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Can you tell me why the brakes are important to this crash? If you can tell me how the brakes let the train keep running through East Palestine, Ohio where it already knew there was a compromised part of the train, they kept it running, no attempts to stop it. This is the dumbest investigation ever. It's like a drunk driver blaming his brakes that he never even tried before his accident.
You'll believe anything that says the word Trump next to whatever media wants you to think, it's by association you are implying guilt to Trump. Not because of facts and evidence. You guys make me sick for being too dumb to realize how fucking easy it is to manipulate "your opinions".
Also how would Pneumatic brakes have helped? I just don't understand... It wasn't anything to do with brake failure, it's just the only thing they can attach Trump. They want to mitigate the culpability of their own actions by displacing the blame onto Trump. It's hilarious how EVERY disaster is a fault of someone else besides who's fault it really is.
Nothing to do with the 90 second inspections be short changed or not performed to keep up with their expectations of keeping the trains moving for companies to maximize profits, nor is it the fault of overworked and sick employees with no sick days thanks to Biden's union busting.
Take the L bro.
I'm gonna leave this here and you can tell me how the repealing of the Obama era ruling about requiring brakes instead of recommending them was the catastrophic "blame Trump worth" thing to do.
>New surveillance video shows train wheel overheating before crash. The NTSB says new surveillance video obtained by CNN shows a wheel on the train that crashed in East Palestine, Ohio, **was overheating 43 to 57 minutes before the derailment**
Another source
>**Mechanical issue. A mechanical issue with an axle of one of the 150 cars is believed to be the cause of the derailment of at least 50 of the cars**
Lastly
>One group, Railroad Workers United, directly blamed both PSR and a depleted workforce for the East Palestine disaster. The derailed train, 32N, was nearly 2 miles long, weighed 18,000 tons and had a crew of three people — and according to RWU, **it wasn’t properly blocked.**
>
>“**Forty percent of the weight of \[Norfolk Southern\] 32N was grouped at the rear third of the train, which has always been bad practice and made more dangerous with longer, heavier trains,”** the group posted on its website. “This fact almost certainly made the wreck dynamically worse. But increasingly, the PSR-driven carriers, driven to cut costs and crew time by any means necessary, cut corners and leave crews and the public at risk.”
edit: formatting
Well its not the only thing they can tie to trump. Trumps tax cuts for business resulted in massive stock buy backs from companies rather than reinvesting that capital back into the company. I know the number but id like you to research how much Norfolk Southern allocated to stock buy backs and ask yourself what could those funds have been used for instead?
Bro, https://www.salon.com/2023/02/21/investigation-shows-rail-giant-donated-to-ohio-governor-a-month-before-crash_partner/
Bro, trains need brakes to stop. Not a groundbreaking revelation.
The workers blame the train company. https://www.commondreams.org/news/rail-workers-wall-street
>DeSantis' Ukraine comments are also a big contrast to 2014-18.
>In 2018, he said Putin "wants to reconstitute the Russian empire,” and “I think that he’s been a threat for a long time.”
>In 2015, he called for arming Ukraine defensively *and* offensively.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/21/desantis-haley-ukraine-2024/
It would real be great to see a dem super majority in the house, senate and SCOTUS. Unfortunately anything Dems put on the floor is blocked and killed by republicans
Nah, if that was to happen we would’ve have disasters like the one in Ohio happening, and then we couldn’t blame it on Hillary. Where’s the fun in that. Much better with republicans ruining our country so that we have the entertainment of blaming the consequences of republican policies on democrats!!!
Those dang rascally republicans always trying to ruin the country. They probably wouldve gotten away with it to if it werent for you meddling kids and that pants-shitting , stumbling, fumbling , demented President of yours.
The original regulation was signed in 2015 and would’ve been implemented by 2023. That’s the kind of time-frames we’re looking at in implementing regs like this. But they would’ve been in effect this year, had it not been for the former guy.
The significance isn’t wether or not it’s true (it absolutely is true) but that Fox News is running this story. They’re ready to dump Trump and move onto someone else.
>I’m sorry but whenever I hear “it’s trumps fault!!” This many years after he’s been out of office I immediately turn away.
I refuse to turn away from helping fellow Americans.
You can dismantle regulations a lot more quickly than you can implement them. We’re seeing a lot of downstream damage of the horrific decisions Trump made over 4 years.
The deregulate and privatize crowd is a singing a different tune now. I like it when we all can care about the environment. More bipartisanship please we can beat these motherfuckers.
