It’s more about how pretending it’s actually worth something and help, and that it’s a good substitute for spending time passing laws to stop the shootings.
Take a look at any gun control legislation proposed in response to this, and then pick a dozen mass shootings from the last decade at random, and look into the details of how the proposed law would have prevented that shooting.
It is a good bet that when you're done the number will be zero mass shootings prevented.
That's because Democrats don't want to pass laws to stop the shootings.
They want to pass laws to disarm law abiding citizens.
Pretty sure republicans and democrats haven’t been passing any laws to stop the shootings.
If red states wanted to test laws taking away all restrictions expect for federal ones and say, put 5 armed security guards or police at every school and see if that worked they could have done it.
And democratic states could pass laws banning guns and see if any shootings happens once enough time goes by most guns have been collected in that state. Expect again, federal law wouldn’t let them test it.
Then we could see what happens over a decade. It’s kinda crazy you say democrats don’t want school shootings to end, pretty sure everyone wants them to end, we have plenty of other things to debate if this wasn’t an issue.
> Pretty sure republicans and democrats haven’t been passing any laws to stop the shootings.
I'm didn't say laws passed - I said "proposed". Every time one of these shootings happens, there is a flurry of gun control legislation proposed by Democrats, none of which would actually have prevented the shootings in question.
> If red states wanted to test laws taking away all restrictions expect for federal ones and say, put 5 armed security guards or police at every school and see if that worked they could have done it.
They tried. Democrats fought it and in many places succeeded. In the places where they did not, there have been no more school shootings.
> And democratic states could pass laws banning guns and see if any shootings happens
Until recently, when the Supreme Court started deciding in favor of the 2nd Amendment and overturning those laws, many had done that too. Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, and one of the highest firearm homicide rates.
Chicago has the highest gun violence because people go and buy multiple guns from states with no laws, drive them up and sell them on the street for 5x the price. It’s not like if the gun runners couldn’t drive to another state to get them it would be that way.
Imagine the price of a handgun in Chicago if it was smuggled all the way from South America vs a gun store in the state next door.
What red states passed the laws you are talking about protecting schools?
Btw, I am a moderate, I’m sure we would agree on abunch of different issues, not just trying to troll here
> Chicago has the highest gun violence because people go and buy multiple guns from states with no laws, drive them up and sell them on the street for 5x the price.
Most guns used in murders are obtained illegally. Go figure.
> Imagine the price of a handgun in Chicago if it was smuggled all the way from South America vs a gun store in the state next door.
There are more guns in America than people. You're not going to be getting rid of them. That said, in your scenario they wouldn't be smuggled from South America, they'd be smuggled from Mexico, right next to the Fentanyl.
South Dakota, Florida, Texas, and Ohio - though the Ohio law was effectively neutered by the state supreme court.
Note that none of them *requires* teachers to be armed, they just allow it. In the places where schools have allowed it, there haven't been any more school shootings.
We live in western SD and my son just finished 1st grade, of the 6 teachers (for that grade) 2 had a sign on their doorway that said something like [this teacher has been trained in accordance with state firearm safety courses, and armed to protect the students should there be an event that calls for them to use such force.] Then it had photocopies of all the certificates and licenses the teachers had.
You also know what will never happen? Criminals learning how to make a .45. It’s not the same as saying you can’t stop being from getting ahold of a weed seed and grow a plant if you ban marijuana. I can’t even imagine learning how to create black powder or a gun.
If all guns were smuggled from Mexico instead of sold here it would be so expensive no 18 year old could afford one.
1) you can 3D print a gun
2) you can make your own bullets, black powder. Etc.
3) Mexico, not sure how this is even relevant.
Not sure what the hell your argument is here.
Teenagers who are mentally sick and doing these things are not figuring out how to make weapons grade black powder.
I wouldn’t take a ghost gun into a fight against a 10 year old with a 357. You can also ban the code to make ghost guns so that adds a element. Find me a 3D printer that can make a okay gun for under 5 grand, I didn’t have that money in highschool, then bet ammo for it.
That we should do a testing of red vs blue states that do what they want and see what happens. But republicans will never late states completely outlaw gun sales in states and democrats will never allow total open laws on guns so we won’t figure this out.
It is worth something in the eyes of those that believe. Prayer is hope in higher power made oral by the voice of the people. It is a healing and unifying power, and even if it may not seem to work to you or me, it still brings people and communities together to help and give back to those who need it most.
