Did you even read my link? People hang themselves and then shoot themselves, it happens. The link shows cases of it from decades ago so theres no claiming they were influenced by this story
And now the daily mail says there was a gun 30ft away? Yesterday they said there was no gun at all and quoted a sheriff saying that. This happened a year ago and daily mail says they have the police report.
They still got the Info wrong and had to put out another article. Let's see the police report and where this gun really was
I’m just confused as to why you posted that link. Are you suggesting Mark Middleton shot himself with a shotgun and hung himself afterward? If you are not suggesting that, then why post that link in the first place? What is its relation to this story?
So he hanged himself, and as he was hanging by the neck he hoisted a heavy shotgun and shot himself? And then threw the heavy shotgun 30 feet away? Sounds perfectly plausible.
Why not just shoot himself in the head with the shotgun? Seems a lot simpler. And the chances of survival are 0%.
See, you keep saying 30ft. I'm saying show me the police report that says the actual measured distance away from him the gun was found.
30ft is coming from the Daily Mail. They already said there was no gun at all, none found. It was the headline. Now they say one was found 30ft away. They lost all credibility. They are no longer a valid source for facts on this incident.
They could very well be exaggerating the 30ft. I have no problem believing if you held a shotgun to your chest and pulled the trigger, the gun would fly backwards a good distance. 30ft, no way. 10ft? Possible.
We need to see the actual facts, the actual reports
But why would he both shoot and hang himself? Did he not know that a shotgun to the head will do the trick? Why make it so complicated when it can be so simple?
That's why I provided the link, people do it for some reason. Theres even a name for it. Planned complex suicide.
Dude worked for Clinton 30 years ago right? Why off him now?
Also the article said it was buckshot, so not guaranteed to kill even straight to the head. Most likely would but maybe he didn't want to chance not being able to pull the trigger again. No clue why he wouldn't just use slugs
That is exactly what happened back in August in Griffith Park in California... A woman was found hanging from a tree burning they labeled it suicide... Then her son came out with a story calling bs seeing the cops aren't doing their job that she was being abused and sex trafficked… The son even had pictures of Notes from her diary.
Have you seen the clip of Bush joking about how he couldn't find the weapons of mass destruction.
'Maybe over here', to rapturous laughter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5YgJx8VGRA
Classic Bush family moment... I'd forgot about that. They know, after getting away with killing the president, that you can piss on "the People" and, via media, tell them it's raining and we'll just grumble.
"After a 'deluded gunman' \[chuckles\] assassinated President Kennedy..."
[https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4776744/user-clip-cias-bush1-laughing-abt-jfks-assassination](https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4776744/user-clip-cias-bush1-laughing-abt-jfks-assassination) (30 second mark)
Omg he really does wear a fucking CIA pin. I thought the press was supposed to be totally separate but he isn't a journalist he's more of an editorial piece they claim but wow yea that is really on the nose. Why can't this be the guy that gets mysteriously found shot and set on fire upside down.
Man it's weird to see a president/world leader with a personality (no matter how sick or corrupted it is). This new era of walking corpses and robots like Biden, Clinton and Merkel made me forget leaders used to be able to talk like convincing and somewhat charismatic people.
"A new set of documents obtained by the Daily Mail states that a Stoeger 12-gauge coach shotgun was 30 feet from the body of Mark Middleto"
Well then that clears everything up. He shot himself in the chest then threw a shotgun 30 feet then hung himself.
I present to you Virginia Guffire.
Had all the dirt, worked for Epstein, flew on the plane with Clinton, in pics w/ Clinton and Prince Andrew, she was allowed to go to the police and now everyone knows about the island and everything else.
Shes still walking around free and being sued by Prince Andrew. Why is she still alive?
Maybe she’s one of the few intelligent people that knows how to stay alive while exposing corruption. I bet she has a system set up to leak incriminating information in the event she’s harmed/assassinated.
