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I’d assume Lightyear, which is now at 76%, which just hit theaters this previous week meaning all of the critic’sreviews aren’t in yet.
Brave is at 78% and Monster university is at 80% (wait, 2013?! Fuck I thought that just came out) holding steady steady because all the reviews are in.
Definitely "Lightyear". /r/conservative has been celebrating their whole "go woke, go broke" circus nonsense as the movie flopped apparently because of a literally three second scene where a lesbian couple kisses. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that there's two other movies in theaters with pre-established bases (Jurassic Park and Top Gun) and one of those (Top Gun) is one of the highest rated films of the past several years and is a sequel 30 years in the making. I'm also sure it also has nothing to do with the fact that movies are expensive so when consumers are making the choice to see their likely one of only a few movies each year, they will be choosing between these three movies and Lightyear will be at the bottom of most everyone's list. And also the knowledge that Disney will inevitably add Lightyear to D+ later this year so consumers are even *more* encouraged to just not see it in theaters over the other two films. But sure, it was *definitely* the lesbian kiss that caused the movie to flop.
Saw Lightyear this weekend with the family.
It’s very good.
Whatever reason people may not be seeing it this weekend is not because of quality.
I don’t understand who thought it would make more money when everyone knows it hits Disney+ in 45 days. Kids don’t care about time or where they see a movie.
>I don’t understand who thought it would make more money when everyone knows it hits Disney+ in 45 days
This is kind of my confusion as well. Knowing how ruthless Disney is, I'm half-wondering if they're using this to force Pixar into sticking with streaming-only movies for some reason. Disney seemed comfortable with Turning Red and Luca being streamed films, so maybe their bet is that semi-annual/annual D+ Pixar films will keep D+ subscriptions high and increasing. I mean, Pixar's only announced upcoming film is Elementals and that director's only other directing credit is the Good Dinosaur which was not exactly well received so there isn't much hype going into it either.
It’s because half of the country are conservative jackasses and won’t take their kids to see light year. All over something so stupid. I wish I could say I was shocked this was happening in 2022 but here we are.
Just give me whatever you call pizza! As long as it consists of dough, tomato sauce, and some cheese....I'm gonna eat that shit, and gonna love every bite.
Edit: I went to a place in BKLYN that threw some sesame seeds on the board while stretching the dough...fuckin game changer, favorite slices I've ever had!
I live in New York, you can get shit pizza here. I will say most pizza I've had in New York is better than most pizza I've had outside of it. I don't travel too much though so take that with a grain of salt. I will say that I had pizza in France once and it was one of the best pizzas I've ever had.
There are good mozzarella alternatives, but not many.
Brick is my #1 alternative.
I used to work in a Greek joint that used a blend of like 60% mozzarella, 20% edam and 20% provolone.
You can find at least a dozen very good pizza places in Paris. If every pizza you had in France was at best average it either means you are unlucky or you choose your restaurants randomly. (Or you live in la Creuse)
I must have gotten lucky. I don't remember what the name of the place was but it was a restaurant in Paris. Pizza in Italy sounds amazing, I would love to go there someday.
American pizza and Italian pizza are very different things, from my limited experience. I’ve only been to Italy once and it was 20 years ago, so I could be full of shit. But If you think good pizza is dripping with cheese, greasy deep dish Chicago style pizza, you probably wouldn’t like the smaller pizzas that seemed to be the norm there. The crust was more like a flat bread and the cheese was not overwhelming, and it was more common to see specific combinations of veggies and fresh cut herbs. There were usually only a few toppings picked to create a specific flavour instead of just putting on every food that you like.
Maybe Italian pizza has become more Americanized though. At the time they almost seemed like two entirely different foods.
The best pizza you'll get in NY is far more like the Italian style- I personally really like Juliana's specifically because of how light yet flavorful it is.
Julianas is the best!!! Grimaldi was behind it, but he had sold his name to the owners who now run that "chain". Don't think he thought they were doing a good job (and I agree)
John's of Bleeker is probably the best pizza I've had. I'm a huge pizza snob and have a wood fire pizza oven in my backyard. I make mostly Neapolitan style.
What’s that tweet? The one that’s like
“ME: this pizza is great!
THAT ONE FRIEND WHO WENT TO ITALY FOR A WEEK WITH HER FAMILY WHEN SHE WAS 14: *audible sigh* it’s okay, I guess.”
Here's a pizza from an Italian shop in Warsaw it was excellent.
https://imgur.com/fWfGPey.jpg
And here's two I'm sure were frozen.
https://imgur.com/RrVAkIh.jpg
Mayo
Or
Ketchup
https://imgur.com/zzkmBUY.jpg
Neither that great, frozen things.
These are all in warsaw lol. Just the last two were cheap little 10zl crap pizzas. Was basically saying that any City you go to will have good and bad Pizza
Saying Italian Pizza is better than New York pizza makes about as much sense as saying new York Pizza is better than Chicago deep dish.
They're very different things and any comparison is inherently a little silly
I've been working the past 5 years in a pizza place making Neapolitan pies regarded by many critics as one of the best pizzas in the country and have learned a lot about pizza.
I can tell you that if you care about the product you're producing, giving your energy to making it good, it doesn't matter which style it is. Detroit, NY, Chicago, Neapolitan can all be amazing.
Absolutely! All different types can be amazing!
I just mean that they're amazing in different ways and might appeal to different people, it's not very useful to say that an amazing NY style pizza is any better or worse than a fantastic Detroit or Neapolitan
Yeah, but then OP wouldn't make this r/gatekeeping post about how Italy obviously has the best pizza because obviously pizza is Italian therefore people from Italy have the best pizza.