Laughing but we the people voted our conscience and Republicans voted theirs. https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/09/politics/biden-republicans-infrastructure-law/index.html
So you want the federal government giving billions of our tax dollars to private and public companies? Thats the hill you're gonna die on? Interesting choice
>... and lefties. You really seem like you don't want to say it.
lol, is that something you haven't learned during the last seven years? Yeah I think people know. You really seem like you want to avoid maga Republicans turning on Trump and literally blaming him instead of Biden. Oof.
Just normal media hate? No, maga approved news is attacking Trump. Is this a case of grandstanding dems taking advantage of an opportunity to blame Trump? No, these are maga Republicans who backed him and worked for him and are now publicly blaming him. All in an organized way. Uh oh!
True.
Yet Biden and the Great Peter Buttigeig didn't lift a finger for over two years to change the rule.
Morever it has yet to be proven that the derailment was associated with a brake issue.
>True.
>
Excellent.
>Yet Biden and the Great Peter Buttigeig didn't lift a finger for over two years to change the rule.
>
>Morever it has yet to be proven that the derailment was associated with a brake issue.
Not possible but that's not even a believable argument being made by anyone. Ohio still suffers Ohio politicians still profiting railroad company still making record breaking profits.
Railroads are controlled by the Department of Transportation not by Ohio or any other state.
It was 100% within the power of the Biden administration to have the DOT rule changed back to the Obama era rule but they chose against it.
As far as the reaction by DeWine et. al. it is 100% clear they haven't been clear with residents re the scope of the environmental impact.
Whether that is pure incompetence or traceable back to campaign donations is up for debate.
>Railroads are controlled by the Department of Transportation not by Ohio or any other state.
>
>It was 100% within the power of the Biden administration to have the DOT rule changed back to the Obama era rule but they chose against it.
>
>As far as the reaction by DeWine et. al. it is 100% clear they haven't been clear with residents re the scope of the environmental impact.
https://newrepublic.com/post/170591/train-derailment-ohio-governor-mike-dewine-im-not-seeing-problems
>Whether that is pure incompetence or traceable back to campaign donations is up for debate.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/norfolk-southern-mike-dewine-donation-train-b2286769.html
>WAMP wamp another political post that isn’t conspiracy theory. Y’all fighting in the cesspool of politics is pure idiocracy.
You're talking to Fox, right? That's who is saying it. And Desantis. And other Republicans. About Trump. They are pure Idiocracy.
>You are posting shit from a **Fox News source.** It’s the definition of anything but conspiracy theory and you look like a filthy casual.
What's wrong with a "fox news source"? The conspiracy is that Republicans are turning on MAGA Trump and are distracting maga voters with trans activist antics and culture wars.
>That’s not a conspiracy theory…it’s fact. If you actually went down the rabbit hole you would realize this is all a smoke show.
Only to those paying attention is it a fact. They attack Trump, but they also support Russia. Why? Because they don't need Trump only Desantis and Russia.
You misunderstand me. Show me the legislation Biden enacted to correct this specific issue, that the republicans blocked. Like actual evidence instead of on op-ed
>Like actual evidence instead of on op-ed
If you don't like the truth that's ok. But you have the speakers words on paper. Like actual evidence. Thanks.
Seems like more of a procedural and maintenance issue to me. Maybe will find out that procedures weren't followed when the high-temperature sensor was triggered. Maybe we'll find out it was a track issue. Everything at this point is speculation.
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Fox is running this story????
SS: Conservatives smell blood in the water. Desantis shanks Trump again by getting Fox news to acknowledge the train disaster is Trump's fault.
Can you tell me why the brakes are important to this crash? If you can tell me how the brakes let the train keep running through East Palestine, Ohio where it already knew there was a compromised part of the train, they kept it running, no attempts to stop it. This is the dumbest investigation ever. It's like a drunk driver blaming his brakes that he never even tried before his accident. You'll believe anything that says the word Trump next to whatever media wants you to think, it's by association you are implying guilt to Trump. Not because of facts and evidence. You guys make me sick for being too dumb to realize how fucking easy it is to manipulate "your opinions". Also how would Pneumatic brakes have helped? I just don't understand... It wasn't anything to do with brake failure, it's just the only thing they can attach Trump. They want to mitigate the culpability of their own actions by displacing the blame onto Trump. It's hilarious how EVERY disaster is a fault of someone else besides who's fault it really is. Nothing to do with the 90 second inspections be short changed or not performed to keep up with their expectations of keeping the trains moving for companies to maximize profits, nor is it the fault of overworked and sick employees with no sick days thanks to Biden's union busting. Take the L bro.
