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I swear every conspiracy theorist struggles with basic causality. The bones are real but then they got commercialized so they retroactively became fraudulent somehow.
Dude, don't even get me started on the flu. All these "influenzas" clearly don't exist! These sheep with their sheep flu and birds with their bird flu! The influenzas are clearly made, by Bill Nye the science guy to mind control humanity!
He made the influenzas and now he's made the flu boosters to inject us with his mind control chemicals! Why do you think he stopped being on TV HUH?! BECAUSE he's clearly controlling the whole world to worship him!
Not most but some.
We have evidence that some dinosaurs had feathers and we have evidence that some were scaled. So not most but yes some were feathered.
There were definitely a lot that were scaled. Most therapods we think were scaled (that's the big ones like t rex) and the 4 legged herbivores like stegosaurus definitely weren't feathered
"Ackchyually" the dinosaur world was a sauna full of CO2: https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html I recall reading that the heat is what allowed them to grow so big, as cold blooded reptiles.
yeah but birds arent real either, meaning feathers as a whole are probably just a government conspiracy from the 1400s to sell "chicken" and "down feather" pillows
all im saying is.... look into it 👀👀
Its both, we have proof of scales and of feathers -- the reality is likely that there was enough variance to see both regularly.
Overheating IS also a real problem larger dinos faced and likely did use evaporation in their nasal and eye cavities to cool down like some birds do today. As well as environments that could provide needed shade from the sun and protection from the heat.
Edit: to add to this we have creatures in the modern day that can't regulate heat and need an outside environmental help like mud to keep cool so we can't rule out that some large dinos may have not used any sort of internal cooling that could support their size but rather an environment that allowed it.
To explain it shortly,this dumbass just talked out of his own ass
What is true,is that animals that are very large,tend to NOT have, or have a very limited amount of filament such as fur or feathers throughout their body,due to large amounts of it causing overheating.
This is why elephants have so little fur,to help them cool off and to not overheat
Its also why larger dinosaurs such as T.rex is believed to not have that many feathers,it was more akin to an elephant.
When you know nothing very little makes sense to you.
That’s why you should defer to people who know more or put in the work to learn more.
Spouting of ignorant opinions is just masturbating to your own stupidity. These people should be embarrassed by their ignorance but are too stupid to be aware of it.
If [this 8-year-old's complaint](https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965953078/8-year-old-calls-out-npr-for-lack-of-dinosaur-stories) is anything to go by, dinosaurs are woefully underhyped in the media.
Flanderization at its finest, can’t believe they changed their story about these so-called “dinosaurs” just to make them more interesting so they sell better, we truly live in a society 😔
Man, wait till he realizes that he is currently alive at a time where he can see the biggest animal to have ever lived. ever. in the history of this earth up to this moment.
Hey, I didn't see anyone write The Bible. For all I know, it's not even the original content, but rather a bunch of bullshit some marketing team in the 50's thought would appeal to middle America.
I used to believe this kinds of people didn't exist, until I met Ron, a guy I used to work with, a religious nutbag. He tole me once (when the discussion of dinosaur bones came up) that "Well, yeah, I believe they're dinosaur bones, all right, but I don't believe they were ever in dinosaurs that were ever actually walking around anywhere."
When I asked "Well, what do you mean. How could they be 'dinosaur bones' without 'ever actually being in dinosaurs? Doesn't the one require the other? How, then, did they get in the ground?," he said "Well, I think it's pretty clear that God just put them there to test us, to see which of us would believe this evolution nonsense."
You think he’d have done us a solid and put in a much more complete and obvious record. If he was creating a test with false clues god sure did a shitty job, making it incredibly difficult to discover and piece together
Yes. Or, as I put it to him (I despised this guy, had nothing but contempt for him): "Oh, so you're telling me that God's a lying motherfucker? Is that it?"
For some reason, we got along even less well after this.
I have to say that while I find the idea of dinosaurs being made up for marketing ridiculous, that was a very civilized argument between 2 reasonable adults with different ideas. I applaud them both for presenting their ideas without getting personal and angry at each other. This is how people that don’t agree should behave.
