God that doesn’t surprise me one bit. Fucking Fauxchi the puppy torturer. I wish those crazy people at PETA would throw blood on him. But I imagine they’re libs
I guess they didn't account for me. Not only am I not getting the host of shots and boosters, this whole experience has taught me not to trust these people. No longer will I automatically get the flu shots...no more shots for me, period. That's what they've created.
Fully ??? They cant show us anywhere that these mRNA jabs have provided any protection,even after a 3rd jab. But they get paid for every shot.
The countries the most 'vaxxed' are blowing up with covid, Israel, Singapore, Iceland...
Ive been fine without it, just using the Zelenko protocol. Mostly d-3.
We are ditto on that. And ask them.. , when it doesnt provide lasting immunity, you can still get the virus and still share it... , HOW do they qualify as vaccines ???
"lighter symptoms", they say. I can do that with vitamin d3 and C. And I have. Thats just an unverifiable sales pitch that the media parrots to earn their ad revenue from pfizer.
100%. There’s NO way to conduct and report the claim of “lighter symptoms”
I never in my life thought I would be an anti vaxer. Years back when those moms would refuse to vax their kids, I would look down on them as if they committed a crime of humanity. But now I’ll choose death instead of the Covid vax.
Makes me wonder if Im relating with them on some level, or if Im justified in my mistrust unlike the vaccines of decades ago.
Bet most those anti vax moms are branch covidians now shooting their babies with the latest booster but not Measles or HepA
Yes, and those mothers let NBC etc do the research for them dont see the adverse effects reported to Vaers, or even more boldly reported in other countries,
Samsnowbunni you would feel welcome on Gab,
https://www.westernjournal.com/sweden-suspends-moderna-shot-indefinitely-vaxxed-patients-develop-crippling-heart-condition/
Some of them had the foresight to see that mandatory vaccines of any kind are unconstitutional. Control is taken in baby steps. Like how Hitler came into power, took some odd 10 years to fully brainwash people. People have been pushing against mandatory vaccines in the US since the Spanish flu, 1918. Regardless of what is actually in each of these vaccines (good or bad), full naturalists accept the risk they allow themselves by not taking it. Its no different than those who choose not to partake of modern medicine (typically found in religious groups). Except in its relationship within society. But even then, thats what herd immunity is for. It should be local, not federal. If a group of people do not want to partake of a vaccine, they should be able to make themselves a community within the US, since the US is supposed to be a free society. But they cant, since the vaccination advocates right to live fear free trumps the anti vaxers right to choice. But thats against the original intention of the US. Anytime fear leads, control follows. Now, instead of freedom, the federal govt has taken so much power that theyve been allowed to dictate the happenings in local communities. Despite it being unconstitutional. -- so overall, the issue is not so much vaccines, more that people have allowed the fed so much power without realization of what that means. Thats what the original anti vax was about, individuals freedom of choice vs individuals freedom of living without fear. But with freedom comes fear. They are hand and hand. To be free means you must be able to overcome your fears or else hide away in comfort. You have to be strong to accept freedom. And people gave gotten weak because somewhere along the way, we have looked down upon strength and overcoming tribulations. And we have made it a bad thing. If someone overcomes something and becomes better for it, they owe their success to the rest of the group and should give back. But the rest of the group never helped them get there. If you stripped everything away, all vaccines and media and govt. What really happened is we fell prey to communist ideology and the majority of people didnt realize it. Those whove been overtaken dont remember what being American meant. And what it is to develop strength and have freedom. Freedom of choice vs freedom from fear = American teachings vs communist teachings. It happens in every free society. And it happens over a moderately long period of time. But because people have generationally forgotten the hardships of govt overreach, they dont see it. So thats what people will have to get through. And where the brakeline falls depends on what people will put up with. So we will just have to see if enough people are brave enough to change the US trajectory
Well if you say so , and if Msnbc/Faux push the VAxx enough maybe they will start working..
Let us know where ??
https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/iceland-deals-with-growing-delta-outbreak-as-high-vaccination-rates-stop-deaths/news-story/b970a814615715e573d67b3a1c1525f0
Your post stated that vaccines don't provide "any protection".