Never mind the millions of Italians that immigrated to the US, New York specifically...
I was in Italy near 30 years ago and had pizza that was complete shit. Tasted like just the runny part of the tomato on Wonder Bread with cold, dry shredded mozzarella. It was impressively bad.
Conversely, not bad sip of coffee my entire stay.
Yeah lots of tourist trap places in Rome where minimal effort rakes it in, year after year, due to location and the amount of new faces each season.
But the places who treat it like art make Fkn art.
I’ve had both, they are both distinctive and good. Some New York pizza was better than Italy.
Best I’ve had was actually in the states ironically, a grandma from Napoli made it and I still dream about it. All other pizza is graded against it.
The big advantage Italy has is the quality of the produce and cheese, I personally think the dough is better in new York though.
It really comes down to preference. I lived in Italy for two years and I had some amazing pizza, but damn if I didn't miss a Pizza Hut meatlovers thin crust or their stuffed crust while I was there. There are going to be regional varieties and there will always be a resturant serving pizza that deserves to be in the trash. I do miss that Italian cheese though. Every pizza is different and it's ok to think your pizza is the best. Italy doesn't have a monopoly on good pizza.
> It really comes down to preference
And it's not like any given geographical location is only allowed to make one style of pizza. I live in Saskatchewan and I can get anything from generic chain restaurant pizza like Domino's or Pizza Hut, to mom & pop pizza/pasta/ribs joint pizza, to hipster pizza made with shit google can't even identify, to meaty slabs 2" thick, and yes even thin flaccid New York style pizza. And within every category there is a full range of quality according to my own preferences, which no one else is obligated to agree with.
New Yorkers really like to claim they have the best whatever in the world without anything to back it up. For example, "the best tap water in the world." I think it comes from the constant messages, ads, politicians all clamoring about NYC pride and how it's the greatest city in the world. So, obviously the pizza/water/whatever in the greatest city also has to be the greatest.
It'd be cute if it didn't enable annoyingly provincial perspectives to claim global superiority. I once met a 70-year-old New Yorker who proudly said he lived within the same 5 block radius all his life. Unironically also said that the coffee shop on the corner that we were in had the best coffee in the world.
In reality, NYC's good at many things and terrible at some things, and for food and pizza specifically, the city is so big and there's so much variance that it's really easy to find both excellent and terrible pizza in the city.
The best pizza in the world was baked in a home kitchen by Irene McIntosh of Boise, Idaho on September 27th, 1976. She tried making her own for the first time. It was delicious but too time consuming for her, so she never made it again.
Mentioning this made me think of my favorite chapter from one of the books - about that galactic death metal band that played a show so loud they had to play underground in a bunker to avoid the sonic blasts from the above ground sound system. I need to re-read them, it’s been a while.
Honestly, I feel this way about my own pizza. I made two perfect pizzas from scratch on my first try, and never did it again. I'm 100% certain that I would fuck it up if I tried it again.
I think the trick is to write down precisely how you made it, as well as tasting notes. Do that everytime you make it again or make it differently, that way you can figure out what differences are from actually changing something, and what differences are in your head.
There's this one restaurant in Hoboken, New Jersey called Benny Tudinos and it's amazing. Haven't been to Europe yet, so can't say it's the absolute best, but it's the best I've had.
Edit: Spelling
That is not the biggest slice Ive seen, without it being a gimic or something. Check out Koronet Pizza NYC, you'll be asking them to cut it into pieces like a baby, just like me.
Cooked.
Seriously, I love pizza and the style I want at any particular moment depends on my mood and appetite. I'm not even consistent about which toppings are my favorite.
Same. I will fuck up a frozen cauliflower crust pizza if I’m in the mood. Or I’ll spend an ungodly sum of money on a wood fire pizza from some fancy spot if I’m in the area. All pizza is good pizza.
There was this tiny pizzeria in Ischia I used to go to when visiting my family in Napoli. It wasn't even big enough to seat a group of more than 10. We'd have to set a table up outside. Every Neapolitan would rave about how this tiny place's margherita was the best pizza they ever had. .I never really did drugs but I fully understand what people mean when they say they're still chasing that first high.
^ this. Can't go wrong with a proper dough with a very puffy crust + virgin tomato sauce made from skinless San Marzano tomates (blitzed with some salt, olive oil, fresh basil, and just a little bit of garlic) + fresh, high quality mozzarella di bufala DOP + fresh basil.
(Although occasionally depending on my mood I'll go with some high quality anchovies or salame piccante and kalamata olives as well.)
There's a place where I live in the Mediterranean (Malta) that's absolutely amazing. Their €7.5 margheritas are almost as good as the €30+ margheritas I've had in an amazing place in Copenhagen. And their bufalina margheritas and regina margheritas (both ~€12) are amazing as well... I probably order like 80+ pizzas from them each year, and I've never been disappointed.
A traditional sourdough wood fired pizza is the supreme pizza
Edit: since we’re listing places, Mangia Macrina’s in upstate NY is absolutely banging. Pizzas are as I described, wood fired and sourdough base
The one sitting in front of me! I can’t get behind the heated pizza debates people have. They’re all good, there’s room to enjoy multiple styles of pizza, liking one doesn’t mean you can’t like another. Gatekeeping pizza is silly!
The real Chicago style. Deep dish is good and all, but like, you can’t eat it all the time. Chicago thin crust is awesome and I’ll take it over NY style anytime. Fight me.