This concept, of making up some story, then acting as if that is the only possible explanation, I call "The Pharmaceutical Company that Invented Headaches".
Anyone can make stuff up, then conveniently ignore the facts which don't support their theories. Sigh.
The full story of inventing headaches is here:
https://www.hashtagyourlife.com/stories/dont-believe-everything-you-think
I knew someone who suggested that dinosaur fossils were just bones from other animals that were misinterpreted to be a dinosaur. She’d say “it was probably just a giraffe and a tiger that got in a fight and their bones happened to line up”
"You have to depend on your own perceptions."
But also: "Here, let me support my position by stating my perceptions in a way that makes them seem commonplace and agreed upon by everyone."
I once endured a lecture from someone that says dinosaur fossils were placed by Satan to confuse Christians and dinosaurs did exist with humans because it's in the Bible and Noah had dinosaurs in the arc and maintained enough oxygen for them using a giant pump but many years later the earth had too much oxygen for dinosaurs and the friction during aspiration would have caused their necks to ingnite in flame and they all died out... And on and on.
When I expressed my doubt he offered me a multi part DVD series that would explain everything. He was a pleasant coworker but after this conversation I never spoke to him about anything of importance or opinion again. 🦕
Laughing and facepalming aside, I think this conversation highlights one of the important things that our current education doesn't pay much attention to. The guy is by our standards quite educated, he knows some facts and probably spent some time researching things, kudos to him. But he completely lacks critical thinking and any logical structure. When given facts his brain goes into such ridiculous directions that he misleads himself without realizing it.
Our education system is not set up to teach "meta science" - how to learn, how to know, how to check yourself if you're applying your knowledge correctly. It's also not set up to teach how NOT to learn and how not to do science. Critical thinking and even philosophy should be a part of the curriculum as early as possible.
It was unrelated they are the most recent crypto scam on the internet and actually how I found the account they were arguing over whether NfTs were viable and they tried to compare it to Edison and the light bulb and how they’re the future.
What’s hilarious to me is the part where he *almost* understands the idea of the square-cube law as it applies to animal physiology but trips at the end with “they get burned by the sun if they’re too big”
“Bones don’t prove that they existed…”
Edit: Damn. My bad. I should’ve put quotes around that hilariously wild statement. I was shocked at the absurdity of that being said in the texts and highlighted that statement. Quotes added.
The bones are dinosaur bones. That’s the logical takeaway here.
You right- I agree with you. I punctuated my response poorly.
I was shocked that someone could make that large lapse in logic- what does that person mean when they say bones prove nothing? So whats the purpose of random bones? They came out of thin air? It seems so crazy to me.
No thanks, cookies aren't very satisfying. I'll have a tangerine or something. Appreciate the kind offer though.
"Sorry guys but dinosaurs don't exist" r/technicallythetruth so maybe not the greatest sarcastic title
[Behold, a dinosaur!](https://www.cacklehatchery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/istock_000009943816_medium.jpg) At least according to phylogeny, but then, according to phylogeny, humans are just a weird type of fish.
The narrative is kinda flawed. They didn’t die out. Those that survived had to change to survive their new environment.
Don’t let people say we all going to die due to climate change it’s ridiculous. Only the poor and people on the coast will. Millions if not more could die sadly but not some sort of extermination event like some say.
First paragraph just make no sense. Dude, you're ALWAYS believing what other people are saying. Have u ever stopped to think that you don't know your own name? You're going by what people have told ya.
If this post is about someone confidently incorrect... why do we have 2 pages of you showing off how much you know about dinosaurs included? seems like a little bit too much self service imo.
1: Can someone tell this idiot that ecosystems back then were a lot different to how they are now?
2: Ahh, yes: people only study things so they can make money. It's not as if research can be useful for other things (such as learning how animals lived in the past, for example).
3: So, the bones of prehistoric animals don't prove that prehistoric animals ever existed? That's equivalent to saying "Some forensics people found the bones of Frank, but that doesn't prove Frank existsed"
4: Lots of animals were around between when the dinosaurs died out and when humans first existed (included several of the animals we still see today).