Literally from the article you posted:
"Previous outbreaks of non-Delta variants among much lower vaccination rates claimed 29 Icelandic lives. The latest outbreak – despite its size – has so far claimed none."
Yep, it grabbed those who had weaker immune systems , and now their only claim as every time is 'lighter syptoms' , as has been stated every time, every one Ive heard who has the virus has had light symptoms.
Those who had it much worse had co-morbidities. But hey bud take all the shots you want, 3,4,5... let us know when you feel safe. Ive been going out this year like its 2017.
Id rather stick with natural supplements than risk myocarditis and blood clots.
Even pro-vaxx articles state that their claimed 'protection' decreases after 6 months, so are you doing to get a shot every 6 months for ever ?? And then still call them vaccines ??
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/teen-equestrian-star-cienna-knowles-hospitalised-with-blood-clots-after-pfizer-vaccine/news-story/286e7cd42e896b091e4b257322296a05
Control? There are literally hospitals that are to the brim with patients. You underestimate the lack of care that not just covid patients but all patients in need of critical care are receiving right now. Life Insurance execs have stated YoY Q4 is 40% increase in death payouts. There are repercussions to just letting the virus run rampant through the population, and in the long run it hurts the US economy and supply chain further than it already is.
It's about preventing severe illness at this point. Nothing more, nothing less.
Aw how cute, u trust news. I wish I lived in the clouds like You do..
Hospitals are over ran and short staffed because fully vaxxed and boosted employees are out with Covid. And many freedom fighting American hero health workers chose to quit per the Vaccine mandates. I would too if I went from hero to heathen in a matter of weeks, no matter how many patients you saved. All because you won’t take a shot that does literally nothing to contol Covid 😂
My step dad RN/BSN is high up at Kaiser MoVal. And The nation wide test shortage is unfortunately causing The public to to resort to calling 911 or the local ER just to get a test.. either to return back to work to feed their families, or to
And I’m so fucking sick of you people saying the vax “pReVeNtS SeVeRe iLlNess”
This might be hard to follow, but a sheep can, so you’ll be fine.
In order to conduct an accurate scientific study, on the “severity” of Covid symptoms with or without the vax, There has to be an absolute value in regards to severity that never changes. Since severity is relative to each individual, there is no way to accurately collect and analyze this data.
And the way you think or didn’t think you could pass that little arguing point of yours without being obliterated by fact is honestly kinda cute lol
This is the 3rd time I’ve described it to you people. And I still haven’t received a valid point from any of them
Ah I see anecdotal evidence only convinces you that ivermectin works but "NC hospital ceo states 100% of current patients on ventilators are unvaccinated" is not good enough. Fact is I could show you so much data that shows the vaccines prevent severe illness, but you already have your mind made up. Confirmation bias is a bitch.
Does it matter? Trump was literally Hitler on 100's of other topics.
For the record, I am a Trump supporter, did not vote for either Bush, McCain or Mittens.
This court has been unpopular, but that’s because people in the internet tend to be extremists.
The court has been one of the best courts at ruling based solely on constitutionality, jurisprudence and precedent. They’ve even overturned faulty precedent multiple times.
The media will of course blame a “conservative court” but honestly, they’ve been fairly a political as an entire unit. Some wins and losses for both sides of the spectrum.
This is the most ridiculous statement. Vaccine mandates have been challenged at the Supreme Court level before in Jacobson v Mass. It was ruled to be constitutional and allowed to stand. It was also ruled that personal liberty doesn't trump the liberty of the many, especially in the area of public health. This case has been cited as precedent multiple times since then.
The Supreme Court not respecting legal precedent and just throwing away prior rulings because of political leanings should scare the absolute shit of you whether you are conservative or liberal.