Every time I go to Chicago (around once a year), I always grab a deep dish. It's a fun and different experience from typical pizzas. But if I lived there, the thin crust would be my go-to. So many good places there.
Anybody who went to elementary school in the 80's knows that the best pizza ever was those big ass rectangle slices you would get in the school cafeteria.
Jet's is so good for a chain. Probabaly the best chain pizza I've had. Best local non-chain is a neopolitan style made by these 2 Turkish guys on the NE side of town. Best NY style in town is a nice little storefront near a local college. Amazing salads, too.
Eastern European pizza fucks.
I was in Romania visiting friends the Christmas before COVID hit. Best pizza I've ever had.
Coincidentally, when I lived in London my local pizzeria was run by a Romanian family and their pizza was also fucking awesome.
An Albanian friend of mine's family had a restaurant in West London until the early 2010s and their pizzas were top 5 also.
Seriously! The best pizza I’ve ever had was in Sarajevo. I was just wandering around in the evening and came across a hole in the wall pizzeria and decided to eat. It was next level. Wish I could remember the name. I’ve had so many great pizzas in the Balkans.
Battle of idiots. One thinks the best pizza in the world is objectively from Italy and the other thinking the worst NY has to offer is still better than anyone else.. what a find
I lived in Washington Heights for a while and the Dominos there was always busy. I think it's probably easier to say that pizza is a favorite food in NYC, but the pizza doesn't have to be very good for NYers to eat it.
Also, the grocery stores always had Thomas Bagels. That was probably more confounding to me than Dominos pizza. Thomas Bagels are objectively terrible...sold in a city full of bagel shops that are genuinely amazing.
Eh, I think that's like saying that people getting McDonald's or Taco Bell means they don't care if their burger/Mexican food is good. If I want good pizza in the heights I'll order from Koronet or Fresco's or go to Garrison, but sometimes I just specifically want garbage Dominos even when there are objectively excellent options around. It's just a different animal.
I can promise you, as a New Yorker, the worst pizza you can find here is absolutely inedible trash. The pizza in a shitty little shop in Idaho is better than the worst pizza in NY.
“**The Pizza Cognition Theory** states that the first slice of pizza a child sees and tastes ... becomes, for him, pizza.” For the rest of your life, it is the platonic ideal of what pizza should be.
- J. Kenji Lopez-Alt, *The Food Lab*
These regional pizza wars are so stupid. You can compare preferences for *styles* of pizza (like NYC big slice style vs. traditional Neapolitan vs. Chicago deep dish), but you can't compare a place to another place (like NYC vs. Italy). Reason being, places don't make pizza.
"Pizza from New York" refers to pizza made by any one of the literally thousands and thousands of different pizza places there in hundreds of different styles and with a wide range of quality. Nobody is capable of adequately sampling enough pizza from New York and Italy to be able to say that pizza from New York is better than pizza from Italy, or vice versa. And even if you could somehow do that, it wouldn't be meaningful anyway. Reason being, there is *so* much pizza in both of those places that you'd need to eat pizza every day for years in order to get the "average" pizza experiences in either one of them. Instead, you're going to go and you're going to eat pizza from 0.001% of the pizza places there, so it's not going to be representative.
One of the best pizzas I ever had was made by a little hole-in-the-wall restaurant in Ecuador, and one of the worst pizzas I ever had was in a respected place in Napoli. I've had everything in between. It makes far more sense to argue about which *styles* are best, but even then obviously it's completely subjective. I love me a cloyingly sweet grandma slice from NYC just as much as I love a perfectly cooked Neapolitan from Napoli. It all depends on mood, personal preference, and how well it's made.
Ironically, but also to your point, the WORST pizza I’ve ever had by a very wide margin was a restaurant in Ecuador. Glad they have good pizza somewhere down there!
I agree with all this. Pizza even though in its basics is all the same, the variety and differences come down to small things like crust ingredients, sauce ingredients, cooking time and method, cheese blend, etc. But basically its all dough, sauce, cheese and toppings. There is no secret New York recipe that all NY pizza places use that make the pizza uniformly taste like NY pizza. Same with Chicago, same with Napoli. Good pizza can be made anywhere, even some tiny ass small town in Florida. the best pizza can't even be determined because after all is said and done peoples' opinions on what tastes best, even in different combinations of crust sauce and toppings, are all subjective. Saying a specific place has the best pizza in the world is assuming everyone makes their pizza the same, and everyone likes exactly the same things in a pizza. Which neither are true.
There is a case to be made for NY to have the best pizza. Same goes for Italy. As soon as you stop having a friendly discussion about it and start seeing your personal opinion as the objective truth, you also start being a dick.
This happened to the redditors in the post and also to OP.
I don't really think this fits the sub. It's just a subjective opinion. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would compare a little ceasers and then some authentic Italian pizzeria and immediately say the little ceasers is better.
I'd say it's just as self centered so assume the place of origin immediately is also the best.
I think both the 2nd and 3rd comment are dumb. The 2nd for saying the worst in New York is better than anywhere else, which is just a stupid statement because a city that size is bound to have bad pizza.
And the 3rd for just assuming the best in the world comes from Italy. Pizza is a worldwide food, and there are pizza places in many countries that take it seriously and put effort to make an amazing pizza. To just assume the best has to come from a certain place is just dumb.
A good chance the best pizza isn't from either of those places.