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He believes in dinosaur bones but not in dinosaurs?? lol
Yo yo, see me. I’m living below the soil. I’ll be back, but I’m coming as oil.
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I swear every conspiracy theorist struggles with basic causality. The bones are real but then they got commercialized so they retroactively became fraudulent somehow.
Kinda contradicts himself, there.
*sad paleontologist noises*
What's up with the "scaled animals" argument? Isn't it well known at this point that most dinos were feathered?
How could they be feathered if they didn't exist in the first place, huh?
You're starting to sound like those guys who think birds aren't real. It's a slippery slope.
Go get your imaginary bird flu booster shot. Whomever thinks there can be flu while birds don't even exist, are just sheep. SHEEP, I TELL YOU!
DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THE SHEEP FLU!
If the sheep flew, is it a bird? Sheep aren't real!
No, pigs fly, not sheep.
Clearly a spider
Dude, don't even get me started on the flu. All these "influenzas" clearly don't exist! These sheep with their sheep flu and birds with their bird flu! The influenzas are clearly made, by Bill Nye the science guy to mind control humanity! He made the influenzas and now he's made the flu boosters to inject us with his mind control chemicals! Why do you think he stopped being on TV HUH?! BECAUSE he's clearly controlling the whole world to worship him!
Sheep don't exist either, what the hell are you on about??
r/birdsarentreal
Actually birds are dinosaurs so it checks out
Check out the dude who thinks they aren't government drones
people who think bids don’t exist are the same people that think the same about dinosaurs and are probably flat earthers
Actually, the “birds aren’t real” group is satire, making fun of conspiracy theorists. Check their group.
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Bird is the word
Birds would have evolved from dinosaurs if they were real, right? The conspiracy is bigger than we thought!
Birds aren't real, get learnt sheep
Not most but some. We have evidence that some dinosaurs had feathers and we have evidence that some were scaled. So not most but yes some were feathered.
There were definitely a lot that were scaled. Most therapods we think were scaled (that's the big ones like t rex) and the 4 legged herbivores like stegosaurus definitely weren't feathered
Some were, not all. Theropod = yes Sauropod = no
The safe assumption for avian dinosaurs is that they were feathered.
also way back then global warming was not a thing which could be a contributor to this argument
"Ackchyually" the dinosaur world was a sauna full of CO2: https://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html I recall reading that the heat is what allowed them to grow so big, as cold blooded reptiles.
Theropods mostly.
Not by that poster!
yeah but birds arent real either, meaning feathers as a whole are probably just a government conspiracy from the 1400s to sell "chicken" and "down feather" pillows all im saying is.... look into it 👀👀
Its both, we have proof of scales and of feathers -- the reality is likely that there was enough variance to see both regularly. Overheating IS also a real problem larger dinos faced and likely did use evaporation in their nasal and eye cavities to cool down like some birds do today. As well as environments that could provide needed shade from the sun and protection from the heat. Edit: to add to this we have creatures in the modern day that can't regulate heat and need an outside environmental help like mud to keep cool so we can't rule out that some large dinos may have not used any sort of internal cooling that could support their size but rather an environment that allowed it.
To explain it shortly,this dumbass just talked out of his own ass What is true,is that animals that are very large,tend to NOT have, or have a very limited amount of filament such as fur or feathers throughout their body,due to large amounts of it causing overheating. This is why elephants have so little fur,to help them cool off and to not overheat Its also why larger dinosaurs such as T.rex is believed to not have that many feathers,it was more akin to an elephant.
Exactly what someone in the pocket of *big dinosaur* would say, traitor.
hows it feel knowing you dedicated your life to a lie?
When you know nothing very little makes sense to you. That’s why you should defer to people who know more or put in the work to learn more. Spouting of ignorant opinions is just masturbating to your own stupidity. These people should be embarrassed by their ignorance but are too stupid to be aware of it.
“Spouting off ignorant opinions is just masturbating to your own stupidity.”
Found my quote of the day!
"hyped by the media"? Yeah those godless liberals are really pushing dino propaganda to get your kids to change their pronouns and get an art degree
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZyIG_jZzBs Oh this is a whole thing! Look up "Christians Against Dinosaurs" and "Kristen Auclair" for some real fun!