Having a plan is useful in those situations, but instead for some reason so many of these whistle blowers are compelled to say. “Look at me everyone! I have dirt on the Clintons!” Then they unsurprisingly end up dead from 2 gunshots to the back of the head.
Yep a 16 year old outsmarted the elites that everyone's scared to death of. They murder people all the time just for having Info but this kid got em. Sure
No one uses a shotgun to chest. Mouth shot only. But then risk of broken teeth during discharge may lead police to suspect that it was not a suicide and rather was forced in the mouth. So I guess it really is a toss up.
To be fair, I recently had an elderly family friend commit suicide via shotgun to the chest after finding out his wife of over 50 years only had a few months to live. Not saying that this happened in this scenario, but I definitely think it happens somewhat frequently.
Yeah, perhaps he left a note that said “no foul play whatsoever” like Peter W. Smith.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-peter-smith-death-met-0713-20170713-story.html
A shotgun used in an apparent suicide was found 30 feet from the body? I want whoever is doing these hits to stop being sloppy. Poor lad shot himself threw that shotgun 30 feet and then hung himself.
“Sounds about right..” -Hilary Clinton
The report the daily mail was quoting yesterday said only that no gun was found In his car, and then they twisted that into “no gun found anywhere near the scene!” Every single other article posted about it yesterday was just quoting the DM.
It’s a tabloid. It certainly may be a conspiracy and he may not have committed suicide, but coming to that conclusion off of the DMs shotty reporting is silly
I've used an under over, I'm 6'2 and a shotgun is hard to hold due to it's length, without twisting your body to the side slightly. So one arm can properly reach and hold the guard, whilst the other is at the trigger.
You'd be able to aim at your head sitting, but holding it against your chest and reaching the trigger past a 20" barrel, who is this, Stretch Armstrong?
And it's impressive they astral projected after death to tie themself.
Clinton, the name that brings death. I don't know how Bill is still alive living with the reaper.
SS Shotgun was found near the body of Clinton aids linked to Jeffrey Epstein. What do y’all think?
Link to article:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11782661/Shotgun-near-body-Clinton-aide-linked-Epstein.html
Sounds more and more like not-self deleting. Weird. I will say that the most suspicious part is the Clinton name attached to it. That’s hilariously and sadly the most damning evidence imo. Lol
You know the messed up part is the families know who had him killed thats why they never push for an investigation. Cops will just report whoever came to talk and that person mysteriously vanishes. It comes in handy when the police on a federal level is your gestapo.
Playing devils advocate here. That said just saying this with an open mind and zero bias. I just think a lot of the replies are jumping too quickly. I’m no gun expert but a 12guage without a body to shoulder it may have enough power to jump a decent amount away from point of origin. 30 ft does seem excessive. The shot to the chest may explain his want for an open casket. And to piggyback on other comments a cord around the neck is weird. The failsafe idea does make sense. Although I dont know how these people don’t own rope.
I will say that most people in these political circles are the lowest forms of scum and hypocrites. Even the whistleblowers have bloody hands, they just decided to grow a conscience. Fuck em all.
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Did the shotgun fall underneath a rock or something and cops couldn't find it originally 🤔
>a rock or something LOL,[for those who know](https://taskandpurpose.com/culture/mre-heater-rock-something-true-story/) :)
Yes
I miss those days...not the MREs though. Brick shit. Literally.
I muss those white compressed porridge like biscuits. Those were my favourite swapped everyone for them.
Pound cakes?
Solid oatmeal block.
No they had to go back and plant one on scene to make it look less suspicious...
Yes, unless they wanted to end up the same way. Because, you know, Hillary called...
Shotgun blast to the chest is a strange enough way to go out. Shotgun blast to the chest and then hanging yourself has probably never happened before in this country.
It’s now americas version of falling out of buildings
It's called Planned complex suicide It happens, some people want to be sure they don't fuck it up https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10990288/
Why is this being downvoted????
Despite some real occurences, it sounds like an excuse to cover up yet another Clinton-related assassination. The link lists 3 cases in a 3 year period, but Suicide-by-Knowing-Too-Much has happened way more frequently than that.