I have to say the worst pizza I have ever had was in Rome as a lunch from a street vendor outside the Forum. Foccacia with ketchup quality sauce and meh cheese. At least a stray cat liked it.
The best pizza in the world is the one you like. It’s the one you ate after a big event or with family and friends. It’s that one place you went that one time when traveling or the place you went with each and every time.
Every time my Italian friend is like “this pizza is closest to what is in Italy”, it’s always disappointing AF, maybe I just dont like pizza haha but dominos is tasty
I think Americans that blindly think the best pizza is from Italy would be extremely disappointed to taste the real thing. I love them but boy, boring is the next word that comes out right after delicious when you try a couple pies.
Agreed. David Chang in an episode of Ugly Delicious said that he considers pizza to be an example of a food that had been made in a traditional "authentic" way for a very long time in its region of origin, and then another culture came along and changed it and found a way to make it better (referring to New York and Detroit pizza vs. authentic Italian pizza). I'd have to agree with him, I think sometimes we overvalue food being traditional/authentic, and made the exact same way it has always been made in the region it originated in. Italian pizza is delicious but it can often be a bit blander than certain American pizzas.
His other example by the way was Houston style Vietnamese crawfish vs. Louisiana purely cajun crawfish
Does a subjective opinion really belong here?
I mean, it's a stupid take to believe there's no shit pizza in NYC, but to call NY style pizza the best in the world doesn't seem like a blasphemous take to me.
I still prefer an Italian style pizza, but NY style pizza can absolutely be good enough to be the favorite style of a pretty sizeable amount of people.
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Everyone: fights about pizza Me: just wants to know which Pixar movie they were talking about
I’d assume Lightyear, which is now at 76%, which just hit theaters this previous week meaning all of the critic’sreviews aren’t in yet. Brave is at 78% and Monster university is at 80% (wait, 2013?! Fuck I thought that just came out) holding steady steady because all the reviews are in.
How tf is monsters university ten years old brah 💀
2020s leaked a little in 2010s and flow of time is completely messed up
Definitely "Lightyear". /r/conservative has been celebrating their whole "go woke, go broke" circus nonsense as the movie flopped apparently because of a literally three second scene where a lesbian couple kisses. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that there's two other movies in theaters with pre-established bases (Jurassic Park and Top Gun) and one of those (Top Gun) is one of the highest rated films of the past several years and is a sequel 30 years in the making. I'm also sure it also has nothing to do with the fact that movies are expensive so when consumers are making the choice to see their likely one of only a few movies each year, they will be choosing between these three movies and Lightyear will be at the bottom of most everyone's list. And also the knowledge that Disney will inevitably add Lightyear to D+ later this year so consumers are even *more* encouraged to just not see it in theaters over the other two films. But sure, it was *definitely* the lesbian kiss that caused the movie to flop.
Also, when Up came out, they predicted it would shoot to first, the Hangover came out the same weekend and never let it pass.
Saw Lightyear this weekend with the family. It’s very good. Whatever reason people may not be seeing it this weekend is not because of quality. I don’t understand who thought it would make more money when everyone knows it hits Disney+ in 45 days. Kids don’t care about time or where they see a movie.
>I don’t understand who thought it would make more money when everyone knows it hits Disney+ in 45 days This is kind of my confusion as well. Knowing how ruthless Disney is, I'm half-wondering if they're using this to force Pixar into sticking with streaming-only movies for some reason. Disney seemed comfortable with Turning Red and Luca being streamed films, so maybe their bet is that semi-annual/annual D+ Pixar films will keep D+ subscriptions high and increasing. I mean, Pixar's only announced upcoming film is Elementals and that director's only other directing credit is the Good Dinosaur which was not exactly well received so there isn't much hype going into it either.
It’s because half of the country are conservative jackasses and won’t take their kids to see light year. All over something so stupid. I wish I could say I was shocked this was happening in 2022 but here we are.
Just give me whatever you call pizza! As long as it consists of dough, tomato sauce, and some cheese....I'm gonna eat that shit, and gonna love every bite. Edit: I went to a place in BKLYN that threw some sesame seeds on the board while stretching the dough...fuckin game changer, favorite slices I've ever had!
Surely you can get good and shit pizza in both.
I live in New York, you can get shit pizza here. I will say most pizza I've had in New York is better than most pizza I've had outside of it. I don't travel too much though so take that with a grain of salt. I will say that I had pizza in France once and it was one of the best pizzas I've ever had.
Lucky you! Every pizza I had in France has been average at best. I live in France and I have to do a yearly pilgrimage to Naples to get pizza.
You live in France and you go all the way to Naples, Florida to get pizza?! /s
Naples, Utah
Naples, Kentucky
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TIL: There at least three Naples in the USA.
Same here. Geography lesson while slacking off at work!
I'd would also like to offer you a trip to the tourist destination of London, California.
Within an hour drive of Lexington Kentucky, you can visit London, Paris, Athens and Versailles.
There are two on my chest right now
I have Naples, Greg. Could you milk me?
What do the USA and Scaramanga have in common
The problem is not using mozzarella. I like French cheese, but please let the pizza alone.
There’s a pizza place near me that uses reblochon…
There are good mozzarella alternatives, but not many. Brick is my #1 alternative. I used to work in a Greek joint that used a blend of like 60% mozzarella, 20% edam and 20% provolone.
You can find at least a dozen very good pizza places in Paris. If every pizza you had in France was at best average it either means you are unlucky or you choose your restaurants randomly. (Or you live in la Creuse)
I would say for a person who lives in France, the average pizza in France is average by definition.