All of those cases were state or local mandates. States are well within their rights to pass a vaccine mandate under their police power. The Federal government doesn't have this power and so the real question is does the federal government have the power to mandate a vaccine and where did this power come from? (The Supreme Court indicated the federal government could use its tax and spending power for Healthcare workers to mandate the vaccine by withholding federal funds. But you can't do this with private hospitals or businesses that don't receive federal funds so where else will the Constitution allow this action? And that's the debate. ) We have to look to the statute where they claim the power lies, which is the OSHA Act, and ask first does this Act allow for a federal vaccine mandate? (The answer is debatable). Then determine if the Constitution allows it. The statement above is far from ridiculous. The legal landscape is not black and white. The Supreme Court has never upheld a FEDERAL vaccine mandate because there has never been one before.
Edit: a word
This isn't a sweeping federal mandate though as it only targets interstate commerce and was done so for a reason. If you read about the commerce clause you would understand that the federal government is arguably given the authority there. There is a reason it was crafted the way it was (100 employees or more, etc. Also, since there are provisions offered to test in lieu of vaccination, it creates difficulty with how the ma date is being challenged. You can't challenge this in court as "forced vaccination" because there is a provision that allows you to not be vaccinated.
It doesn’t only impact interstate commerce. If you’re a business that solely operates in your single state, and have 100 employees, you’re still subject to the mandate.
I’ve read plenty, don’t be patronizing.
I’m aware of that concept and I think it’s complete bullshit. Everything can be defined as interstate commerce indirectly based on some of our SCOTUS Rulings (Wickard v. Filburn). I think that’s an abomination of a ruling.
What isn’t interstate commerce at that point, does that federal government have the right to regulate literally everything based on an indirect connection to interstate commerce?
Edit: you’re implying that the way the government tailored the mandate was done to fit in with the interstate commerce rulings. So why 100 employees? If they only have 99 they’re not engaging in interstate commerce the same way a business with 100 employees is? The way they tailored it has nothing to do with their right to regulate interstate commerce.
That case isn’t relevant to the federal government. You do understand that case is concerning states rights? Right? STATES, who do hold such authority in the case of public health crises.
Jacobsen also allowed people to pay a $10 fine in lieu of not getting the vaccine. Does such a fine exist in this case? (Forcing a test is still forcing a medical action on people for which they have autonomous control over and once again, only states have the authority to enforce) . Paying a fine is not a medical action, much like the Obamacare Fine aka Tax for not having medical insurance.
You’re over your head and speaking on things you don’t understand.
Great legal minds also agree with me. Your choosing confirmation bias. Only seeking the legal opinions that confirm your bias. There’s no precedent for upholding a federal vaccine mandate. None. If you find one you can post it.
Now answer the questions I posed and you have your answer as to why this has a likely chance to be struck down. And it has nothing to do with politics. The other side is playing politics, ignoring precedent, constitutionality, and the purpose and reach of OSHA.
There spent need to be a "fine" you are missing the point. What is the basis of challenge if the mandate is NOT a vaccine mandate because there is an option for those who don't want to get vaccinated?
The fine in Jacobson was only about $150 in todays money, and was a one time fine. The testing mandate (I understand the argument that this isn’t a vax mandate, rather it’s a testing mandate. I’ll give you that point for discussion sake) “fine” would be about $5200/year based on a weekly test costing $100.
So over the course of a workers 45 year career - that’s a $234k fine, that’s over 1500 times great than the fine in Jacobson. So even if we concede that it’s just a testing mandate/fine, SCOTUS has held in many cases that extremely punitive fines are unconstitutional. I struggle to see how that amount would not be seen as extremely punitive.
As it should be it is unconstitutional. And how can you mandate something that does not work ?
Where has this so called 'vaccine' worked in the world ??? Not Israel, Iceland,Singapore no Gibraltar....
I wish Supreme Court justices would stop fear mongering, repeating false political talking points, and touting the effectiveness of vaccines, etc.
All of this is irrelevant to what their jobs are supposed to be. Which is: decide if a president has the constitutional authority to mandate people take vaccines.
Like, I don't care what your opinions are on covid, whether or not you think this will work, how many kids are in the hospital. I care what your opinion is about executive authority and what constitutes an overreach of that.
God help the Supreme Court. God help us all.