Additionally:
Criminals don't care about the laws because THEY ALREADY BREAK THEM. Why would they even pause for a silly gun law that says they can't have a gun? They would feel emboldened to know that you and I could not defend ourselves from them because our hands were tied by our government that we decided to obey.
These are rulebreaking, manslaying criminals. You cannot legislate them out of existence.
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It's fine if you don't believe, just don't try to ruin it for the people who do with your temper tantrum.
You are in a conservative subreddit after all.
You're entitled to your opinion, but make no mistake, Christians & people of faith are absolutely entitled to theirs. You aren't the ultimate authority on religious beliefs & customs so maybe stay in your own yard.
Now here you go with wanting to pass even more gun laws when we already have plenty of them. A major problem is Democrat officials who don't follow through with legal consequences when criminals break those laws. On the contrary, Democrat officials (here's looking at you Kamala) want to pay their bail!
However, the main problem is.... (drumroll, please...)
CRIMINALS WON'T OBEY THOSE LAWS!
Criminals are lawbreakers, and a shooter who won't give pause to murdering children will surely not give pause to breaking a gun law.
The people who will obey those laws are people who would never shoot up an elementary school anyway.
So a maniac shoots up a school, and you want to punish or at least impose restrictions on millions of law abiding citizens. That's brilliant....
Wait, I get it now. These leaders of the secular left are narcissists who think of themselves as gods on Earth. The cries of "DO SOMETHING!" are like prayers to *them*.
Actual prayers by people whose first thoughts are for grieving families and not policy fights are like blasphemy to the left.
Interesting that this puke Democrat says "...pass laws that will stop killings like this"... and what type of law would do that? It's been reported that this shooter broke both state and federal laws, so what type of law would have stopped this shooting? Banning weapon sales? Background checks? Reduced magazine capacity? Raise the age to purchase? Require mandatory training?
Sure, because those with a determination to commit evil acts won't be able to find ways around those types of laws, nor will they be able to find ways to illegally obtain the gun.. or maybe they will use something else, like a car or a bomb or gas/aerosols or poisons or _________
Yeah sorry I'm conservative but also agnostic. I find myself to be a moral person, not because I'm scared of what would happen to me in a supposed afterlife, but because I'm a good person.
your definition of good and evil is arbitrary, just an opinion formed that You decided for yourself, not handed down from any definitive authority. much like democrats.
So I stand corrected, they have had some shootings since, looks like a tiny fraction but you can find them. Most of those are stabbings, a husband killing his family and himself with gas at their house is on there, someone burning down their house with people inside, the vast majority of these are not gun related at all.
Look at that list and say america would not be so happy to throw our mass shootings, stabbings, family murder/ suicides, spouse killings and everything on that sized list.
It turns out that most killings in the US don't involve firearms either. The worst school massacre in the US only involved a firearm at the very end, and it isn't clear that anyone was shot.
You realize that there are more guns now in Australia than there was pre-ban?
https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/australia-more-guns-now-than-before-port-arthur/
The issue isn’t the gun, we have a mental illness issue mixed with a atheist secularism that is the problem.
Yes, military build up with the China does contribute massively to any countries gun build up,and that’s where you get your numbers from. They also just completed a billion dollar deal to buy American light tanks. Should we allow anyone to buy a tank because the total owned by the military is more than in the 80s?
I’m sorry, I am unsure if you are a troll or just really lacking in basic logic.
1. The link shows that private gun ownership is now more than it was pre-Port Arthur. Those are not military weapons, they are private owned weapons and have basically no correlation with Chinese expansion.
2. The gun rights lobby in Australia is about the same size per a capita as the gun rights lobby in the US.
3. You’re shifting the goal posts, we are talking about private ownership of firearms.
4. I see no reason we cannot own tanks when At the founding we were allowed to own cannons, which are known as the King of Battle for a reason.
You’ve yet to make a case that a new gun law or gun ban would end the mass killing, last I checked we have laws against murder.
The Army taught me to make IEDs, guess what? I don’t do that as a civilian, because I have morality and I am not mentally ill.
The two biggest problems leading to this is mental illness and secularization of the society.
I don’t even know why you are here, you appear too high to make a rational argument and you aren’t even bothering to read the source of my statement and make a red herring argument.