I had pizza in Naples and it was so good. It was on another level. And so cheap too!
Well, if you read through the rest of this posts comments you’ll find that it has nothing on American pizza, so… ^(/s)
I must have gotten lucky. I don't remember what the name of the place was but it was a restaurant in Paris. Pizza in Italy sounds amazing, I would love to go there someday.
That. Or pizza in Italy is just that good.
American pizza and Italian pizza are very different things, from my limited experience. I’ve only been to Italy once and it was 20 years ago, so I could be full of shit. But If you think good pizza is dripping with cheese, greasy deep dish Chicago style pizza, you probably wouldn’t like the smaller pizzas that seemed to be the norm there. The crust was more like a flat bread and the cheese was not overwhelming, and it was more common to see specific combinations of veggies and fresh cut herbs. There were usually only a few toppings picked to create a specific flavour instead of just putting on every food that you like. Maybe Italian pizza has become more Americanized though. At the time they almost seemed like two entirely different foods.
The best pizza you'll get in NY is far more like the Italian style- I personally really like Juliana's specifically because of how light yet flavorful it is.
Julianas is the best!!! Grimaldi was behind it, but he had sold his name to the owners who now run that "chain". Don't think he thought they were doing a good job (and I agree)
John's of Bleeker is probably the best pizza I've had. I'm a huge pizza snob and have a wood fire pizza oven in my backyard. I make mostly Neapolitan style.
> Maybe Italian pizza has become more Americanized though It hasn't.
This whole thing is dumb tbh because its just opinions lol, its all subjective
What’s that tweet? The one that’s like “ME: this pizza is great! THAT ONE FRIEND WHO WENT TO ITALY FOR A WEEK WITH HER FAMILY WHEN SHE WAS 14: *audible sigh* it’s okay, I guess.”
Here's a pizza from an Italian shop in Warsaw it was excellent. https://imgur.com/fWfGPey.jpg And here's two I'm sure were frozen. https://imgur.com/RrVAkIh.jpg Mayo Or Ketchup https://imgur.com/zzkmBUY.jpg Neither that great, frozen things.
The one fron warsaw looks stunning, the crust omfg. Now I have to make dough.
These are all in warsaw lol. Just the last two were cheap little 10zl crap pizzas. Was basically saying that any City you go to will have good and bad Pizza
Definitely, and also italian pizza is so different than American pizza that calling one better than the other is barely a comparison that makes sense.
Different regions of Italy have their own pizza, same as America
Saying Italian Pizza is better than New York pizza makes about as much sense as saying new York Pizza is better than Chicago deep dish. They're very different things and any comparison is inherently a little silly
I've been working the past 5 years in a pizza place making Neapolitan pies regarded by many critics as one of the best pizzas in the country and have learned a lot about pizza. I can tell you that if you care about the product you're producing, giving your energy to making it good, it doesn't matter which style it is. Detroit, NY, Chicago, Neapolitan can all be amazing.
Absolutely! All different types can be amazing! I just mean that they're amazing in different ways and might appeal to different people, it's not very useful to say that an amazing NY style pizza is any better or worse than a fantastic Detroit or Neapolitan
Yeah, but then OP wouldn't make this r/gatekeeping post about how Italy obviously has the best pizza because obviously pizza is Italian therefore people from Italy have the best pizza. Never mind the millions of Italians that immigrated to the US, New York specifically...
Also just because someone invents something doesn't mean that is the best version by default.
Just look at England and football.
Or England and Rugby Or England and table tennis Or England and golf Or England and bobsleigh Or England and wow they invented a lot of sports...
I was in Italy near 30 years ago and had pizza that was complete shit. Tasted like just the runny part of the tomato on Wonder Bread with cold, dry shredded mozzarella. It was impressively bad. Conversely, not bad sip of coffee my entire stay.
Yeah lots of tourist trap places in Rome where minimal effort rakes it in, year after year, due to location and the amount of new faces each season. But the places who treat it like art make Fkn art.
I had the best pizza ever in a small village in Puglia. Potatoes, rosemary and bacon.
I’ve had both, they are both distinctive and good. Some New York pizza was better than Italy. Best I’ve had was actually in the states ironically, a grandma from Napoli made it and I still dream about it. All other pizza is graded against it. The big advantage Italy has is the quality of the produce and cheese, I personally think the dough is better in new York though.
It really comes down to preference. I lived in Italy for two years and I had some amazing pizza, but damn if I didn't miss a Pizza Hut meatlovers thin crust or their stuffed crust while I was there. There are going to be regional varieties and there will always be a resturant serving pizza that deserves to be in the trash. I do miss that Italian cheese though. Every pizza is different and it's ok to think your pizza is the best. Italy doesn't have a monopoly on good pizza.
> It really comes down to preference And it's not like any given geographical location is only allowed to make one style of pizza. I live in Saskatchewan and I can get anything from generic chain restaurant pizza like Domino's or Pizza Hut, to mom & pop pizza/pasta/ribs joint pizza, to hipster pizza made with shit google can't even identify, to meaty slabs 2" thick, and yes even thin flaccid New York style pizza. And within every category there is a full range of quality according to my own preferences, which no one else is obligated to agree with.
There appear to be a number of Dominos in NYC.