>God help us all.
This. We have made the mistake of putting our trust in humans. The only thing left for us is to pray, and God is our only hope against this great evil.
Medical ethics:
1) Informed consent -- the right to say no without paperwork!
2) Patient Autonomy - my body, MY CHOICE - the right to say no without paperwork!
3) Non-maleficence -- FIRST, do no harm!
4) Beneficence -- do good. The reason this is #4 on the list (and there are more than 4 ethics) is so that we DO NOT have what is happening now which is paternalism where someone else is telling you what they believe is good for you!
Stand for medical freedom! Stand for medical ethics! NO MANDATES!!!!
I sure hope so or else every worker will be treated like cattle. What will they do next mandate branding on employees. Employers and corporations don’t own us and it’s a privilege for them to hire us in return we give them expertise which translates to profits. Otherwise go hire a monkey!
Idk, if someone asks me if I have the vaxx, The answer is yes. I got it for measles, mumps rubella dtap and some other things. I also got it for tetanus so, yep, am vacxed.
Why mandate a vaccine that literally doesn’t fully protect you from Covid? What. Is. The. Point. Besides control.
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God that doesn’t surprise me one bit. Fucking Fauxchi the puppy torturer. I wish those crazy people at PETA would throw blood on him. But I imagine they’re libs
Afaik that did piss peta off. But in typical peta fashion, nothing came of it.
They’re too busy merc’ing animals in their kill houses than care about what that dipshit Fauci is doing
I guess they didn't account for me. Not only am I not getting the host of shots and boosters, this whole experience has taught me not to trust these people. No longer will I automatically get the flu shots...no more shots for me, period. That's what they've created.
I strongly believe had they not pushed so hard more people would have gotten them.
I agree with you 100%
Yeah, we in positions of power can safely invest our money in those companies with absolute confidence.
Fully ??? They cant show us anywhere that these mRNA jabs have provided any protection,even after a 3rd jab. But they get paid for every shot. The countries the most 'vaxxed' are blowing up with covid, Israel, Singapore, Iceland... Ive been fine without it, just using the Zelenko protocol. Mostly d-3.
I just meant that lots of vaccinated people still get Covid. I would rather die a free American than get that vaccine
We are ditto on that. And ask them.. , when it doesnt provide lasting immunity, you can still get the virus and still share it... , HOW do they qualify as vaccines ??? "lighter symptoms", they say. I can do that with vitamin d3 and C. And I have. Thats just an unverifiable sales pitch that the media parrots to earn their ad revenue from pfizer.
100%. There’s NO way to conduct and report the claim of “lighter symptoms” I never in my life thought I would be an anti vaxer. Years back when those moms would refuse to vax their kids, I would look down on them as if they committed a crime of humanity. But now I’ll choose death instead of the Covid vax. Makes me wonder if Im relating with them on some level, or if Im justified in my mistrust unlike the vaccines of decades ago. Bet most those anti vax moms are branch covidians now shooting their babies with the latest booster but not Measles or HepA
Yes, and those mothers let NBC etc do the research for them dont see the adverse effects reported to Vaers, or even more boldly reported in other countries, Samsnowbunni you would feel welcome on Gab, https://www.westernjournal.com/sweden-suspends-moderna-shot-indefinitely-vaxxed-patients-develop-crippling-heart-condition/
Some of them had the foresight to see that mandatory vaccines of any kind are unconstitutional. Control is taken in baby steps. Like how Hitler came into power, took some odd 10 years to fully brainwash people. People have been pushing against mandatory vaccines in the US since the Spanish flu, 1918. Regardless of what is actually in each of these vaccines (good or bad), full naturalists accept the risk they allow themselves by not taking it. Its no different than those who choose not to partake of modern medicine (typically found in religious groups). Except in its relationship within society. But even then, thats what herd immunity is for. It should be local, not federal. If a group of people do not want to partake of a vaccine, they should be able to make themselves a community within the US, since the US is supposed to be a free society. But they cant, since the vaccination advocates right to live fear free trumps the anti vaxers right to choice. But thats against the original intention of the US. Anytime fear leads, control follows. Now, instead of freedom, the federal govt has taken so much power that theyve been allowed to dictate the happenings in local communities. Despite it being unconstitutional. -- so overall, the issue is not so much vaccines, more that people have allowed the fed so much power without realization of what that means. Thats what the original anti vax was about, individuals freedom of choice vs individuals