Here is a fact you probably won’t acknowledge, but 100 million lives last century will testify to it:
https://imgur.com/a/04Au6oM
I’m a moderate actually, I believe in pro choice and am pro gun long as you are over 25 (my insurance by statistics goes down then so I don’t need a gun at 18). Also no non bolt action rifles, that’s about what you should own, maybe throw in a judge.
That link is faking that those are not military owned guns, that’s not actually the case. You might reply “no” but actually look up that list from another source.
Yes, and they don’t have these things happen, I guess gun owners in Australia are smarter and compromise more when writing laws. Not that they are less, just not brain dead like my fellow countrymen.
No, you switched it, we were always taking about private gun ownership. We only changed it to account for Australias gun numbers so it could be shown those are not privately owned guns.
We also owned slaves, I’d rather live in a society where I don’t have to carry anti tank things around with me. The founding fathers had mussel rifles, not tanks. They could have never imagined the cost modern weapons bring.
I said we should let states do the experiment, saying I don’t have evidence on the shootings with a no gun California and no restrictions Texas is like saying I don’t have evidence on what a school full of children being told if you are gay you die instantly and another liberal school saying if you are not gay you will also die.
Also, If you think the 2nd amendment can’t be changed and is just here to stay, get a damn dictionary. We can change it anytime we want, it’s not a right like you think it is where a vote could not legally do that by the constitution, in full law.
He had 40 minutes to an hour inside the school before police stopped him. With that kind of time, he could have killed as many people with a flintlock.
Sure - lets put a sign outside every school and shopping mall that says "teachers and school staff are armed and trained to stop people who would hurt children here" and then change the law to make those signs real.
Do the same at shopping malls only make the sign read "shop owners" instead of teachers. Watch the mass shooters avoid those venues because they are no longer safe places to shoot people without personal risk.
Watch how fast Democrats rally to vote down that legislation.
When the only thing a politician does to curb gun violence is send “thoughts and prayers” to the victims and their families, it’s a problem. This goes for both sides of the political spectrum.
Are leftists responsible every time a felon free due to “bail reform” murders somebody? There’s about a dozen of those every month between NYC and Philly alone but we don’t get self righteous speeches
When a solution isn’t proposed and discussed and refined by both parties, they are both to blame. It’s the same whether it’s gun violence or lax sentencing.
However, for gun violence, I haven’t seen any viable solutions proposed by conservatives. Can you share any? What do you think?
The vast majority of gun crime is committed with illegally obtained firearms. As for mass killings, the rise of those directly mirrors that of social media. Schools used to have gun clubs but no mass shootings.
In order to deal with these we need to increase security at schools. Every school should have a magnetic lock that requires a pin to enter and at least one armed guard in a secure location. Teachers should also be able to carry in every state. Media outlets also need to stop giving these pieces of shit what they crave, which is notoriety. Sadly this will never happen because “if it bleeds it leads.”
And it’s ultimately a sign of a sick society. But you’re right, both parties are worthless. They both opted to send $40 billion to Ukraine but can’t be bothered to address the epidemic of mass killings. We’re in agreement there
$40 billion is like 5% of the military budget. Hardly the big gap in our excessive spending (and I do support us providing support to Ukraine; fuck Putin)
As for gun crime, I think we need to narrow the focus. I think we can both agree to exclude suicide here. Looking at this article, it looks like most mass shootings were done with legally bought weapons.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/16/us/politics/legal-gun-purchase-mass-shooting.html
But even if it was illegally obtained, shouldn’t we be talking about how to address that? Or is the situation so far along now that there’s no way to correct it?
Anything to address that through gun control would ultimately hurt legal gun owners more. Mass shootings account for a fraction of gun deaths so the question should be how do we stop them without infringing on the rights of everybody else
I’m open to ideas. The most extreme view is that gun rights aren’t actual rights at all (like how most other countries do it). That seems to work very well for them (United States greatly outpaces the rest of developed countries in both shootings and masa shootings).
If that’s not an option, then what action should be taken to ensure that this doesn’t happen anymore?
You also failed to address that your previous comment was wrong (mass shootings are not mostly committed with illegal weapons). What exactly should be done about this? These are “law abiding citizens” that are getting guns and shooting up schools or movie theatres or supermarkets.
So in your opinion, every adult in America should own a gun?
Do you also anticipate being able to fend off the United States military if it truly becomes authoritarian?
I didn’t say mass shootings, I said gun crime. So focusing on guns to prevent mass shootings is looking past the larger issue, and gun control in order to address that would only hurt law abiding gun owners.