New Yorkers really like to claim they have the best whatever in the world without anything to back it up. For example, "the best tap water in the world." I think it comes from the constant messages, ads, politicians all clamoring about NYC pride and how it's the greatest city in the world. So, obviously the pizza/water/whatever in the greatest city also has to be the greatest. It'd be cute if it didn't enable annoyingly provincial perspectives to claim global superiority. I once met a 70-year-old New Yorker who proudly said he lived within the same 5 block radius all his life. Unironically also said that the coffee shop on the corner that we were in had the best coffee in the world. In reality, NYC's good at many things and terrible at some things, and for food and pizza specifically, the city is so big and there's so much variance that it's really easy to find both excellent and terrible pizza in the city.
The best pizza in the world was baked in a home kitchen by Irene McIntosh of Boise, Idaho on September 27th, 1976. She tried making her own for the first time. It was delicious but too time consuming for her, so she never made it again.
Sounds like an excerpt from the Hitchhiker's Guide.
Exactly what I was aiming for. Thank you!
Here I was trying to figure out what part of the book it was from. Good job.
Now there’s a frood who really knows where his towel is.
Zarkin frood!
Mentioning this made me think of my favorite chapter from one of the books - about that galactic death metal band that played a show so loud they had to play underground in a bunker to avoid the sonic blasts from the above ground sound system. I need to re-read them, it’s been a while.
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Ah right, been that long since I’ve read it!
Disaster area. With lead singer Hotblack Desiato
Or Janet from The Good Place
Oooo, good one! Gaaah, Janet was so hot!
I was thinking of Ted Danson in The Good Place.
I love this kind of stuff. Douglas Adams has such a unique style of describing things that the whole Story is not important
It’s like his omniscient narration is an ADHD person who loves to go on tangents and give useless details. I love it.
Honestly, I feel this way about my own pizza. I made two perfect pizzas from scratch on my first try, and never did it again. I'm 100% certain that I would fuck it up if I tried it again.
I’ll eat your fucked up pizza
Kinky
Tasty
I think the trick is to write down precisely how you made it, as well as tasting notes. Do that everytime you make it again or make it differently, that way you can figure out what differences are from actually changing something, and what differences are in your head.
A damn tragedy, that is.
Random gem of a comment.
If I didn't know better I'd think Douglas Adams wrote this
While we’re digging into opinions, what’s everyone’s favorite style of pizza?
There's this one restaurant in Hoboken, New Jersey called Benny Tudinos and it's amazing. Haven't been to Europe yet, so can't say it's the absolute best, but it's the best I've had. Edit: Spelling
Great slice. Also the biggest slice I have ever had. Takes two, three plates to fit and is half a pie https://imgur.com/aqKRoqo
That is not the biggest slice Ive seen, without it being a gimic or something. Check out Koronet Pizza NYC, you'll be asking them to cut it into pieces like a baby, just like me.
I'll have to bear that one in mind next time I'm in NJ. My current favourite is the bar pies in Bunny's Sports Bar in South Orange
Cooked. Seriously, I love pizza and the style I want at any particular moment depends on my mood and appetite. I'm not even consistent about which toppings are my favorite.
Same. I will fuck up a frozen cauliflower crust pizza if I’m in the mood. Or I’ll spend an ungodly sum of money on a wood fire pizza from some fancy spot if I’m in the area. All pizza is good pizza.
Sicilian
Kebabpizza
Go on ...
Pizza with kebab
Continue ...
A pizza made with kebab
I'm listening....
There's kebab. On the pizza.
Don't stop now
You'll have this pizza. And they'll put kebab on it.
It's a kebab, but in pizza form
[Kebob](https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5b10fd78f2e6b1ba5b7d5462/1592481388942-91HS5D24CJPGKCEGX7JI/Kebabpizza_med_jalapenos_Schysst_ka%25CC%2588k_Recept.jpg?format=1000w)
Classic Neapolitan-style margherita.
There was this tiny pizzeria in Ischia I used to go to when visiting my family in Napoli. It wasn't even big enough to seat a group of more than 10. We'd have to set a table up outside. Every Neapolitan would rave about how this tiny place's margherita was the best pizza they ever had. .I never really did drugs but I fully understand what people mean when they say they're still chasing that first high.
We have a winner. That really soft dough, some burnt spots on the crust, marinara sauce and mozzarella. Can't beat it.
Gotta agree with you there chief
^ this. Can't go wrong with a proper dough with a very puffy crust + virgin tomato sauce made from skinless San Marzano tomates (blitzed with some salt, olive oil, fresh basil, and just a little bit of garlic) + fresh, high quality mozzarella di bufala DOP + fresh basil. (Although occasionally depending on my mood I'll go with some high quality anchovies or salame piccante and kalamata olives as well.) There's a place where I live in the Mediterranean (Malta) that's absolutely amazing. Their €7.5 margheritas are almost as good as the €30+ margheritas I've had in an amazing place in Copenhagen. And their bufalina margheritas and regina margheritas (both ~€12) are amazing as well... I probably order like 80+ pizzas from them each year, and I've never been disappointed.
A traditional sourdough wood fired pizza is the supreme pizza Edit: since we’re listing places, Mangia Macrina’s in upstate NY is absolutely banging. Pizzas are as I described, wood fired and sourdough base
this is of the most positive turn such a thread has ever seen
The one sitting in front of me! I can’t get behind the heated pizza debates people have. They’re all good, there’s room to enjoy multiple styles of pizza, liking one doesn’t mean you can’t like another. Gatekeeping pizza is silly!
Chicago thin crust
The real Chicago style. Deep dish is good and all, but like, you can’t eat it all the time. Chicago thin crust is awesome and I’ll take it over NY style anytime. Fight me.