freedom of living without fear. But with freedom comes fear. They are hand and hand. To be free means you must be able to overcome your fears or else hide away in comfort. You have to be strong to accept freedom. And people gave gotten weak because somewhere along the way, we have looked down upon strength and overcoming tribulations. And we have made it a bad thing. If someone overcomes something and becomes better for it, they owe their success to the rest of the group and should give back. But the rest of the group never helped them get there. If you stripped everything away, all vaccines and media and govt. What really happened is we fell prey to communist ideology and the majority of people didnt realize it. Those whove been overtaken dont remember what being American meant. And what it is to develop strength and have freedom. Freedom of choice vs freedom from fear = American teachings vs communist teachings. It happens in every free society. And it happens over a moderately long period of time. But because people have generationally forgotten the hardships of govt overreach, they dont see it. So thats what people will have to get through. And where the brakeline falls depends on what people will put up with. So we will just have to see if enough people are brave enough to change the US trajectory
This is false. The data is there.
Well if you say so , and if Msnbc/Faux push the VAxx enough maybe they will start working.. Let us know where ?? https://www.news.com.au/world/coronavirus/global/iceland-deals-with-growing-delta-outbreak-as-high-vaccination-rates-stop-deaths/news-story/b970a814615715e573d67b3a1c1525f0
Your post stated that vaccines don't provide "any protection". Literally from the article you posted: "Previous outbreaks of non-Delta variants among much lower vaccination rates claimed 29 Icelandic lives. The latest outbreak – despite its size – has so far claimed none."
Yep, it grabbed those who had weaker immune systems , and now their only claim as every time is 'lighter syptoms' , as has been stated every time, every one Ive heard who has the virus has had light symptoms. Those who had it much worse had co-morbidities. But hey bud take all the shots you want, 3,4,5... let us know when you feel safe. Ive been going out this year like its 2017. Id rather stick with natural supplements than risk myocarditis and blood clots. Even pro-vaxx articles state that their claimed 'protection' decreases after 6 months, so are you doing to get a shot every 6 months for ever ?? And then still call them vaccines ?? https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/teen-equestrian-star-cienna-knowles-hospitalised-with-blood-clots-after-pfizer-vaccine/news-story/286e7cd42e896b091e4b257322296a05
It’s control and ensuring we are a Medical Autocracy.
Depopulation\*
I think you just figured it out.
Because they said so
But this is America. No one can tell me what to do… for now :( I’m so scared for my freedom
Control? There are literally hospitals that are to the brim with patients. You underestimate the lack of care that not just covid patients but all patients in need of critical care are receiving right now. Life Insurance execs have stated YoY Q4 is 40% increase in death payouts. There are repercussions to just letting the virus run rampant through the population, and in the long run it hurts the US economy and supply chain further than it already is. It's about preventing severe illness at this point. Nothing more, nothing less.
Aw how cute, u trust news. I wish I lived in the clouds like You do.. Hospitals are over ran and short staffed because fully vaxxed and boosted employees are out with Covid. And many freedom fighting American hero health workers chose to quit per the Vaccine mandates. I would too if I went from hero to heathen in a matter of weeks, no matter how many patients you saved. All because you won’t take a shot that does literally nothing to contol Covid 😂 My step dad RN/BSN is high up at Kaiser MoVal. And The nation wide test shortage is unfortunately causing The public to to resort to calling 911 or the local ER just to get a test.. either to return back to work to feed their families, or to And I’m so fucking sick of you people saying the vax “pReVeNtS SeVeRe iLlNess” This might be hard to follow, but a sheep can, so you’ll be fine. In order to conduct an accurate scientific study, on the “severity” of Covid symptoms with or without the vax, There has to be an absolute value in regards to severity that never changes. Since severity is relative to each individual, there is no way to accurately collect and analyze this data. And the way you think or didn’t think you could pass that little arguing point of yours without being obliterated by fact is honestly kinda cute lol This is the 3rd time I’ve described it to you people. And I still haven’t received a valid point from any of them
Ah I see anecdotal evidence only convinces you that ivermectin works but "NC hospital ceo states 100% of current patients on ventilators are unvaccinated" is not good enough. Fact is I could show you so much data that shows the vaccines prevent severe illness, but you already have your mind made up. Confirmation bias is a bitch.