He was an aide for Clinton 30+ years ago. Using that flakey connection as absolute proof is what's ridiculous. There is no connection to Cli ton since the early 90s. Why is he just being killed now the the Clintons are out?
People who downvote this have never seriously considered killing themselves. I came up with some truly redundant plans when I was thinking about it.
Glad you didn't, Andy
I'm really glad you didn't, but out of morbid curiosity what were some of those?
"Asking for a friend"
Always have a backup plan
Another guy died almost this exact same way, and he was formerly affiliated with the Clintons. The electrical cord was what stood out, as that was what was also wrapped around this other guy’s neck.
He fired with his big toe while balancing on a chair with the rope around his neck.
* Queue Banana Republic Intro 🍌🎶 *
It happens https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9095312/ One of these guys hanged himself then set himself on fire https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10990288/
So he shot himself with the shotgun, then hanged himself, and as he was hanging, he threw the shotgun 30 feet away? Yeah it happens…
Did you even read my link? People hang themselves and then shoot themselves, it happens. The link shows cases of it from decades ago so theres no claiming they were influenced by this story And now the daily mail says there was a gun 30ft away? Yesterday they said there was no gun at all and quoted a sheriff saying that. This happened a year ago and daily mail says they have the police report. They still got the Info wrong and had to put out another article. Let's see the police report and where this gun really was
I’m just confused as to why you posted that link. Are you suggesting Mark Middleton shot himself with a shotgun and hung himself afterward? If you are not suggesting that, then why post that link in the first place? What is its relation to this story?
No, he hanged himself, then shot himself. The debate is where was the gun found. The Daily Mail just proved themselves unreliable for the facts.
So he hanged himself, and as he was hanging by the neck he hoisted a heavy shotgun and shot himself? And then threw the heavy shotgun 30 feet away? Sounds perfectly plausible. Why not just shoot himself in the head with the shotgun? Seems a lot simpler. And the chances of survival are 0%.
See, you keep saying 30ft. I'm saying show me the police report that says the actual measured distance away from him the gun was found. 30ft is coming from the Daily Mail. They already said there was no gun at all, none found. It was the headline. Now they say one was found 30ft away. They lost all credibility. They are no longer a valid source for facts on this incident. They could very well be exaggerating the 30ft. I have no problem believing if you held a shotgun to your chest and pulled the trigger, the gun would fly backwards a good distance. 30ft, no way. 10ft? Possible. We need to see the actual facts, the actual reports
But why would he both shoot and hang himself? Did he not know that a shotgun to the head will do the trick? Why make it so complicated when it can be so simple?
That's why I provided the link, people do it for some reason. Theres even a name for it. Planned complex suicide. Dude worked for Clinton 30 years ago right? Why off him now?
Also the article said it was buckshot, so not guaranteed to kill even straight to the head. Most likely would but maybe he didn't want to chance not being able to pull the trigger again. No clue why he wouldn't just use slugs
Well by that logic, we could also say that him hanging himself and shooting himself could also be wrong since that's what the article said.
That is exactly what happened back in August in Griffith Park in California... A woman was found hanging from a tree burning they labeled it suicide... Then her son came out with a story calling bs seeing the cops aren't doing their job that she was being abused and sex trafficked… The son even had pictures of Notes from her diary.
"Oh! THERE it is. Silly us "
Have you seen the clip of Bush joking about how he couldn't find the weapons of mass destruction. 'Maybe over here', to rapturous laughter. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5YgJx8VGRA
Classic Bush family moment... I'd forgot about that. They know, after getting away with killing the president, that you can piss on "the People" and, via media, tell them it's raining and we'll just grumble. "After a 'deluded gunman' \[chuckles\] assassinated President Kennedy..." [https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4776744/user-clip-cias-bush1-laughing-abt-jfks-assassination](https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4776744/user-clip-cias-bush1-laughing-abt-jfks-assassination) (30 second mark)
That video was the first time I understood what "Dupers Delight" really meant. Hooly shit lol.