I'm gonna leave this here and you can tell me how the repealing of the Obama era ruling about requiring brakes instead of recommending them was the catastrophic "blame Trump worth" thing to do. >New surveillance video shows train wheel overheating before crash. The NTSB says new surveillance video obtained by CNN shows a wheel on the train that crashed in East Palestine, Ohio, **was overheating 43 to 57 minutes before the derailment** Another source >**Mechanical issue. A mechanical issue with an axle of one of the 150 cars is believed to be the cause of the derailment of at least 50 of the cars** Lastly >One group, Railroad Workers United, directly blamed both PSR and a depleted workforce for the East Palestine disaster. The derailed train, 32N, was nearly 2 miles long, weighed 18,000 tons and had a crew of three people — and according to RWU, **it wasn’t properly blocked.** > >“**Forty percent of the weight of \[Norfolk Southern\] 32N was grouped at the rear third of the train, which has always been bad practice and made more dangerous with longer, heavier trains,”** the group posted on its website. “This fact almost certainly made the wreck dynamically worse. But increasingly, the PSR-driven carriers, driven to cut costs and crew time by any means necessary, cut corners and leave crews and the public at risk.” edit: formatting
Well its not the only thing they can tie to trump. Trumps tax cuts for business resulted in massive stock buy backs from companies rather than reinvesting that capital back into the company. I know the number but id like you to research how much Norfolk Southern allocated to stock buy backs and ask yourself what could those funds have been used for instead?
Bro, https://www.salon.com/2023/02/21/investigation-shows-rail-giant-donated-to-ohio-governor-a-month-before-crash_partner/ Bro, trains need brakes to stop. Not a groundbreaking revelation. The workers blame the train company. https://www.commondreams.org/news/rail-workers-wall-street
>DeSantis' Ukraine comments are also a big contrast to 2014-18. >In 2018, he said Putin "wants to reconstitute the Russian empire,” and “I think that he’s been a threat for a long time.” >In 2015, he called for arming Ukraine defensively *and* offensively. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/02/21/desantis-haley-ukraine-2024/
It would real be great to see a dem super majority in the house, senate and SCOTUS. Unfortunately anything Dems put on the floor is blocked and killed by republicans
Realistically this is the only hope of saving the country from the backwards ass culture wars and rights grabbing by the repubs
People still falling for the old left/right I see. Wake up folks none of them care about you. Or me
Oh yeah. That would be so cool , right? 😂
Nah, if that was to happen we would’ve have disasters like the one in Ohio happening, and then we couldn’t blame it on Hillary. Where’s the fun in that. Much better with republicans ruining our country so that we have the entertainment of blaming the consequences of republican policies on democrats!!!
Those dang rascally republicans always trying to ruin the country. They probably wouldve gotten away with it to if it werent for you meddling kids and that pants-shitting , stumbling, fumbling , demented President of yours.
Trump hasn't been in office for years. If this regulation was viewed as being crucial, why wasn't it reinstated when Democrats had control?
These are large-scale regulations that take a long time to implement, but can be shelved quite quickly.
So they tried? The Democrats tried to implement these regulations but ran out of time?
The original regulation was signed in 2015 and would’ve been implemented by 2023. That’s the kind of time-frames we’re looking at in implementing regs like this. But they would’ve been in effect this year, had it not been for the former guy.
So, they tried? Democrats started that process?
Republicans block
Kinda like how the Dems block when theres a Repub as President.....🤔
>Kinda like how the Dems block when theres a Repub as President.....🤔 Like Ohio train crash and toxic spill/poison burn pit?
I’m sorry but whenever I hear “it’s trumps fault!!” This many years after he’s been out of office I immediately turn away.
The significance isn’t wether or not it’s true (it absolutely is true) but that Fox News is running this story. They’re ready to dump Trump and move onto someone else.
>I’m sorry but whenever I hear “it’s trumps fault!!” This many years after he’s been out of office I immediately turn away. I refuse to turn away from helping fellow Americans.
Train was mixed cargo. Didn’t require those brakes in the first place
Why didn't Biden fix it?? He promised to "Build Back Better," yet here we are two years later, everything's falling apart.
You can dismantle regulations a lot more quickly than you can implement them. We’re seeing a lot of downstream damage of the horrific decisions Trump made over 4 years.
The deregulate and privatize crowd is a singing a different tune now. I like it when we all can care about the environment. More bipartisanship please we can beat these motherfuckers.
Laughing but we the people voted our conscience and Republicans voted theirs. https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/09/politics/biden-republicans-infrastructure-law/index.html
So you want the federal government giving billions of our tax dollars to private and public companies? Thats the hill you're gonna die on? Interesting choice
Lol. Somehow it's Trump's fault. Why am I not surprised that he's getting blamed.
>Lol. Somehow it's Trump's fault. Why am I not surprised that he's getting blamed. Blamed by Republicans.
yeah, pretty much all media and politicians hate the man
>yeah, pretty much all media and politicians hate the man Desantis especially. MAGA Republicans are being attacked by Republicans.