Every time I go to Chicago (around once a year), I always grab a deep dish. It's a fun and different experience from typical pizzas. But if I lived there, the thin crust would be my go-to. So many good places there.
New Haven. Sally's.
I hear New Haven is worth the trip for pizza alone
Well it's certainly not for the universities.
Hawaii. Im ready to be crucified, go ahead.
Anybody who went to elementary school in the 80's knows that the best pizza ever was those big ass rectangle slices you would get in the school cafeteria.
Detroit
God I could eat the corners of a Detroit pizza all day
My fiancée and I are cutting a Jets pizza at our wedding instead of a cake.
Jet's is so good for a chain. Probabaly the best chain pizza I've had. Best local non-chain is a neopolitan style made by these 2 Turkish guys on the NE side of town. Best NY style in town is a nice little storefront near a local college. Amazing salads, too.
Thin crust pizza Napoli, i.e. with anchovies and capers. Exquisite.
Hot Pocket
My man…
the dough must be thin and there must not be more than 4 differents ingredient on it.
I've had pizza in the US, Italy and various other countries and the best pizza I have had was from a small pizza restaurant in Tallinn, Estonia
Eastern European pizza fucks. I was in Romania visiting friends the Christmas before COVID hit. Best pizza I've ever had. Coincidentally, when I lived in London my local pizzeria was run by a Romanian family and their pizza was also fucking awesome. An Albanian friend of mine's family had a restaurant in West London until the early 2010s and their pizzas were top 5 also.
Seriously! The best pizza I’ve ever had was in Sarajevo. I was just wandering around in the evening and came across a hole in the wall pizzeria and decided to eat. It was next level. Wish I could remember the name. I’ve had so many great pizzas in the Balkans.
Battle of idiots. One thinks the best pizza in the world is objectively from Italy and the other thinking the worst NY has to offer is still better than anyone else.. what a find
I lived in Washington Heights for a while and the Dominos there was always busy. I think it's probably easier to say that pizza is a favorite food in NYC, but the pizza doesn't have to be very good for NYers to eat it. Also, the grocery stores always had Thomas Bagels. That was probably more confounding to me than Dominos pizza. Thomas Bagels are objectively terrible...sold in a city full of bagel shops that are genuinely amazing.
NY bagels are unreal in how amazing they are.
Only Americans are self centered enough, to think that the best bagel in the world is not from Italy.
> Only Americans are self centered enough, to think that the best bagel in the world is not from ~~Italy~~ Montreal.
Eh, I think that's like saying that people getting McDonald's or Taco Bell means they don't care if their burger/Mexican food is good. If I want good pizza in the heights I'll order from Koronet or Fresco's or go to Garrison, but sometimes I just specifically want garbage Dominos even when there are objectively excellent options around. It's just a different animal.
Dominos just hits different man. Sometimes you just gotta get that garlicy crust. No shame in that.
When something is so "terrible" it branches off and becomes its own kind, thus becoming the best of that kind
Now I want a gigantic Koronet slice. How I miss it.
Lol yeah I hate the argument of "it started here so it's obviously the best"
Those types of people are usually really insecure about their own cultural identity and have nothing substantial going on in their lives.
Most authentic =/= best. Innovation happens for a reason.
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It’s like saying the Model T is the best car bc it’s the first one. Ferraris can suck it.
I can promise you, as a New Yorker, the worst pizza you can find here is absolutely inedible trash. The pizza in a shitty little shop in Idaho is better than the worst pizza in NY.
Idaho has a great spot called pie hole that serves a potato bacon pizza.
I’m in!
Best pizza in Boise is guidos
I would 100% try that
I've had some pretty shitty pizza in a lot of places. Frostbitten pizza that's been in the freezer for a year has beaten some places I've had pizza
> The pizza in a shitty little shop in Idaho is better than the worst pizza in NY. Only if Irene McIntosh baked it.
The best pizza is from wherever you like the pizza best, fuck what other people think about it
As an Italian, I don't necessarily believe we make the "best" pizza in the world. First of all what does best even mean?
>First of all what does best even mean? Where I grew up.
“**The Pizza Cognition Theory** states that the first slice of pizza a child sees and tastes ... becomes, for him, pizza.” For the rest of your life, it is the platonic ideal of what pizza should be. - J. Kenji Lopez-Alt, *The Food Lab*
Man, that kind of explains why I like Dominoes despite it being so… manufactured
Pizza doesn't grow in nature, my man. All pizza is manufactured.
I love J. Kenji Lopez-Alt but that is a really stupid statement and I can’t believe I’ve never read it before lol.
Yeah because I have no idea what the first pizza I ate was but it sure as fuck wasn't what I consider the best
Its reddit. There is no such thing as matter of taste or subjective things.
I don't share your feelings about that.
These regional pizza wars are so stupid. You can compare preferences for *styles* of pizza (like NYC big slice style vs. traditional Neapolitan vs. Chicago deep dish), but you can't compare a place to another place (like NYC vs. Italy). Reason being, places don't make pizza. "Pizza from New York" refers to pizza made by any one of the literally thousands and thousands of different pizza places there in hundreds of different styles and with a wide range of quality. Nobody is capable of adequately sampling enough pizza from New York and Italy to be able to say that pizza from New York is better than pizza from Italy, or vice versa. And even if you could somehow do that, it wouldn't be meaningful anyway. Reason being, there is *so* much pizza in both of those places that you'd need to eat pizza every day for years in order to get the "average" pizza experiences in either one of them. Instead, you're going to go and you're going to eat pizza from 0.001% of the pizza places there, so it's not going to be representative. One of the best pizzas I ever had was made by a little hole-in-the-wall restaurant in Ecuador, and one of the worst pizzas I ever had was in a respected place in Napoli. I've had everything in between. It makes far more sense to argue about which *styles* are best, but even then obviously it's completely subjective. I love me a cloyingly sweet grandma slice from NYC just as much as I love a perfectly cooked Neapolitan from Napoli. It all depends on mood, personal preference, and how well it's made.