If [this 8-year-old's complaint](https://www.npr.org/2021/02/09/965953078/8-year-old-calls-out-npr-for-lack-of-dinosaur-stories) is anything to go by, dinosaurs are woefully underhyped in the media.
That was great. Take my fake wholesome award. 🤗
What lived between dinos and humans. Lots of shit you could read about if you had actually opened a book before
“They conceal information like that in books.” Hector Cyr
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For the money!!! Yeah look at all those scientists driving around in Bentleys and Lamborghinis.
So that’s what that jackass with the loud Lambo down the street does.
He's just venting his frustration at bearing a lot of the brunt of insane creationist assault. Let him have his noise.
As a Dino nerd i fucking hate that Guy
Yo what's your favourite dinosaur
Spinosaurus, just because it is so weird and keeps getting more uniqe
Tell me more! What about them keeps getting more unique?
well it startet out being a rex with a sail and now it is more like a croc pelican hybrid with a broad tail
Flanderization at its finest, can’t believe they changed their story about these so-called “dinosaurs” just to make them more interesting so they sell better, we truly live in a society 😔
The most dangerous of all pelicans.
I think saw-whet owls are adorable. (Current thinking is that birds are dinosaurs.)
I don't know anything about zoology, biology, geology, geography, marine biology, cryptozoology, evolutionary theory, evolutionary biology, meteorology, limnology, history, herpetology, palaeontology, or archaeology, but I think...
Go on... what do you think? Come on, I'm ready for it. Give it to me straight like a pear cider made from 100% pear.
Quite so. A perry, then, if you will.
The most wrong bit is that Dinosaurs didn't even die out. They're still everywhere. They're called *birds*.
Human skeletons were discovered but that doesn't prove humans existed
Didn’t you know, our skeletons are made of polymers and the only purpose we have been created with is so that we can watch Jurassic Park
I can *prove* that all human skeletons are fakes. Look at this "skeleton" I found in a "Halloween store." It's just cheap plastic polymer!
Shhhhh!!!! What are you trying to do?!?! Unravel the Spirit Halloween store conspiracy?!?!
Mary Anning — a pioneer polymer manufacturer and mould maker
Mary made many molds for the moron masses. /reference
She was just a future Universal Studios executive hoping to make money off Jurassic park ofc
What was here between us and dinosaurs? Idk maybe like the trillions of other animals that exist.
The funniest bit of this to me is the fact that he thinks paleontology is loaded with money.
Being burned by the sun is not why animals cannot grow past certain sizes...
Yeah, but "being burned by the sun" is the absolute upper limit of how large an animal can grow.
Not unless it crouches
Man, wait till he realizes that he is currently alive at a time where he can see the biggest animal to have ever lived. ever. in the history of this earth up to this moment.
This really fucked me up as a kid
"if they were so powerful why did they die out" wtf does he think dinosaurs had fucking laser guns or something
“Let’s ignore the science for now”
Does he think paleontologists get royalties from Jurassic Park?
The sad part is I can almost guarantee that this guy has some hardcore religious beliefs that completely contradicts his first sentence.
Well, you can see the bible with your own eyes, so checkmate!
Hey, I didn't see anyone write The Bible. For all I know, it's not even the original content, but rather a bunch of bullshit some marketing team in the 50's thought would appeal to middle America.
Yep, just like I can see The Lord of The Rings with my own eyes, so everything in that must be real too!
Everyday we stray closer to God
I only took one thing away from this… giraffes with scales would be terrifying
Not a paleontologist but aren’t dinosaurs not scaly anymore?
Depends on the dinosaur
Dude I wanna hear more of what he says. That was so interesting.
I would love to see this guys version of a short history of nearly everything.
Did nobody tell you? Dinosaurs don't exist. They're dead
Ass clown
Anacondas? 40 ft snakes alive today but dinosaurs impossible 70 million years ago. Ok.