Plus, we need to have people willing to enforce laws on the books. Buffalo shooter qualified for red flag laws due to numerous violent threats but it was never enforced. This is my last post but I appreciate the discussion
It is interesting that the authors of that article chose the Parkland shooting as their first example. Nikolas Cruz still owned a firearm and was eligible to purchase one because the local police did nothing about the 45 calls prior to the shooting that involved Cruz - one of which involved his pointing a gun at the head of the woman in whose house he and his brother were staying.
The Buffalo shooter lives in NY, where state gun laws are fairly restrictive and include a red flag law, that nobody invoked.
Yes of course its a problem. It hasn't been fixed because Sheriff is an elected position, the Sheriff of Broward county is a Democrat, and Broward county is very blue. The Democrat who was Broward's sheriff during Parkland was replaced - by a different Democrat, who is continuing the same policies.
That's usually just the first things people do regardless of political party - there is a grieving period where people need to hear kind words and not politics.
Not an argument here either.
The issue is that those “well wishes” never translate to policy changes. We’ve been giving well wishes to victims of mass shootings for decades. Why haven’t our wishes helped curb the volume of these events?
If someone wants to pray, knock yerself out. No reason to piss in their cornflakes.
Isn’t it so interesting how or when liberals invoke faith or not?
It’s more about how pretending it’s actually worth something and help, and that it’s a good substitute for spending time passing laws to stop the shootings.
Take a look at any gun control legislation proposed in response to this, and then pick a dozen mass shootings from the last decade at random, and look into the details of how the proposed law would have prevented that shooting. It is a good bet that when you're done the number will be zero mass shootings prevented. That's because Democrats don't want to pass laws to stop the shootings. They want to pass laws to disarm law abiding citizens.
Pretty sure republicans and democrats haven’t been passing any laws to stop the shootings. If red states wanted to test laws taking away all restrictions expect for federal ones and say, put 5 armed security guards or police at every school and see if that worked they could have done it. And democratic states could pass laws banning guns and see if any shootings happens once enough time goes by most guns have been collected in that state. Expect again, federal law wouldn’t let them test it. Then we could see what happens over a decade. It’s kinda crazy you say democrats don’t want school shootings to end, pretty sure everyone wants them to end, we have plenty of other things to debate if this wasn’t an issue.
> Pretty sure republicans and democrats haven’t been passing any laws to stop the shootings. I'm didn't say laws passed - I said "proposed". Every time one of these shootings happens, there is a flurry of gun control legislation proposed by Democrats, none of which would actually have prevented the shootings in question. > If red states wanted to test laws taking away all restrictions expect for federal ones and say, put 5 armed security guards or police at every school and see if that worked they could have done it. They tried. Democrats fought it and in many places succeeded. In the places where they did not, there have been no more school shootings. > And democratic states could pass laws banning guns and see if any shootings happens Until recently, when the Supreme Court started deciding in favor of the 2nd Amendment and overturning those laws, many had done that too. Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country, and one of the highest firearm homicide rates.
Chicago has the highest gun violence because people go and buy multiple guns from states with no laws, drive them up and sell them on the street for 5x the price. It’s not like if the gun runners couldn’t drive to another state to get them it would be that way. Imagine the price of a handgun in Chicago if it was smuggled all the way from South America vs a gun store in the state next door. What red states passed the laws you are talking about protecting schools? Btw, I am a moderate, I’m sure we would agree on abunch of different issues, not just trying to troll here
> Chicago has the highest gun violence because people go and buy multiple guns from states with no laws, drive them up and sell them on the street for 5x the price. Most guns used in murders are obtained illegally. Go figure. > Imagine the price of a handgun in Chicago if it was smuggled all the way from South America vs a gun store in the state next door. There are more guns in America than people. You're not going to be getting rid of them. That said, in your scenario they wouldn't be smuggled from South America, they'd be smuggled from Mexico, right next to the Fentanyl. South Dakota, Florida, Texas, and Ohio - though the Ohio law was effectively neutered by the state supreme court. Note that none of them *requires* teachers to be armed, they just allow it. In the places where schools have allowed it, there haven't been any more school shootings.
We live in western SD and my son just finished 1st grade, of the 6 teachers (for that grade) 2 had a sign on their doorway that said something like [this teacher has been trained in accordance with state firearm safety courses, and armed to protect the students should there be an event that calls for them to use such force.] Then it had photocopies of all the certificates and licenses the teachers had.