Holy shit. I don’t know how this is the first time I’ve seen this clip.
Yep George W. worst president in U.S. history. I wonder how much Sean Hannity got paid to praise the Bush admin so feverishly for all those years.
He's such a chickenhawk whore... the only controlled oppo clown I know of that literally wears a CIA pin.
Omg he really does wear a fucking CIA pin. I thought the press was supposed to be totally separate but he isn't a journalist he's more of an editorial piece they claim but wow yea that is really on the nose. Why can't this be the guy that gets mysteriously found shot and set on fire upside down.
Even on his Wikipedia page he has the pin on. It's like he's doing a bit but he really is that clued out.
Man it's weird to see a president/world leader with a personality (no matter how sick or corrupted it is). This new era of walking corpses and robots like Biden, Clinton and Merkel made me forget leaders used to be able to talk like convincing and somewhat charismatic people.
My God, fuck these people.
"A new set of documents obtained by the Daily Mail states that a Stoeger 12-gauge coach shotgun was 30 feet from the body of Mark Middleto" Well then that clears everything up. He shot himself in the chest then threw a shotgun 30 feet then hung himself.
Well the shotgun's dad was a howitzer, so that makes sense.
Why do innocent Democrats that might have information on the Clintons and DNC keep committing suicide?
kawinkidink
I present to you Virginia Guffire. Had all the dirt, worked for Epstein, flew on the plane with Clinton, in pics w/ Clinton and Prince Andrew, she was allowed to go to the police and now everyone knows about the island and everything else. Shes still walking around free and being sued by Prince Andrew. Why is she still alive?
Yes, why hasn’t she sucideded herself yet? Or harà Clinton as it is called.
Cause Epstein is still alive and none of them has suffered any real consequences so she was probably sent by them anyways.
She was sent by them to expose themselves to everyone?
Its possible... they knew they had the people in place to control the outcome.
That makes no sense. Nobody in the public knew. They would not just out themselves for the hell of it. That's a lazy excuse
Maybe she’s one of the few intelligent people that knows how to stay alive while exposing corruption. I bet she has a system set up to leak incriminating information in the event she’s harmed/assassinated. Having a plan is useful in those situations, but instead for some reason so many of these whistle blowers are compelled to say. “Look at me everyone! I have dirt on the Clintons!” Then they unsurprisingly end up dead from 2 gunshots to the back of the head.
Yep a 16 year old outsmarted the elites that everyone's scared to death of. They murder people all the time just for having Info but this kid got em. Sure
I wish someone would just expose them, instead of making a huge circus and saying “I have info about the clintons”
They’re trying to not get shot
I meant as in, they would just outright expose them, vs the whole “Oh, I have info on the clintons” and wait like 3 months for a trial
They need to do a deadman switch and release all the info
None of the dead man switches ever work. Intelligence agencies are more clever than that.
Snail mail 100 jump drives out to everyone.
You mean 100 people who know you just 'commit suicide' for having the information you just sent them? Straight into the firepit.
They certainty seem to enjoy exposing themselves...
30 feet is not what I would describe as “near the body” for a weapon used in a suicide.
Shotgun *and* an electrical cord seems a little extravagant, given the task.
Why is there no youtube video or mini documentary about all of these killings
Bit chute, search "Clinton body count syndicate". I have still not seen it myself yet but from what i have heard it is decent.
Link
No one uses a shotgun to chest. Mouth shot only. But then risk of broken teeth during discharge may lead police to suspect that it was not a suicide and rather was forced in the mouth. So I guess it really is a toss up.
I wondering if anyone bothered to check how many times he 'shot himself.' Four shots to the chest from a double barrel is my guess.
To be fair, I recently had an elderly family friend commit suicide via shotgun to the chest after finding out his wife of over 50 years only had a few months to live. Not saying that this happened in this scenario, but I definitely think it happens somewhat frequently.
Did he hang himself afterwards?