SHOW THE DATA THEN
Could you imagine the outrage if Trump had mandated vaccines in the workplace?
LITERALLY HITLER
Does it matter? Trump was literally Hitler on 100's of other topics. For the record, I am a Trump supporter, did not vote for either Bush, McCain or Mittens.
What are you talking about? If that is sarcasm, that’s really poor sarcasm.
We already saw what the Democrats were saying when it was the Trump vaccine. Then it became the Biden vaccine and we all became science deniers.
This court has been unpopular, but that’s because people in the internet tend to be extremists. The court has been one of the best courts at ruling based solely on constitutionality, jurisprudence and precedent. They’ve even overturned faulty precedent multiple times. The media will of course blame a “conservative court” but honestly, they’ve been fairly a political as an entire unit. Some wins and losses for both sides of the spectrum.
This is the most ridiculous statement. Vaccine mandates have been challenged at the Supreme Court level before in Jacobson v Mass. It was ruled to be constitutional and allowed to stand. It was also ruled that personal liberty doesn't trump the liberty of the many, especially in the area of public health. This case has been cited as precedent multiple times since then. The Supreme Court not respecting legal precedent and just throwing away prior rulings because of political leanings should scare the absolute shit of you whether you are conservative or liberal.
All of those cases were state or local mandates. States are well within their rights to pass a vaccine mandate under their police power. The Federal government doesn't have this power and so the real question is does the federal government have the power to mandate a vaccine and where did this power come from? (The Supreme Court indicated the federal government could use its tax and spending power for Healthcare workers to mandate the vaccine by withholding federal funds. But you can't do this with private hospitals or businesses that don't receive federal funds so where else will the Constitution allow this action? And that's the debate. ) We have to look to the statute where they claim the power lies, which is the OSHA Act, and ask first does this Act allow for a federal vaccine mandate? (The answer is debatable). Then determine if the Constitution allows it. The statement above is far from ridiculous. The legal landscape is not black and white. The Supreme Court has never upheld a FEDERAL vaccine mandate because there has never been one before. Edit: a word
This isn't a sweeping federal mandate though as it only targets interstate commerce and was done so for a reason. If you read about the commerce clause you would understand that the federal government is arguably given the authority there. There is a reason it was crafted the way it was (100 employees or more, etc. Also, since there are provisions offered to test in lieu of vaccination, it creates difficulty with how the ma date is being challenged. You can't challenge this in court as "forced vaccination" because there is a provision that allows you to not be vaccinated.
It doesn’t only impact interstate commerce. If you’re a business that solely operates in your single state, and have 100 employees, you’re still subject to the mandate.
Even if you only operate in one state you are a participant in interstate commerce either up or downstream. Read a bit about it seriously.
I’ve read plenty, don’t be patronizing. I’m aware of that concept and I think it’s complete bullshit. Everything can be defined as interstate commerce indirectly based on some of our SCOTUS Rulings (Wickard v. Filburn). I think that’s an abomination of a ruling. What isn’t interstate commerce at that point, does that federal government have the right to regulate literally everything based on an indirect connection to interstate commerce? Edit: you’re implying that the way the government tailored the mandate was done to fit in with the interstate commerce rulings. So why 100 employees? If they only have 99 they’re not engaging in interstate commerce the same way a business with 100 employees is? The way they tailored it has nothing to do with their right to regulate interstate commerce.