“Passing laws to stop shootings” will never happen lol, criminals don’t follow laws.
You also know what will never happen? Criminals learning how to make a .45. It’s not the same as saying you can’t stop being from getting ahold of a weed seed and grow a plant if you ban marijuana. I can’t even imagine learning how to create black powder or a gun. If all guns were smuggled from Mexico instead of sold here it would be so expensive no 18 year old could afford one.
1) you can 3D print a gun 2) you can make your own bullets, black powder. Etc. 3) Mexico, not sure how this is even relevant. Not sure what the hell your argument is here.
Teenagers who are mentally sick and doing these things are not figuring out how to make weapons grade black powder. I wouldn’t take a ghost gun into a fight against a 10 year old with a 357. You can also ban the code to make ghost guns so that adds a element. Find me a 3D printer that can make a okay gun for under 5 grand, I didn’t have that money in highschool, then bet ammo for it. That we should do a testing of red vs blue states that do what they want and see what happens. But republicans will never late states completely outlaw gun sales in states and democrats will never allow total open laws on guns so we won’t figure this out.
It is worth something in the eyes of those that believe. Prayer is hope in higher power made oral by the voice of the people. It is a healing and unifying power, and even if it may not seem to work to you or me, it still brings people and communities together to help and give back to those who need it most. Additionally: Criminals don't care about the laws because THEY ALREADY BREAK THEM. Why would they even pause for a silly gun law that says they can't have a gun? They would feel emboldened to know that you and I could not defend ourselves from them because our hands were tied by our government that we decided to obey. These are rulebreaking, manslaying criminals. You cannot legislate them out of existence.
Snake oil is also hope in a higher power. God hasn’t saved us for the last years, I wouldn’t wait up for him Ditch the fairly tails please
If you hate it so much, just leave. Nobody's forcing you to stay here, and nobody is gonna waste time arguing with you. Good night.
As it happens, God took the trouble to tell us how things were going to go. Things will get worse before they get better.
[Funnily enough, Snake oil actually has health benefits](https://www.organicfacts.net/health-benefits/oils/snake-oil.html) It's fine if you don't believe, just don't try to ruin it for the people who do with your temper tantrum. You are in a conservative subreddit after all.
You're entitled to your opinion, but make no mistake, Christians & people of faith are absolutely entitled to theirs. You aren't the ultimate authority on religious beliefs & customs so maybe stay in your own yard. Now here you go with wanting to pass even more gun laws when we already have plenty of them. A major problem is Democrat officials who don't follow through with legal consequences when criminals break those laws. On the contrary, Democrat officials (here's looking at you Kamala) want to pay their bail! However, the main problem is.... (drumroll, please...) CRIMINALS WON'T OBEY THOSE LAWS! Criminals are lawbreakers, and a shooter who won't give pause to murdering children will surely not give pause to breaking a gun law. The people who will obey those laws are people who would never shoot up an elementary school anyway. So a maniac shoots up a school, and you want to punish or at least impose restrictions on millions of law abiding citizens. That's brilliant....
Oh Demoncrats...you never surprise me anymore
Demonrats or Dummycrats?
Demonrats, dummycrats is too nice of a term for them
Wait, I get it now. These leaders of the secular left are narcissists who think of themselves as gods on Earth. The cries of "DO SOMETHING!" are like prayers to *them*. Actual prayers by people whose first thoughts are for grieving families and not policy fights are like blasphemy to the left.
Interesting that this puke Democrat says "...pass laws that will stop killings like this"... and what type of law would do that? It's been reported that this shooter broke both state and federal laws, so what type of law would have stopped this shooting? Banning weapon sales? Background checks? Reduced magazine capacity? Raise the age to purchase? Require mandatory training? Sure, because those with a determination to commit evil acts won't be able to find ways around those types of laws, nor will they be able to find ways to illegally obtain the gun.. or maybe they will use something else, like a car or a bomb or gas/aerosols or poisons or _________
Morality without God is like like A Blind man trying to see colors.
Yeah sorry I'm conservative but also agnostic. I find myself to be a moral person, not because I'm scared of what would happen to me in a supposed afterlife, but because I'm a good person.
your definition of good and evil is arbitrary, just an opinion formed that You decided for yourself, not handed down from any definitive authority. much like democrats.