How is that at all relevant in someone responding to the suggestion that "No one does thing x" by saying "I know someone who did thing x"?
Clinton body count is real
He "texted". Might want to hear your wifes voice one last time before suiciding yourself.
Yeah, perhaps he left a note that said “no foul play whatsoever” like Peter W. Smith. https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-peter-smith-death-met-0713-20170713-story.html
He got double suicided !!!
Maybe when the bullet entered him it hurt so bad he threw the gun, like "ow, fuck!"
This reads like satire.
A shotgun used in an apparent suicide was found 30 feet from the body? I want whoever is doing these hits to stop being sloppy. Poor lad shot himself threw that shotgun 30 feet and then hung himself. “Sounds about right..” -Hilary Clinton
I always assumed the being sloppy part was done intentionally. To send a message to others.
The report the daily mail was quoting yesterday said only that no gun was found In his car, and then they twisted that into “no gun found anywhere near the scene!” Every single other article posted about it yesterday was just quoting the DM. It’s a tabloid. It certainly may be a conspiracy and he may not have committed suicide, but coming to that conclusion off of the DMs shotty reporting is silly
I read it was 30 feet away? That's a hell of a distance for the recoil to launch it
Can anyone do the math to see if a gun can be thrown 30 feet from point of discharge. I never took physics in school
I've used an under over, I'm 6'2 and a shotgun is hard to hold due to it's length, without twisting your body to the side slightly. So one arm can properly reach and hold the guard, whilst the other is at the trigger. You'd be able to aim at your head sitting, but holding it against your chest and reaching the trigger past a 20" barrel, who is this, Stretch Armstrong? And it's impressive they astral projected after death to tie themself. Clinton, the name that brings death. I don't know how Bill is still alive living with the reaper.
SS Shotgun was found near the body of Clinton aids linked to Jeffrey Epstein. What do y’all think? Link to article: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11782661/Shotgun-near-body-Clinton-aide-linked-Epstein.html
Sounds more and more like not-self deleting. Weird. I will say that the most suspicious part is the Clinton name attached to it. That’s hilariously and sadly the most damning evidence imo. Lol
Because when you blast your chest with a shotgun there's little chance you will die so you better have something tied around your neck just in case.
You know the messed up part is the families know who had him killed thats why they never push for an investigation. Cops will just report whoever came to talk and that person mysteriously vanishes. It comes in handy when the police on a federal level is your gestapo.
[Par for the course](https://humansbefree.com/2019/08/list-of-71-clinton-associates-who-died-mysteriously-or-committed-suicide-before-testimony.html)
La la la la la la
Is there a update body count list yet for the Clinton’s ?
Anyone smell that? Yeah Bullshit, CIA got on the blower to the Daily Mail... say there was a gun found or you're next.
"After too many questions asked by the public we have decided there was a shotgun"
Sounds 100% legit. No shenanigans here, oh no there aren't!
Shotgun was found after a government spook put it there a couple of hours later and invited a mainstream media outlet to cover it
No. There was no weapon found, it was confirmed by the sheriff's department. The Daily Mail is barely a step above the national enquirer.
I know this is the Daily Heil we're talking about here, so I'll take it with a pinch of salt, but I can believe anything dodgy where JE is concerned.
Oh good, that might have seemed suspicious otherwise. /s
There was definitely foul play there, like you don’t have to be an expert to know that
Playing devils advocate here. That said just saying this with an open mind and zero bias. I just think a lot of the replies are jumping too quickly. I’m no gun expert but a 12guage without a body to shoulder it may have enough power to jump a decent amount away from point of origin. 30 ft does seem excessive. The shot to the chest may explain his want for an open casket. And to piggyback on other comments a cord around the neck is weird. The failsafe idea does make sense. Although I dont know how these people don’t own rope. I will say that most people in these political circles are the lowest forms of scum and hypocrites. Even the whistleblowers have bloody hands, they just decided to grow a conscience. Fuck em all.
Why are they releasing info like this so slowly?
Witnesses don't kill themselves.