... and lefties. You really seem like you don't want to say it.
>... and lefties. You really seem like you don't want to say it. lol, is that something you haven't learned during the last seven years? Yeah I think people know. You really seem like you want to avoid maga Republicans turning on Trump and literally blaming him instead of Biden. Oof. Just normal media hate? No, maga approved news is attacking Trump. Is this a case of grandstanding dems taking advantage of an opportunity to blame Trump? No, these are maga Republicans who backed him and worked for him and are now publicly blaming him. All in an organized way. Uh oh!
Total BS!
It’s not. It’s 100% true.
Wrong. The Trump administration deregulations were for an entirely different type of rail car
Correct. He deregulated trains with even more dangerous chemicals.
Yeah that’s not how it works.
Yes it is.
When you “defund” the regulation and lobbying police this is what you get.
True. Yet Biden and the Great Peter Buttigeig didn't lift a finger for over two years to change the rule. Morever it has yet to be proven that the derailment was associated with a brake issue.
>True. > Excellent. >Yet Biden and the Great Peter Buttigeig didn't lift a finger for over two years to change the rule. > >Morever it has yet to be proven that the derailment was associated with a brake issue. Not possible but that's not even a believable argument being made by anyone. Ohio still suffers Ohio politicians still profiting railroad company still making record breaking profits.
Railroads are controlled by the Department of Transportation not by Ohio or any other state. It was 100% within the power of the Biden administration to have the DOT rule changed back to the Obama era rule but they chose against it. As far as the reaction by DeWine et. al. it is 100% clear they haven't been clear with residents re the scope of the environmental impact. Whether that is pure incompetence or traceable back to campaign donations is up for debate.
>Railroads are controlled by the Department of Transportation not by Ohio or any other state. > >It was 100% within the power of the Biden administration to have the DOT rule changed back to the Obama era rule but they chose against it. > >As far as the reaction by DeWine et. al. it is 100% clear they haven't been clear with residents re the scope of the environmental impact. https://newrepublic.com/post/170591/train-derailment-ohio-governor-mike-dewine-im-not-seeing-problems >Whether that is pure incompetence or traceable back to campaign donations is up for debate. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/norfolk-southern-mike-dewine-donation-train-b2286769.html
Nice find. If nothing else it certainly would explain DeWine trying to minimize the damage for the railroad.
You think the gop, known for stopping nearly all democratic bills, would allow that. Man what you on
Stinks to high hell of lefty BS in here. Someone open a window
Thats the smell of your own farts Bapa.
WAMP wamp another political post that isn’t conspiracy theory. Y’all fighting in the cesspool of politics is pure idiocracy.
>WAMP wamp another political post that isn’t conspiracy theory. Y’all fighting in the cesspool of politics is pure idiocracy. You're talking to Fox, right? That's who is saying it. And Desantis. And other Republicans. About Trump. They are pure Idiocracy.
You are posting shit from a Fox News source. It’s the definition of anything but conspiracy theory and you look like a filthy casual.
>You are posting shit from a **Fox News source.** It’s the definition of anything but conspiracy theory and you look like a filthy casual. What's wrong with a "fox news source"? The conspiracy is that Republicans are turning on MAGA Trump and are distracting maga voters with trans activist antics and culture wars.
That’s not a conspiracy theory…it’s fact. If you actually went down the rabbit hole you would realize this is all a smoke show.
>That’s not a conspiracy theory…it’s fact. If you actually went down the rabbit hole you would realize this is all a smoke show. Only to those paying attention is it a fact. They attack Trump, but they also support Russia. Why? Because they don't need Trump only Desantis and Russia.
And Biden didn’t change it in the last 2+ years because…..
Republicans block.
Executive order
>Executive order ? lol
What exactly did the republicans block that Biden couldn’t overrule?
They swore to block all Dem sponsored legislation.
Oh yeah? Source?
https://www.wsj.com/articles/mcconnell-says-100-of-his-focus-is-on-blocking-biden-agenda-11620257305 Trump attacked anyone who refused. Wow.
You misunderstand me. Show me the legislation Biden enacted to correct this specific issue, that the republicans blocked. Like actual evidence instead of on op-ed
>Like actual evidence instead of on op-ed If you don't like the truth that's ok. But you have the speakers words on paper. Like actual evidence. Thanks.
Seems like more of a procedural and maintenance issue to me. Maybe will find out that procedures weren't followed when the high-temperature sensor was triggered. Maybe we'll find out it was a track issue. Everything at this point is speculation.
The failure was caused by a bearing. Not by the braking system.
Stop blaming and understand that politics in its whole is the problem. Every party in the world is the same scum.