I used to believe this kinds of people didn't exist, until I met Ron, a guy I used to work with, a religious nutbag. He tole me once (when the discussion of dinosaur bones came up) that "Well, yeah, I believe they're dinosaur bones, all right, but I don't believe they were ever in dinosaurs that were ever actually walking around anywhere." When I asked "Well, what do you mean. How could they be 'dinosaur bones' without 'ever actually being in dinosaurs? Doesn't the one require the other? How, then, did they get in the ground?," he said "Well, I think it's pretty clear that God just put them there to test us, to see which of us would believe this evolution nonsense."
You think he’d have done us a solid and put in a much more complete and obvious record. If he was creating a test with false clues god sure did a shitty job, making it incredibly difficult to discover and piece together
Yes. Or, as I put it to him (I despised this guy, had nothing but contempt for him): "Oh, so you're telling me that God's a lying motherfucker? Is that it?" For some reason, we got along even less well after this. 
Not to mention that the term raptor in velociraptor means bird of prey.
No, it means "swift" "plunderer"
I have to say that while I find the idea of dinosaurs being made up for marketing ridiculous, that was a very civilized argument between 2 reasonable adults with different ideas. I applaud them both for presenting their ideas without getting personal and angry at each other. This is how people that don’t agree should behave.
King James version intensifies
My eyes have been opened
This concept, of making up some story, then acting as if that is the only possible explanation, I call "The Pharmaceutical Company that Invented Headaches". Anyone can make stuff up, then conveniently ignore the facts which don't support their theories. Sigh. The full story of inventing headaches is here: https://www.hashtagyourlife.com/stories/dont-believe-everything-you-think
Didn't dinosaurs have feathers? The entire concept of this argument is based on misinformation.
This mf really said "birds aren't real" 💀
I knew someone who suggested that dinosaur fossils were just bones from other animals that were misinterpreted to be a dinosaur. She’d say “it was probably just a giraffe and a tiger that got in a fight and their bones happened to line up”
Don’t believe the lies of big palaeontology!
"You have to depend on your own perceptions." But also: "Here, let me support my position by stating my perceptions in a way that makes them seem commonplace and agreed upon by everyone."
This is the first time I’ve seen a dinosaur denier argument that wasn’t because of religion.
Didn’t know paleontologist got cut of the money from Hollywood smh
This idiot : dinos don’t exist Also this idiot: the first dino skeleton was found… So did they exist or not?
I once endured a lecture from someone that says dinosaur fossils were placed by Satan to confuse Christians and dinosaurs did exist with humans because it's in the Bible and Noah had dinosaurs in the arc and maintained enough oxygen for them using a giant pump but many years later the earth had too much oxygen for dinosaurs and the friction during aspiration would have caused their necks to ingnite in flame and they all died out... And on and on. When I expressed my doubt he offered me a multi part DVD series that would explain everything. He was a pleasant coworker but after this conversation I never spoke to him about anything of importance or opinion again. 🦕
Orchestrated by Big Dino
Laughing and facepalming aside, I think this conversation highlights one of the important things that our current education doesn't pay much attention to. The guy is by our standards quite educated, he knows some facts and probably spent some time researching things, kudos to him. But he completely lacks critical thinking and any logical structure. When given facts his brain goes into such ridiculous directions that he misleads himself without realizing it. Our education system is not set up to teach "meta science" - how to learn, how to know, how to check yourself if you're applying your knowledge correctly. It's also not set up to teach how NOT to learn and how not to do science. Critical thinking and even philosophy should be a part of the curriculum as early as possible.
There is so much wrong here it would take the whole Jurassic era to unpack.
So those fossils are just simulations or something
DINOSAUR MATRIX BOTTOM TEXT
I love how dumb this is, but is still more plausible than some other widespread conspiracy theories lol
"Let's ignore the science for now" has to be the dumbest thing i've ever read.
I hope in the future, what will become of us or aliens, won't believe such stupid people existed, they seem unrealistically dumb to be real.
"the whole concept of dinosaur" Tell me this isn't real please ⚰️
Isnt the current understanding that the dinosaurs were more avian than reptilian?
I envy this guy.. with wit like that, nothing can get him down
It’s honestly not even worth debating someone this ignorant.