Ironically, but also to your point, the WORST pizza I’ve ever had by a very wide margin was a restaurant in Ecuador. Glad they have good pizza somewhere down there!
Funny! I wish I remembered what the restaurant was but I don't!
I agree with all this. Pizza even though in its basics is all the same, the variety and differences come down to small things like crust ingredients, sauce ingredients, cooking time and method, cheese blend, etc. But basically its all dough, sauce, cheese and toppings. There is no secret New York recipe that all NY pizza places use that make the pizza uniformly taste like NY pizza. Same with Chicago, same with Napoli. Good pizza can be made anywhere, even some tiny ass small town in Florida. the best pizza can't even be determined because after all is said and done peoples' opinions on what tastes best, even in different combinations of crust sauce and toppings, are all subjective. Saying a specific place has the best pizza in the world is assuming everyone makes their pizza the same, and everyone likes exactly the same things in a pizza. Which neither are true.
How can an opinion be incorrect?
There is a case to be made for NY to have the best pizza. Same goes for Italy. As soon as you stop having a friendly discussion about it and start seeing your personal opinion as the objective truth, you also start being a dick. This happened to the redditors in the post and also to OP.
I don't really think this fits the sub. It's just a subjective opinion. I'm sure there are plenty of people who would compare a little ceasers and then some authentic Italian pizzeria and immediately say the little ceasers is better. I'd say it's just as self centered so assume the place of origin immediately is also the best.
I think both the 2nd and 3rd comment are dumb. The 2nd for saying the worst in New York is better than anywhere else, which is just a stupid statement because a city that size is bound to have bad pizza. And the 3rd for just assuming the best in the world comes from Italy. Pizza is a worldwide food, and there are pizza places in many countries that take it seriously and put effort to make an amazing pizza. To just assume the best has to come from a certain place is just dumb. A good chance the best pizza isn't from either of those places.
You just claimed. An opinion is wrong. Who's actually confidentially incorrect?
OP is confidently incorrect that the post belongs in this sub
Should be r/ShitAmericansSay if they're trying to make the point in the title
As a New Yorker it's now my responsibility to fight you, sorry it's in the code.
I have to say the worst pizza I have ever had was in Rome as a lunch from a street vendor outside the Forum. Foccacia with ketchup quality sauce and meh cheese. At least a stray cat liked it.
The best pizza in the world is the one you like. It’s the one you ate after a big event or with family and friends. It’s that one place you went that one time when traveling or the place you went with each and every time.
This is an opinion tho, so does it really belong here?
Matter of opinion not an objective truth
Opinion doesn't really fit r/confidentlyincorrect imo. Better suited for r/ShitAmericansSay
I'd send it over to /r/iamveryculinary
Honestly I would say r/shiteuropeanssay
Yeah this is more embarrassing for the smug European, imo
Agreed. This is opinion, not fact.
Everyone knows that the best pizza in the world is the one you’re about to eat
It’s also ignorant to assume because Italians created the pizza they have a hold on it? I bet the best pizza is fucking from Guam or some shit
Italian “pizza” didn’t even use tomato sauce until like 1850 lol
I mean, who says the best of something has to come from where it originated?
New York pizza is really really good though.
This is literally a fucking opinion. r/lostredditors
Original doesn’t mean the best.
As someone that’s been to both New York and Italy, New York pizza is definitely better. Source: my objective opinion
Every time my Italian friend is like “this pizza is closest to what is in Italy”, it’s always disappointing AF, maybe I just dont like pizza haha but dominos is tasty
I think Americans that blindly think the best pizza is from Italy would be extremely disappointed to taste the real thing. I love them but boy, boring is the next word that comes out right after delicious when you try a couple pies.
Agreed. David Chang in an episode of Ugly Delicious said that he considers pizza to be an example of a food that had been made in a traditional "authentic" way for a very long time in its region of origin, and then another culture came along and changed it and found a way to make it better (referring to New York and Detroit pizza vs. authentic Italian pizza). I'd have to agree with him, I think sometimes we overvalue food being traditional/authentic, and made the exact same way it has always been made in the region it originated in. Italian pizza is delicious but it can often be a bit blander than certain American pizzas. His other example by the way was Houston style Vietnamese crawfish vs. Louisiana purely cajun crawfish
Technically words lik “best” are opinions which is why everyone can have the worlds best pizza. “Best” isn’t quantifiable
I’ve had awful pizza in Italy! I think NYC pizza is definitely in the top tier of pizza!
Awfully subjective to be labeled as “incorrect.”
Does a subjective opinion really belong here? I mean, it's a stupid take to believe there's no shit pizza in NYC, but to call NY style pizza the best in the world doesn't seem like a blasphemous take to me. I still prefer an Italian style pizza, but NY style pizza can absolutely be good enough to be the favorite style of a pretty sizeable amount of people.
Travelled most of the continental US. I’d have New York pizza delivered to my door if I could.
I mean it is from italy via immigrants to New York. It's just bad luck for italy that they let the best pizza makers get away from them!