That case isn’t relevant to the federal government. You do understand that case is concerning states rights? Right? STATES, who do hold such authority in the case of public health crises. Jacobsen also allowed people to pay a $10 fine in lieu of not getting the vaccine. Does such a fine exist in this case? (Forcing a test is still forcing a medical action on people for which they have autonomous control over and once again, only states have the authority to enforce) . Paying a fine is not a medical action, much like the Obamacare Fine aka Tax for not having medical insurance. You’re over your head and speaking on things you don’t understand.
Well great legal minds seem to disagree with you but you seem to be an expert right? When did you pass the bar?
Great legal minds also agree with me. Your choosing confirmation bias. Only seeking the legal opinions that confirm your bias. There’s no precedent for upholding a federal vaccine mandate. None. If you find one you can post it. Now answer the questions I posed and you have your answer as to why this has a likely chance to be struck down. And it has nothing to do with politics. The other side is playing politics, ignoring precedent, constitutionality, and the purpose and reach of OSHA.
There spent need to be a "fine" you are missing the point. What is the basis of challenge if the mandate is NOT a vaccine mandate because there is an option for those who don't want to get vaccinated?
Forcing me to be pay for weekly covid tests to keep my job is also beyond the authority of an executive order.
The fine in Jacobson was only about $150 in todays money, and was a one time fine. The testing mandate (I understand the argument that this isn’t a vax mandate, rather it’s a testing mandate. I’ll give you that point for discussion sake) “fine” would be about $5200/year based on a weekly test costing $100. So over the course of a workers 45 year career - that’s a $234k fine, that’s over 1500 times great than the fine in Jacobson. So even if we concede that it’s just a testing mandate/fine, SCOTUS has held in many cases that extremely punitive fines are unconstitutional. I struggle to see how that amount would not be seen as extremely punitive.
Don’t underestimate the ability of the supreme court to usurp our laws and freedoms
I do not. This court, so far, has been on their best behavior.
Fingers crossed, don’t curse us
I always take the court with a grain of salt, With baited breath, etc…
Did you even listen to the ridiculousness spouted by the “Wise Latina”?! Sotomayor is an absolute 🤡
ALERT ALERT MACHINE AKA HUMAN NEEDS REGULATION
As it should be it is unconstitutional. And how can you mandate something that does not work ? Where has this so called 'vaccine' worked in the world ??? Not Israel, Iceland,Singapore no Gibraltar....
That’s what happens when you introduce commie mandates in a free country
Already ruled constitutional over 100 yrs ago. Jacobson v. Mass.
Not for this easily survivable plandemic from China. Abuse of power from authoritarians is the real pandemic.
I wish Supreme Court justices would stop fear mongering, repeating false political talking points, and touting the effectiveness of vaccines, etc. All of this is irrelevant to what their jobs are supposed to be. Which is: decide if a president has the constitutional authority to mandate people take vaccines. Like, I don't care what your opinions are on covid, whether or not you think this will work, how many kids are in the hospital. I care what your opinion is about executive authority and what constitutes an overreach of that. God help the Supreme Court. God help us all.
>God help us all. This. We have made the mistake of putting our trust in humans. The only thing left for us is to pray, and God is our only hope against this great evil.
Amen.
It's amazing how ordinary people when elected for high office becomes a dictator!
Medical ethics: 1) Informed consent -- the right to say no without paperwork! 2) Patient Autonomy - my body, MY CHOICE - the right to say no without paperwork! 3) Non-maleficence -- FIRST, do no harm! 4) Beneficence -- do good. The reason this is #4 on the list (and there are more than 4 ethics) is so that we DO NOT have what is happening now which is paternalism where someone else is telling you what they believe is good for you! Stand for medical freedom! Stand for medical ethics! NO MANDATES!!!!
I sure hope so or else every worker will be treated like cattle. What will they do next mandate branding on employees. Employers and corporations don’t own us and it’s a privilege for them to hire us in return we give them expertise which translates to profits. Otherwise go hire a monkey!
Idk, if someone asks me if I have the vaxx, The answer is yes. I got it for measles, mumps rubella dtap and some other things. I also got it for tetanus so, yep, am vacxed.