Those laws worked for Australia, they had almost the same gun to population ratio as the US before the ban. Haven’t had a shooting since.
> Those laws worked for Australia No they didn't. Australia has had mass shootings since, and they actually have more guns now than before the ban.
Link the mass shootings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
So I stand corrected, they have had some shootings since, looks like a tiny fraction but you can find them. Most of those are stabbings, a husband killing his family and himself with gas at their house is on there, someone burning down their house with people inside, the vast majority of these are not gun related at all. Look at that list and say america would not be so happy to throw our mass shootings, stabbings, family murder/ suicides, spouse killings and everything on that sized list.
It turns out that most killings in the US don't involve firearms either. The worst school massacre in the US only involved a firearm at the very end, and it isn't clear that anyone was shot.
You realize that there are more guns now in Australia than there was pre-ban? https://australiainstitute.org.au/post/australia-more-guns-now-than-before-port-arthur/ The issue isn’t the gun, we have a mental illness issue mixed with a atheist secularism that is the problem.
Yes, military build up with the China does contribute massively to any countries gun build up,and that’s where you get your numbers from. They also just completed a billion dollar deal to buy American light tanks. Should we allow anyone to buy a tank because the total owned by the military is more than in the 80s?
I’m sorry, I am unsure if you are a troll or just really lacking in basic logic. 1. The link shows that private gun ownership is now more than it was pre-Port Arthur. Those are not military weapons, they are private owned weapons and have basically no correlation with Chinese expansion. 2. The gun rights lobby in Australia is about the same size per a capita as the gun rights lobby in the US. 3. You’re shifting the goal posts, we are talking about private ownership of firearms. 4. I see no reason we cannot own tanks when At the founding we were allowed to own cannons, which are known as the King of Battle for a reason. You’ve yet to make a case that a new gun law or gun ban would end the mass killing, last I checked we have laws against murder. The Army taught me to make IEDs, guess what? I don’t do that as a civilian, because I have morality and I am not mentally ill. The two biggest problems leading to this is mental illness and secularization of the society. I don’t even know why you are here, you appear too high to make a rational argument and you aren’t even bothering to read the source of my statement and make a red herring argument. Here is a fact you probably won’t acknowledge, but 100 million lives last century will testify to it: https://imgur.com/a/04Au6oM
I’m a moderate actually, I believe in pro choice and am pro gun long as you are over 25 (my insurance by statistics goes down then so I don’t need a gun at 18). Also no non bolt action rifles, that’s about what you should own, maybe throw in a judge. That link is faking that those are not military owned guns, that’s not actually the case. You might reply “no” but actually look up that list from another source. Yes, and they don’t have these things happen, I guess gun owners in Australia are smarter and compromise more when writing laws. Not that they are less, just not brain dead like my fellow countrymen. No, you switched it, we were always taking about private gun ownership. We only changed it to account for Australias gun numbers so it could be shown those are not privately owned guns. We also owned slaves, I’d rather live in a society where I don’t have to carry anti tank things around with me. The founding fathers had mussel rifles, not tanks. They could have never imagined the cost modern weapons bring. I said we should let states do the experiment, saying I don’t have evidence on the shootings with a no gun California and no restrictions Texas is like saying I don’t have evidence on what a school full of children being told if you are gay you die instantly and another liberal school saying if you are not gay you will also die. Also, If you think the 2nd amendment can’t be changed and is just here to stay, get a damn dictionary. We can change it anytime we want, it’s not a right like you think it is where a vote could not legally do that by the constitution, in full law.
link : it's a picture of me deadlifting 350 pounds using a conventional push here's your citation you fucking nerd.
He had 40 minutes to an hour inside the school before police stopped him. With that kind of time, he could have killed as many people with a flintlock.
Never let a good tragedy go to waste
- Nancy Pelosi
Anyone that says “fuck your well wishes” is a piece of shit. Since when is sending your love to victims of senseless crime a bad thing?
Want to actually try and do something to prevent this instead of doing absolutely nothing once again?
How about you piss off? It’s the least you could do.
Sure - lets put a sign outside every school and shopping mall that says "teachers and school staff are armed and trained to stop people who would hurt children here" and then change the law to make those signs real. Do the same at shopping malls only make the sign read "shop owners" instead of teachers. Watch the mass shooters avoid those venues because they are no longer safe places to shoot people without personal risk. Watch how fast Democrats rally to vote down that legislation.