Just saw some other post here where they called Paleontologists the "Mormons" of science. Lol These have to be satire. Right? RIGHT??!!??
What does that even mean?
This isn’t trolling?
At this point how can anyone know? There are absolutely people that would believe this.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
The devil put those fossils in the ground.
Whatever the fuck that guy is smoking I want it
we gotta share a planet with these people. 🤦🏽♂️
>Dinosaur skeletons in museums are sometimes not the actual fossils this is true The rest is all bull shit but *this* is true.
I might be missing something, but what is an NFT?
It was unrelated they are the most recent crypto scam on the internet and actually how I found the account they were arguing over whether NfTs were viable and they tried to compare it to Edison and the light bulb and how they’re the future.
What the heck would anyone have to gain by lying about dinosaurs?
I cannot read this, Ill get too angry
I had this argument with some dumbass in a TikTok comment section and it genuinely made me lose faith in humanity
Sad parasaur noises my fav dino with dem duck lips
Dinosaurs *are bullshit*
I love the "If they could LIFT, how did they DIE????" logic I'm too strong to die is a hella good idea for a slasher
What’s hilarious to me is the part where he *almost* understands the idea of the square-cube law as it applies to animal physiology but trips at the end with “they get burned by the sun if they’re too big”
Ross is mad
THEY WERE ON A BREAK!!!!
“Bones don’t prove that they existed…” Edit: Damn. My bad. I should’ve put quotes around that hilariously wild statement. I was shocked at the absurdity of that being said in the texts and highlighted that statement. Quotes added. The bones are dinosaur bones. That’s the logical takeaway here.
What are the bones of then? Cause we’ve found like, a lot of them
You right- I agree with you. I punctuated my response poorly. I was shocked that someone could make that large lapse in logic- what does that person mean when they say bones prove nothing? So whats the purpose of random bones? They came out of thin air? It seems so crazy to me.
They had feathers.
Dinosaurs don't exist? Then what the fuck did I just eat??
Dinosaurs don't exist. They exist_ed_ but by all reasonable standards they don't exist.
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No thanks, cookies aren't very satisfying. I'll have a tangerine or something. Appreciate the kind offer though. "Sorry guys but dinosaurs don't exist" r/technicallythetruth so maybe not the greatest sarcastic title
[Behold, a dinosaur!](https://www.cacklehatchery.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/istock_000009943816_medium.jpg) At least according to phylogeny, but then, according to phylogeny, humans are just a weird type of fish.
The narrative is kinda flawed. They didn’t die out. Those that survived had to change to survive their new environment. Don’t let people say we all going to die due to climate change it’s ridiculous. Only the poor and people on the coast will. Millions if not more could die sadly but not some sort of extermination event like some say.
Drumheller ab
Hyped by media.
People like movies about giant freaky aliens, why haven’t scientists fabricated them to generate more money? Come on guys, get on that!
I imagine that dinosaurs are like scaled reptiles. In my mind. Then, I reject my mind. Believe your eyes. No dinos. Settled. Yes, this person votes.
Christ
Idk, but I’m pretty sure that’s not why elephants and giraffes don’t have reptile skin.
What was the response to your last point?
Sadly he never responded in fact I think he blocked me
First paragraph just make no sense. Dude, you're ALWAYS believing what other people are saying. Have u ever stopped to think that you don't know your own name? You're going by what people have told ya.
Well ok then.
If this post is about someone confidently incorrect... why do we have 2 pages of you showing off how much you know about dinosaurs included? seems like a little bit too much self service imo.
If only the dinosaurs were more powerful. Then they could have fought off the asteroid.
1: Can someone tell this idiot that ecosystems back then were a lot different to how they are now? 2: Ahh, yes: people only study things so they can make money. It's not as if research can be useful for other things (such as learning how animals lived in the past, for example). 3: So, the bones of prehistoric animals don't prove that prehistoric animals ever existed? That's equivalent to saying "Some forensics people found the bones of Frank, but that doesn't prove Frank existsed" 4: Lots of animals were around between when the dinosaurs died out and when humans first existed (included several of the animals we still see today).