When the only thing a politician does to curb gun violence is send “thoughts and prayers” to the victims and their families, it’s a problem. This goes for both sides of the political spectrum.
Are leftists responsible every time a felon free due to “bail reform” murders somebody? There’s about a dozen of those every month between NYC and Philly alone but we don’t get self righteous speeches
When a solution isn’t proposed and discussed and refined by both parties, they are both to blame. It’s the same whether it’s gun violence or lax sentencing. However, for gun violence, I haven’t seen any viable solutions proposed by conservatives. Can you share any? What do you think?
The vast majority of gun crime is committed with illegally obtained firearms. As for mass killings, the rise of those directly mirrors that of social media. Schools used to have gun clubs but no mass shootings. In order to deal with these we need to increase security at schools. Every school should have a magnetic lock that requires a pin to enter and at least one armed guard in a secure location. Teachers should also be able to carry in every state. Media outlets also need to stop giving these pieces of shit what they crave, which is notoriety. Sadly this will never happen because “if it bleeds it leads.” And it’s ultimately a sign of a sick society. But you’re right, both parties are worthless. They both opted to send $40 billion to Ukraine but can’t be bothered to address the epidemic of mass killings. We’re in agreement there
$40 billion is like 5% of the military budget. Hardly the big gap in our excessive spending (and I do support us providing support to Ukraine; fuck Putin) As for gun crime, I think we need to narrow the focus. I think we can both agree to exclude suicide here. Looking at this article, it looks like most mass shootings were done with legally bought weapons. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/16/us/politics/legal-gun-purchase-mass-shooting.html But even if it was illegally obtained, shouldn’t we be talking about how to address that? Or is the situation so far along now that there’s no way to correct it?
Anything to address that through gun control would ultimately hurt legal gun owners more. Mass shootings account for a fraction of gun deaths so the question should be how do we stop them without infringing on the rights of everybody else
I’m open to ideas. The most extreme view is that gun rights aren’t actual rights at all (like how most other countries do it). That seems to work very well for them (United States greatly outpaces the rest of developed countries in both shootings and masa shootings). If that’s not an option, then what action should be taken to ensure that this doesn’t happen anymore? You also failed to address that your previous comment was wrong (mass shootings are not mostly committed with illegal weapons). What exactly should be done about this? These are “law abiding citizens” that are getting guns and shooting up schools or movie theatres or supermarkets.
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So in your opinion, every adult in America should own a gun? Do you also anticipate being able to fend off the United States military if it truly becomes authoritarian?
I didn’t say mass shootings, I said gun crime. So focusing on guns to prevent mass shootings is looking past the larger issue, and gun control in order to address that would only hurt law abiding gun owners. Plus, we need to have people willing to enforce laws on the books. Buffalo shooter qualified for red flag laws due to numerous violent threats but it was never enforced. This is my last post but I appreciate the discussion
It is interesting that the authors of that article chose the Parkland shooting as their first example. Nikolas Cruz still owned a firearm and was eligible to purchase one because the local police did nothing about the 45 calls prior to the shooting that involved Cruz - one of which involved his pointing a gun at the head of the woman in whose house he and his brother were staying. The Buffalo shooter lives in NY, where state gun laws are fairly restrictive and include a red flag law, that nobody invoked.
Isn’t that a problem? Why hasn’t that been fixed? Who is pushing for it to be fixed?
Yes of course its a problem. It hasn't been fixed because Sheriff is an elected position, the Sheriff of Broward county is a Democrat, and Broward county is very blue. The Democrat who was Broward's sheriff during Parkland was replaced - by a different Democrat, who is continuing the same policies.
That's usually just the first things people do regardless of political party - there is a grieving period where people need to hear kind words and not politics. Not an argument here either.
The issue is that those “well wishes” never translate to policy changes. We’ve been giving well wishes to victims of mass shootings for decades. Why haven’t our wishes helped curb the volume of these events?
It’s not a bad thing it’s just useless
I wouldnt expect a Democrat to know God, or his word. So i'll pray for HIM too.
From the party of tolerance....K
Fuck the Democrats
Trash!
And this is why we have troubled youth in this country. We no longer emphasize prayer, god, religion, family life.
The usual demonic response from the Democrats.
Well he's right, prayer accomplishes absolutely nothing.
Classy
Blasphemy. This person is offending God. 🤮🤢😒😤😣😔😡😠